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00:00:00Thank you for watching News Night.
00:00:10Good morning.
00:00:11Let's study the news together with us this week.
00:00:16Our guest this week is O-Rin.
00:00:18Nice to meet you.
00:00:20O-Rin, is there any news that interests you?
00:00:23First of all, I'm interested in the stairs in Michibeishu.
00:00:28I see.
00:00:29Don't you care about the news about the road being blocked?
00:00:33You don't have to say it like that.
00:00:35No, no.
00:00:36The person who really wants to do this news is not in the studio right now.
00:00:41Why?
00:00:42It's Mr. Fujii.
00:00:43He really wants to do this news about the road being blocked.
00:00:46My professor is an expert, so I asked the staff to let him do it.
00:00:49My house is in Kyoto, but I'm going to Tokyo by Shinkansen.
00:00:55You made a mistake.
00:00:57I don't know.
00:00:59I don't know what it means.
00:01:01He said he really wanted to do it.
00:01:03I'm on my way to Nagoya right now.
00:01:07My professor is kind, so I called him in advance.
00:01:13I asked him if he was okay.
00:01:15He gave me a lot of presents.
00:01:18If I made it in time, I'd have him stand up.
00:01:20If I didn't make it in time, my professor would have him stand up.
00:01:23He gave me a lot of opinions.
00:01:30I'm on my way to the studio.
00:01:32I'm going to Saitama and I'm going to do it in person.
00:01:35I'm going to do it in person.
00:01:37I'm going to do it in person.
00:01:39You should take your time and take action at times like this.
00:01:45One of them won't come.
00:01:47One of them has a broken bone.
00:01:49It's going to be hard.
00:01:51I'm doing my best in a hurry.
00:01:53Please look at this.
00:01:55It's 2 a.m. in the middle of the night in Japan.
00:01:59There was a meeting between Japan and the U.S.
00:02:03Mr. Ishiba is laughing.
00:02:05Thank you for your hard work.
00:02:07Did the meeting go well?
00:02:09Let's start with Japan and the U.S.
00:02:14Mr. Ishiba and President Trump's first meeting.
00:02:18What kind of results did they get?
00:02:27Where are the steps that determine the fate of Japan?
00:02:32Speaking of President Trump,
00:02:35Even after he became president, he repeated his extreme remarks and did whatever he wanted to do.
00:02:42Last Saturday, President Trump issued a presidential decree on illegal immigration and the importation of synthetic drugs.
00:02:49He also issued a presidential decree on 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico.
00:02:55Two days later, the Mexican side proposed placing 10,000 national guards on the border with the United States.
00:03:04The Canadian side promised to increase security by about 1.4 billion yen.
00:03:12President Trump was satisfied with these answers and expressed that he would postpone the issuance of tariffs on both countries for a month.
00:03:21On the other hand, China announced this week that it would issue an additional 10% tariff.
00:03:28The Chinese government announced a retaliatory measure against this.
00:03:34President Trump is trying to make negotiations more favorable by using tariffs.
00:03:40What will happen to Japan?
00:03:45In addition, in a joint meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu,
00:03:51President Trump said that the U.S. would own the Gaza Strip.
00:03:56President Trump's actions are unpredictable.
00:04:01Will President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu be able to cross paths?
00:04:09This is a question from West Nakama and O-Rin about this news.
00:04:14Please take a look at the illustration of the laser lamp and the HG painting.
00:04:20What should we do to get along well with President Trump in the future?
00:04:27Will Japan be in favor of President Trump?
00:04:32Please tell us.
00:04:35This is a question from West Nakama and O-Rin.
00:04:40Will Japan be in favor of President Trump in the future?
00:04:45This is a question from West Nakama and O-Rin.
00:04:50Will Japan be in favor of President Trump in the future?
00:04:55Please tell us.
00:04:58This is a question from West Nakama and O-Rin.
00:05:03Will Japan be in favor of President Trump in the future?
00:05:08This is a question from West Nakama and O-Rin.
00:05:13Will Japan be in favor of President Trump in the future?
00:05:18This is a question from West Nakama and O-Rin.
00:05:23This is a question from West Nakama and O-Rin.
00:05:28Please tell us.
00:05:31This is a question from West Nakama and O-Rin.
00:05:36Will Japan be in favor of President Trump in the future?
00:05:41This is a question from West Nakama and O-Rin.
00:05:46The foreign minister himself has met with the United States through trade negotiations and intelligence cooperation.
00:05:52This is Yamagami Shingo, a foreign affairs commentator.
00:05:54Thank you for having me.
00:05:56This is Aoyama Kazuhiro, a political journalist who is well-versed in the Japanese TV commentator Nagata-cho and is good at easy-to-understand and polite commentary.
00:06:03Thank you for having me.
00:06:05Now, let's move on.
00:06:06Yamagami-sensei, how do you feel about the Japan-U.S. trade talks?
00:06:09I don't want to offend anyone.
00:06:11I want to ask for Trump's consideration and the script.
00:06:15Now, let's move on to Aoyama-sensei.
00:06:18We were able to achieve our initial goal with Prime Minister Abe's legacy.
00:06:22Yes, I understand.
00:06:24Mr. Ryo and everyone else, we have a lot of questions for you.
00:06:31The Japan-U.S. trade talks were just held.
00:06:37First, please look at this.
00:06:40Let's see what happened.
00:06:42There are three photos.
00:06:44There is a photo of you shaking hands.
00:06:47Yamagami-sensei, you were on the stairs in Nishi-besshu.
00:06:51First of all, there must have been something you were curious about.
00:06:55First of all, this smile.
00:06:58Yes.
00:06:59And this expression.
00:07:02The expression of raising his chin.
00:07:03Yes.
00:07:04And there is another photo.
00:07:05Please take a look at this photo.
00:07:08This is it.
00:07:10This is when you were trying to get off the truck at the Washington-Andrus Air Base.
00:07:20Your left hand.
00:07:22Why do you put your hand in your coat pocket at a time like this?
00:07:29I've been in foreign affairs for 40 years.
00:07:32I've seen a lot of prime ministers, but this is the first time.
00:07:37Is that so?
00:07:39It's impossible.
00:07:40When you go up here, you have to stand properly because there are photos and cameras.
00:07:45You know they're watching you.
00:07:47The moment you get off the truck, they're watching you the most.
00:07:50Oh, you're here.
00:07:51Under this truck, the Americans are waiting in line.
00:07:56I thought I didn't have to say that much, but now that I've heard it, I see.
00:08:01There are a lot of people, so what about your pocket?
00:08:06It's polite, isn't it?
00:08:08That's why I'm sitting down and shaking hands.
00:08:11Mr. Ishiba said it's a hassle to stand up every day.
00:08:14But as a courtesy, I don't know if that's the case.
00:08:17In short, it's a common practice.
00:08:21I'm sorry, but I'm going to open it now.
00:08:24Please stand properly without grabbing your pocket or hand.
00:08:26It's rude to say that now, and you can't say it, right?
00:08:29Can you say that to an elderly person in their late 60s?
00:08:33It's not going to get better, is it?
00:08:35It's not going to get better, but there's a picture like this.
00:08:40It's dangerous.
00:08:42It's like Mr. Takahashi.
00:08:45You can't put your hand in your pocket.
00:08:48You can't.
00:08:50Please return the monitor.
00:08:53Mr. Ishiba, there was a moment when you tried to laugh at the joint press conference.
00:08:57What do you mean?
00:08:59The media said, if the United States imposed tariffs, would it impose retaliatory tariffs?
00:09:04Mr. Ishiba, the answer to the question of the family is that it is not.
00:09:09That's the standard Japanese answer to the Diet.
00:09:12Everyone laughed.
00:09:14Trump also gave a very good answer.
00:09:18What do you mean by that?
00:09:20A little joke and a laugh.
00:09:23Well, that's about it.
00:09:26Don't say that.
00:09:28Tomoko, what do you think?
00:09:30It's like a standard answer.
00:09:34No, the audience laughed at me.
00:09:38I see.
00:09:39Mr. Aoyama, what do you think?
00:09:41This time, it was a strategy from the beginning not to discuss tariffs or economic issues.
00:09:47If you start talking here, Trump will say,
00:09:50If you start talking here, Trump will say,
00:09:53Mr. Ishiba's answer was based on a strategy to end the conversation in a friendly manner.
00:09:59Please look at what was discussed in the meeting.
00:10:03First, a $1 trillion investment in the United States.
00:10:08In the form of mutual profit.
00:10:11As Mr. Aoyama said, it's not specific, it's rough.
00:10:17In other words, let's cooperate.
00:10:20In other words, increasing the $1 trillion investment in the United States to $1 trillion.
00:10:24This is not a discussion, it's a good story.
00:10:27I'm going to bring that up, but I'm not going to talk about tariffs.
00:10:31The purpose of this meeting was to avoid arguments.
00:10:35Mr. Aoyama, what do you think?
00:10:38In short, it's not good to make Trump angry.
00:10:43He's saying, let's make him sad, let's make him sad.
00:10:48So what did Japan gain?
00:10:51In the first place, it's not about mutual profit.
00:10:56It's a complete withdrawal from Japanese products.
00:10:59I have to say it's not a joke.
00:11:03I feel like this is a real surprise.
00:11:07U.S. Steel is not a buyout, but an investment.
00:11:11The Japanese government should have sent out such a message a long time ago.
00:11:14However, what this person has been saying for a long time is that it is a matter of companies and companies.
00:11:19He didn't try to help Japan Steel.
00:11:22It's a little late for an investment now.
00:11:27This is a bit of a forward-looking investment for each other.
00:11:36As for Trump, he's already on his knees.
00:11:40It's a story about how to pull out what the Japanese government and Japan Steel can pull out.
00:11:48If the Japanese government had helped Japan Steel in advance,
00:11:53It's a story that has not been repainted.
00:11:59As a person who has been doing security insurance for a long time,
00:12:04This is also a story about increasing defense costs, anti-China, and election.
00:12:14What's new?
00:12:18It's a completely ordinary story.
00:12:21It's been like this since Obama.
00:12:24It's not about checking every time.
00:12:27I have to make it clear to the United States that election is Japanese.
00:12:32I haven't been able to do that.
00:12:35So, in that sense, I'm focusing on the law.
00:12:39I'm trying not to give the impression that the stairs are broken.
00:12:45Mr. Takahashi, you talked about the Japanese-American Stairs this time.
00:12:50What do you think?
00:12:52I was interested in the time.
00:12:55Which one to do.
00:12:57If you look at it, it's 30 minutes on the stairs.
00:13:00After that, it's a working lunch.
00:13:02Working lunch is just eating.
00:13:0430 minutes on the stairs is very short.
00:13:07You can translate in 30 minutes, right?
00:13:09It's 15 minutes.
00:13:11That's a lot.
00:13:12That's what happens when you just read it.
00:13:14It's been that long since this show started.
00:13:16That's right.
00:13:18It's over.
00:13:19That's how long it's been.
00:13:21As Mr. Aoyama said, it's a strategy that doesn't do anything.
00:13:24In short, that's what happens.
00:13:26As you said, it's over with the usual rush.
00:13:31That's why Japan was good.
00:13:33That's right.
00:13:34That's why the joint life is the first thing that the agency puts together.
00:13:37But I'm going to meet you with this.
00:13:39Don't talk about it in detail.
00:13:41All you have to do is make sure that you're doing what you've been doing.
00:13:45If you make sure that you're doing what you've been doing, you've achieved your original goal.
00:13:48It was a step in the right direction from the beginning.
00:13:51It's just that something uncertain didn't happen.
00:13:55It's a short time, but it's the right thing to do.
00:13:57But I don't want to say anything bad.
00:13:59Mr. Ichiba changed his glasses a little bit.
00:14:05And when I saw it, the coat was a good coat.
00:14:08And the suit was a good suit.
00:14:12So I thought this was a learning effect.
00:14:15I see.
00:14:16You were wearing clothes that would suit your position.
00:14:21I didn't know you were that stupid.
00:14:23It was amazing in the morning.
00:14:26I went to other international conferences in a great suit.
00:14:29I thought it was terrible to go in that suit.
00:14:32I think it would have been nice if you had seen it.
00:14:35Tomoko, I'm sure a lot of people are watching.
00:14:38I think it's important to dress properly.
00:14:41I think it's absolutely important.
00:14:42When I look at it, I think,
00:14:43Was it easy to put the coat in?
00:14:45Did you put it in a good position?
00:14:47It's a good coat.
00:14:49How about you, Mr. Hongo?
00:14:50I thought this program was a really good program.
00:14:53I was praised a lot by a station near Osaka Castle.
00:15:01Mr. Ichiba.
00:15:02What are you talking about?
00:15:03This is what Trump said.
00:15:07So I made the time short.
00:15:09As Mr. Aoyama said,
00:15:11I tried to end it so that I wouldn't say anything weird.
00:15:15In the end, Japan is an ATM.
00:15:18That's what I'm saying.
00:15:19I see.
00:15:20We're going to do it properly.
00:15:23And then there's Senkaku.
00:15:25Mr. Rubio said,
00:15:26This is the Japanese dormitory.
00:15:28He said that.
00:15:29He said that.
00:15:30This is the Japanese dormitory.
00:15:32If you're a Taiwanese friend,
00:15:34I don't know why the experts don't know that you're coming out.
00:15:39I see.
00:15:40It was all over the place.
00:15:42I'm glad you wrote that.
00:15:44The old man and the old woman were all over the place.
00:15:47Good evening.
00:15:48What kind of program is it if the old man and the old woman are all over the place near Osaka Castle?
00:15:53That's what I'm talking about.
00:15:55It's a story about not doing anything.
00:15:57How about you, O-Rin?
00:15:59I was listening to the teachers.
00:16:01I was watching the program at the same time as Mr. Hong Kong.
00:16:06The words I heard from the program and the words Mr. Hong Kong said here were completely different.
00:16:15I think I was able to hear the real Japanese-American conversation.
00:16:25Mr. Hong Kong, please stop.
00:16:31But there's something to worry about.
00:16:33Please take a look at this.
00:16:35It's full of worries.
00:16:37First, the attitude of running away.
00:16:39You mentioned it earlier.
00:16:40What's the attitude of running away?
00:16:42Mr. Trump said,
00:16:44If Japan wants it, we'll do it.
00:16:47However, the Japanese side decided that they couldn't get enough results before they took office.
00:16:53Until the political position is correct, nothing will fit.
00:16:57You mean we should be more prepared, right?
00:17:02It says political position and character.
00:17:07I'd like to explain the bad compatibility.
00:17:10Please do.
00:17:11From Mr. Trump's point of view,
00:17:14Mr. Trump is a conservative politician.
00:17:17He likes to look strong.
00:17:20From his point of view,
00:17:22he's a conservative.
00:17:25Mr. Ishiba?
00:17:26He's a weak liberal.
00:17:27That's why he's seen as weak.
00:17:29And Mr. Trump is a stylist.
00:17:31He's not like Mr. Ishiba.
00:17:33He's probably wearing a high suit.
00:17:35He's got a wife who looks like a Barbie doll.
00:17:40I don't know if that's a good thing or not.
00:17:43He doesn't have the ability to make you say that.
00:17:46From Mr. Trump's point of view,
00:17:48Mr. Ishiba is dark and lame.
00:17:50Third, he runs away.
00:17:52He'll run away if he has to.
00:17:53Trump is going to confront him.
00:17:55So even if you think about it like this,
00:17:57it's not going to fit.
00:17:58But this time,
00:18:01Mr. Trump was told by the staff,
00:18:04but I don't know if the Japanese president,
00:18:06Mr. Ishiba, thought he was a good person.
00:18:12I don't think Trump's eyes are that bad.
00:18:15Trump is going to use what Mr. Ishiba can use.
00:18:18I'm sure this administration is short-sighted.
00:18:21So while I'm here,
00:18:23I'm going to make him do what I want him to do.
00:18:25Mr. Trump himself has been in the game for two years,
00:18:28so let's do it.
00:18:29If he can't keep up with me,
00:18:30I'll kick him out.
00:18:33Second, his ad-libs are weak.
00:18:35According to Mr. Aoyama's interview,
00:18:37he was holding a countermeasure meeting
00:18:39between the ministers in each direction
00:18:41and President Trump.
00:18:42Director Hayashi, Foreign Minister Iwaya.
00:18:45Mr. Ishiba was planning to hold a press conference
00:18:47alone after the inauguration,
00:18:49but he accepted the joint press conference
00:18:51based on the U.S. position.
00:18:53He accepted the joint press conference
00:18:55because he was going to do it alone.
00:18:57According to Mr. Aoyama,
00:18:58it is still scary to create a script in advance
00:19:01Mr. Ishiba said something unpredictable about Mr. Trump,
00:19:05but he was planning to hold a press conference
00:19:07alone after the inauguration.
00:19:08At first, he was going to quit the joint press conference,
00:19:11but he wanted to avoid the lack of it.
00:19:13If you're standing in line together,
00:19:14you might have to answer
00:19:16what Mr. Trump is saying next to you.
00:19:18But he said,
00:19:19it would be strange not to do it
00:19:21after the inauguration,
00:19:23so he said,
00:19:24you can do it from Mr. Trump's side,
00:19:26and Mr. Ishiba accepted it.
00:19:28But what I found out at this press conference
00:19:30is that, as I wrote,
00:19:32Mr. Abe's legacy
00:19:34and the fact that we have to get along
00:19:36with the Prime Minister of Japan
00:19:38are still in Mr. Trump's memory.
00:19:40So this time, Mr. Ishiba was very careful
00:19:42about Mr. Trump.
00:19:44That's why he didn't say anything wrong
00:19:46and nothing strange happened.
00:19:48So, Mr. Ishiba,
00:19:50you have a legacy,
00:19:52so you increased the defense budget,
00:19:54and on top of that,
00:19:56whether you can improve it further,
00:19:58you said you'd do it together
00:20:00with the development of Alaska's LPG,
00:20:02and you said you'd invest
00:20:04100 billion yen,
00:20:06so people are asking
00:20:08if you can do it.
00:20:10But I think the start was good.
00:20:12I see.
00:20:14So you didn't dash to start,
00:20:16but you were able to start properly, right?
00:20:18That's right.
00:20:20You didn't dash, but you started.
00:20:22You didn't dash, but you started.
00:20:24You didn't dash, but you started.
00:20:26I respect Japan.
00:20:28I like Japan.
00:20:30It's not Mr. Ishiba.
00:20:32It's Japan.
00:20:34That's why I was able to meet
00:20:36Mr. Ishiba for the second time
00:20:38because of Japan.
00:20:40I want the Prime Minister to feel that way.
00:20:42I want him to feel that way.
00:20:44I don't want him to say,
00:20:46I'm glad I'm here.
00:20:48What about you, Mr. Yamada?
00:20:50I've been watching all of it since this morning.
00:20:52I've been watching all of it,
00:20:54and I've seen Mr. Ishiba's comments,
00:20:56but when he came out,
00:20:58his heart was out.
00:21:00His heart said,
00:21:02Ishiba is a good guy.
00:21:04That's all.
00:21:06He said,
00:21:08Shigeru Ishiba is something.
00:21:10There was a comment at the end.
00:21:12What comment?
00:21:14I forgot.
00:21:16I'm sorry.
00:21:18More than that,
00:21:20Mr. Trump commented
00:21:22that Mr. Ishiba will be a good guy.
00:21:24That means
00:21:26he hasn't evaluated it yet.
00:21:28From now on,
00:21:30Mr. Ishiba will be the Prime Minister.
00:21:32As I said earlier,
00:21:34Mr. Abe has an opinion,
00:21:36so Mr. Abe said he was a good guy.
00:21:38I've read a lot of books and articles
00:21:40about what Mr. Ishiba has done,
00:21:42but he said
00:21:44it would get better from now on,
00:21:46so I don't think he's evaluated it at all now.
00:21:48He hasn't evaluated it now,
00:21:50so I don't think Mr. Ishiba will be a good guy.
00:21:52I see.
00:21:54Let's take a look at
00:21:56what Mr. Trump said.
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00:31:10What do you think of this?
00:31:12Do you think China is in a hurry?
00:31:14The export from China to the U.S.
00:31:16is 3% of the GDP.
00:31:18If they do it,
00:31:20they'll be killed.
00:31:22Now, China's consumption is bad,
00:31:24so is its investment.
00:31:26If the export is bad,
00:31:28it'll be tough.
00:31:30Speaking of the WTO,
00:31:32it's true that it's against the rules,
00:31:34but the WTO itself isn't functioning.
00:31:36That's why Trump is using it now.
00:31:38He's pretty good at it.
00:31:40The president of the U.S.
00:31:42is trying to solve
00:31:44problems with the U.S.
00:31:46in various countries.
00:31:48He's trying to solve
00:31:50various problems
00:31:52by using the WTO.
00:31:54What do you think of that?
00:31:56There are a lot of people
00:31:58who used the WTO in the past.
00:32:00Speaking of the WTO,
00:32:02it's a story about
00:32:04the U.S.
00:32:06The U.S.
00:32:08doesn't lend money to the U.S.
00:32:10but the U.S.
00:32:12spends a lot of money
00:32:14on imported goods.
00:32:16So it's true that
00:32:18the WTO is used
00:32:20in negotiations.
00:32:22But the U.S.
00:32:24is more likely to be killed
00:32:26than China.
00:32:28China is more likely to be killed
00:32:30than the U.S.
00:32:32Since Trump took office,
00:32:34he's been using the WTO.
00:32:36That's what I think.
00:32:38He's been attacking the stock market.
00:32:40I think it's because it's not a toy.
00:32:42But Trump's way of doing things
00:32:44is making people nervous.
00:32:46It's true that he's creating
00:32:48a world where people
00:32:50will listen to him.
00:32:52Trump's way of creating things
00:32:54is what you see in movies.
00:32:56There are only three principles.
00:32:58One is attack, attack, attack.
00:33:00The second is
00:33:02never admit defeat.
00:33:04And the third is
00:33:06never admit defeat even if you lose.
00:33:08It's very easy to understand.
00:33:10A strong president
00:33:12is a strong president.
00:33:14But the question is
00:33:16whether the president of the U.S.
00:33:18is a good person.
00:33:20That's where Japan
00:33:22has to give advice.
00:33:24If you do something like this,
00:33:26you'll be questioned
00:33:28by the world leadership.
00:33:30That's why
00:33:32I don't want Japan
00:33:34to keep saying
00:33:36yes, yes, I understand.
00:33:38I don't want it to be like that.
00:33:40I want Trump to say,
00:33:42I can't do this,
00:33:44I can't do that.
00:33:46I want him to tell me
00:33:48what he thinks.
00:33:50Mr. Hongo, what do you think?
00:33:52If you turn Trump into an enemy,
00:33:54it's a loss.
00:33:56That's why Mr. Abe
00:33:58should play golf.
00:34:00If he laughs so hard,
00:34:02I think it's easier to play golf.
00:34:04If he plays golf,
00:34:06it's definitely easier to play golf.
00:34:08He should make a good deal.
00:34:10He should listen to both sides.
00:34:12That's right.
00:34:14He should listen to both sides.
00:34:16He should make a good deal.
00:34:18He should make a good deal.
00:34:20That's what Mr. Hongo said.
00:34:22The second, third, and fourth times,
00:34:24I want Japan to gradually
00:34:26become a place where
00:34:28both sides can make a good deal.
00:34:30Thank you very much, Mr. Ryo.
00:34:32Mr. Fujii is not here yet.
00:34:34Let's move on to
00:34:36the AI war in the United States.
00:34:38China's leading company
00:34:40DeepSea has developed
00:34:42a new generation of AI
00:34:44and is calling on the world
00:34:46to limit its use.
00:34:48On January 20,
00:34:50the inauguration ceremony
00:34:52of President Trump was held.
00:34:54An uproar broke out
00:34:56in the cutting-edge semiconductor
00:34:58industry of AI.
00:35:00DeepSea,
00:35:02an unknown Chinese leading company,
00:35:04released a new generation of AI.
00:35:06Despite its low cost,
00:35:08it has the performance
00:35:10that is comparable
00:35:12to the chat GPT
00:35:14of the American open AI company.
00:35:16It has been popularized
00:35:18as an AI with
00:35:20comparable performance
00:35:22to the chat GPT.
00:35:24It took only two months
00:35:26to develop it.
00:35:28The development cost
00:35:30is said to be
00:35:32up to 12.1 billion yen,
00:35:34but the chat GPT
00:35:36is only worth
00:35:38900 million yen,
00:35:40so personal use is free.
00:35:42Not only in China,
00:35:44but also in Japan,
00:35:46DeepSea is ranked
00:35:48No. 1 in the world.
00:35:50This is reflected
00:35:52in the New York stock market.
00:35:54Concerns of reducing
00:35:56the demand for cutting-edge
00:35:58semiconductors spread,
00:36:00and the stock price
00:36:02of NVIDIA,
00:36:04the leading semiconductor
00:36:06in the United States,
00:36:08fell by 18%.
00:36:10In one day,
00:36:12President Trump announced
00:36:14that he would invest
00:36:16about 7.8 trillion yen
00:36:18in semiconductor maintenance.
00:36:20He said that
00:36:22we need to concentrate
00:36:24to win the competition.
00:36:26On the other hand,
00:36:28David Sacks,
00:36:30the AI person in charge
00:36:32of the White House,
00:36:34said that DeepSea
00:36:36is a proof
00:36:38of the technology
00:36:41OpenAI is cooperating
00:36:43with the government
00:36:45and Microsoft to conduct
00:36:47research.
00:36:49In addition,
00:36:51Japan, Taiwan, Korea,
00:36:53Australia, and other countries
00:36:55have announced
00:36:57the use and ban of DeepSea
00:36:59around the world.
00:37:01On the other hand,
00:37:03the Japanese government
00:37:05continues to call
00:37:07attention to each government.
00:37:09This is a war between
00:37:11Japan and Japan.
00:37:13Tomoko Unabara
00:37:15and Mr. Hong Kong
00:37:17have a question.
00:37:21Will there be
00:37:23more of these
00:37:25coming out of China?
00:37:27Can't Japan
00:37:29make its own
00:37:31AI?
00:37:33Can we trust
00:37:35China's AI?
00:37:37Is there a risk
00:37:39of information being leaked?
00:37:41Please tell us.
00:37:43Well, Tomoko,
00:37:45honestly,
00:37:47can't you make
00:37:49a made-in-Japan
00:37:51AI?
00:37:53Because there are
00:37:55many smart people
00:37:57in China.
00:37:59I think there will be
00:38:01more and more of them
00:38:03in the future.
00:38:05I wonder what will happen.
00:38:07Do you think Japan
00:38:09has the ability to
00:38:11get in there?
00:38:13I want Japan to make
00:38:15its own AI.
00:38:17Mr. Hong Kong,
00:38:19can we trust China's AI?
00:38:21Is there a risk
00:38:23of information being leaked?
00:38:25I'm afraid
00:38:27that it will be leaked.
00:38:29I think it's the same
00:38:31in the US.
00:38:33It's easy
00:38:35to get in there,
00:38:37but I'm afraid
00:38:39that there are
00:38:41a lot of American people
00:38:43in there.
00:38:45I see.
00:38:47Let's ask
00:38:49Mr. Toshihiro Yamada,
00:38:51an international journalist
00:38:53who specializes in cyber security
00:38:55and IT.
00:38:57Mr. Yamada,
00:38:59what do you think?
00:39:01DeepSeek is full of
00:39:03information.
00:39:05We should not use it yet.
00:39:07I see.
00:39:09We should not use it yet.
00:39:11Let's ask Mr. Yamada.
00:39:15We are broadcasting live
00:39:17on Seisei AI.
00:39:19DeepSeek is a hot topic.
00:39:21Have you ever heard of
00:39:23DeepSeek?
00:39:25Yes, I've heard of it,
00:39:27but I'm scared.
00:39:29Due to DeepSeek's influence,
00:39:31American companies have fallen.
00:39:33On the 20th of last month,
00:39:35DeepSeek announced
00:39:37the Seisei AI DeepSeek
00:39:39R1 model.
00:39:41Toshikawa,
00:39:43the era of American influence is over.
00:39:45On the 27th of last month,
00:39:47NVIDIA, the leading semiconductor company
00:39:49fell.
00:39:51NVIDIA is the leading
00:39:53semiconductor company, right?
00:39:55Yes, NVIDIA makes most of
00:39:57their products.
00:39:59They lost 92 trillion yen.
00:40:01That's a lot of money.
00:40:03Let's talk about
00:40:05DeepSeek.
00:40:07It was developed
00:40:09for 9 billion yen.
00:40:11By the way,
00:40:13how much is ChatGPT?
00:40:15ChatGPT is
00:40:17hard to say,
00:40:19but it's about
00:40:21120 billion yen or
00:40:231 billion yen.
00:40:25DeepSeek was
00:40:27developed for 9 billion yen.
00:40:29It's one-tenth of
00:40:31OpenAI.
00:40:33It's comparable to the latest
00:40:35model of American OpenAI.
00:40:37It's high-performance,
00:40:39but it's free.
00:40:41OpenAI is paid, right?
00:40:43ChatGPT is paid.
00:40:45DeepSeek is about performance.
00:40:47It's a model of thinking
00:40:49that selects the best logic
00:40:51and answers,
00:40:53so that human education
00:40:55can be minimized.
00:40:57What's the performance like?
00:40:59The performance was
00:41:01surprising,
00:41:03so it was shocking.
00:41:05ChatGPT is said to be
00:41:07the best model
00:41:09with 1 billion yen
00:41:11or 1 billion yen.
00:41:13If it can be done
00:41:15without spending
00:41:17a lot of money,
00:41:19I think it's groundbreaking.
00:41:21In the future,
00:41:23if we don't have
00:41:25AI,
00:41:27we won't be able
00:41:29to win the election.
00:41:31It was announced on January 20.
00:41:33It's been developed since last year.
00:41:35Do you remember?
00:41:37It was the day President Trump
00:41:39took office.
00:41:41President Trump has been
00:41:43talking about strengthening AI.
00:41:45On January 20,
00:41:47the Chinese Communist Party
00:41:49chose DeepSeek
00:41:51and announced it.
00:41:53It was a big hit.
00:41:55I saw on the news
00:41:57that DeepSeek
00:41:59is a young elite group.
00:42:01Yes, that's right.
00:42:03I don't know if it's true
00:42:05or if it's a bit far-fetched.
00:42:07I'll look into it in detail later.
00:42:09It was said that
00:42:11the students made it.
00:42:13It came out like that,
00:42:15but it's like this.
00:42:17There is a possibility that
00:42:19American AI development
00:42:21will have an advantage.
00:42:23However, DeepSeek has
00:42:25various suspicions,
00:42:27such as conspiracy theories
00:42:29and illegality.
00:42:31There are many suspicions.
00:42:33First of all,
00:42:35there is evidence that
00:42:37DeepSeek has improved
00:42:39technology from open AI.
00:42:41What does it mean?
00:42:43For example,
00:42:45DeepSeek generates steam
00:42:47and returns it back to water.
00:42:49The steam in the AI
00:42:51is originally a big,
00:42:53excellent model.
00:42:55It asks a lot of questions
00:42:57and answers a lot.
00:42:59It's like steam.
00:43:01DeepSeek creates it
00:43:03as its own AI and answers it.
00:43:05It asks a lot of questions
00:43:07to open AI,
00:43:09receives answers,
00:43:11and brings the data
00:43:13to open AI.
00:43:15They have this evidence.
00:43:17The reason is that
00:43:19DeepSeek uses
00:43:21the technology of
00:43:23ChatGPT and Meta,
00:43:25which is an AI company
00:43:27called Lama,
00:43:29to get answers.
00:43:31The operating side
00:43:33is obviously watching
00:43:35how DeepSeek is using it.
00:43:37The president of ChatGPT
00:43:39who uses DeepSeek
00:43:41is clearly saying that
00:43:43there is evidence
00:43:45that they are using
00:43:47the technology of
00:43:49ChatGPT and Meta
00:43:51to create their own AI.
00:43:53That is out of the world
00:43:55as a rule.
00:43:57On top of that,
00:43:59it is written clearly
00:44:01that you should not
00:44:03steal information
00:44:05from us
00:44:07and create a new AI.
00:44:09According to a report by ABC TV,
00:44:11DeepSeek's AI
00:44:13has a function to send
00:44:15users' data to the Chinese government.
00:44:17If users' data
00:44:19is used,
00:44:21will it be taken to the Chinese government?
00:44:23If you want to use DeepSeek,
00:44:25you can download the app on your smartphone
00:44:27or access the DeepSeek website
00:44:29on your computer
00:44:31and use it there.
00:44:33Then,
00:44:35the server itself
00:44:37is in China.
00:44:39If you read the terms of use
00:44:41of DeepSeek,
00:44:43it is clearly written
00:44:45that it is being used
00:44:47under the jurisdiction
00:44:49of the People's Republic of China.
00:44:51Mr. Hongo,
00:44:53we are on China's side,
00:44:55but under the Chinese law,
00:44:57if the Chinese Communist Party
00:44:59needs information,
00:45:01you can't deny it
00:45:03if you say,
00:45:05This is exactly what happened.
00:45:07If you ask the Chinese government,
00:45:09they will say,
00:45:11it is under the jurisdiction
00:45:13of the People's Republic of China.
00:45:15No, no, no.
00:45:17It is already reported.
00:45:19If you take all this information
00:45:21and go to the Chinese government,
00:45:23it is a country
00:45:25that ignores international law.
00:45:27Even if you file a lawsuit,
00:45:29it will be impossible.
00:45:31That's right.
00:45:33But the U.S.
00:45:35will do economic sanctions.
00:45:37If they do that,
00:45:39for example,
00:45:41if Japanese companies
00:45:43are involved in DeepSeek,
00:45:45if the U.S. does economic sanctions,
00:45:47all American businesses
00:45:49will be unable to operate.
00:45:51Japanese companies
00:45:53will be unable to
00:45:55cooperate with the U.S.
00:45:57because they are
00:45:59involved in the U.S.
00:46:01What do you think about this?
00:46:03When developing software,
00:46:05we often use the technology
00:46:07called upstream.
00:46:09We often use it,
00:46:11so we have a contract.
00:46:13But when developing software,
00:46:15especially AI,
00:46:17we use it a lot.
00:46:19If we do this,
00:46:21of course,
00:46:23it will be the same performance
00:46:25and it will be very cheap.
00:46:27Of course.
00:46:29All Chinese software
00:46:31will be the same.
00:46:33It's not a lie.
00:46:35If it's Chinese software,
00:46:37there is no way
00:46:39it won't leak information.
00:46:41For example,
00:46:43registration information,
00:46:45phone numbers,
00:46:47addresses, e-mails,
00:46:49everything.
00:46:51It's all written there.
00:46:53It's all written there.
00:46:55It's all written there.
00:46:57In addition,
00:46:59we ask questions
00:47:01and answer questions.
00:47:03We ask questions
00:47:05and companies make new products.
00:47:07We ask AI
00:47:09to teach us
00:47:11a different way.
00:47:13We ask AI to teach us
00:47:15a different way.
00:47:17We ask AI to teach us
00:47:19a different way.
00:47:21We send information.
00:47:23We send information.
00:47:25Performance analysis.
00:47:27Take a look at this.
00:47:29NVIDIA's top-of-the-line chip,
00:47:31H100.
00:47:33This alone costs 6 million yen.
00:47:35Can you explain
00:47:37what a top-of-the-line chip is?
00:47:39It's called a GPU.
00:47:41To make an AI,
00:47:43you need a lot of power
00:47:45and calculation.
00:47:47It was originally a graphics chip
00:47:49that processed images.
00:47:51We put it into an AI
00:47:53and developed it.
00:47:55That's how much it costs.
00:47:57It costs 6 million yen.
00:47:59The GPU
00:48:01used by NVIDIA
00:48:03is the top-of-the-line chip,
00:48:05GPT-5.
00:48:07It uses about 35,000 chips.
00:48:09It uses about 35,000 chips.
00:48:11That's how much it costs.
00:48:13I think there are more.
00:48:15I think there are more.
00:48:17That's why it costs a lot of money
00:48:19and requires a lot of power.
00:48:21The CPU is an H800,
00:48:23which is lower-end.
00:48:25It's lower-end than the H100.
00:48:27It's about half the price.
00:48:29It's about half the price.
00:48:31It uses about half the data transfer speed.
00:48:33It uses about 2,000 chips.
00:48:35It uses about 2,000 chips.
00:48:37The top-of-the-line chip
00:48:39uses 35,000 chips.
00:48:41The lower-end chip uses 2,000 chips.
00:48:43What's the performance like?
00:48:45It's a lie.
00:48:47It's a lie.
00:48:49I heard this from someone
00:48:51who was in charge of IT
00:48:53at a British information agency
00:48:55right after this was released.
00:48:57From last summer to the end of the year,
00:48:59various information agencies
00:49:01such as MI6 and CIA
00:49:03have acquired this system
00:49:05and thoroughly investigated
00:49:07the company.
00:49:09What we know is that
00:49:11the top-of-the-line chip H100
00:49:13alone uses 10,000 chips.
00:49:15The lower-end chip H800
00:49:17and the other half-of-the-chain chip
00:49:19that's a little lower
00:49:21uses about 30,000 chips.
00:49:23All of them use at least 50,000 chips.
00:49:25They know this.
00:49:27David Sacks also has that information.
00:49:29He's confident.
00:49:31He's lying.
00:49:33He's saying it's a lie.
00:49:35It's a lie.
00:49:37It's up and running.
00:49:39It depends on how much data set
00:49:41you have.
00:49:43If you have it perfectly,
00:49:45you can get the most up-to-date answer
00:49:47depending on how much
00:49:49you have outside.
00:49:51If you have that kind of data set,
00:49:53it's easy.
00:49:55You can definitely do it
00:49:57at a low level.
00:49:59It's a completely different question.
00:50:01If you ask me a question
00:50:03that I've never asked before,
00:50:05DeepSeeker would be useless.
00:50:07I think it's at that level.
00:50:09DeepSeeker's calculations
00:50:11are slow.
00:50:13That's what I've been doing.
00:50:15Calculations are different every time.
00:50:17That's what it is.
00:50:19If you know the answer,
00:50:21you'll get the answer right away.
00:50:23That's what I'm talking about.
00:50:25That's probably
00:50:27at a level where
00:50:29if you give a completely different answer,
00:50:31it won't be useful.
00:50:33I'm not good at math.
00:50:35On my YouTube channel,
00:50:37I always have a confrontation
00:50:39between ChatGDP and Takahashi Yoichi.
00:50:41I don't lose,
00:50:43though.
00:50:45What are you talking about?
00:50:47ChatGDP, DeepSeeker,
00:50:49Takahashi Yoichi.
00:50:51What are you talking about?
00:50:53Let's do it with DeepSeeker next time.
00:50:55Let's do it.
00:50:57In the case of DeepSeeker,
00:50:59it's called a thinking model.
00:51:01In the case of ChatGDP,
00:51:03if you say 1 plus 1 is 2,
00:51:05the answer comes back.
00:51:07In the case of DeepSeeker,
00:51:09if you say 1 plus 1 is this,
00:51:11the answer comes back.
00:51:13In short,
00:51:15you don't have to give a straight answer.
00:51:17It's a thinking model.
00:51:19You guide the answer yourself.
00:51:21Please look at Mr. Yamada's view.
00:51:25The first reason
00:51:27why you shouldn't download
00:51:29DeepSeeker now is
00:51:31to ensure the safety of data.
00:51:33It is possible that the data entered
00:51:35may be leaked to the Chinese government
00:51:37so companies need to be especially careful.
00:51:39The second reason is that
00:51:41the Chinese government's censorship and
00:51:43unauthorized operations
00:51:45and DeepSeeker's answers
00:51:47may be unauthorized by the Chinese government,
00:51:49so unauthorized answers
00:51:51may be leaked to the Chinese government.
00:51:53The Japanese government is
00:51:55warning the government
00:51:57about the use of DeepSeeker,
00:51:59right?
00:52:01Yes, it is.
00:52:03And the most worrisome thing
00:52:05is that the Chinese government
00:52:07thinks it is right.
00:52:09If you believe it,
00:52:11you may remember the wrong information.
00:52:13If DeepSeeker is used in the world,
00:52:15the Chinese government's views
00:52:17will be spread all over the world.
00:52:19Yes, it will become a fact.
00:52:21If you ask DeepSeeker
00:52:23which country's territory
00:52:25Senkakusho Island is,
00:52:27the answer is
00:52:29Senkakusho Island is
00:52:31the territory of China
00:52:33and legally it is the territory of China.
00:52:35The Chinese government has
00:52:37a clear right to this territory
00:52:39and the territory of any country
00:52:41cannot be accepted.
00:52:43For example,
00:52:45I'm sorry to ask
00:52:47what happened in Tiananmen
00:52:49in 1989,
00:52:51but I don't know
00:52:53how to respond to this question.
00:52:55Instead, let's talk about math,
00:52:57coding and logic.
00:52:59That's right.
00:53:01When I ask a question about
00:53:03Pooh the bear,
00:53:05Mr. Shukinbei says
00:53:07it is similar to Pooh the bear.
00:53:09I can answer a little bit,
00:53:11but the answer changes
00:53:13and I can't answer this question.
00:53:15Do you make a joke?
00:53:17Yes, I make a joke.
00:53:19Pooh the bear is
00:53:21Disney's Walt Disney.
00:53:23No, no, no.
00:53:25That's right.
00:53:27He is a thinking type.
00:53:29In my opinion,
00:53:31it's better to
00:53:33make a joke
00:53:35than to pay for it.
00:53:37I think there are people
00:53:39who make a joke
00:53:41on TV.
00:53:43I think it's okay
00:53:45to make a joke.
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01:02:23In addition, there are 2,600 road blockages caused by the monsoon that occurred in the 4th year of the Reiwa era.
01:02:30It's not in the news, but there are a lot of them.
01:02:32There are a lot.
01:02:33At the moment, 50% of Osaka is already over 50 years old.
01:02:40Yes.
01:02:41Does that mean that Osaka is not strange no matter where it occurs?
01:02:47That's right. It's probably true that the monsoon occurred this time, but it's a little bent.
01:02:55It's true that there was a hole in the bent part of the road.
01:03:02But if you think about why that is, it's because it's a little old.
01:03:06If it's old, it's easy to happen.
01:03:08Over the past 50 years, it's been increasing rapidly.
01:03:15Until now, when the time came, we used to call it a replacement, but we changed it all.
01:03:20We neglected it a little.
01:03:22If you neglect it, it will look like this.
01:03:24Please look at this.
01:03:25A monsoon that exceeds the standard number of solar years, 50 years.
01:03:30In 2022, 7% of all monsoons will exceed 50 years.
01:03:36In 2032, about 19% will exceed 50 years.
01:03:42In 2042, about 40% will exceed 50 years.
01:03:45If you keep doing this, it will get worse and worse, so you have to do something about it.
01:03:52If you're replacing it, the ratio is always the same.
01:03:55I see.
01:03:56It's always the same.
01:03:57If that's the case, you can see that it's dangerous.
01:03:59If you don't replace it, it will increase more and more, and you won't be able to use it as much as you can.
01:04:05The monsoon that was developed in this high economic growth period is already at its limit.
01:04:11If you do this, you can't renew it for 100 years.
01:04:15Ms. O-Rin, did you know that there is a serious situation under the ground?
01:04:21Yes, I can't believe it.
01:04:24I can't imagine this happening right in front of me.
01:04:29I'm afraid this is actually happening.
01:04:32If the government doesn't have the money and the finances are tight, it will be difficult to renew the monsoon project.
01:04:41I think it's going to be tough.
01:04:43Is this a problem with the government?
01:04:45I wonder what the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport is doing.
01:04:48Mr. Takahashi.
01:04:49To be precise, the government is in charge of the monsoon project.
01:04:52The Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport is in charge of the overall funding.
01:04:55The Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport's funding is a big reason why it hasn't been updated.
01:05:01They say it's not enough money, but it's not about the money.
01:05:05In fact, everyone who updates the monsoon project says it's a disaster.
01:05:11So the money has nothing to do with it.
01:05:13Let's take a look at how to deal with the aging of the monsoon.
01:05:17This is the aging of the monsoon that Ms. Fujii is thinking about.
01:05:211. It costs 12 trillion yen to fix it after it's broken.
01:05:25But if you take measures in advance, you can save 6 trillion yen.
01:05:292. Mr. Takahashi said this for the sake of the local government and the deflator.
01:05:33It's not that the government can't do more.
01:05:37It's that it's an international project.
01:05:403. Let's make a plan to maintain the future vision.
01:05:45Mr. Takahashi.
01:05:461, 2, 3.
01:05:47It's Ms. Fujii's view, but is it almost the same?
01:05:50That's right.
01:05:51I always talk to him about how to do this.
01:05:57It's one way to do it internationally.
01:06:01In the case of the monsoon, it's like a local disaster.
01:06:04It's almost the same.
01:06:06I've heard this many times when I talk about international projects.
01:06:09You have to suck it in more and more.
01:06:12But it's not a problem if it becomes a debt and you can't get out of it.
01:06:15It's a monsoon, so you can make money all the time.
01:06:18It's not a problem at all.
01:06:19You can make a little bit of money little by little and return the international money.
01:06:23That's how it works.
01:06:24So it's not a matter of money.
01:06:26It's not a matter of not having enough tax.
01:06:29Mr. Takahashi has a solution for this problem.
01:06:35What should we do?
01:06:36He has a solution.
01:06:37Please take a look at this.
01:06:39If you tweak the number of a secret, you can solve the problem.
01:06:43I'll tell you later.
01:06:442. Let's make a plan to maintain the future vision.
01:06:473. There is a special measure to prevent the aging of the infrastructure.
01:06:54Please take a look at this.
01:06:564% to 1% of the social distribution rate.
01:07:03I don't think you know anything.
01:07:05I don't know while explaining.
01:07:07The social distribution rate is a numerical value that is a prerequisite for calculating to evaluate the cost-benefit ratio of public companies.
01:07:17In the first place, this is a story about how to decide how to make roads, construction, and bridges.
01:07:26Please explain the social distribution rate and cost-benefit ratio.
01:07:31As for the cost-benefit ratio, of course, it is the cost of building a pipe and construction.
01:07:41The cost-benefit ratio is the number of people using the sewage system.
01:07:50The more people use the sewage system, the higher the cost-benefit ratio.
01:07:56The cost-benefit ratio is determined by the number of people using the sewage system.
01:08:01The cost-benefit ratio is determined by the number of people using the sewage system.
01:08:08So, when you dig the soil and make a pipe, you don't have to change it because of the number of people using the sewage system.
01:08:20You have to explain it with numbers.
01:08:24If you don't explain it with numbers, it won't work.
01:08:33The cost-benefit ratio is 4% to 1%.
01:08:41If the cost-benefit ratio is 4%, the future benefits will be reduced and the long-term infrastructure will be disadvantaged.
01:08:49If the cost-benefit ratio is 1%, the long-term investment will be advantageous.
01:08:54What does this mean?
01:08:56If you look at the current monthly water bill, you can get the monthly water bill for a long time.
01:09:01The reason why the cost-benefit ratio is high is that the future amount will be very small.
01:09:06In short, if the cost-benefit ratio of 1 million tons is high in the future, the number of people using the sewage system will be very small.
01:09:14So, even though we are getting the same monthly water bill, if we make it 4%, we can judge that there is no future.
01:09:25If the cost-benefit ratio is high, it is difficult to invest.
01:09:30But if the cost-benefit ratio is low, it is easier to invest.
01:09:35The principle is the same.
01:09:37If the cost-benefit ratio is 4% and we calculate various numbers, it will be less advantageous.
01:09:44If the cost-benefit ratio is 1%, it will be advantageous and expensive.
01:09:46Let's do construction.
01:09:48This is the National Transportation Agency's announcement of the public business assessment cost-benefit analysis.
01:09:56Social discounting technology is currently 4% in all businesses.
01:10:02Specifically, in the past few years, the social discounting technology has been used for the past 16 years.
01:10:11This is based on the reality of the international system.
01:10:14The social discounting technology is 4% in all businesses.
01:10:17It hasn't changed in the past 20 years.
01:10:19You've been doing this, haven't you?
01:10:20When I was in the Ministry of National Defense, I was asked,
01:10:23How much is the national tax rate now?
01:10:25It was 4%, so I set it to 4%.
01:10:27But after that, the tax rate kept going down, and it stayed at 4%.
01:10:30So it's been strong at 4%, so the public investment hasn't come out at all.
01:10:34It's 5 trillion yen.
01:10:35If we fix the current tax rate, it should be 0.5 or 1.
01:10:39If we fix the current tax rate, it should be 0.5 or 1.
01:10:44So we can do this at 1%.
01:10:49It hasn't changed in 20 years.
01:10:52This is the reality.
01:10:56Overseas, if the tax rate changes, everyone changes.
01:10:59I thought it was changing, but it wasn't.
01:11:02The evil people are now in the center of the Ishida administration.
01:11:08If you ask the person in charge to change this,
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