15 mins of Heat! Tobin needs a new drink with more regret and sadness for Heat losses. More on Jimmy Butler talk...TNT's Inside The NBA crew talked about NBA All Stars and knocked down the Miami Heat. They also spoke on the Jimmy Butler situation, they had differing opinions on this matter.
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00:18I mean, you said a barkeep because the last night sure looked like Tobin was hitting that
00:32bottle after that he lost to the buck.
00:35You know, I did.
00:36I did hit the bottle yesterday, Vlad.
00:38I need to find something that burns a little bit more because sometimes don't you don't
00:41you feel like this when you drink?
00:42Like if you need a sad drink, you need something with a little burn to it.
00:46You know, it can't be too sweet.
00:48Uh, like some, some type of real hole, like burp, Kentucky bourbon, you know, you know,
00:56Jay fake something that like if I, if I burp and there was a spark around, I look like
00:59a dragon.
01:00Like, that's what I'm talking about.
01:02Or tequila.
01:03Oh, I love a sad tequila.
01:04No, no, no, no, no, no, but you know, you could also always drink that, that scotch
01:13that I have that tastes like cigarette.
01:16That was awful, dude.
01:17Or go some from like really good, uh, moonshine, like some very blue one, the blue one, something
01:26about moonshine that just seems like hooliganism more than sadness though, you know, no, you'll
01:32be very sad.
01:33You took it the, uh, yesterday they named the starters for the all-star team and, but
01:38then Shaq, Kenny and Chuck put out their reserves and they'd okie doke us because Shaq had Tyler
01:45hero.
01:46Then took him down.
01:47And then he said, nevermind.
01:48Lamella ball.
01:49Well, the problem is the problem is, is that from what I was getting, they didn't know
01:55who the starters were and they picked the 12 all-stars, but some of their reserves were
02:03starters.
02:04Right.
02:05Kenny's got, it got kind of, well, they made fun of Kenny cause Kenny just put five players.
02:10He didn't put any guards.
02:13He just put his five best players as his starters.
02:15And then Shaq, and then Chuck had bam out of bio and then he goes, nah, nevermind.
02:20Tyler hero has been way better than bam on a bio this year, which is fair, which is fair,
02:25but I didn't like that.
02:26Shaq, come on, man.
02:27You can just take Tyler hero off your list.
02:30He's also the same person siding with Jimmy.
02:33So well, yeah, he could side with them because he's done that.
02:38He knows what, how that feels.
02:40Yeah.
02:41But the problem is, is that here's the thing.
02:44And I, and, uh, I forgot who put it on the, on the, on the chat, uh, watching the Twitch
02:51and yeah.
02:54You say you looking at it from a human level with Mark Andrews, right?
03:01Shaq was looking at, at a human level as a player, like, Oh, you don't want me anymore.
03:06Well, I don't want you.
03:07But here's where that doesn't hold water.
03:11We're paying you for the next two years.
03:15So you want me to, so I'm supposed to say, you don't want me two years from now.
03:19I'm not going to play now.
03:20Okay.
03:21Then give the money back.
03:22Give the money back then.
03:23Oh, they're trying to get it back.
03:24Do you understand Vlad?
03:25I get it.
03:26Look, I'm not, I'm not co-signing them.
03:27We're not talking about now.
03:28We're not talking about like his contract is getting ready to expire.
03:29And they haven't extended him.
03:39We are talking about the year 2027 that, Oh, y'all don't want me.
03:46Y'all don't want a 37 year old me.
03:48Well, I don't want you now.
03:51I genuinely don't even think Jimmy Butler wanted to play until he was 37.
03:53I just think the money's gotten too crazy in the NBA.
03:56Everybody's like, Oh man, I gotta get.
04:00Like, how could you turn down $60 million guaranteed?
04:02You know, if they're going to give it to you, right.
04:04But I'm saying like when Jimmy first signed with the heat, when he was 29, like he said,
04:08I don't, I don't plan to play until I'm 37.
04:10They're giving us how much now at 37, how much LeBron is getting at 40.
04:15And I know I don't, I, I get that, but I don't understand why you think this is the best
04:22way to go about it.
04:23I don't understand that.
04:25I just, I just can't, I get it in football that if your contract is up and you want to
04:33make a stink, there's reasons why you have to make a stink because football contracts
04:39are not guaranteed, right?
04:42And so that new contract will set you up.
04:45I get all that.
04:46That's not the case in baseball and basketball.
04:50Jimmy is not on the last year of his deal.
04:56Jimmy can get paid a hundred million dollars in the next two years.
05:00Okay.
05:01What he has a big problem with, which we didn't notice when the season started, cause he said
05:09he was going to hoop.
05:10So let's start there too.
05:13He didn't make a stink the whole time.
05:17This is just a recent thing.
05:19Far as we knew, far as what Jimmy told us, he was coming out to ball.
05:24That's his words.
05:25This is six man.
05:26Stink came off the bench, but to have to, to say, I'm not going to work for the money
05:37that you're paying me now because you refuse to pay me two years from now.
05:43That's where Chuck doesn't relate, right?
05:48Or D Wade and D and D Wade's been through it too with Pat, obviously.
05:53And D Wade, his contract was up.
05:56Yeah.
05:58It wasn't a situation like Jimmy.
06:00No, but it was, but he's, but I think that when you say, yeah, I think, and I think that's
06:06why he doesn't have many basketball players on his side from the money perspective.
06:11Some people have said, Oh, you know, like we've heard what D Wade shot down with the
06:14Paul Pierce of like, Oh, just, you know, people aren't going to like Pat Riley ruling with
06:20an iron fist.
06:21And that's the thing that's crazy about this.
06:22That's missed with all those arguments is they haven't ruled Jimmy with an iron fist,
06:27right?
06:28They let him do whatever he wants the entire time.
06:34There has been no iron fist.
06:36I know.
06:37What do you want me to do?
06:38Dude?
06:39I'm sorry.
06:40But then if I don't talk about it, you'll be like, I can't believe they're talking about
06:43Cain's women's hoops.
06:44Can't win with Smith.
06:45What do you want us to talk about?
06:50He doesn't chaos.
06:51He's an agent of chaos.
06:52No, but then what exactly?
06:53So then what do you want to talk about?
06:57We hit the football.
06:58He doesn't want it.
06:59He just wants us to, this is exactly what he wants.
07:02He wants us to pit us against each other so he can tell us all to go to hell.
07:05He's cackling in his room right now, but because you go for a green, that's why he's upset
07:10then.
07:11I don't know.
07:12Yeah.
07:13I mean, compared to, has kind of gotten tired of Jimmy in the recent few days, I've always
07:20been pretty much in the same spot, right?
07:25Like you, a team, you signed a contract three years ago that's supposed to last until 2026
07:35and you're going to stop playing for that contract because they won't pay you in 2027.
07:40Yeah.
07:42That's a hard, it's a, it's, it's, it's not a great look, but the thing that like is always
07:48been is like, I just don't understand how you could tank out on your teammates, especially
07:52teammates that you've been teammates with that long.
07:54But that goes to show you that like, yeah, as long as it's about me, it's about we, there's
08:00people like that because people are like, Oh, as long, as long as I'm going good, right?
08:06Then we good.
08:07People be like, Oh, good.
08:09And I'm not going good.
08:11Then we ain't good.
08:12Like people are like, Oh, they're paying him like a third option.
08:14Like he makes 15 million more than anybody this year or next year.
08:17No, he's not.
08:18Like, no, he's not young right now.
08:20If you really think about it, like from the inception, the team from when he got here,
08:25the only people that's there is Bam and Tyler Duncan and Duncan play with Haywood and they
08:33might be done.
08:34So with his antics, at least it looks like him in 13.
08:37Can I just say this?
08:40We are all also not looking at the realization that the biggest issue that Pat had with Jimmy
08:52was the amount of games he was playing.
08:55Right?
08:57And so Jimmy's basically saying to Pat, I'm a pace, play 60 games.
09:04You either like it or don't like it.
09:08And I'm going to make a stink if you don't pay me for 2027 fake John Crowdy says time
09:13to send them to the wizards.
09:15No, but I am curious that now I got now I am intrigued if the heat don't do the son's
09:22thing and they do just send them to the Grizzlies.
09:24I'm curious to see what then what be like, it's not our headache.
09:30But we're making a, here's the assumption that everybody's making that I'm not going
09:35to make.
09:36We're assuming that once Jimmy goes somewhere else, he won't start balling.
09:39Oh yeah.
09:40A hundred percent.
09:41Right.
09:42I'm not ready to, because I was not that easy.
09:46If it were that easy, he would have been doing it.
09:50I told, I was talking, I was on a sports radio today in Phoenix and they're like, do you
09:55think like, is, do you think he would work here?
09:58I'm like, guys, I'm never going to doubt Jimmy Butler, but I haven't seen him play basketball
10:02for real season a month.
10:04So I don't know.
10:05I don't know what he's going to be like, but if we're going by his track record, because
10:08we all know that his track record, when he does, he's not getting a contract or he's
10:12when he wants money and he's not getting it from the team that he's playing for, is that
10:18he causes stink and he's never done it.
10:21It's traded, but it does get traded.
10:23He starts playing well again.
10:25Yeah.
10:26It's 35 though.
10:28It's only gone bad.
10:29It's only gone bad on playing here.
10:32Like in the Minnesota thing, what did it last a game?
10:36You know, like he had the, everybody even knows the infamous practice.
10:38Nobody talks about him.
10:39No, but I'm just saying that what I was saying was he was causing a stink in Chicago, went
10:46to Minnesota causes thinking Minnesota went to Philadelphia.
10:49They were, they were Kawhi Leonard.
10:53He never, he never didn't play.
10:56He never didn't play, right?
10:58Yeah.
10:59They play.
11:00Like he played great in Philadelphia.
11:01You can never say he didn't play.
11:04This is a new twist to this.
11:07Like if Jimmy was making a stink, but balling, we wouldn't be having these conversations.
11:13It's a different type of person.
11:15I mean, those are situations he, you could walk through that or the organization like
11:19Philadelphia, Minnesota, you're not going to walk through Pat in Miami.
11:23So you got to cause a different type of stink in order for you to get what you want.
11:28Should we, uh, should we talk more Jimmy Butler?
11:33If he's dead to you, he's not dead to me.
11:35He's not that I actually have a dead to me that I've been holding onto all week.