Tobin gives Jimmy Butler an ultimatum... De'Aaron Fox went on Draymond Green's show and discussed why he didn't sign the extension with Kings.
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00:00Today is a big day today is a big day
00:05They got new episodes coming out of the ultimatum and if you guys don't know what that is it is a show on
00:12Netflix that is
00:14Maybe the most ridiculous show I've ever seen in my life
00:18The show where they've been in relationships for a while and then they go and they hook up with other people
00:23And then decide if they still want to be together
00:26Well in this one, I believe only one of them has actually hooked up but they they do what's it known as a trial marriage
00:35If you go there you've already determined what your
00:44Situation is agreed. It's a tough thing
00:50Tough and you go with her. That's it. Yeah, I know
00:52Well, not not really some of them that they feel like they've they've confirmed some things, you know
01:01Time money the options were better
01:06whatever
01:08Listen if I'm going somewhere like that and
01:11You're looking. Mm-hmm and that already solidifies your relationship when you get back home
01:17Well, I also think it's a bit of a safety net, right?
01:20And
01:21All I think it is. I think it is
01:25If you can see that the writing might be on the wall
01:28Maybe things aren't going maybe you do want to say. Hey, what if we just try this on for size, right?
01:34which brings me to my ultimatum and
01:37That is my marriage me. My my my my basketball marriage may be coming to an end with who?
01:45About my choice
01:47Not by my choice
01:50I'm beaming with pride when I said early this year to to your two most loved figures down here in South, Florida
01:57At the end of the year
01:58It's gonna probably be your two most hated figures in South Florida. I would never hate Jimmy Butler. I said, man
02:04It's it's not his I understand why he's looking around. I understand why he's looking around
02:08Oh, so you blame this on BAM in his relationship?
02:10Oh, I don't know. I blame this on Pat Pat didn't you know, I mean Pat always he always ends
02:17Frosty he's he's cutthroat. You do know that every
02:21In for six months at least once or twice a week you enter that man's court, of course
02:28Him I think I'll tell you something. I I don't I don't think you realize
02:38And I'm gonna say this
02:41You what kind of man Pat Riley is Pat Riley has already stated
02:48His intentions sure did and I would say this if he did that with D Wade
02:59And he gave him three titles
03:02Right. Yep. So so like what would so what is your name? Here's here's what I gotta get to
03:10If I have to realize something is coming to an end, or maybe it's not gonna work out the way that I thought it was
03:17Maybe I gotta start looking at other things
03:20that brings us to the Aaron Fox who yesterday was on the Draymond Green show and
03:28Draymond Green
03:29Who is?
03:31Got his podcast
03:33Represented by one Rich Paul, and of course who was also represented by Rich Paul the Aaron Fox the Aaron Fox
03:42Well, dear Fox
03:44Draymond Green just happened to ask him the innocent question
03:47Hey Foxy
03:49Why didn't you sign the extension with the Kings? Oh, but we already knew this. Well, let's hear it from
03:55You bring it up it's not it's
03:58From the Aaron. We want to hear it from the horse's mouth, dude. Here. It is the Aaron Fox
04:04What was the motivation for you to pass on an extension?
04:08Essentially continuing to bet on yourself, but you know to pass on that amount of money
04:14And just play the season for me man. It's it has all to do with just the team the organization. Where are we going?
04:22I want to make sure that
04:25We're in a position to try to win in the future
04:29Because that's ultimately what I want to do like I know make enough money
04:33Regardless of where I play or what I do like I'm gonna be fine unless you know, god forbid, you know
04:39Knock on wood, you know that you know, you have a career in injury
04:42But aside from that like I feel like I'm continuing to get better as a player
04:46Every year but for me
04:48It's are we looking like we're continuing to get better year after year and are we gonna be able to compete at?
04:54A high level and that was that's all mine is like if we can show that this year like, you know
05:00You signed the extension now
05:01If not, like I said, obviously I still have another year
05:04But that's that's where my mindset is at some point
05:07will we be able to compete for a championship or keep or really compete at a high level for a long time and
05:13That's where I'm at you at that at that stage
05:18I love being here. I've raised my family here. We got grant
05:22We got our grandparent there or the kids grandparents here. Like I would love to be here and retire here
05:29Play, I mean how many people can say they played in one organization for their whole career like
05:40At the end of the day all those things would be nice but what the Fox say
05:46Well, first of all that wouldn't happen until next year anyway, it happened in the summer
05:53So
05:59What do you want you want the air and you want ant-man which which animal do you want you want the ant or you
06:03Want the Fox you can't have both. I don't think a man's going anywhere for a while. He's too young
06:08Can I just say this what and I mean, this is what I'm trying to say
06:13What
06:18Sure, you're exhausting. How am I exhausting?
06:24I don't understand. How am I exhausting? What does that have to do with the heat?
06:29The heat are about to you know, probably end their time with Jimmy Butler. Oh, can I ask you a question?
06:36This is a fair and honest question. Yep
06:43Who's closer to winning the heat or
06:48Dear Fox where he is
06:50Probably the heat
06:52You think so?
06:53Well, they've only gotten worse since Sabonis has gotten there when they had that run where they were third in the West. Mm-hmm and
07:01They're not that anymore like they're cute little story. They're cute little run where he probably thought momentum was building off of that
07:07Yeah, they're not that anymore, but neither are the heat they're under 500
07:11I'm saying you're making you're you're making it sound like that
07:16When these players look at oh, I want a chance to win a title
07:22That of all the options the Miami Heat are number one, it's not always that but here's the thing that you have to realize
07:29Okay, and it's I'm I understand what you're saying. Like, oh would I want to go hop on the number one contender and all that?
07:35Okay, that's fine. Obviously, that's not their form
07:38I mean the Cavs are pretty set on their their guys that keep the the Celtics are pretty set on their guys
07:43But here's the difference on that
07:44The Heat are gonna have a hole open and money to spend on somebody and moves to make to get somebody he's
07:51Very very close with the Heat center and bam out of bio
07:56He is and you did you listen to what he said?
08:00They're gonna be friends regardless
08:02Dude my question is he I'm going by what he said and I'm asking you. Mm-hmm
08:10Okay, based on what he said and all the options that may be out there
08:18That what he said, is that in line where where the Heat are right now?
08:24If he feels like he's a top-ten scorer and he joins bam and Tyler
08:29You don't think that he could think that because you've already kind of taken the spinner on the block on the Kings team
08:34No, I can like yeah, I can like, okay, so that's but if that's the attraction there
08:41But if that's what he's thinking
08:45Why can't he think that where he is I
08:49Would say here's what I think is a big thing because because then look at can I tell you why can I tell you?
08:55Why before you you know, give me another can I ask you? Here's why
08:58You've been there your whole career, right?
09:01You're a top-ten scorer in the NBA
09:04But who do people think about when they think about the Kings now
09:09Who's the face of the franchise it's not don't say it's a bonus it is the bonus
09:14It is the bonus
09:16Everybody who talks about the Kings
09:18Oh
09:24Leroy it is the truth everybody on that team. Everybody who talked about the Kings now also bonuses his franchise
09:33Bonus, we're gonna unretire numbers
09:35Are you only saying that to make your point? I'm saying that he's doing that to say make his point
09:40Did you ask me a question if in a sports radio discussion? Did I say that to make my point? What do you?
09:46Always gonna be waver in his way, of course, he's gonna make you guys lead you would disagree with that
09:51What you don't think that's the bonus gets more national love than the air Fox. No, he does a hundred percent
09:58That's an argument
10:00They were you think that we caught who have you heard more talking?
10:03I think it's more like you thought when you talk about that team you say dear Fox first. No way, dude. No way
10:11I can make an argument
10:14That it's the Aaron and then DeMar DeRozan then Sabonis
10:21Exactly
10:24Marta Rosa
10:30During the break, but I like where you go with it. I like it
10:34I this is very WWE and I love it Tobin put a wedge put you know
10:39Start dropping a little now, you know, if you're rich Paul
10:43Put a little seed in his head and then let it grow and fester to see that
10:48Let's think about this Vlad
10:49Rich Paul who's had a frosty relationship in the past of the heat clutch and the heat not great
10:55Over the last three years. It's been squashed. It is less frosty to have a clutch player on the team now and Alec Burks
11:01Apparently clutch did did a little bit of the negotiating with the heats uniform deal
11:09There's this clutch bridge with the Miami Heat
11:13What is rich Paul known for? Oh, let me get
11:16Anthony Davis out of New Orleans. Let me get LeBron out of Cleveland. Oh, let me get Fox out of Sacramento
11:24He's got eyes on something else
11:27If you want to dismiss it dismiss it
11:31Could you also could you play that other clip from dream on green there was another clip
11:34Yes, and just this this seemed to me like this seemed to me like a dream on green was letting it be known
11:41Your agent's gonna take care of you because he said your agent's gonna put you in the best position
11:46You know our agent rich Paul. Here's Draymond. Here was Deion Fox and Draymond
11:51That window you want that chance, man
11:53And you know, I think you got you got to put yourself in the best situation at all times
12:00Especially in the primary. Oh, yeah, I'm coming up on I'm coming up on those years
12:04so
12:05Yeah
12:07They know I'm gonna give all I got but at the end of the day brother organization also got to give all they got so
12:13Like that's where we are right now. I respect you holding them today
12:17You know holding them today and did a bargain as well as most guys in your position these days
12:23They don't you know, they just do whatever it is that
12:27You know and then a lot of them have agents that aren't willing to take that risk, you know
12:33That's like yo, you should sign this extension because the money I know from experience you have an agent that's like no
12:39There's gotta make sense for you. All right, and if this don't make sense for you
12:43It is my duty and obligation to advise you to do what makes sense for you
12:49Because we in a position we get the money, you know, I'm saying
12:54But there's a certain standard that should be upheld
12:58From organizations when you talk of star players
13:02Wow
13:05All of a sudden now Tobin wants to hear the gospel of
13:12The book of Draymond is gospel now when I got a point the guy's got a point
13:17All of a sudden Draymond who's punching guys in the you know, and then in the Netherlands, he's you know
13:24But what happened to that guy sent to the Netherlands? He got banished to Washington
13:29It was a smart man, you know, I he really liked that guy, I mean one of the craziest things ever
13:43I could understand like he's got that Jordan pool to me. I know it's wrong, but was it really wrong?
13:53See Jordan pool
13:55Did you see his play like the other day where he he he lost the defender and then instead of going for the basket
14:02He wanted to showboat and then in dating score. He now plays basketball like a globetrotter
14:07He's not going there to win games. He's like what I do for fun today, baby. I'm a wizard
14:12I'm sorry. He is the epitome of they should have never given you money
14:17Yeah, yeah, that's what happens when you give a hothead money. They should have never given you the money
14:23He's the epitome of that
14:28But back to your the Aaron Fox thing
14:31You are only gonna say anything to put a wedge in between the Sacramento Kings
14:36The Aaron Fox and all of a sudden now Rich Paul is your favorite agent. I didn't have to put a
14:41I didn't have to put a wedge the words were said all I did was sit back and listen
14:46All I did was sit back and listen. I haven't put a spin on it
14:50I'm just listening the words for what it's been on it. I haven't put a spin on you've put in Miami
14:55He'd spin on this whole thing. I'm just connected dots, baby. I'm just
15:00Exactly so why would you say that you're just out here listening you're
15:07If you guys say spinning it's like I'm going to art basil and being like what is that picture is that a horse or is
15:12That a rabbit?
15:13That's all I did is I'm sitting all I'm doing right now is I'm sitting at the Denny's menu doing the puzzles connecting dots
15:19Oh, what is that?
15:23J figure I take it. Let me ask you this
15:26Have I really taken an egregious leap here? Yeah, how?
15:30Do tell how no you did because she text me earlier 20 minutes into the show that all of a sudden Tobin's forgetting him
15:38Salary cap. He's forgetting
15:40What did you tell me J? Oh, here it goes, dude
15:46Doesn't exist and it's just a
15:48Suggestion, you know and and that anything can happen because if he thinks it's gonna happen
15:57If they trade Jimmy, they'll have
16:03Trade Jimmy to wear or if he just walks contract on
16:11That's okay, you guys can call me a spin artist all you want. I'm just sitting here connecting dots and
16:18The way dear Derek Fox's and his agent is they'll do a sign-in trade
16:23Yeah, that's what rich Paul does. He doesn't want to hurt
16:26You don't want to lose that extra year. So yeah, he always does sign and trade LeBron was a sign and trade
16:32Anthony Davis was a sign and trade Ben Simmons was a sign and trade like most of his clients are usually sign and trades
16:37Oh, yeah, he did have Ben Simmons. Oh
16:40Yeah, okay. Yeah, he knows Ben Simmons now Jimmy's agent
16:48So
16:50I think you're you're you're reaching here like people can't like I think
16:57the way he
16:59Gave that message. Mm-hmm, right?
17:02Was no more
17:04Than putting Sacramento on notice like this is where I am
17:09With this whole situation, right?
17:12Show me that you're as committed as I am
17:15That's it
17:16It ain't like oh, I want to go play for somewhere else
17:19He just said I want to play for a championship now my question to you and and this is what I still like
17:27You making it sound like
17:30Any player who's free and available?
17:33Their best option to win is Miami and all I say to you is this
17:39They don't always think like that
17:42You think like that because you're a heat guy
17:47With all the teams in this league
17:51Right. Who's to say Darren Fox say hey go work something out in, New York
17:56Who say dear Fox is like Oh go work some out in Houston
18:00Who's to say, you know, there's a lot of teams on up-and-coming
18:06that
18:07He could go there actually compete
18:10How do you know he's not saying you know what if I have my choice I'd rather be in
18:17You know on a Western conference. Yeah, what if
18:20Tell me what if he says he wants to go to LA he wants to play for the Lakers, right?
18:28Took a lot of liberties and made a lot of assumptions with his words
18:35That I'm saying
18:38There's a relationship there though, I mean there's an obvious relationship, okay, but yeah
18:43Did BAM has a relationship with a lot of people that are now he was a groomsman at his wedding, dude
18:47This is different
18:49There's different it is. It's okay. It's you know, which brings me to a point if he were to come based on
18:58What he's saying and that's all I'm going about what he's saying
19:01if he ended up with the Heat
19:05Would you question his motives behind what he said because as of right now
19:14Right you think the Heat are in the best position to win
19:20Right now. I mean like we'll see we'll see where they're at. But
19:24Like if I'm if I'm if I'm gonna pair up we're talking about right now though
19:28We don't know what he's gonna go pair up with the top three center in the league
19:31Who's the top three center in BAM?
19:35You sure about that name him
19:39Joker
19:41cool
19:43Anthony Dave, I mean Anthony
19:46Anthony Davis
19:49And beat inserts, we're not counting a beat. Yeah count and beat. Oh, then we kind of beat
19:55That's to be right down if you want to know who's playing better than your man right now
19:59Carl Anthony Towns, I'll give Carl Anthony Towns. Okay, so I was the top five. Oh now
20:04Yeah, we're not we're not worse than top five, but I but I but I would still take BAM over Carl Anthony Towns
20:09Are we gonna include Giannis?
20:11No
20:15He's not a center dude
20:19I
20:22Would take BAM over him but right now he's playing a little bit better than BAM
20:26Jared Allen was playing better than BAM right now. I'll get out of here. He just cooked Jared Allen
20:32Cooked him it cooked cooked him and then left him with some leftovers on the way out of the arena patted him on the cheek
20:37You know and I just saw you later and do that for the third time he gets it. Come on, dude
20:41He's a role player. What are you doing? Okay with Duran I just saw Duran just abused BAM for a second straight game
20:49Yeah, whatever that guy abuses I mean the man he abused was Kevin love
20:53Well, I do remember that the alley-oop game winner was on BAM
20:58The one word. Yeah, we're terrors. You're frozen up. Yeah, it was a great job by him. Yeah, and then
21:04And in the second game, which was this past week. Yeah. Yeah, so it happens. Okay guys
21:10but BAM is not a
21:13You're making him a top to be sinner and I'm saying he's not a fool
21:16We know he should say that all you want and we could want it all we want
21:20But the the facts are the facts with what the heat play him Leroy
21:23The fact of the fact is the spoke is the spoke
21:25It is what it is
21:27Like we keep saying things that aren't what they are like you keep saying
21:30Oh, he's a powerful not a powerful when he plays powerful. We could talk about it. I
21:34just like I
21:37Get what you're saying, but you always skew this towards
21:41the heat having everything and I don't know if
21:45everybody sees it the way you do and
21:48That's that's the thing that I'm trying to it was I mean somebody says I want to go to a winner
21:53How many people are saying I want to go to Miami? I?
21:57Mean Damian Lillard did last year
21:59But he was literally his top choice to go to the to the heat. It was his only choice, right?
22:05And where is what is like so now you're removed like you think that's just gone now. No, but
22:11Now that he's won an NBA Cup, was it a bad trade then so far? Oh, yeah
22:16I'm sure that's what he was gunning for the NBA Cup. I
22:19Mean Miami hasn't won an NBA Cup, but lucky that's fair. I guess you got me boxed in