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Guests:
- Fawad Chaudhry (Senior Leader)
- Rana Sanaullah Khan PMLN
Govt Muzakrat Ki Baat To kar rahi Magar Uskay Pas Baat Krne Ka Ikhtiyar Hai? |
Punjab Assembly approves massive 426% salary hike for MPAs | Muhammad Malick's Analysis
"Hukumat Ko suit Hi Nahi karta Kay Siyasi Para Neeche Aye..." Fawad Chaudhry's Statement
"Govt Ju Bhi Bat Kare, Establishment Ko Onboard Rakhegi...", Rana Sanaullah
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- Rana Sanaullah Khan PMLN
Govt Muzakrat Ki Baat To kar rahi Magar Uskay Pas Baat Krne Ka Ikhtiyar Hai? |
Punjab Assembly approves massive 426% salary hike for MPAs | Muhammad Malick's Analysis
"Hukumat Ko suit Hi Nahi karta Kay Siyasi Para Neeche Aye..." Fawad Chaudhry's Statement
"Govt Ju Bhi Bat Kare, Establishment Ko Onboard Rakhegi...", Rana Sanaullah
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:16There is only one news going on.
00:18Where will the conversation reach?
00:20Will there be a conversation?
00:22No, there won't be.
00:24First of all, the interesting thing is that
00:26Do you remember, first of all, he announced that
00:28this campaign of civil disobedience
00:30will be on
00:32and the money sent from outside
00:34will be stopped.
00:36Today, he again announced
00:38after meeting Mr. Khan
00:40that he has postponed
00:42this phase of civil disobedience
00:44for a few days
00:46at the behest of the party and the rest of the people.
00:48He didn't end it, he just postponed it
00:50to see if there is a conversation or not.
00:52The conversation is going on in an interesting loop.
00:54In English, it has come a full circle.
00:56There was a time when Khansa was in power
00:58and these people used to plead
01:00that they won't talk.
01:02He used to say that if I talk to these thieves,
01:04I won't even shake hands with them.
01:06Anyway, then the government fell.
01:08Then these people offered again.
01:10Mr. Shahbaz and the rest
01:12also threatened.
01:14Then, now we saw
01:16when it happened on 9th May,
01:18then it happened on 26th May, everything happened.
01:20Now PTI is very keen
01:22to talk.
01:24Earlier, PTI had a lot of conditions.
01:26If we talk, we will only talk to the army.
01:28Then it happened that if the army
01:30nominates a handler, we will talk to him.
01:32Then when it came to talking,
01:34preconditions were also made
01:36that at least these three conditions
01:38will be discussed first.
01:40Now, Mr. Ayub has said
01:42that we will only talk to the angels.
01:44But if we look at the government,
01:46it seems that the government is on its own
01:48and is not ready to get down.
01:50Sometimes this condition,
01:52sometimes that condition,
01:54now the question is what will happen?
01:56We will talk about what will happen.
01:58I shared the news with you yesterday
02:00that according to my plan,
02:02where it matters,
02:04it has been decided at the highest level
02:06that until the decision of Imran Khan
02:08on the 9th May case is not made,
02:10there will be no discussion.
02:12And there is only one decision left
02:14and there is still some discussion
02:16about whether
02:18Imran Khan's trial should be
02:20held in the ATC,
02:22which will be an open trial,
02:24civil court or military court.
02:26There are two arguments
02:28being made on this.
02:30One argument is that if it is held
02:32in an open court,
02:34there will be more legitimacy
02:36and more acceptability
02:38because it will be an open court
02:40and arguments will be heard.
02:42But then there is a moment
02:44when there will be debates
02:46in newspapers and social media
02:48that this argument is weak
02:50and this is how it is.
02:52And secondly, if there is a decision
02:54in the military court,
02:56then you have to make a decision
02:58and then there will be a limited
03:00debate on it.
03:02But it is expected that
03:04the punishment will be in both.
03:06And now the consequences
03:08are being weighed,
03:10whether to go here or there.
03:12But we don't go there.
03:14There were a lot of developments
03:16today, especially
03:18Sher Afzal Marwat,
03:20who is a very fiery speaker
03:22of PTI, gave a speech
03:24in the House.
03:26Why not make a committee
03:28of both sides
03:30and start a dialogue
03:32in it.
03:34Khawaja Asif Sahib
03:36also raised that issue.
03:38He said that there was a fresh
03:40wave of air and then
03:42he spoke for a long time
03:44and he told the whole procedure
03:46that you go to the speaker
03:48and talk to the speaker
03:50and if you talk about formal dialogue
03:52then we will tell the speaker
03:54to talk to the Prime Minister
03:56and allies and then we will proceed.
03:58The issue is
04:00whether the government has the power
04:02to talk about it or not
04:04and why I am saying
04:06that there is a reason for it.
04:08So we will talk about these
04:10issues.
04:12We will also have Fawad Chaudhry
04:14with us today.
04:16He is the first person
04:18from the top leadership
04:20of the old guard
04:22who has met Imran Khan
04:24twice.
04:26We will talk to him later.
04:28But first
04:30I would like to mention
04:32one more thing.
04:34It is a good news for the people of Punjab
04:36that their days are turning.
04:38I meant the days of their leaders are turning.
04:40Right now
04:4240% of the population is below the poverty line.
04:44That means 10 crore people
04:46do not know whether they can eat
04:48their next meal or not.
04:50And 56% of the population
04:52is in Pakistan.
04:54The population of the whole country.
04:56But what bill has been presented in Punjab today?
04:58The Parliamentary Secretaries,
05:00the ministers,
05:02the special assistants
05:04etc.
05:06They have increased their salary
05:08by 860%.
05:10860%.
05:12That means 900 times.
05:14If you had 1000,
05:16now you have 9000.
05:18And the MPs,
05:20they have increased their salary
05:22by 426%.
05:24The Deputy Speaker
05:26had a salary of 120,000.
05:28Now it is 775,000.
05:30The Parliamentary Secretaries
05:32had 83,000
05:34and now it is
05:36450,000.
05:38The special assistants and advisors
05:40had 100,000
05:42and now it is 665,000.
05:44The MPs
05:46had 76,000
05:48and now they have
05:50400,000.
05:52Asma Bukhari, the Information Minister of Punjab
05:54said in a speech
05:56to the media
05:58that the old salary
06:00can be spent.
06:02First of all,
06:04these people are not poor.
06:06These people have spent
06:08crores of rupees
06:10in their elections.
06:12When you see their motorcades,
06:14you see a V8 in front
06:16which is a car worth 14 crores.
06:18There are 2-3 pulses behind it
06:20which are worth 3-4 lakhs.
06:22There are 10-12 gunmen
06:24sitting inside it.
06:26Look at their lifestyle.
06:28Maybe they don't know
06:30what is the difference
06:32between a public service
06:34and a career.
06:36They have come to public service
06:38to change their lives.
06:40But they have realized
06:42that the lives of others
06:44have not changed.
06:46You can justify everything.
06:48How can you justify this
06:50when people are selling their jewellery
06:52and taking out loans
06:54just to pay their electricity
06:56and gas bills.
06:58How are they spending
07:00the taxpayer's money?
07:02When you look at the taxes,
07:04the majority of them
07:06are not taxed.
07:08The tax rate
07:10that you and I
07:12pay every year
07:14is 40%.
07:16We get up to 40% tax cut.
07:18We are doing it
07:20so that the MPA
07:22who is a millionaire
07:24gets 4 times his salary.
07:26The deputy speaker
07:28gets 900 times his salary.
07:30In these circumstances,
07:32the economy is fine
07:34and everyone is fine.
07:3640% of the population
07:38are below the poverty line.
07:4010 crore people
07:42don't know what to eat.
07:44We will say that nothing will happen.
07:46The bill will be passed
07:48and it will be justified.
07:50Mr. Fawad Chaudhary,
07:52thank you very much for joining us.
07:54You have been revived.
07:56You are back in the party.
07:58You will be back
08:00in the army of Bukla.
08:02Let's listen to the dialogue
08:04between the two sides.
08:06Then you can tell me
08:08if there will be a dialogue or not.
08:24A joke is being made.
08:26We want to have a dialogue.
08:28We want to settle the matter through a dialogue.
08:30There is still a call for civil disobedience.
08:32They are telling us to talk to them.
08:34They have seen that
08:36they cannot be benefited
08:38in any other way.
08:40There is no formal dialogue.
08:42Let's see what the situation is.
08:44We want to have a dialogue today.
08:46You told us to talk to them today.
08:48Otherwise, we will start civil disobedience.
08:50Don't hang a sword on our heads.
08:52The door of dialogue
08:54should never be closed.
08:56We are ready to have a discussion.
08:58If you talk about an initiative,
09:00then at least
09:02there can be no jokes
09:04on the gun point.
09:06You attack Islamabad again and again.
09:08Along with that, call for civil disobedience.
09:10And there will be jokes about it.
09:12Is it not possible
09:14that we make a committee
09:16of these people?
09:18What are the mistakes?
09:20Is it not our duty
09:22to remove this country
09:24from this situation?
09:26You have never
09:28said a word.
09:30We have made this committee.
09:32This committee
09:34can give an official
09:36and serious message
09:38to the government.
09:40This is a serious committee
09:42and we want to have a political dialogue.
09:44We don't do anything by ourselves.
09:46Khan Sahib understands everything.
09:48Khan Sahib is the one
09:50who made this committee.
09:52He talked about jokes.
09:54Khan Sahib has answered
09:56some of our demands.
09:58If we go ahead with this,
10:00then we have been saying
10:02for a long time
10:04that we will have to
10:06find a political solution.
10:08God willing, we will find a solution.
10:10We will find a solution.
10:12We will find a solution.
10:14This is the same story
10:16that we have been telling.
10:18This is a non-starter.
10:20There is no clear plan
10:22of what to do
10:24and what not to do.
10:26There is no starting point
10:28and no finish point.
10:30Why is Shahbaz Sharif
10:32in the government today?
10:34Did he win the election?
10:36The answer is no.
10:38Is he popular?
10:40The answer is no.
10:42Is his foreign policy
10:44The answer is no.
10:46He is in the government
10:48because Imran Khan
10:50and the establishment
10:52are fighting each other
10:54on non-issues.
10:56Neither are they able
10:58to support the establishment
11:00nor are they able to
11:02shoulder the responsibility
11:04of the establishment.
11:06Who is responsible for the fight
11:08if there are non-issues?
11:10The government of Shahbaz Sharif
11:12does not suit the government
11:14of Imran Khan.
11:16The government of Shahbaz Sharif
11:18will always fight
11:20so that the temperature
11:22rises.
11:24This is a simple formula.
11:26The question is
11:28what is the status
11:30of the people
11:32in the system?
11:34Is there a position
11:36of KP's chief minister?
11:38I will tell you
11:40why I ask you.
11:42He has
11:44said
11:46that he will bring
11:48weapons.
11:50They give him an excuse
11:52to reject him.
11:54They give him an excuse
11:56but they do not appreciate it.
11:58To be fair with Ali Ameen Gandapur
12:00you are also stuck there.
12:02On one hand you are the chief minister
12:04and you have to work
12:06with the establishment
12:08but on the other hand
12:10you are under the pressure
12:12of the constituency.
12:14You have not been given the vote
12:16for governance.
12:18You have been given the vote
12:20to remove Imran Khan.
12:22I am in the opposition
12:24and I am in the government.
12:26I have won the lottery.
12:28No, you have not won the lottery.
12:30If you had won the lottery
12:32you would have been sleeping
12:34peacefully at night
12:36but this is not the case.
12:38He is getting FIRs every morning
12:40and he is being told
12:42what to do.
12:44He is in a difficult position
12:46to be fair with.
12:48Now the problem is
12:50that Shahbaz Sharif
12:52is enjoying
12:54this chess game.
12:56Otherwise,
12:58Pakistan is losing
13:00badly.
13:02But you have said
13:04that there is a fight
13:06over non-issues.
13:08Who is responsible for this?
13:10Talk to the establishment
13:12and they will tell you.
13:14The official handle
13:16who abuses the army chief
13:18and his family,
13:20is he responsible for this?
13:22Is Khan's aggressive attitude
13:24responsible for this?
13:26Or is the other side
13:28just like that?
13:30Who is responsible?
13:32When I met Mr. Khan
13:34I told him
13:36that we are politicians.
13:38We cannot
13:40carry guns and
13:42climb the mountains.
13:44If we get space,
13:46we can do politics.
13:48This is a different matter.
13:50These people should think
13:52that when people like us
13:54who cannot carry arms
13:56will be replaced
13:58by people who have sugarcane.
14:00This happened in Balochistan,
14:02in Afghanistan,
14:04in KPK parts.
14:06This is the history of the world.
14:08People like us,
14:10PTI people,
14:12PMLN and People's Party
14:14have a big advantage.
14:16They are non-militant people.
14:18They talk about the federation
14:20and Pakistan.
14:22It is important for them
14:24to be in politics.
14:26The personalised attacks
14:28are causing a lot of problems.
14:30If we
14:32criticize the policy
14:34then Mr. Khan
14:36has a point of view.
14:38He says that this is right.
14:40There should not be a personalised attack.
14:42No one should be attacked.
14:44But the problem is that
14:46the atrocities that have happened
14:48in the last two years,
14:50the way you have treated women
14:52and children.
14:54There is a lot of destruction in Punjab.
14:56If there are 35-40-50 lakh people
14:58in a family,
15:00then there must be at least
15:025-50 lakh people in a family.
15:04It is sad.
15:06There is another big problem.
15:08I have a big role
15:10in making social media
15:12in Pakistan
15:14from 2016 onwards.
15:16There are people
15:18who make it and people who spread it.
15:20Our friends
15:22from this side of social media
15:24do not know much about social media.
15:26You and I have an advantage.
15:28We have not been doing any work for years.
15:30We sit every night and
15:32analyze this.
15:34We are involved in
15:36the creation and destruction
15:38of half of the governments.
15:40We have been observing
15:42from 1993 onwards.
15:44The people who spread it
15:46are behind it.
15:48They are not the people who make it.
15:50They are sitting outside.
15:52Let's leave the rest.
15:54I am talking about other content.
15:56The official handle
15:58is yours.
16:00I 100% agree with you.
16:02I have told Mr. Khan
16:04that even if I meet him again,
16:06I will tell him that I want
16:08him to bring his Twitter handle to Pakistan.
16:10When it comes to Pakistan,
16:12it will be language controlled.
16:14It will not be personalized.
16:16There will be a lot of difference
16:18in bringing down the temper.
16:20There is another problem.
16:22We politicians and journalists
16:24have been in the public eye for a long time.
16:26We have been teased for a long time.
16:28Here, people's exposure
16:30is not that big.
16:32They feel like a bullet.
16:34I totally understand that
16:36psychology.
16:38Until it comes down,
16:40there is a problem on the other side.
16:42Look at what is happening with Mr. Khan.
16:44Imran Khan, former Prime Minister,
16:4670% of his death cell
16:48is switched off.
16:50He has been sitting for weeks
16:52without electricity.
16:54The TV is switched off.
16:56There are no newspapers.
16:58Just imagine the psychological
17:00effects.
17:02He will react.
17:04The problem is
17:06that the whole of Pakistan
17:08is suffering because of this.
17:10If you expect this kind of behavior
17:12from Imran Khan,
17:14then you should also
17:16be prepared for normal behavior.
17:18The day this starts,
17:20there is no rest.
17:22There is only one step left.
17:24This should happen.
17:26Another step of PTI
17:28is that you have to
17:30assure the People's Party
17:32and Noon that
17:34the two years with us will not happen with you.
17:36But in that,
17:38Mr. Khan's wife
17:40recorded a statement.
17:42She clearly said
17:44that you are getting
17:46a message or not.
17:48But I am telling you
17:50that Mr. Khan has no intention
17:52to come to power.
17:54There is no vengeance.
17:56This needs to be reassured.
17:58There is a lot of mistrust
18:00on both sides.
18:02What did Sheikh Rishi say yesterday?
18:04He said there is no point in
18:06these talk-shows.
18:08This is a grave.
18:10People used to say this about Bhutto and Jalla.
18:12No, there is no such thing.
18:14There is no fight at all.
18:16What fight?
18:18There is no problem
18:20of killing.
18:22There is no problem at all.
18:24In hindsight,
18:26the biggest mistake
18:28was made by
18:30Asad Umar,
18:32Pravesh Khattak and me.
18:34When Mr. Khan
18:36insisted to end the contacts,
18:38we ended the contacts.
18:40There was Imran and Ali Zaidi.
18:42We were friends.
18:44But the demand was not wrong.
18:46He is an elected prime minister.
18:48He is a democracy.
18:50If he feels that
18:52he should answer to those
18:54who want to answer to him,
18:56then the demand was not wrong.
18:58No, the demand was not wrong.
19:00But the problem is that
19:02there is a real politics
19:04which you use the most
19:06and there is a traditional
19:08When our contacts ended,
19:10there were only contacts
19:12of Mohsin Naqvi and Ahmed Malik.
19:14They were only against us.
19:16They were against us for 24 hours.
19:18They fed things against Imran Khan.
19:20They did this and that.
19:22They wake up in the morning and
19:24sleep at night.
19:26After all, they are humans.
19:28They think that
19:30they are very bad people.
19:32They are against us.
19:34Although Imran Khan said
19:36that it is my right.
19:38But when the direct contact
19:40ended,
19:42like the way
19:44you put water in lassi
19:46and lassi becomes dirty,
19:48the fight continues.
19:50But now the problem is
19:52that Pakistan is at a juncture
19:54where...
19:56What should we do now?
19:58Do you think these talks
20:00are bad?
20:02When we sit together,
20:04for example, you will remember
20:06when Shah Mehmood Qureshi,
20:08Ali Zafar and I were talking
20:10about the elections,
20:12the situation was very bad.
20:14But we had taken the elections.
20:16Before that, we had created
20:18a judicial commission in PTI.
20:20So when we sit together,
20:22things get better.
20:24The only thing is that
20:26I don't think Shahbaz Sharif
20:28is interested in the success
20:30of the talks.
20:32I think we should take back
20:34the talks and work behind the scenes.
20:36Lower the temperatures.
20:38That will be more fruitful
20:40to play the talks.
20:42What is the biggest problem
20:44of Pakistan?
20:46The problem is that
20:48in the 800-900 years of
20:50the history of big democracy,
20:52what did you do?
20:54You made ways of conflict resolution.
20:56You said that the government
20:58will do what it wants.
21:00You have ended all institutions in Pakistan.
21:02The elections were held on 8th,
21:04and you changed the result on 9th.
21:06The elections were held on 8th,
21:08and the selection was on 9th.
21:10You have also made a mess of
21:12the judges of anti-terrorism
21:14who tried to act on the law.
21:16What happened to the judges
21:18of Chief Justice Law,
21:20Islamabad High Court.
21:22You have ended the Supreme Court.
21:24I have to end this segment.
21:26You tell me,
21:28I don't see anything happening.
21:30I don't think it is a problem
21:32to start the talks.
21:34I think Mr. Khan should
21:36talk here and
21:38fix the relations there.
21:40You have said a very good thing.
21:42This is your advice.
21:44I think if you meet 2-3 times,
21:46the temperatures will come down.
21:48I will convince him.
21:50Let's take a break.
21:52After the break,
21:54let's see what Mr. Rana Sanalwa
21:56has to say.
21:58Stay with us.
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26:38This is what the political parties have to say in the end.
26:43In the parliamentary democratic system, the ruling party and the opposition party
26:51are like two wheels of a car, they have to run in parallel.
26:55Without this, this system cannot run.
26:58Either you bring some other system.
27:01There are many other systems in the world.
27:03There is a presidential system, there is a system in China,
27:07there is a system in other countries according to their circumstances.
27:12Then you can run in that direction.
27:14But if you want to run a parliamentary democratic system,
27:18then if you say that you have been waiting for a long time,
27:22then you say that I don't want to talk to the opposition.
27:24And if you are in the opposition, then you say that I don't want to talk to the government.
27:28This cannot work.
27:29You will have to talk.
27:31Okay, whatever you don't like, you don't have to listen.
27:34No one will forcefully put a thumbprint on you.
27:40So, as a political worker, I have seen in my previous experience
27:49that whenever politicians sit down, the issues are resolved.
27:54No, no, you are absolutely right.
27:56I asked because he said that no one will talk to him.
28:00He did not say that we will not talk, the institution will not talk.
28:04He said that no one will talk to him.
28:06And you always talk openly.
28:08No, he meant the institution.
28:11He clearly said about political parties that political parties should talk to each other.
28:20Because I am asking you because you always talk openly to a dangerous extent.
28:26You must remember that I asked you a question a few programs ago
28:31that who is under whom?
28:33Listen, your answer was very interesting.
28:38Mr. Shah, you said that when Bushra Bibi spoke, the institutions should respond to her.
28:43According to the constitution, the institutions are under you.
28:46You can ask whether they are under you or you are under the institutions.
28:52You know this, I know this.
28:55If there is no ambiguity, then what is there to explain?
29:01Your answer is very interesting.
29:04You know this, I know this.
29:09Mr. Hirana, you spoke openly about the political reality of Pakistan.
29:14I want to ask you that can there be any meaningful talks in such a background?
29:22A few minutes ago, he received a message from the official handle.
29:26When we meet, there are statements.
29:29He said that I am postponing the civil disobedience movement for a few days.
29:33During this time, I will decide on the direction of the movement and the timeline.
29:37But he said that there are seven reasons
29:40because of which it is necessary to start the civil disobedience movement.
29:44And the things are the same.
29:46You have made a judicial commission against which you are also against.
29:49Leave the prisoners.
29:51You say they are not political prisoners.
29:53They are criminals.
29:54You are there too.
29:55Then there are talks about the election.
29:57The election was stolen.
29:59One, he said that I want to meet the opposition leaders in jail.
30:04So the government should also allow me.
30:06Let's start from here.
30:07Will you allow the opposition leaders to meet?
30:10Like Mr. Achak Jai, Mr. Akhtar Mingle and a few others.
30:15Will the government allow Mr. Achak Jai and Mr. Akhtar Mingle to meet Imran Khan?
30:20Because this can also promote dialogues.
30:23No, first of all, all the people who are meeting Mr. Imran Khan,
30:29are they meeting with the permission of the government?
30:33No.
30:34The court has allowed them.
30:36Islamabad High Court has allowed them.
30:38I don't think that if any of the respected politicians and parliamentarians
30:45whom you have named,
30:47if anyone of them wants to meet, then he has to meet according to this.
30:51Yesterday you stopped him.
30:54You did not allow Ali Min Gandapur to meet.
30:57No, Mr. Gandapur did not go with permission.
31:02The people who have been going with permission, have been meeting.
31:06They will continue to meet in the future.
31:08The permission can be given by the government as well as the court.
31:14The government has no authority over this.
31:18The government cannot meet those who are not allowed.
31:22The government can give permission to those who are not allowed.
31:25The government can give permission to those who are not allowed by the court.
31:30These are the two things.
31:32No one has the authority.
31:33In your opinion, should they be allowed to meet?
31:36I don't think there is a problem.
31:41There is no difference in meeting.
31:46But how do I know if Maulana Fazlur Rahman wants to meet or not?
31:52How do I know if Maulana Fazlur Rahman wants to meet or not?
31:56I don't think Maulana Fazlur Rahman wants to meet you.
31:59Mr. Khan must be in the back seat.
32:02He must be upset with you.
32:04I will talk to you about that as well.
32:07I went to meet him a few days ago.
32:09He met me in a very good way.
32:12He met me with a very good heart.
32:23The PTI has put all its demands in front of you.
32:30If the government is sitting at the table,
32:33what does the government want?
32:35What is the agenda of the government?
32:37What is the agenda of the government?
32:42We will tell them what we want.
32:47When they sit in front of us and make demands,
32:53we will respond to their demands.
33:00Today, I was in the House.
33:03Mr. Afridi's speech in my presence,
33:08the way he has made his position clear,
33:13he has never done this before.
33:16I did not find it appropriate to contradict him.
33:22But when they sit in front of me,
33:26I will remind them of certain things.
33:29If this was the case,
33:36you should not have said this.
33:43When they sit in front of me,
33:46I have a lot of material to keep in front of me.
33:54I will sit there and talk.
33:57Your party members say that
34:01Imran Khan is very keen on this.
34:04Talal Chaudhry and others were saying the same.
34:06Because there is a risk of punishment.
34:09Imran Khan has already been punished in many cases.
34:14He has been punished by the High Court.
34:19If there are two more punishments,
34:21it is possible that the High Court will break those punishments.
34:24Why is there so much emphasis on dialogue?
34:28Do you doubt the intention of the PTI?
34:31Do you think they really want dialogue?
34:34Or do they just want to reduce the pressure?
34:37I think that the parliamentary system
34:43needs to have a dialogue between the parties.
34:52When we used to say in 2019-2020
34:59that they should sit and talk,
35:02we were also told the same thing.
35:05Now there are cases against them.
35:08Now they have to be punished.
35:10They have to do this. They have to do that.
35:13The matter is that whatever had to happen,
35:16it happened in its place.
35:18Despite this, we kept talking.
35:26We had meetings in the Speaker's House all night long.
35:32Whether they got a result or not is a different matter.
35:38But their senior leadership,
35:42and our senior leadership,
35:45kept sitting and talking.
35:48We meet them every day in the Speaker's House and Speaker's Chamber.
35:55We talk to them every day.
35:57Mr. Fawad Chaudhary said something interesting.
36:00He said that the government is stealing our elections.
36:05And this will only happen in the government
36:08as long as there is a war between us and the army.
36:12That is why they will never let the dialogue succeed.
36:15What is the use of a successful dialogue?
36:18No, listen to me.
36:21Mr. Fawad Chaudhary was talking about the present
36:24or about his time?
36:26He was talking about the present.
36:28Because the government had already stolen the elections.
36:33And the government was still sitting
36:36until there was a fight with the establishment.
36:39The day there was a fight, the government left.
36:42So was he talking about the present or the past?
36:45He was talking about the present,
36:47but the formula is the same.
36:49That is why he was talking about the present.
36:52Then, Mr. Malik, the point is that
36:55what is the use of changing the topic?
37:00It is very simple.
37:03Political forces, political parties, political leadership
37:09will continue to exist until they
37:13do the Charter of Democracy.
37:16You said that if there is no dialogue,
37:19if both do not work together,
37:22then the democratic system will not work.
37:27Do you think that the current situation
37:31with the PTI, the protests,
37:34the lack of confidence,
37:36the civil disobedience,
37:38which they have not called off yet,
37:40do you think that the situation can reach
37:43the point where the entire system is destroyed?
37:48No, the system will not be destroyed.
37:53The thing is that between the Muslim League
37:57and the People's Party,
37:59this work was not going on for 10-15 years.
38:02After 10-15 years, it was understood,
38:05and then the Charter of Democracy was established.
38:08Then the situation got better.
38:13After that, Mr. Imran Khan came
38:15and started his work again.
38:17The same thing that was going on for 10-15 years.
38:20What can the Charter of Democracy be?
38:23Mr. Imran Khan, what kind of Charter of Democracy?
38:26I am taking a break.
38:28After the break, I would like to know
38:30what the Charter of Democracy will be like.
38:33Will it be like, let's go for 3 years,
38:35let's do these things together,
38:37let's change the laws, let's do that,
38:39let's get the early elections done,
38:41so that they also get something,
38:43so that you also give something.
38:45Are you seeing any such Charter of Democracy?
38:47We will talk about this after the break.
38:51Welcome back.
38:53Before the break, I was asking Mr. Rana
38:55what the Charter of Democracy could be like.
38:58Because the first Charter of Democracy
39:00was a very beautiful document.
39:02But later we saw that all those parties
39:04again went to Pindi,
39:06made a friendship with the army,
39:08got someone to fight.
39:10Ultimately, that too is a Charter of Democracy.
39:12Now, unfortunately, only the documents are left.
39:14What can happen here, Mr. Rana?
39:16What will happen that you will agree
39:18that civilians cannot be trialled,
39:20leave the women,
39:22what will be your Charter of Democracy
39:24in big things?
39:26No, look, Mr. Malik,
39:28everything can be undervalued,
39:30what can this be,
39:32what can that be,
39:34that can be discussed.
39:36But when the Charter of Democracy
39:38happened between the People's Party
39:40and the PMLN,
39:42for example,
39:44Respected Benazir Bhutto
39:46and Mr. Mian Washi
39:48signed the Charter of Democracy.
39:50So there was a lot of
39:52political stability
39:54in the country.
39:56And after that,
39:58although 100%
40:00does not apply to anything,
40:02but after that,
40:04the mandate of each other
40:06was respected.
40:08Space was given to each other.
40:10And a lot of things
40:12that used to happen in the 90s
40:14did not happen again.
40:16A lot of things were
40:18excused.
40:20A lot of things,
40:22in fact, such words
40:24were taken back
40:26that we
40:28were excused
40:30for what we said
40:32in Joshi Khatabat.
40:34So the matter is
40:36that, for example,
40:38if you think that
40:40the Charter of Democracy
40:42is going to happen now,
40:44the first thing is that
40:46the PTI is doing propaganda.
40:48Tell me,
40:50can there be any reconciliation
40:52or reconciliation
40:54in the presence of that propaganda?
40:56They taunt us
40:58that you are not
41:00leaving our people,
41:02you have done this, you have done that.
41:04For example,
41:06they say that the establishment
41:08is not ready to talk to us.
41:10They say that
41:12you are not only doing propaganda,
41:14but you are also doing planning.
41:16You say that
41:18they should apologize on 9th May.
41:20You make programs
41:22to raise the storm on social media.
41:24So in such a situation,
41:26who will talk to you?
41:28How will the matter
41:30improve?
41:32For example, the issue of 9th May is very big.
41:34The army is also saying that
41:36you should first apologize
41:38on 9th May.
41:40They say that you should make
41:42a Judicial Commission.
41:44We will apologize
41:46if we are guilty.
41:48They do not deny it.
41:50No, they are not guilty.
41:52Their stance is that
41:54we are not guilty.
41:56The matter is that
41:58the whole world knows.
42:00If the Judicial Commission
42:02comes and the whole world knows,
42:04then the Judicial Commission
42:06will apologize.
42:08Mr. Malik, these are just excuses.
42:10These are just excuses.
42:12You are saying that
42:14what will be the dialogue?
42:16We will start from here.
42:18We will start from here.
42:20Leave the Judicial Commission
42:22on the table.
42:24If we prove them that
42:26they were your people,
42:28then they will answer us.
42:30If we cannot do it,
42:32then we will believe them.
42:34Mr. Malik,
42:36these things
42:38are not our business.
42:40Mr. Malik,
42:42there is only one way
42:44to negotiate.
42:46They will come to the Speaker
42:48and say that they will
42:50come with an open agenda.
42:52First, we will sit down
42:54and then we will set the TOR.
42:56Then we will talk.
42:58This is the only way to talk.
43:00Mr. Malik,
43:02if
43:04till today
43:06Imran Khan's
43:08position
43:10is that
43:12we do not want to
43:14talk to you
43:16and the government.
43:18When we were in the opposition,
43:20he used to say that
43:22we do not want to talk to you.
43:24We used to believe in the dialogue
43:26and talk about it.
43:28Even now, they say
43:30that we do not want to talk to you.
43:32We want to talk to the establishment.
43:34If they have formed
43:36this committee
43:38and they are
43:40talking here and there
43:42that we are ready to talk
43:44to everyone,
43:46then do they feel ashamed
43:48to say that we are ready
43:50to talk to you?
43:52If the Prime Minister
43:54on the floor of the House
43:56said that we are ready
43:58to talk to you,
44:00when he abused you,
44:02the speech that Umar Ayub
44:04gave at that time,
44:06you saw it.
44:08For dialogue,
44:10you will have to do something.
44:12If they feel
44:14ashamed to say this to us,
44:16then they go to the Speaker
44:18every day.
44:20They discuss their issues there every day.
44:22And the Speaker
44:24has a position
44:26that is really
44:28unknown.
44:30He has to take the opposition
44:32with him.
44:34Mr. Rana, the impression
44:36that you are getting
44:38in Punjabi,
44:40they say
44:42that the government
44:44is making such conditions
44:46and discouraging us.
44:48For example,
44:50the negotiating party
44:52will talk to Imran Khan.
44:54They have the power
44:56that whatever is decided,
44:58Imran Khan will agree.
45:00When you used to negotiate,
45:02you used to get
45:04the final approval
45:06from Nawaz Sharif.
45:08So why are you putting
45:10this condition
45:12that whichever party
45:14talks,
45:16you will agree.
45:18No, listen,
45:20whoever talks,
45:22will be subject
45:24to the approval of
45:26Mian Nawaz Sharif.
45:28And whatever
45:30the government says,
45:32the establishment will
45:34take it on board.
45:36Is this
45:38something
45:40to hide?
45:42You are saying that
45:44if there is a dialogue
45:46between the government
45:48and PTI,
45:50if the government decides
45:52something,
45:54it will first take
45:56clearance from the establishment
45:58and then decide.
46:00You are using
46:02the word clearance.
46:04I have said
46:06that whatever we
46:08talk,
46:10the pre-approval
46:12or after approval
46:14of Mian Nawaz Sharif,
46:16who is our leader,
46:18we will take it from them.
46:20And PTI too.
46:22It is never possible
46:24that whatever they decide
46:26with us,
46:28they will take it on board.
46:30And whatever the government
46:32says,
46:34do you think
46:36they will not
46:38keep the establishment
46:40on board?
46:42So you are saying
46:44that if there is a dialogue
46:46between the government
46:48and PTI,
46:50it will first
46:52take clearance from the
46:54establishment
46:56and then decide.
46:58And whatever
47:00the government
47:02says,
47:04they will
47:06take it on board.
47:08And whatever the government
47:10says,