Leroy discusses the writing on the wall that led to this messy divorce. We discuss Jimmy's trade value, would the Heat be able to secure De'Aaron Fox in exchange for Butler? What other options are realistically on the table?
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00:00This whole day has, you know what this reminds me of?
00:08What?
00:09You ever have a situation in your life
00:12where you kind of have a feeling of how it's gonna play out,
00:15but you ignore that.
00:17Yep.
00:18And then it happens and you're mad
00:20because you knew it was heading down this path.
00:24Now, me and you have had conversations
00:28over the last two years around Jimmy.
00:32Yep.
00:33And the two points of emphasis were
00:38when he decides to play, how many games he missed,
00:44and what is he gonna look like in two years?
00:48You were like, I don't care, pay him.
00:53Now, let me ask you this.
00:56If Pat Riley had paid him and gave him everything he wanted,
01:01do you think Jimmy would be playing
01:03different basketball now, or would he even be playing?
01:08Yeah, because I don't think he would have,
01:09I don't think he would have missed those buildings.
01:11And here's the thing.
01:13Are you prepared to make a $40 million assumption?
01:18That's not my money.
01:19But I'm just saying, even as fans,
01:24aren't we making a lot of assumptions
01:26that we probably shouldn't be making?
01:28I think the thing that I,
01:30I looked at the 40 million,
01:33or I looked at the money as knowing,
01:36yes, when you have to pay that 60 million,
01:41I knew that was gonna happen.
01:43But I did that almost as like the insurance of,
01:47can I get the last good out of this?
01:49Can this actually make something?
01:51Will there be another move?
01:52So if you do it, he will ball out this year.
01:55This year or next year, we'll see.
01:57Even if you haven't seen it.
01:59But, no, I haven't seen it.
02:00I haven't seen it.
02:01Right, that was my hope.
02:02That was my hope.
02:04But they didn't wanna make that gamble.
02:06They don't want it.
02:07They're the ones who have to pay the 60 million.
02:09But that has been my point.
02:12I'm not saying, listen,
02:13I'm not saying I don't get it, Leroy.
02:14Right, no, I know, I know, I know.
02:16And that's why I haven't been crushing you.
02:20Yeah, I'm not saying-
02:21Because I know, I know for a fact,
02:23your whole point was, I like Jimmy less pay him.
02:27I know it's not my money.
02:29And while acknowledging all the things
02:31that we've all been talking about,
02:34it's a weird situation because the player can't,
02:39Jimmy can't see it from the heat side.
02:41He only sees it from what he wants.
02:43And at any point in time,
02:46he could have been a better participant
02:49in the outcome of this.
02:52Yeah.
02:53That's my whole,
02:53my whole thing is,
02:55if you wanted this to play out differently,
02:56you could have made it play out differently.
03:00Let's see.
03:01This is Jimmy.
03:02That guy got stomach flu 17 times in the last three years.
03:06What's up, Jimmy?
03:08Hey, Tobin.
03:09I'm surprised you guys haven't mentioned this,
03:11but what do you think is Jimmy's trade value at this point?
03:15And am I delusional in thinking,
03:18is it possible to get Fox?
03:20I think I'm being delusional.
03:22If we trade Jimmy, a young player.
03:25I think Fox has to make a stink too.
03:28I think like, that's why,
03:29and I think that's kind of where all the parties were.
03:31Jimmy is like,
03:32I think that everybody was hopeful
03:34it would get to the summer
03:35because it's just easier to move things.
03:37People's, you know, in season,
03:40the restrictions that a lot of teams have
03:42because of aprons and all that type of stuff.
03:43I just felt like,
03:44I think everybody's looking at it right now.
03:46Cause there's a lot of front offices.
03:48I don't think that have a grasp
03:49or the maneuverability with trading right now in the season.
03:53So I think that's also part of it is like,
03:55you know, the heat, we're hopeful.
03:57Like Leroy said, like this would be amicable,
03:59have a good season.
04:00And yeah, we will facilitate.
04:02If you can find a team that gives you a sign
04:03and trade in the off season,
04:05we'll help facilitate that.
04:06We'll make that happen.
04:07Now, I don't know what the hell happens now.
04:09I don't know what the petty showdown is.
04:11If it does get to the summer,
04:12I don't think it will get to the summer.
04:14Like it kind of feels inevitable
04:15that they got to find a destination for him now.
04:18How's a, how's Zion's hand?
04:20No, no.
04:22No.
04:23Oh, why?
04:24Cause that's because,
04:25because that deal going to cost you 300.
04:29How's that hand?
04:29You look at bring that hand me to Miami.
04:31Ooh.
04:35Hey, you realize, right?
04:37You sign up for the same thing,
04:41except it costs you 300 million instead of another 40
04:44or another 60.
04:45Nah, he's got a, he's got a, he's already on a deal.
04:47I mean, as a, you know, the, the thing,
04:49I think he's got to like, you know,
04:50play like four games for it to be guaranteed or whatnot.
04:55Just try it on for size.
04:56I'm not saying, I'm not saying Zion Williamson.
04:58Cause I don't even know, like,
04:59would it be something if the batter has any team Pelicans,
05:03man, what if they made Jimmy Butler a Pelican?
05:06A Pel.
05:06And they got Zion Williamson.
05:08I would say that one of the things,
05:14one of the reasons why it becomes difficult to do it now
05:17is simply because you're right.
05:21There's a lot of people that are in cap situations
05:25that they need that off season to figure out
05:28where the hell they are.
05:30Right.
05:31And they ain't thinking about that right now.
05:33Right.
05:34And so they probably need time to sit down and say, okay,
05:37we can do this.
05:38We can do this.
05:39We can, and a trade,
05:40unless you've been wanting to trade from the get go,
05:44you haven't really sat down and figured that out.
05:46Right.
05:47And now it's to a point where if Jimmy Butler did have his
05:49four teams and none of those teams are interested in either
05:51trading for the heat or really can't trade with the heat,
05:53then Jimmy is at the point of he's like, fine, anywhere,
05:57dude, just get me out of here.
05:59Here's the other thing is that
06:04you look at the guys who've demanded those trades
06:09in the last three or four years.
06:12Okay.
06:14Do you think Jimmy is on the same level as those guys?
06:20And we can just think of the guys that have demanded trades
06:24in the last, yeah.
06:25KD.
06:27Yep.
06:28You had
06:30Dame.
06:33Okay.
06:34He's above, yeah, he's above Dame.
06:37You think Jimmy's better than Dame?
06:39Yeah.
06:41He is all around player.
06:43Obviously Dame's a better scorer.
06:45But that's okay, but.
06:49I mean, Jimmy's teams have, Jimmy, wherever he's gone,
06:51I mean, his teams have had more impacts than Dame has.
06:54Dame I'm sure is, you know, Dame's an elite scorer.
06:57If there was no, if there's no Steph Curry,
06:59we're probably talking about Damian Lillard.
07:00But I think, I think Jimmy Butler is a better player.
07:04I get, I know what you're going to say,
07:05like availability for sure.
07:07I get all that.
07:08I'm just saying.
07:09What about Kaminga?
07:12I'm not into it.
07:13You're not into Kaminga?
07:15I'm not into Kaminga.
07:17He's another young player.
07:20That Kaminga trade comes with Wiggins too.
07:22That does nothing for you.
07:23Nah.
07:25Wig, I'm still trying to figure Wiggins out.
07:26He had that one finals where he was just,
07:30he was the best player on the court at times.
07:33Zion though, you know.
07:35Zion, I'm not, dude, you, hold on.
07:39Let me ask you a question.
07:41Let me ask this question.
07:42You think Pat Bradley is going to trade
07:45for another guy who doesn't play?
07:47His whole argument the last two years was availability.
07:52He's only 24.
07:53Like, you know, you walk it around the park a little bit.
07:55Let's see what it was.
07:56See what he's got.
07:57You want him, you, you want him around Astron?
08:00That's a big question.
08:01That's a totally big question.
08:04He's only 24.
08:06Schmidt says Kaminga's 22.
08:08Tobin is nuts.
08:10Right.
08:13I mean, here, Kaminga and, Kaminga is what?
08:176'10"?
08:186'9"?
08:196'10"?
08:20Is he that big?
08:21Yeah.
08:23Let me see.
08:256'7".
08:26No, I thought he was bigger than that.
08:28Google says 5'6".
08:30So, so like, when you think of, I mean,
08:39think of how athletic you get.
08:41He's very athletic.
08:42Kaminga, Bam, Kal-El, Nico.
08:48Right?
08:49Like, and, and, and I'm just spitballing here.
08:51That's the thing too, is like, if this all ends
08:53and I'm like, I'm ready,
08:54I'm ready to close the window on things.
08:56I really like these young guys.
08:57I like watching them.
08:59Like, my most important part right now is-
08:59All right, so, and Kaminga, and then take Wiggins.
09:02I'm like, I gotta take Wiggins.
09:05I guess I gotta take Wiggins.
09:06You got to make the money match.
09:07Kaminga ain't signed the money yet.
09:08Yeah, them's the rules, I guess.
09:10Right.
09:11So, so like, you, that seems like both teams are happy.
09:20You know, Zion is a Duke guy.
09:21You know, Mickey Harrison and Nick,
09:22they love the Duke guys.
09:25I'm just saying, like, that,
09:27I mean, there's, there's teams that want Jimmy.
09:33Golden State wants Jimmy.
09:37So, Kaminga-
09:39I'm going to be furious
09:40if they win the championship with him.
09:42No, I wouldn't be.
09:43I mean, they're not going to win the championship.
09:44Because here's the deal, here's the deal.
09:47You weren't going to win it with Jimmy.
09:49That's fair.
09:50So to say that, oh, somebody else,
09:52they're in a different place than you.
09:54They always get the one up on us though, dude.
09:57Again, that sounds like a,
09:59that sounds like a good trade.
10:02You give me Wiggins, you give me Wiggins and Kaminga,
10:05I give you Jimmy Butler, you throw in.
10:09What's up, Bob?
10:11Hi, how are you?
10:11Listen, I mean, everybody's forgetting about Jimmy
10:15is that he has never even played 60 games
10:20on average since he's been here.
10:23He's played 58, 52, 57, 64, 60,
10:27and he's already missed 10 games this year.
10:29And this last year, he asked him to improve his game
10:32or maybe participate more.
10:33You're telling it that you're going to give this guy
10:36$60 million for 60 games?
10:39That's a million dollars a game.
10:41That's elite money.
10:42He's not worth it.
10:43And let's look at his history.
10:45He's been the same thing in Chicago.
10:47He always will come out.
10:48He did it with Minnesota.
10:50He did it with Philadelphia.
10:51Now it's Miami Heat.
10:53What I would do, I'd send him to Utah Jazz
10:55and see if his social activities works
10:58in the Utah Mormon territory
11:00because he's not worth the effort.
11:03He's just asking too much.
11:05And he's like a crybaby.
11:07Oh, I didn't get my 112 million.
11:11The man says, listen, you're not in the playoff.
11:13Keep your mouth shut.
11:14He was right.
11:15And he keeps running his mouth.
11:17And listen, other owners will think,
11:19listen, if they gave me a six-pack right now for him
11:21and dump the 52 million, I'll take it
11:24because his worries will come from me.
11:26I think they should put Bob in the negotiations.
11:27Oh, you can't do that.
11:29Oh my God.
11:34Here's what I think's happening right now.
11:36Tate South says, that guy's name is not Bob.
11:39I'm going to say this.
11:40And I would say Tobin,
11:44we have been,
11:47you know, playoff Jimmy,
11:51trade deadline Jimmy,
11:52January Jimmy for the last three years.
11:56Agreed.
11:58And now we're to the point where like,
12:02we're getting put in a bunch of terrible situations
12:07during the season,
12:09hoping that Jimmy basically bails the team out
12:16and then if something actually happens in those months,
12:22we're SOL.
12:24And I think that's,
12:27I think everybody is starting to come to the realization
12:33that you need something more consistent
12:35throughout the season.
12:38I mean, and that's just, that's just it.
12:42My other thing is, is with the young players.
12:45How is this affecting the development of the other guys?
12:49Like a perfect example,
12:51how many times did Tyler shoot last week?
12:53I mean, last night?
12:55I think 12.
12:57What is Tyler, like the way he's been playing
13:01and the only thing that changed
13:02was Jimmy started playing again.
13:04Yep.
13:05So.
13:06And it took him basically until the fourth quarter.
13:08That's why I like, when I heard that whole usage thing,
13:11I'm like, nah, dude.
13:12Like if Tyler Herro was sitting there
13:14and he was shooting the lights out
13:16or trying to shoot up a bunch of shots,
13:17like I would have heard it.
13:18Like he was at like eight attempts by halftime.
13:20I don't know what you're talking about.
13:22Right.
13:23It was so obvious.
13:26That's the other thing.
13:28At what point do you think of the long-term effects
13:38of all these other players, of all these other guys?
13:42Because I mean, Tyler basically said it's exhausting.
13:46Yeah.
13:47You don't know what to, it's exhausting.
13:50And think about when Tyler was on the trade block
13:54the last few years.
13:56Never made a stink.
13:57Right.
13:58I give him credit for that.
13:59Right.
14:00Like, and so I don't know how else you can handle this
14:06without handling it quickly
14:09because now it's starting to impact everybody else
14:13because Tyler should be shooting 20 shots
14:16regardless of who's on the floor.