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00:00In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, Assalam-o-Alaikum, we are
00:18going to talk about three different topics.
00:21We will start with a question from one of the senior leaders of Pakistan Justice Movement
00:26who said that a new era is about to begin for Pakistanis.
00:28How hopeful are they that new situations will arise?
00:31Will it be something new or will everything remain the same?
00:34Over the weekend, there was a press conference on behalf of Pakistan
00:37which gave a very strong message to Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf.
00:40In the second segment, we will ask whether everything has improved
00:43between the government and Maulana Fadlur Rehman?
00:46Because Maulana Fadlur Rehman was saying last week that we will come to the streets,
00:50we can come to Islamabad if they don't listen to us.
00:52His insistence on the Madrasa Bill has been fulfilled.
00:55The President has signed it.
00:57But other scholars were also saying that if we listen to them,
01:00then we will come to the streets.
01:02So what happened?
01:03Hopefully, we will talk on behalf of Maulana Fadlur Rehman
01:05and on behalf of other scholars.
01:08And in the last segment of the program, we will talk about two very interesting
01:12test matches in the world of cricket this week.
01:14Very historic.
01:15We will talk to some famous cricketers about it.
01:17Sher Afzal Marwah is one of the senior leaders of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf.
01:21He is a member of the National Assembly.
01:23Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
01:26Wa-Alaikum-o-Alaikum, respected Mr. Badami.
01:28Sir, how are you?
01:29Thank you very much for your time, Mr. Marwah.
01:31Okay, Mr. Marwah, please listen to this.
01:34You express a lot of love for Khawaja Asif.
01:37You also said that you have a lot of respect for him,
01:40but his words never bear fruit.
01:42And he also agreed to it.
01:44What he said about this discussion over the weekend,
01:48please listen to it.
01:51Then I will start with an innocent question.
01:53The whole process of negotiations is going on.
01:55A senior member of the government's bench,
01:57who is also a minister of defence,
01:58is warning his government.
02:00Pay attention.
02:01See what he is saying.
02:06If someone negotiates in the position of power,
02:09his sincerity cannot be doubted.
02:11What has happened in the last 15 days
02:15that the PTI has agreed to the negotiations and is with us?
02:20He was always with the establishment.
02:22Mr. Sadiq is our speaker.
02:24He has a very special relationship with the PTI.
02:27But be careful, don't go rolling.
02:33It's the history of a person,
02:35with whom he has been loyal.
02:36He uses people.
02:38Don't use them.
02:39I am warning you.
02:40Be careful.
02:41Do the negotiations, do it.
02:44I am not against negotiations.
02:46All the power centres in this,
02:48join the negotiations.
02:49Only politicians can do this.
02:54My Punjabi is not so good.
02:55Take care of me.
02:56Don't go rolling.
02:57And so on.
02:58He is warning again and again.
02:59The purpose of running it now is that
03:01a little while ago,
03:02in a television interview,
03:03Mr. Shahzaib,
03:04he repeated this again,
03:05in completely different words.
03:07And he is being surprised,
03:09if you can answer that,
03:10then answer.
03:11He raised the question again,
03:12that brother,
03:13it was 15 days ago,
03:15that he said,
03:16I will not sit with them.
03:17They are puppets.
03:18What happened in 15 days,
03:19that he agreed to sit with us?
03:21So if you answer this,
03:22then maybe it will be a little reassuring.
03:25That what happened in 15 days.
03:26Thank you very much.
03:29Mr. Badami,
03:30I understand that you have asked this question
03:32especially to me,
03:34because these negotiations,
03:36it starts in the parliament,
03:39when I gave a speech on Assamji's floor.
03:42Yes, yes.
03:44After that it started,
03:46and then there was a good exchange of words.
03:52After a long time,
03:53there was a pleasant discussion in the parliament,
03:55your words were appreciated,
03:56both sides praised each other,
03:57and the matter moved forward.
03:58This is exactly what happened.
04:00Yes.
04:01Now,
04:02Khawaja Asif Sahib,
04:03he was the first person,
04:04who said,
04:05that this is like
04:06fresh air,
04:07whatever he said.
04:09Yes.
04:11And after that,
04:12Mian Nawaz Sharif Sahib,
04:14with the consultation of the people's party,
04:16and other allies,
04:17announced his negotiation team.
04:20After that,
04:21there was an initial session,
04:23and now there are going to be negotiations on 2nd.
04:25During this time,
04:26these statements became a little strict.
04:28The Minister of Information,
04:30he gave some such statements.
04:32Then he presented his own charge sheet
04:34against the KP government.
04:38Decisions were taken from the tribunal,
04:40and the workers of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf,
04:42they were given punishments.
04:45Now,
04:46what Khawaja Asif Sahib has stated,
04:48I am a little surprised about it,
04:50because this question is not made,
04:52to ask him to someone else,
04:55except that,
04:56he should ask his leader,
04:57Mian Nawaz Sharif Sahib.
04:59And only he,
05:00can better satisfy him.
05:02However,
05:03his question,
05:04that what happened in 15 days,
05:06that it has come to the table of
05:08the PTI negotiations,
05:09the answer to this question is,
05:11the whole country is surprised,
05:13the media is also surprised,
05:15and Noon and his allies are also surprised.
05:19And the reason for the surprise is that,
05:21we had a constant stance,
05:23and this was basically a big departure,
05:27from the previous stance.
05:30When I was talking about this,
05:32I would like to tell you,
05:34on the assembly floor,
05:36between us and them,
05:38and between the establishment,
05:40negotiations took place,
05:42from time to time.
05:44And unfortunately,
05:46or unfortunately,
05:48in front of the media,
05:50and in front of the public,
05:52this was not accepted.
05:54And I think,
05:56if someone comes forward,
05:58and says,
06:00okay, we are doing these negotiations,
06:02then what is there to hide from people?
06:04On November 26,
06:06the bullet was fired,
06:08and after that,
06:10two things were visible to us,
06:12one is that,
06:14in the future,
06:16the government is ready,
06:18to go in the name of peace and security.
06:20And the second thing,
06:22which is of great concern,
06:24is that if a compromise is made,
06:26on form 47,
06:28then in the future,
06:30the future of the Pakistani democracy,
06:32is very uncertain.
06:34And on these things,
06:36we have benefited a lot,
06:38but the permanent problem,
06:40that is emerging in Pakistan,
06:42then the election,
06:44taking a mandate from the public,
06:46and this system,
06:48will become a joke.
06:50The last thing was that,
06:52in our circle,
06:54in the circle of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
06:56that we should go to D-Chowk,
06:58with full preparation.
07:00And going to D-Chowk,
07:02meant that,
07:04we are understanding that,
07:06on 26th November,
07:08there is a lot of hatred,
07:10among the people,
07:12against the parties,
07:14as well as against the institutions.
07:16And,
07:18I understand that,
07:20if the political instability,
07:22is so clear,
07:24and,
07:26your country is facing,
07:28a lot of instability,
07:30and,
07:32the people are worried,
07:34and the business is down,
07:36what is trying to do is,
07:38to come forward.
07:40You came forward,
07:42now you have come forward,
07:44by the parties,
07:46is that right?
07:48Absolutely,
07:50I said that,
07:52come and tell the people,
07:54why don't we trust the people,
07:56tell them,
07:58and tomorrow,
08:00the people will be blamed,
08:02that you,
08:04in the better future of the country,
08:06in the peace of Pakistan,
08:08you could have played a role,
08:10which you could have played,
08:12intentionally,
08:14so therefore,
08:16I am thankful,
08:18to one person,
08:20Sardar Ayaz Sadiq,
08:22he played a very important role,
08:24and then,
08:26in a phone conversation,
08:28he said,
08:30that some people,
08:32in his own party,
08:34he played a proactive role,
08:36but anyway,
08:38one thing is clear,
08:40that on the 2nd,
08:42when the session ends,
08:44the entire nation,
08:46and I hope,
08:48that the nation,
08:50will get a good news,
08:52on the first day.
08:54Is this your hope,
08:57We both know,
08:59what we have to discuss,
09:01what we have to take,
09:03what we have to give,
09:05but the most important,
09:07is the release of the political prisoners,
09:09and Mr. Khan,
09:11the benefits,
09:13that he was going to take,
09:15have all been fulfilled,
09:17now there is no more purpose,
09:19to keep them in jail,
09:21there is no one to be fulfilled.
09:23Sir, I hope,
09:25that your workers,
09:27will return to their success,
09:29with a good start.
09:31I think,
09:33that the understanding,
09:35should be expressed,
09:37that this is a broader understanding,
09:39and it has been agreed upon,
09:41or it is possible,
09:43that for the political prisoners,
09:45because the release of the prisoners,
09:47is not impossible,
09:49but in one case,
09:51they are released,
09:53if this is stopped,
09:55then the mechanism will be the same,
09:57through the court,
09:59we can say,
10:01that the first step,
10:03will be taken,
10:05regarding the release of the political prisoners.
10:07I am very sure.
10:09Very sure,
10:11and do you expect,
10:13because Mr. Khan's first tweet,
10:15that there should be a time frame,
10:17and then there is this tweet,
10:19that the time frame is 31st January,
10:21do you think,
10:23that these negotiations,
10:25will reach Khizr-e-Malala,
10:27or not?
10:33The issues,
10:35between the parties,
10:37are known to everyone,
10:39and on these issues,
10:41there are 28 days,
10:43from 2nd to 28th February,
10:45or 31st January,
10:47there are 28 days,
10:49so these 28 days,
10:51are more than sufficient,
10:53this is a matter,
10:55of 2 to 3 sessions,
10:57and as we have said,
10:59that the centre of power,
11:01the centre of power,
11:03has to be involved,
11:05without which this issue,
11:07is not going to be solved,
11:09till 2nd,
11:11they are involved,
11:13and after 2nd,
11:15the important issues,
11:17the important issues,
11:19have to be decided,
11:21so what Khwaja Saad Rafiq,
11:23and Rana Saad Nawla,
11:25have said,
11:27it will be in the interest of the country,
11:29that the names,
11:31that they have suggested,
11:33all of them,
11:35should be included,
11:37there should be a gold mace conference,
11:39there should be negotiations,
11:41so that a consensus can be developed,
11:43so that the establishment,
11:45Rana Saad has said,
11:47that there are 7 names,
11:49I will add 3 more,
11:51one is Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif,
11:53one is Asif Zardari,
11:55one is Imran Khan,
11:57if these 3 people sit together,
11:59then the issue of 70 years,
12:01will be solved in 70 days,
12:03how close and reasonable,
12:05do you think this suggestion is?
12:07Our committee,
12:09and Rana Saad's party,
12:11and the people's party,
12:13are sitting according to Rana Saad's wishes,
12:15this means that these negotiations,
12:17are being done on behalf of Rana Saad,
12:19so there is nothing wrong in this,
12:21that if Rana Saad is released,
12:23then the country,
12:25in the 2 years that have passed,
12:27the way Pakistan has come,
12:29now I think,
12:31we all have to get out of our ego,
12:33and prove,
12:35that we want,
12:37to solve these issues in the country,
12:39so I think there is nothing wrong in this,
12:41if Imran Khan,
12:43and these 3 people,
12:45sit together,
12:47and there is a need,
12:49you are saying there is a need,
12:51but do you think this is possible?
12:53Obviously, when Imran Khan,
12:55was in the position of the Minister of Foreign Affairs,
12:57then also he used to grace,
12:59he didn't sit in a meeting like Corona,
13:01he didn't sit in a meeting like Kashmir,
13:03with the opposition,
13:05so do you think the situation is different now,
13:07and will he sit?
13:09I think the situation should change,
13:11Noon and the people's party,
13:13are neither good nor bad,
13:15and in this,
13:17if we sit with them,
13:19then the country,
13:21why should we be stubborn,
13:23that we don't want to sit,
13:25because today,
13:27they have taken power,
13:29the government is theirs,
13:31in the parliament,
13:33they have increased the number,
13:35on their form 47,
13:37the result of which,
13:39came out on 26th November,
13:41if we repeat this,
13:43then I think,
13:45the country,
13:47can't tolerate such tragedies again and again,
13:49there is nothing like this,
13:51and I think,
13:53the instruments, the incidents,
13:55the experiences,
13:57have taught us a lot,
13:59and Noon and the people's party,
14:01have understood a lot,
14:03our establishment,
14:05I will repeat it again,
14:07because of the helplessness,
14:09because of the helplessness,
14:11they have,
14:13as a result of bringing the system,
14:15to this place,
14:17they have become so involved in it,
14:19that now,
14:21to save themselves,
14:23they had to do this,
14:25which they have been doing,
14:27hmmm,
14:29ok, that you people sit,
14:31and find a solution to this,
14:33but I don't think,
14:35that they are doing it happily,
14:37when it started,
14:39and they kept moving forward,
14:41and then,
14:43all the people who got involved,
14:45the violation of human rights,
14:47the signs were snatched,
14:49the mandate was stolen,
14:51these things have increased so much,
14:53that now,
14:55they can't be covered up,
14:57except that,
14:59with an open mind,
15:01you reconcile them,
15:03assume that these things have happened,
15:05and what can be done,
15:07to remove these things,
15:09from the system.
15:11Ok, so the doors of the negotiations,
15:13can they be closed,
15:15with the release of Mr. Khan,
15:17Mr. Marwad?
15:19No, I think,
15:21the first phase of the negotiations,
15:23will be closed with his release,
15:25the remaining doors,
15:27will be closed,
15:29and they will meet,
15:31and an agreement,
15:33will be reached.
15:35Ok, you are saying,
15:37if this happens,
15:39my question was,
15:41will Mr. Khan be released,
15:43you are saying,
15:45this will happen in the first phase,
15:47and in the second phase,
15:49you are pointing towards the reforms,
15:51which the system needs,
15:53so that the culture of co-existence,
15:55moves forward,
15:57Mr. Marwad, I think,
15:59this is very wishful thinking,
16:01Mr. Marwad,
16:03do you think,
16:05that the establishment,
16:07will move away from this position,
16:09which they have expressed,
16:11over the weekend,
16:13that on 9th of May,
16:15without reaching the mastermind,
16:17things cannot get better,
16:19so do you think,
16:21they will move away from this position,
16:23so that they can be released,
16:25because on 9th of May,
16:27if you erase the history of Pakistan,
16:29then whatever has been done,
16:31with PTI,
16:33there is no excuse for that.
16:35But they will let it go,
16:37is it possible,
16:39that they will keep saying,
16:41that Mr. Khan will also stand in his position,
16:43and then both of them,
16:45will look at each other,
16:47and things will move forward,
16:49is it possible,
16:51because there is no doubt,
16:53that under their own needs,
16:55they are handling the situation,
16:57and dealing with it,
16:59and they have also,
17:01fallen so low,
17:03that now,
17:05to move out of this,
17:07is only possible,
17:09when there will be a settlement,
17:11on a wide spectrum.
17:13Yes.
17:15Look,
17:17I am telling you,
17:19this is what the establishment,
17:21was willing to do on 9th of May,
17:23but no one was accepting it,
17:25we used to have discussions,
17:27Noon was also involved in it,
17:29so therefore,
17:31these things are already understood,
17:33the release of Mr. Khan,
17:35and the political leaders,
17:37or the political prisoners,
17:39their release is the first step,
17:41when Mr. Khan will be released,
17:43because they will also wish,
17:45that before the discussions,
17:47Mr. Khan will be present.
17:49And,
17:51if such a thing happens,
17:53will Mr. Khan agree to it,
17:55that if it is said,
17:57that okay,
17:59you have come out of the lines,
18:01but for now,
18:03don't expect,
18:05that we will have elections,
18:07let this system run,
18:09even if we have done it,
18:11a year ago,
18:13xyz,
18:15we will have elections,
18:17this is my personal opinion,
18:21the elections in between,
18:23will probably be left to the situation,
18:25and the recovery of the mandate,
18:27in this regard,
18:29some understanding can be developed,
18:31that,
18:33this Tuesday,
18:35the tribunals,
18:37should be made independent,
18:39because what they have made now,
18:41they have tried to make people,
18:43related to their own party,
18:45okay,
18:47okay,
18:49Mr. Amarwal,
18:51in this whole environment,
18:53if this matter,
18:55is going in the same direction,
18:57which you are saying,
18:59then civil disobedience,
19:01can't it be a spoiler,
19:03can't it give an excuse,
19:05even now, Mr. Khawaja,
19:07you said in the interview,
19:09that he is still saying,
19:11not to send money,
19:13you are saying,
19:15that civil disobedience,
19:17has not started yet,
19:19but some people of your party,
19:21say that the first phase has started,
19:23and we appeal,
19:25to limit the number of
19:27Pakistani citizens,
19:29what is the status of the party,
19:31is there an appeal,
19:33to limit the number of citizens,
19:35or not?
19:37Today,
19:39I received a message from Mr. Khan,
19:41that Mr. Khan,
19:43in view of the negotiations,
19:45complete boycott,
19:47or not to send,
19:49he delayed it,
19:51right,
19:53Khan, for this,
19:55made a limited appeal,
19:57that at least,
19:59send remittances,
20:01he didn't say,
20:03to stop the remittances,
20:05yes,
20:07anyway,
20:09Mr. Khan,
20:11has given a different statement,
20:13and Mr. Khan is worried,
20:15so,
20:17I asked Mr. Gohar,
20:19in his notice,
20:21Mr. Gohar told me,
20:23that Mr. Khan is saying,
20:25that his call,
20:27regarding the remittances,
20:29this is a very obvious thing,
20:31only he can withdraw his call,
20:33no one else can withdraw,
20:35nor amend,
20:37I will tell you one thing,
20:39what message did you receive,
20:41your misunderstanding was cleared,
20:43you were under the impression,
20:45that the remittances,
20:47or not to send,
20:49has not started,
20:51has Mr. Khan's message been clarified,
20:53or not?
20:55Mr. Khan's statement,
20:57or message,
20:59was this,
21:01the statement I gave,
21:03that there is no complete boycott,
21:05there is no complete boycott,
21:07as Mr. Khan stands today,
21:09and that,
21:11the remittances,
21:13you should withhold them,
21:15not all,
21:17but as much as a person can,
21:19according to his capability,
21:21right,
21:23so this,
21:25one question you asked,
21:27that is,
21:29if we,
21:31and other political forces,
21:33and establishments,
21:35do not go towards negotiations,
21:37or we do not
21:39associate all our hopes with negotiations,
21:41then what do we have,
21:43this call for remittances,
21:45will go full-fledged,
21:47and I know,
21:49that overseas Pakistanis,
21:51they will call
21:53Mr. Khan's call,
21:55a loss,
21:57of the economy,
21:59the next step,
22:01will be that,
22:03when we go out again,
22:05for negotiation,
22:07but this time,
22:09we will not accept being killed,
22:11so when we do not accept,
22:13and it is not that,
22:15any state has the authority,
22:17to shoot someone,
22:19or kill someone,
22:21no authority, according to the law,
22:23is with the army,
22:25or with the police,
22:27the first thing that killed us,
22:29in Balochistan,
22:31and in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
22:33the feeling that is spreading,
22:35and the situation on our borders,
22:37which is unbearable,
22:39I understand that,
22:41after our creation,
22:43for the first time in our lives,
22:45we have faced such a severe situation,
22:47God forbid,
22:49if these negotiations
22:51do not succeed,
22:53then I see,
22:55that we will go out,
22:57and this will not end,
22:59in 10, 12, 15 or 20 minutes,
23:01the fire will rise,
23:03the fire will spread,
23:05this should be understood,
23:07already the country,
23:09on any matter,
23:11we do not have anything,
23:13on which we can be proud,
23:15Sir, you are saying that,
23:17if this matter is not resolved,
23:19then your civil disobedience,
23:21will go to the next stage,
23:23your protest will also go to the next stage,
23:25when we started with the government,
23:27they said that,
23:29if someone is agreeing with the position of strength,
23:31then we should not doubt his sincerity,
23:33so if I ask you a question,
23:35as we speak,
23:37you do not doubt the sincerity of the government,
23:39regarding this negotiation,
23:41so what will be your answer?
23:43Honestly,
23:45I will say that,
23:47I do not smell anything,
23:49that we are doubting their honesty,
23:51or I am giving my personal opinion,
23:53same goes for establishment as well?
23:57Establishment,
23:59they always have two,
24:01three,
24:03trichotomy,
24:05they have four or five forms,
24:07so,
24:09I think that,
24:11maybe they need establishment,
24:13and out of helplessness,
24:15they will have to do it.
24:17So, the parties want,
24:19you, the establishment,
24:21to negotiate with the government,
24:23without any hesitation,
24:25let's go.
24:27Thank you very much,
24:29Mr. Sher Afzal Marwat was speaking,
24:31regarding civil disobedience,
24:33and you heard everything,
24:35we will quickly move to our next story,
24:37which you know,
24:39last week,
24:41a big topic was that,
24:43Maulana Fanzul Aiman is very angry with the government,
24:45the summary of which is,
24:47the approval of the 26th amendment,
24:49the way the government wanted,
24:51during this time,
24:53the government had committed to Maulana,
24:55regarding a bill,
24:57then when he went to the night,
24:59the amendment was approved,
25:01but the President of the country,
25:03did not sign on it,
25:05and sent it back,
25:07Maulana felt betrayed,
25:09that we were promised,
25:11then why didn't we follow it?
25:13There was even a time,
25:15when Atta Tarar was sitting in the middle,
25:17Maulana said,
25:19if we don't follow it,
25:21we will die on the streets,
25:23then Maulana met,
25:25the Prime Minister of Pakistan,
25:27and the President of the country,
25:29signed on it,
25:31what was decided,
25:33what was decided here,
25:35and what was decided there,
25:37in all this,
25:39Maulana, along with thanking everyone,
25:41himself,
25:43the senior leader of his Jamaat,
25:45Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum,
25:47Wa-Alaikum-As-Salam,
25:49Sir,
25:51you took out a lot of time,
25:53if we,
25:55without going into the technicalities,
25:57if I can ask you,
25:59is it right to say,
26:01or correct me if I am wrong,
26:03that you said,
26:05that we want to register from here,
26:07the second team,
26:09or the opposing team,
26:11said that we are registered from there,
26:13then in the bill,
26:15the summary of which is,
26:17that you can register from wherever you want,
26:19and they too,
26:21will not have to come here,
26:23but their own system will continue,
26:25is this right?
26:27Ultimately,
26:29you can take it in two ways,
26:31one,
26:33the bill that came on 20th and 21st of October,
26:35and ultimately became an act,
26:37in that, only the registration
26:39was from our side,
26:41and after that,
26:43I think the ordinance must have been issued,
26:45we had agreed on that ordinance,
26:47so,
26:49as a result of that ordinance,
26:51some amendments have been proposed,
26:53and the result of that amendment
26:55will be that,
26:57they too will be able to register
26:59from wherever they want,
27:01and for us,
27:03it has become an act.
27:05Ok, now,
27:07the question is,
27:09you are sitting here,
27:11you are sitting there,
27:13and it is getting complicated,
27:15so it is good that the matter is settled,
27:17but can the affairs of the country
27:19go on like this in the long run,
27:21that there are 100 Madrasas,
27:23so Mr. Badami,
27:25if you want to do it from here,
27:27you can do it from here,
27:29Mr. Kamran,
27:31if you don't want to do it,
27:33you can do it from here,
27:35can it go on like this
27:37in the long run?
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32:19The establishment will be involved in some or the other way, which will not want to come forward.
32:26Now, with the establishment, how much PTI has been made, or after that, as Mr. Khawaja Asif's statement came yesterday,
32:34that stay awake, so that everyone knows that something happens to us.
32:40So now, the establishment also has to keep one out of the two, how can two be put together in today's world?
32:48Okay, not permission for two, but okay.
32:52But how can two be put together in today's world?
32:56It will be a difficult task.
32:57I am joking that if we are talking about two swords in one hand, then everyone else is responsible for their own thoughts.
33:02I understood that answer, I said the same thing that you are saying.
33:07And sir, tell me the last thing in this.
33:10Some friends gave this opinion that, what better wisdom was taken from the PTI,
33:15that the way the government has increased its weight,
33:18not sitting alone in this negotiating table, but with the People's Party, which is not even a technical alliance,
33:24including them, and Mr. Salik is also there, then Mr. Zia, Mr. Ejaz-ul-Haq is also there, then Mr. Fala is also there,
33:30so what a good strategy, if the PTI also has Mr. Achak Zahi or Mr. Maulana's party or some of their representatives,
33:35then it is a good strategy.
33:37Do you think so, or if they offer you this way, or give this suggestion, then?
33:42With the PTI, because we are engaged in the 26th amendment,
33:46so my experience is that as long as their matter is there, then the matters are fine.
33:53The moment that matter is over, then after that, they do not recognize it.
33:58Then you see it till today, that we have not been able to make any opposition within the parliament.
34:06It was the work of the big party, it would have taken everyone along, but it could not take everyone along.
34:11A committee was formed on our part, a committee was formed on their part,
34:15that we will cooperate in the legislation, we will move forward issue to issue.
34:19But you saw that in the 26th amendment also, although everything was done by their will,
34:24but ultimately they did it on the other side, and then they came to collect the benefits themselves.
34:32So I think they will not involve others.
34:37For this, there is a need for anger and anger.
34:42And because there will be an establishment behind this,
34:45and the desire of both sides is that the establishment should be settled between them.
34:51So if the establishment settles something, then everyone will agree to it.
34:56What do they say, they are proud of beauty, we are proud of love.
34:59They can't come, we can't go, but it's okay, everyone has their own place.
35:02Thank you very much.
35:04Thank you very much.
35:05Let's take a break and go to the field.
35:13The season of the game is about to start, so we have started setting the atmosphere for it in the 11th hour.
35:17Inshallah, the Champions Trophy is about to start from 19th February.
35:20Two very interesting test matches of the world of cricket,
35:22which are generally considered to be relatively boring, especially since T20 has increased the mood of cricket.
35:27But there have been two very interesting test matches over the weekend,
35:31Pakistan vs South Africa.
35:33What a great match it was, in which Pakistan scored 211 runs in the first innings.
35:37South Africa scored 301, so they led by 90 runs.
35:41Pakistan started South Africa with a minus 90,
35:44and it also got out at 237.
35:46So that means that South Africa needed 148 runs to win,
35:49and where did they score 301 runs in the first inning.
35:52But after that, a strange thing happened,
35:54on the 27th run, three South Africans got out on the first day,
35:57then the match went on very interestingly.
35:59For a moment, I thought that Pakistan would win the match,
36:01but unfortunately, it didn't happen.
36:02Abbas bowled very well,
36:04Naseem Shah, Khurram Shahzad,
36:06but anyway, Pakistan lost the match with two wins.
36:10Good news for South Africa, regarding the Test Championship.
36:13Everyone enjoyed this match the most.
36:15The second match, was one of the most watched test matches in the world.
36:19In recent history, no test match has been watched as much as this one.
36:24A total of 45,000 spectators came to the ground.
36:28In a test match, everyone watched it housefully.
36:30And in five days, 373,691 spectators watched the match.
36:36This was Australia vs India.
36:39The result didn't come in favour of India.
36:41There were a lot of interesting moments as well.
36:44All of us are big fans of Kohli, he's a big player.
36:47But there was a scene, we didn't enjoy it.
36:50Kohli made this match a cause for controversy.
36:52He deliberately hit the Australian opener,
36:54who was about to make his debut,
36:56and this is what happened.
37:00This is what happened.
37:02Kohli was criticized for this.
37:05Virat Kohli was fined 20% of the match fee,
37:12and he was also charged a demerit point.
37:15There was an emotional moment as well,
37:18when Sunil Gavaskar, a legendary Indian player,
37:21was out of the match.
37:23He kept saying, stupid, stupid, and stupid, three times.
37:27If it had gone on for another three seconds,
37:29Sunil would have said something,
37:30which he wouldn't have been able to say.
37:31He was so angry.
37:33Kamran Akmal is with us.
37:35He will be with us in Harlemba Purdush.
37:36Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
37:38Wa-Alaikum-Salam, Haseen Bhai.
37:40Kamran, tell us about this.
37:41This was an interesting test,
37:43between Australia and India.
37:45We are all fans of Virat Kohli.
37:47You have praised him a lot in Harlemba Purdush.
37:50You have said that there is no player like him in this era.
37:52You have said that this shot of his
37:54can defeat Kohli in the world of cricket.
37:56If he hits against Pakistan.
37:58This moment has disappointed you.
38:00What has become of such a great player?
38:02What has he done?
38:03I have said exactly that.
38:06I don't think anyone else can do such a thing
38:09as Virat Kohli did.
38:11He physically hit the shoulder.
38:13I don't think it should be done.
38:15He is a 19-year-old boy.
38:16It is his debut test match.
38:18Before the test match,
38:20he told Virat Kohli about his favourite player.
38:23You should do this.
38:24Because this is not the level of Virat Kohli.
38:26But the good thing is that he was fined.
38:29He accepted his mistake.
38:30He scored a demerit point.
38:32In future, I think,
38:34no one expects Virat Kohli to do such a thing.
38:38Because he is a big name.
38:39He is a big cricketer.
38:40He is a role model for cricketers.
38:42He is a young player.
38:43He is 19 and 15 years old.
38:44People watch him with passion.
38:46I don't think we can see such a thing in the future.
38:51As far as Sunny Bhai's clip is concerned,
38:54he is absolutely right.
38:57He was the one who made the team fall.
39:01He brought the team under pressure.
39:03This was not the time to play a natural game.
39:06We had to play according to the situation of the team.
39:08We played a bad shot
39:09because of which the team was under pressure.
39:12I think it hurts.
39:14We played 100 test matches for the country.
39:17Then there is the final of the World Test Championship.
39:20There is a lot of pressure.
39:21We have to win.
39:22It's such a stupid shot.
39:23If we play,
39:24sorry, it slipped out of my mouth.
39:25He scored 4 runs.
39:26You scored 5 and completed the story.
39:28I am sorry.
39:29But you know,
39:31there are emotions with the country,
39:33with the team.
39:34What will you say about the match in Pakistan?
39:38I know you will be disappointed.
39:39You will say,
39:40it was good that we won.
39:41Dil-e-Anatama did a good job.
39:43It's okay.
39:44It's okay.
39:45Look,
39:46honestly,
39:48for me,
39:50it was like we won the match at lunch.
39:53Yes.
39:54I talked to the TV.
39:55I congratulated the Pakistan team on my channel.
39:59Because it's such a condition.
40:00There are 8 outs behind us.
40:02The tail is playing.
40:03So the Pakistan team will win
40:05like the rhythm of fast bowlers.
40:07Unfortunately, we couldn't win.
40:09But the team fought.
40:11We got to see a good test match.
40:13The Pakistan team is struggling.
40:15We got a little momentum.
40:17The ODI series has been wide watched.
40:19But we could have done better.
40:20To give a test match to South Africa from here,
40:23understand,
40:24we made our mistake.
40:25They were chocking.
40:27They were doing it.
40:28But we were not grabbing that opportunity.
40:31But in the end,
40:32we ourselves got chocked.
40:33So I think,
40:34unfortunately,
40:35I will say,
40:36but the test match should have been won from here.
40:38The Pakistan team should have won 20-25 runs.
40:40In the camera,
40:41with us,
40:42obviously,
40:43we don't need introductions.
40:44Salman Butt is with us.
40:46Thank you very much, Salman Bhai.
40:48I have the same question for you.
40:49I asked Salman Bhai,
40:50you will say,
40:51okay,
40:52after 148,
40:53it's a good thing that you took the match so far.
40:55Or do you think,
40:56no,
40:57these chockers are from South Africa.
40:58And as far as the match is concerned,
40:59you shouldn't have lost after that.
41:00This is very unfair.
41:02What will you say, Salman Bhai?
41:09Look,
41:10the fight was good.
41:11If to begin with,
41:12we say that Pakistan will win the test match
41:15in these conditions.
41:17So,
41:23Salman,
41:24let's take you on the phone.
41:25Unfortunately,
41:26your voice is still not coming.
41:27Let's take you on the telephone.
41:28Meanwhile,
41:29I will ask Kamran Bhai,
41:30for the Champions Trophy,
41:31do you consider it your favourite?
41:32Obviously,
41:33it would be your wish.
41:34If there is no question of Pakistan.
41:35Do you consider Pakistan your favourite?
41:37Or do you consider the Champions Trophy
41:38to be your favourite?
41:39Look,
41:40I don't have a favourite wish.
41:42Now,
41:43my heart is telling me
41:45that Pakistan will perform well.
41:47Because,
41:48we have won the series with two big teams,
41:50Australia and South Africa.
41:52And we have played very good cricket.
41:54I can see confidence in the Pakistan team.
41:56Now,
41:57I think,
41:58the Pakistan team should become the favourite.
41:59And the other teams
42:00who are coming to play for Pakistan,
42:02they shouldn't take it the way
42:04we have seen them for 5-6 years.
42:06The way they used to take the Pakistan team,
42:08they used to take it very lightly.
42:10But now,
42:11the Pakistan team has confidence.
42:13They have won.
42:14So,
42:15I think,
42:16the Pakistan team will surprise in the Champions Trophy.
42:18Inshallah,
42:19I hope.
42:20The type of series we have played in South Africa.
42:21If it is your favourite,
42:22your natural favourite,
42:23then why are you saying it will surprise?
42:24Then,
42:25losing should be a surprise.
42:26Then,
42:27winning should be expected.
42:28No,
42:29the surprise will surprise the other teams.
42:30The way they were taking the Pakistan team.
42:32Okay.
42:33Right.
42:34Salman Bhai,
42:35tell us about this match.
42:36And then,
42:37I have a question for you.
42:38Which is your favourite team in the Champions Trophy?
42:39Obviously,
42:40it will be Pakistan.
42:41But,
42:42on merit,
42:43which is your favourite team?
42:44Salman Bhai?
42:45Look,
42:46if we start with the Champions Trophy,
42:49then,
42:50I think,
42:51when big matches
42:52or big tournaments come,
42:53Australia becomes a different team.
42:54Okay?
42:55You see,
42:56the ODI World Cup
42:57was won by the subcontinent.
42:58Similarly,
42:59we have won the Test Championship.
43:00Even now,
43:01in the current mindset,
43:02they are a strong unit.
43:04Pakistan,
43:05always in the subcontinent,
43:06can be dangerous to anyone.
43:07And,
43:08let me tell you,
43:09all the matches of India
43:10are on the same station.
43:12You can't even write them out.
43:14Everyone has to play differently.
43:16Firstly,
43:17it's a good team.
43:18Secondly,
43:19all the matches are played at the same place.
43:20So,
43:21I think,
43:22these are the three teams.
43:23And secondly,
43:24on Monday…
43:25India,
43:26Pakistan and Australia?
43:27India,
43:28Pakistan and Australia.
43:29And,
43:30the Guardian has also written
43:31that the Indian teams know
43:32where to knock out.
43:33But,
43:34the rest,
43:35we don't know.
43:36And,
43:37this…
43:38Can you comment on this too?
43:39In the South Africa match,
43:40was it not necessary
43:41to lose from here?
43:42Or,
43:43it's okay
43:44as long as you fought?
43:45Look,
43:46it's good if we fought.
43:47There's no doubt about it.
43:48But,
43:49there are a few things
43:50where we made the same mistake
43:51in the first inning as well.
43:52In the first,
43:53we got a partnership
43:54with the tailhand.
43:55And,
43:56there,
43:57we didn't try
43:58the spin option anywhere.
43:59In the second inning,
44:00two tailhanders were batting.
44:01You didn't hit any bouncers.
44:02And,
44:03we didn't get
44:04Kamal to bowl.
44:05As soon as he bowled,
44:06he bowled hard.
44:07And,
44:08Kamal is an aggressive character.
44:09So,
44:10if he had got
44:11a few bouncers,
44:12I think,
44:13there would have been
44:14a bit of panic.
44:15There would have been
44:16a bit of disturbance.
44:17So,
44:18tactically,
44:19we didn't show
44:20any proactiveness.
44:21And,
44:22both times,
44:23we got hurt
44:24by the runs
44:25of the tailhanders.
44:26First,
44:27the rest of the tail
44:28kept playing with the bosh.
44:29The second time,
44:30Rabada and he played.
44:32But,
44:33did we get any names
44:34who didn't get
44:35a chance like that?
44:36Now,
44:37finally,
44:38they will get a break
44:39and a place in the team.
44:40There won't be
44:41any ifs and buts.
44:42Look,
44:43even before,
44:44if you talk about
44:45Abbas,
44:46he was a regular
44:47performer.
44:48I mean,
44:49he never played
44:50without doing anything.
44:51So,
44:52he went out.
44:53So,
44:54so many people
44:55have changed.
44:56I don't know
44:57who will take
44:58the responsibility
44:59or not.
45:00So,
45:01I think
45:02we never know
45:03who does
45:04such decisions.
45:05But,
45:06there is one more thing.
45:07In Pakistan cricket,
45:08it is said
45:09to remove
45:10a person
45:11who is 30-35 years old.
45:12So,
45:13when a resource
45:14is in the
45:15mature age,
45:16if it is fit,
45:17then it should be
45:18utilized.
45:19It makes a difference
45:20from the rest.
45:21You see,
45:22the players
45:23of Australia
45:24and South Africa
45:25are giving
45:26so many performances
45:27at what age.
45:28And,
45:29we should
45:30discard
45:31such people.
45:32Yes.
45:33Kamran,
45:34I have a question
45:35for you.
45:36Do you know
45:37a few names
45:38who should
45:39be part
45:40of the
45:41upscot?
45:42Because
45:43I am
45:44asking
45:45why
45:46you removed
45:47them
45:48two years
45:49later.
45:50In the
45:51opening,
45:52you can
45:53change
45:54them.
45:55You can
45:56bring
45:57Fokker
45:58and
45:59Abdul
46:00Shafiq
46:01to the
46:02Champions
46:03Trophy
46:04with
46:05Saeem
46:06Ayub.
46:07I think
46:08they are
46:09the best.
46:10Abdullah
46:11Shafiq is
46:12a good
46:13player,
46:14but
46:15his form
46:16is not
46:17good.
46:18So,
46:19you can
46:20bring
46:21them
46:22to the
46:23Champions
46:24Trophy.
46:25Thank you
46:26sir.