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00:00Episode 2
00:01Today, we are here with these three people.
00:05If you ask me about the connection between the three of us,
00:09the connection between the two of us is that we've appeared in Fukuda-san's work before.
00:12This is a long time ago.
00:15It's been over 10 years.
00:17It didn't sell.
00:20It's funny, though.
00:22That's what he said.
00:24It's kind of sad.
00:26It's funny, though.
00:27It's sad, though.
00:28When I was doing it from today, I had a hard time setting a schedule.
00:31Please stop.
00:34I don't think I can do that well now.
00:37Fukuda-san continued to use it at that time, so don't give up.
00:42It would be really interesting if it came out.
00:46Satomi Kobayashi is probably the woman I like the most in my life.
00:53Fukuda-san?
00:55It's true. She's the only joy on this show.
00:58I'm sure Satomi-san will say my name.
01:02I think everyone who has appeared on this show thinks so.
01:07When I appeared on the first and second episodes,
01:09Satomi-san called me the comedian Kisai Fukuda.
01:12What did I say?
01:15What kind of Kisai?
01:16Why did you decide to be Kisai?
01:18I'm not Kisai.
01:18Why do you think you'll get Kisai?
01:21It's work.
01:23The target this time is the Under Ninja.
01:28The movie directed by Fukuda Yuichi, Under Ninja.
01:32Fukuda-san is in the Gintama Hero Yoshihiko series.
01:35From today, I'm a comedian named Kisai.
01:41In this work, he was particular about action,
01:43and combined the world of unique ninjas with various comedies and action.
01:49Croak!
01:53Shinobu Hasegawa, who is highly praised by Fukuda-san,
01:58and Ryo-taro Sakaguchi, an actor who Fukuda-san calls a new comedy star.
02:05For Hasegawa-san, who has been working on Fukuda-san's works,
02:08Sakaguchi-san said it was his first time in a movie.
02:13Sakaguchi-kun, I asked you during the shooting.
02:18Where were you hiding?
02:20That's how you said it.
02:23But I...
02:26Did you know?
02:27I knew. It's that image.
02:29Ah, Hiro-kun.
02:30I was told to show that image.
02:33It wasn't a movie, but it was a hot topic outside.
02:36I was a reader, and I was like,
02:38isn't this me?
02:41I really didn't know.
02:44The role of Eita in Under Ninja.
02:48If this guy isn't funny, this movie is over.
02:51That's what I always thought.
02:53When I was writing the script,
02:55if Eita plays a boring actor, this movie is over.
02:59I didn't know that.
03:01When I was casting,
03:03there was a producer called Osawa-san.
03:07Sakaguchi Ryo-taro-san said,
03:09it's really funny,
03:12so I decided to go.
03:15When we were shooting,
03:17the clothes he was wearing were crazy.
03:20Today as well.
03:22His back was crazy.
03:24It wasn't crazy.
03:26I was wondering if he would be okay.
03:29He looked like he was bleeding.
03:32Sakaguchi-san, nice to meet you.
03:34First, I asked him to sleep here.
03:36Then, I asked him to come here.
03:38I said, yes, I understand.
03:40Then, I asked him to come here.
03:43He said the same thing so quickly.
03:46I thought he didn't trust me at all.
03:49His eyes were so scary.
03:52It was pitch black.
03:54Like a B-bomb.
03:56He wasn't conscious at all.
03:58I had to say that I was a good actor.
04:02I said, yes, I understand.
04:04I understand.
04:06It was scary.
04:08It was like a fight.
04:10They were fighting.
04:12The first scene was really funny.
04:16I remember Muro-kun was there.
04:20He was pushed by Tsuyoshi Muro.
04:23He couldn't do anything.
04:26A week later,
04:28he asked me where I was hiding.
04:30I was like, huh?
04:32I cried for a week.
04:34You should have laughed.
04:36I understand.
04:38It was scary.
04:40It was so funny.
05:11This is amazing.
05:13How long has it been?
05:17How many years has it been?
05:202013?
05:22It's been 2 years.
05:24Actually, in 2013,
05:27I came to see the movie, Danshi wa Damatteiru.
05:30You came to see that movie?
05:32Yes, I came to see the movie.
05:34I saw it for the first time.
05:36When was it?
05:38It was in 2013.
05:40It was that long ago.
05:42I laughed.
05:44You did a lot of stupid things.
05:46When I saw Shison-Nu,
05:48I thought,
05:50how funny would he be?
05:52I thought that.
05:54It was the first time I saw that kind of thing.
05:58He was so good at hitting on girls.
06:00He was so good at hitting on girls.
06:02He was so good at hitting on girls.
06:04He was so good at hitting on girls.
06:06I decided to invite him.
06:08At that time,
06:10I was looking for people
06:13who can hit on girls funny.
06:15When I saw my own drama,
06:17I realized that I was so tired.
06:19When I saw my own drama,
06:21I realized that I was so tired.
06:23After I finished it,
06:25I did a lot of research.
06:28I realized that it was because
06:30I hit on girls.
06:32I hit on them like crazy.
06:34You have to get into the character and start the conversation again.
06:37It's a repetition of that.
06:39And it's tiring.
06:41I see.
06:41So I thought to myself,
06:44I have to get into the character.
06:46That's how I came to that conclusion.
06:48My teacher is a manga artist named Kazuhiko Shimamoto.
06:52He does manga like Gyakkyo Nine and Aoi Hono.
06:55His manga is like that.
06:58I was surprised by his funny lines.
07:04It was revolutionary for me as a way to make people laugh.
07:08The flow didn't stop.
07:09It was stylish.
07:10And when I was looking for him,
07:13the first person I met was Yoshihiko Muro.
07:15Oh, I see.
07:16Muro-kun's tsukkomi is not a tsukkomi.
07:20It's a tsukkomi that says, I'm in trouble.
07:22When Yoshihiko said something stupid,
07:25Muro-kun said, I don't like it.
07:27It's a tsukkomi that says, I'm in trouble.
07:29It's a tsukkomi that says, I'm in trouble.
07:30I think that tsukkomi matches my way of making people laugh
07:34and Muro-kun's way of making people laugh.
07:37I think it's a happy drama that matches them well.
07:41After that, I was looking for people who could make interesting tsukkomi.
07:47And I think that's when I met him.
07:50It's all thanks to Fukuda-san.
07:52First of all, I don't mind being noticed for my acting.
07:56I don't mind being noticed for my acting.
07:58But I don't want people to look for more tsukkomi.
08:01I've only gotten an order to make people laugh.
08:04I want to make people laugh, but I don't get an order to make people laugh.
08:09That's why I can relax.
08:11I'm in hell when I'm at a different place.
08:13When I'm in a good mood, the director tells me,
08:17Hasegawa-san, today you're not in a good mood.
08:19Why do you say that?
08:21I'm in a serious mood.
08:25I'm used to being Fukuda-san.
08:26If you were an actor, you should be a comedian.
08:31There was a time when I wanted to be in Momusu.
08:34Once.
08:35Once.
08:39I'm being called by Sato!
08:41Why do you want to aim for the top?
08:43It's no good.
08:44What did you say?
08:46A comedy scene that is drawn with a touch unique to Director Fukuda.
08:50What is the secret to drawing out the charm of an actor and inviting the audience to laugh?
08:57Why do you want to aim for the top?
08:59I don't know much about other places.
09:03I've heard that when there's a costume meeting,
09:08people who have been working for a long time will do a lot of things.
09:12But I don't do any of that.
09:15You don't?
09:17I'm looking forward to the role-playing.
09:21So, in my case, it's the same story.
09:24I felt that a lot at this site.
09:27We do what we want to do.
09:33But on the contrary,
09:36if we don't do it,
09:38Fukuda's funny tension
09:42I was wondering if it wouldn't be.
09:47Because it's a place where actors who want to do it gather.
09:51If you don't bring ideas from home,
09:59you'll be able to liven it up.
10:02That's what I've always been thinking.
10:04I think it's not just a job
10:09where actors and directors are told to do this.
10:15But everyone's going to do it.
10:19That's true.
10:22Musical training is hell for some people.
10:26Ad-lib is hell.
10:29We practice the same thing every day.
10:32Ikeda Naruse, my favorite actor,
10:37was practicing and Naruse was doing the ad-lib.
10:41I laughed a lot.
10:44I said the same thing to him the next day.
10:46He said,
10:48Then Naruse scolded me a lot.
10:50He said,
10:52If you were a director, you'd laugh as much as you could.
10:56But we entertainers are more like that.
11:00We don't want to be told the same thing again.
11:04We'll definitely change the way we meet.
11:06We'll change a little bit of the ad-lib.
11:08But I have a very strange ability.
11:11When Naruse does something different every day,
11:13I can remember it all.
11:15Which one was the best?
11:17Ten days before the ad-lib,
11:20I'm told,
11:22That was good.
11:24During the practice,
11:26Fukuda does the best thing.
11:28Wow, that's cool.
11:30This, this, this, this, this, this.
11:32I choose.
11:34What exactly do you do
11:36to increase your acting skills?
11:40I'm a human being.
11:42What do you do?
11:44I ride a train.
11:46I remember people sitting in front of me.
11:48Have you ever tried to imitate someone?
11:50It's not imitation.
11:52I get the essence of it.
11:54I see.
11:56I see.
11:58I see.
12:00I see.
12:02I see.
12:04I see.
12:06I see.
12:08When I was a kid,
12:10I used to watch DRIFT.
12:12After a while, I became Kato-chan and Ken-chan.
12:14Kato-chan and Ken-chan.
12:16From then on,
12:18I started to understand Hyoukin-zoku.
12:20At the same time,
12:22I met Ucchan-nan-chan
12:24and Downtown-san in my dream.
12:26It was a good time.
12:28In the meantime,
12:30Toniru-san has been doing it all the time.
12:32We've been watching TV shows all the time.
12:34Oh, really?
12:37When I was a kid,
12:39I used to watch TV shows.
12:41Which generation are you talking about?
12:43Which TV show influenced you the most?
12:45I used to watch
12:47City Boys.
12:49Oh, I see.
12:51I used to watch
12:53Ramen-Z.
12:55Did you watch TV shows
12:57and find your own friends?
12:59I did.
13:01Did you find something interesting?
13:03I was a high school student.
13:05I think it's a blessing
13:07to be able to watch City Boys.
13:09I'm from Tochigi,
13:11so I've never been to such a stage.
13:13I envy the stage.
13:15When I came to Tokyo,
13:17I became an adult.
13:19I went to see Nylon
13:21and Otona Keikaku.
13:23There was a senior who had a part-time job
13:25and wanted to be a comedian.
13:27He asked me what I was watching.
13:29I told him all the comedy shows.
13:31He said,
13:34I should watch City Boys.
13:36I didn't know
13:38if there was such a person.
13:40At first,
13:42I didn't know
13:44how to make people laugh.
13:46I love City Boys,
13:48and I love myself.
13:50When I was doing comedy,
13:52I could understand it right away.
13:54Other comedians
13:56would ask me
13:58why I had to do it
14:00in a low tone.
14:02When I went to Fukuda-san's place,
14:04I was able to do it in that tone.
14:06I think that's a big thing.
14:08Fukuda-san,
14:10what was the first thing you did?
14:12My dad
14:14loves comedy.
14:16He loves it.
14:18Do you know comedy star birth?
14:20Yes, I've heard of it.
14:22If you stay here for 10 weeks,
14:24you'll be a champion.
14:26This week is the 10th week of B&B,
14:28so please leave the school.
14:31My dad loved it.
14:33Really?
14:35He used to make me watch
14:37movies like Crazy Cats.
14:39When I was a kid.
14:41But when I was a college student,
14:43I hated my dad.
14:45Why?
14:47When I was reading
14:49Mitani-san's essay,
14:51he made me watch
14:53Billy Wilder
14:55and other American
14:57well-made comedies.
14:59When I heard that,
15:01I thought,
15:03why did my dad show me
15:05Drift and Crazy Cats?
15:07I hated it so much.
15:09But in the end,
15:11I can't do
15:13what Mitani-san did.
15:15That's what I thought.
15:17When I thought about
15:19what my favorite comedy was,
15:21I thought of American gag comedy.
15:23I was interested in
15:25copying and pasting.
15:28I thought if I did
15:30a gag comedy,
15:32I would be able to
15:34recognize that
15:36Mitani-san is a funny person.
15:38I think that's why
15:40I started to write it.
15:42So, in the end,
15:44you liked it.
15:46Yes.
15:48As a result,
15:50I started to appreciate
15:52what my dad showed me.
15:54I see.
15:56Do you like comedy, too?
15:58More than comedy,
16:00Why did you come to this world?
16:02Originally,
16:04I loved singing.
16:06That's why
16:08I wanted to watch
16:10children's musicals,
16:12ballets, and concerts.
16:14Did your dad show you that?
16:16Yes, he did.
16:18That's a wonderful family.
16:20I'm grateful.
16:22I used to watch
16:25ballet when I was 2 years old.
16:27Oh, I see.
16:29When I was 2 years old.
16:31There was a time
16:33when I wanted to join MOMS.
16:35Once.
16:37Tsunku-san was wondering
16:39when I would join MOMS
16:41for the first boy's audition.
16:43I was waiting for it.
16:45There are not many pro actors.
16:47When I looked in the mirror,
16:49I thought
16:51I should get off the stairs
16:53and dance.
16:55As a child.
16:57That's when I started dancing.
16:59I started dancing
17:01to join MOMS.
17:03That's when I met
17:05Yasuda Yuichi-senpai.
17:07Yasuda-san?
17:09Yes, Yasuda-san.
17:11He told me
17:13that I looked like
17:15I wanted to talk a lot
17:17when I was dancing.
17:19Oh, you were dancing?
17:22He told me I could dance,
17:24sing, and talk.
17:26I was like, really?
17:28That's when I became an actor
17:30when I was 19.
17:32Wow.
17:34What did you do when you were 19?
17:36I was thinking
17:38I wanted to go to Tokyo.
17:40You were in Shizuoka.
17:42I was 20.
17:44I graduated high school
17:46and worked as a contract worker
17:48for a year or two.
17:50I used to joke around
17:52with my partners
17:54and tell them
17:56that I should join Yoshimoto.
17:58That's so cute.
18:00That's when I decided
18:02to join Yoshimoto.
18:04That's when I came to Tokyo
18:06and started looking
18:08for places to perform
18:10and help out.
18:12I couldn't find any
18:14but I found
18:16Shobabuni in Azabu Juba.
18:19When I was there,
18:21they called me Itsuki Hiroshi.
18:23Oh, you were the MC.
18:25I was so into it
18:27that I signed up
18:29for SADA All-Stars.
18:31That's how it all started.
18:33I didn't know that.
18:35I wanted to be an actor
18:37and an actor.
18:39I met a person there
18:41and did a short film.
18:43I went to an audition
18:45for Yoshimoto.
18:47I didn't go to NSC
18:49but I passed the audition.
18:51I made it to Lumine.
18:53I was in Lumine.
18:55I ran away
18:57and thought
18:59that I wanted to find
19:01a good actor.
19:03That's how I joined NSC.
19:05You joined after you left Lumine.
19:07Jiro joined
19:09at the same time
19:11as me.
19:13What?
19:16At first,
19:18he was doing it with a pin.
19:20He was doing something
19:22interesting but
19:24no one understood him.
19:26Everyone thought
19:28that he was doing
19:30something interesting
19:32but he didn't have a guide.
19:34He needed a guide
19:36for Jiro's comedy.
19:38At that time,
19:40neither he nor his partner
19:42had the skills.
19:44When I joined NSC,
19:46I thought that I wanted
19:48more people to know about me.
19:50So, I asked Mr. Hasegawa
19:52to help me.
19:54After that,
19:56I was selected
19:58to join NSC.
20:00I was so happy.
20:02I didn't know
20:04that.
20:08Mr. Hasegawa always wears
20:10a hoodie.
20:13It's his color.
20:15It's like an itch-holer.
20:17It's his wife's policy.
20:19Because he doesn't have a skin,
20:21he wears a hoodie
20:23to show off his skin.
20:25I see.
20:27Basically,
20:29my wife never praises me.
20:31Once,
20:33after I read the script,
20:35on the 10th floor of my apartment,
20:37she said,
20:39don't write such a boring script.
20:41I was so angry.
20:43It was a copy paper.
20:45I was so angry.
20:47Let's say,
20:49I was so angry.
20:51I think you are
20:53the type of person
20:55who likes to be praised.
20:57I think so.
20:59I think so.
21:01I think so.
21:03I think so.
21:05I think so.
21:07I think so.
21:10I think so.
21:12I think so.
21:18Do you have any experience
21:20of raising a child?
21:24Yes, I do.
21:26When my son was 4 years old,
21:28because I was so busy,
21:30we went to New York together.
21:32His friend lived in New York.
21:34I said I'd go to New York.
21:36He said,
21:38He told me that it would be good if I watched at least one musical.
21:41At that time, my son was in trouble.
21:44He was not interested in anything.
21:46He was not interested in playing soccer, golf, or anything else.
21:50I was wondering what he was interested in.
21:54When we went to see Lion King,
21:57my son came back to Japan and asked me to teach him dance and singing.
22:02He said, I want to be a Lion King.
22:06There was a dance school in Yongan.
22:08I told my son to go to the dance school.
22:10There was a boy who was playing the role of a young Simba.
22:14It was his destiny.
22:16I told my son to go to the dance school.
22:18I was in the Lion King for about four years.
22:21I graduated.
22:23I grew taller and had a better voice.
22:26At that time, I was very confused.
22:30I didn't know what to say.
22:33But my dream came true.
22:35Your dream came true.
22:37I don't know what to do from now on.
22:42It was very sudden.
22:45My wife told me to go to the U.S. next year.
22:50She suddenly told me that.
22:52I was surprised.
22:54I told her to go to the U.S.
22:56There is a school where you can study art and theater.
23:00I told her to go there.
23:03When she told me to go to the U.S.,
23:05I thought she was good at running away.
23:09I envy her.
23:11She is a powerful wife.
23:13How about you, Hasegawa?
23:15After this story, how do you feel?
23:17I don't have such an episode.
23:21Are you happy?
23:23I'm fine.
23:25I have a goal.
23:27I want to do a musical with you.
23:30At last.
23:32At last.
23:34I want to do a musical with you.
23:36I heard this song.
23:38I want to do it.
23:40You don't have to go to a restaurant.
23:42You don't have to go to a variety show.
23:44If you go to a strange variety show,
23:46you will be called.
23:48It's dangerous.
23:50I think you should consult with the director.
23:53I think this episode is amazing.
23:59The costume is noisy.
24:01The content is noisy.
24:03It's a good balance.
24:05At first, I tried to suppress it.
24:07I thought it would be better to do something cool.
24:09Fuda-san didn't speak as usual.
24:12Fuda-san didn't speak as usual.
24:14I started talking in a loud voice.
24:16I can't do this.
24:18Have a wonderful day.
24:20Actually, I didn't want to talk about SPIDER-MAN.
24:23I wanted to talk about this alone.
24:27Let's go.