Mike Giardi and Will Parkinson are back with a fresh episode of the All 32 Podcast, recapping all the action from Week 15 in the NFL. They dive into the Bills' impressive win over the Lions and debate if Buffalo is now the favorite to reach the Super Bowl. They also discuss the Jets' victory over the Jaguars, Bill Belichick’s surprising move to North Carolina, and the Patriots’ brutal loss to the Cardinals. Plus, they discuss if Jerod Mayo's job is in jeopardy.
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00:00Welcome back to another All 32 podcast, Mike Giardi alongside, as always, Will Parkinson.
00:19Week 15, almost sort of, kind of in the books. There's a doubleheader on Monday night. We're
00:24taping this around Monday at three o'clock. I don't mind the, you know, initially I was
00:27like, I don't like the doubleheader. Now I'll take it. You know, the more football, the
00:30merrier because pretty soon it's going to be onto the draft season.
00:34Yeah, I actually like the double Monday night better than Thursday nights. Yeah, I don't
00:40know. I, I kind of like fewer days, but more things happening. I know that's a hot take,
00:46but double Monday night's cool. Cause it's like my whole life. It's always been, there's
00:50always been a game Monday night. You know, Thursday night's obviously newer in the last
00:5415 years or whatever it is. But yeah, no, I like the double Monday night. I'm excited
00:58to pretty one interesting matchup on not so interesting. I would say, well, I mean, it's
01:05one of those things where if one of the games is bad and we had that earlier in the year,
01:09I think it was Bill's game. Bill's kicked the crap out of the Jaguars. Actually, I still
01:13kept watching that because they were just doing horrible things to the Jaguars, but
01:17like, okay, this game's not any good. Is the other game good? It's good. You stick with
01:20that one. It gives you a little bit more diversity or minor. This show brought to you
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01:34of the Buffalo bills, a 48 42 win over the previously one lost lions lions fall to 12
01:41and two bills improved to 11 and three 559 yards of total offense for the Josh Allen
01:48led group. Allen over the last two weeks, 704 yards passing 10 touchdowns. Uh, he appears
01:57to be the MVP. I think he could probably say that that is likely to happen. But to me,
02:03is this now further proof that the bills, even though they're not the number one seed
02:08in the AFC or the team to beat in the AFC? Uh, yeah, I get, I get, I mean, I don't know.
02:15What's the reservation? It's just the chiefs have been the chiefs and you know, my homes
02:20thankfully has kind of had the LeBron effect where like a normal guy rolls up on my homes
02:25and thanks, you know, thankfully like he's, his body's is able to be, you know, is able
02:31to kind of fight it. And they obviously are the two time defending champs. Like I'm not
02:36gonna in any game, the, the chiefs are playing the playoffs. I'm probably going to pick the
02:40chiefs until proven otherwise. That said, I think me and you have both been rightfully
02:46not overly high on how they've performed kind of week in week out. But you know, the resume
02:51is what it is. They're 13 and one. The bills are the, a little two thousands Rams ish in
02:57terms of the way that the defense in 2000 from the Rams was not as good as the 98 defense
03:0399, 2001, whatever, like the years they actually played majority of the season. But their offense
03:09was like, we're going to just score 40 plus a game on you. And if you remember that year,
03:14they lost the new Orleans in the playoffs because they had a couple of turnovers and
03:18their defense just couldn't, you know, as a key man, a big fumble on, they were coming
03:21back and the whole thing, Aaron Brooks beating Kurt Warner and MVP, Marshall Falk weird times.
03:27Not sure I was expecting to talk about this at this time, but if you remember, if you
03:31remember that, that Rams team, the reason I bring it up was Kurt was still an MVP. He
03:35was an MVP in that year. Josh was playing like an MVP, way different quarterbacks, obviously.
03:40They could just every game, it felt like they're going to put up 40. If it's inside, outside,
03:44it doesn't matter. Like they're putting up 40 plus on you. And I say that because the
03:47defense wasn't the same, right. As it was when they, the super bowl year, the two super bowl
03:51years back to back, but specifically the one in Fletcher, you know, a lovey defenses, they
03:56tailed off into a middle of the pack defense. And that's why I, I still have a few questions
04:00about the bills. I think late game, I'm not, I still don't know that I trust Sean to make
04:06the absolute right decision. Sometimes it's, he's wildly conservative and sometimes he's
04:11wildly aggressive. We're a week removed a week and a day removed from him messing up the end of
04:15the Rams game. Not once, but twice. Yeah, exactly. So I think they're awesome. I think they're
04:21really well, they are well-rounded team. They do rely very heavily on Josh and that's okay.
04:26Josh is playing his best football. I don't think anyone's like, anyone's going to argue that it
04:30was a great win yesterday. Lines are beat up. They made some stupid decisions, but generally
04:36speaking, like it's good. I just have questions. I know that the Rams and lions are great offenses.
04:40I get it. Like, I'm not, I'm not telling them the bill should have given up 10 points, but I do.
04:47That's, you know, even the chiefs game where I feel like they played so well defensively,
04:50it's still like they're giving up mid twenties. I don't know. I just have a little bit of a
04:57question mark of team to beat to me. I'd like to see it a little more complete team, but if Josh
05:03is going to play like this, we've seen Patrick in the past, get hot and roll right through. We've
05:07seen, you know, other teams do it. So I think they're the, there'll be the odds on favorite.
05:14And I think that most people should expect the bills in the Superbowl, but I just don't, I don't
05:20have them as the quote unquote team to beat. Cause in my opinion, that means I'd have to pick you
05:24against anybody. And if the bills and chiefs played today in a playoff game, I'd probably
05:28just pick the chiefs based on history more than anything. And they have 15 on their team.
05:33Yeah. And you'd be in Kansas city instead of in Buffalo, because as we talked about that Rams
05:38game two weeks ago was probably, probably the death knell for their shot. They lose that game.
05:43And then the chiefs win in a nail biter. Like it could have flipped and maybe it would have been,
05:47we're talking way different scenario. Now we have the Mahomes with the high ankle, but maybe not as
05:51bad high ankle sprain. And maybe he's not, you know, they have this, this stretch of games,
05:55three games in 11 days. I think it is where maybe he's not ready to go for at least the middle game
06:00of this, of this run. If it's beyond that, maybe the door opens a little bit because I can't remember
06:06the last time Carson Wentz was a viable NFL quarterback, maybe early in his first and only
06:13year with Indianapolis. Maybe like there was a, there was a little window where you're like,
06:16Oh man, he might've done okay with this deal. And then by the end of the year, they're like,
06:21this, get this guy out of here. So that'd be interesting.
06:25Yeah. I, I think my takeaway from this game was a little more on the Detroit side and I just,
06:34here's where we kind of get into trouble. They were so good all year and they have been so good
06:39all year. And it's not like yesterday there were some bad team. Look, the bills were a machine
06:44yesterday and the lines are really beat up. I mean, I'm, they are egregiously beat up, right?
06:50Yeah. Just, just to, yeah. For the people at home. So they lost Alan McNeil, who's their great
06:56interior defensive tackle. Good pass, right? Just a really good player. He's done for the year.
07:01Carl Davis broke his jaw. That looks to be, he's going to have surgery. That looks to be at least
07:05six weeks. So you're talking well into the post season, if that were to happen for him to come
07:10back. Aiden Hutchinson, we know how badly he broke the leg. There's still talk that maybe he could be
07:14ready for the NFC championship game. Again, that's off into the distance. And will he be the same
07:19type of player? Probably not. Also Kyle Pecco was one of their interior players was having a really
07:25good year. He's done for the year. Malcolm Rodriguez, who replaced Alex Anzalone, who's
07:30been hurt and may or may not be ready for the end of the year. Malcolm Rodriguez is out for the year.
07:34There's a couple other guys as well. So they've really defensively in the front seven in particular
07:39have just hit a, an incredible rash of injuries that make me think, and I think this is where
07:45you were going. I'm sorry to jump in, but just like maybe made me think like maybe they just
07:50finally got past the breaking point. Maybe losing McNeil and Davis now just as like,
07:55you know what? It looked like it was going to be our year, but we've sustained so many injuries.
07:58We can't possibly be the defense that they were even showing signs of without Hutchinson, right?
08:05There was a little stretch there where they were still getting pressure on the quarterback. Now
08:08it's like, you can't stop anybody. Yeah. I guess I go here with this and look, I may, I might be
08:15wrong tonight. Minnesota might lose tonight, right? There's a good chance that could happen,
08:19but we've not, but no one's talked about, I mean, we've talked about Minnesota quite a bit,
08:24but I don't feel like I hear Minnesota talked about at all. And I understand the hesitancy,
08:28right? Going into the year, they were a seven, eight win around that team because we had
08:32questions about quarterback. Um, and that's fair, but there is a decent shot. The Vikings are the
08:40ones in the NFC. And I just feel like no one's talked a single part about it. And if Detroit's
08:48this beat up, who's to say that a game that was extremely close in Minnesota. And I think
08:55Minnesota is playing a heck of a lot better than they were at that time. I think Sam started to
08:58play like legit, really good quarterback. I'm not talking like, you know, just scheme them open.
09:03KOC is so great. I don't know KOC versus anybody in a scheme, in a scheme battle on one side of
09:10the football. I like probably against anybody in the league. And I'm not so sure Brian Flora
09:14has a second look at this unit in Detroit saying, Hey, like, you know, no David Montgomery now as
09:19well, potentially like another one, you know, another one like, do we have a little wrinkles
09:23here and there to maybe stop Detroit from scoring 40? Can we still keep them at 28?
09:28I just Detroit's probably still the favorite in the NFC and the Eagles. We'll talk about in a
09:35minute, but they have their own issues. We've well documented. We talked a lot about them last week.
09:40I don't really think a lot of them got solved yesterday. I mean, coaches are fighting each
09:43other on the sidelines. I just say like Detroit's the five seat right now at a team that should,
09:48if they take care of business, we'll be 12 and two and a quarterback who very well could have
09:5530 plus touchdowns, 3,500 yards or like, I don't know. I just think if we take out the, the uniform
10:02of like what we had going into the year, we'd all be like, Minnesota is very, every chance to catch
10:07them. They have Detroit again on the schedule. Detroit's not getting any healthier Minnesota.
10:11If they keep playing well, I'm not trying to pit it like to downplay Detroit. Again,
10:15I still think Detroit Buffaloes or Detroit Casey is probably the, the best way to like,
10:20put where are you, where to put your money or where to do whatever you want to do with it.
10:23However you want to phrase it. I just wonder if I came out of that game thinking
10:30is Detroit gettable for the division. And if Detroit is gettable for the division,
10:34there's a good chance Minnesota could end up being a team that what if Minnesota ends up 14
10:39and three or 15 and two, like there's a why Seattle does not look good. You don't might
10:43miss time. They have Seattle a week after, like I'd probably like Minnesota in that game.
10:48They got Chicago and they got Detroit. Am I crazy, Mike? Is there like not a small window here
10:53where they could catch Detroit? There absolutely is. But that leads me to my next, to the next
11:02game we were going to do. And that's the Eagles really in the second half, dominating the Pittsburgh
11:09Steelers, had the ball for a grand total of 11 plays in the second half. The Eagles ended the
11:17game on a 21 play drive against the Steelers, an excellent defense, even, even somewhat impaired.
11:26That doesn't happen to the Steelers. Like for as long as you can go back years when they've
11:31been down, whatever you don't do that to their defense. And my question to you was going to be,
11:38are the Eagles now the favorites in the NFC because of what's happened physically to the
11:42Lions? But here you're making the case for Minnesota and it's a, it's a valid case. I would
11:46argue, I mean, Green Bay now, because of the 10 and four, they're two games back or a game and
11:52a half back, probably not going to get to the one seed, but the way they're playing could very well.
11:56You could say right now, based on how they're playing, you could say Green Bay might be the
12:00best team in the NFC, which is once again, sort of proved like the top of the NFC has been
12:07a dog fight all year. Listen, the NFC North is awesome. I would expect the Lions to beat the
12:13Bears. I'd expect them to beat San Fran the way they're playing, which would go lead in the
12:17division would be the last, you know, last week of the season or whatever it is, you know, with,
12:24with Minnesota. But so Philly is probably, it's a good question. I guess Philly maybe
12:3312 and two now, maybe they're the odds in a row. Maybe they're the odds on favor in terms of the
12:38one seed, potentially just in the aspect of, Hey, theoretically the Eagle is going to lose again.
12:43Maybe not, you know, maybe they have the Washington game and stuff. Maybe that's it.
12:46But like, if they don't win, you know, if they don't lose that, then they go undefeated the
12:50rest of the year. You know, Green Bay has got to play Minnesota. Minnesota has got Detroit.
12:55And then obviously Detroit's got, you know, uh, Minnesota and whatever it's kind of jumbled
12:59around there. I don't know. I, and first off part of me thinks the three best teams, the NFC
13:04are all in the NFC North. Um, but I also, I guess it's a good question. My here's my problem with
13:11Philly right now is it feels like as well as they're playing on the field in a lot of ways,
13:18you know, I, I think Pittsburgh shot themselves in the foot quite often yesterday. And I think
13:24we've talked about all year. I think they're a good team. They're not a great team. And I think
13:27Philly's so talented that when it clicks a little bit, it looks really good. I think there are a
13:33team that can get, I just don't like the image of Sirianni and assistant coaches are going at it.
13:37The week before it's AJ Brown and Jalen Hurts. It's the week before it's Brandon Graham. And
13:42it's like, at some point you do wonder, is it going to bite them in the ass a little bit?
13:47And maybe it won't. And two years ago or three years ago during, you know, I guess when 2022,
13:51it didn't bite them in the ass at all, but you know, last year it did. So it could go really
13:56either way. Do you like trust? My thing is like, do you trust this team? Like Eagles,
14:02Vikings in Minnesota or Detroit, you know, Philly in Detroit, do you trust Sirianni against to not
14:11do something stupid? I guess the problem is, is that you can say the same thing about Dan Campbell,
14:17right? Like he's a more successful, more happy, you know, more, uh,
14:21Mr. Five fourth downs two weeks ago, Mr. Onside kick. And this is like,
14:26so I think it's an interesting point. I think some of this is about matchups,
14:29right? So I think the Eagles, especially now based on the Lions injuries and who they're just
14:34not going to have for the rest of the year, or who might come back and won't be themselves.
14:38That I think the Eagles are the most talented team one through 53 in the NFC,
14:45but there are personality problems. The quarterback has been a problem. He wasn't yesterday. The
14:49quarterback looked great yesterday. It's a quote though. It's like, right.
14:53You're blaming the media, right? We, why are you blaming the media? Because you,
14:58you know what that is though? That's like the, they, you know, trash though. I just look over
15:03here. It's not my, we, you know, no, you guys are making it up. No, no, it was real. It's real.
15:07It's been real. It's been real with him in particular, him and Sirianni last year. Like
15:11there's all kinds of stuff with that football team and the same common denominator every time.
15:17No one's making it up. But when he plays like he did yesterday, which is to say,
15:21when you, when you hit your back foot and the ball's out, when he's decisive, when, oh, by the
15:26way, when you throw it to AJ Brown and Devante Smith, they're really good players. Chances are
15:31in one-on-one situations, they're going to win more times than they lose. Like these are all
15:35things that you would think Jalen Hurts at $55 million a year would have figured out by this
15:41point in his career. But it appears at times that he's unwilling to pull the trigger on that,
15:46or he doesn't see it as well as he should. He doesn't progress as well as he should. He feels
15:50he, whatever it is, all these different things happen with him. But when they are playing like
15:54that, like, I don't care whether you're coming to Philly or they have to go into Detroit or
15:59Minnesota, like they can, they, they're the best team. I just, it's the point becomes, do you
16:07have enough faith in that whole operation, the leaders of that operation, Sirianni,
16:13Jalen Hurts, and look for whatever you want, like AJ is kind of a leader. He's a, he's a, he's a,
16:18he's a big, big presence in that locker room. Can those guys all build it together and go in the
16:23right direction for another, whatever, seven weeks? Yeah. The one other thing I just want to
16:29quickly say, the reason that I brought the Minnesota thing up comparatively to some of
16:33these other teams, if you look at their two losses, they lose at the Rams on a short week
16:37on Thursday, they got shafted. They had a chance to win the game. They got shafted on a horrible
16:40face mask call. And then week before they lost 31 29 to Detroit. So they also haven't lost in a
16:46long time. I think Minnesota and Philly are the two hottest teams. I think green Bay is an
16:51argument. So it's Detroit. Obviously. I just think those, that group to me, I think the Rams are the
16:56team. No one wants to play of the, any team in the NFC or any team, the NFL really. But I do think
17:02they have limitations because health is a huge problem for them. I think the defense, while young
17:08and talented, I think some of the guys in the backend, like, you know, you know, whether
17:12spoons good enough, the most yards I believe in the NFL, like there is some issues there. Again,
17:17I don't, I wouldn't want to play them. I'm not saying I would've wanted to play any of these
17:20teams. I just, I don't know. I look at the NFC and it's like such a different animal to the,
17:24to the AFC this year, which I actually don't think I fully expected just based on quarterback play
17:28and things like that. Again, I really liked Philly. There's a, they probably are the odds
17:33on favorite to finish as the one. I don't think anyone wants to see, say Quan and AJ and Devontae
17:39and all these guys in the playoffs, they're going to get Bryce Huff back. And so that should have
17:42helped their pass rush. I still find myself the two things, three things with Philly that concern
17:49me in a playoff game in a big moment. Do you really trust Jalen Hurts to make, you know, look,
17:55he's had some really nice moments in the NFL, but he's also had some bad,
17:58he has some moments that are not pretty. We talked about it last week, Siriani. We've talked about a
18:02ton. The other one is kind of their secondary while as good as Quinion Mitchell has been
18:08and as good as Cooper Eugene has been. Chauncey Gardner Johnson finds himself in a lot of
18:12precarious situations and he's usually getting, he's usually not on the positive end of it.
18:18And Darius Slay is probably, well, he's been a great player. He's going to be a borderline.
18:23He'll get a, he'll be a Hall of Fame finalist or semifinalist or whatever down the line.
18:28I don't know. Like I like Justin Jefferson or, you know, even a Christian Watson at this point
18:33in his career, these other guys, and you know, if they can get them one-on-one at that point. So
18:38I think Philly is really good. I know I'm sounding like I'm soured on Philly
18:42after a dominating performance. I just, I don't know. I worry like at some point,
18:46do they have the leadership overall from that whole locker room? Not just like,
18:52I just look back at some, even some of those Patriots teams, even some of the chiefs, like
18:56you have one guy, there's really one voice or two voices. It was Bill and Tom or it's Andy
18:59and Patrick or whatever it is. They just say, everyone shut up, stop, lock it in. And like,
19:05I think they have that from an organizational perspective from Howie and, you know,
19:09Jeffrey Lurie and all the way down. But like, who's the alpha in that locker room? Is it Saquon?
19:15Is it AJ? Is it Jalen? Is it Fangio? Who's the guy that can put their foot down and say,
19:21enough? Like they use that, Jason Kelsey's bit was that guy. He's not there. I know he on TV,
19:26like, you know, he's on a million shows. I just, that's my one question is if like
19:30one more blow up happens, because it went from players to coaches now, like who's next,
19:35who's the guy that's going to put their foot down and be like, enough. Like where we could go in a
19:39title. I just might want to worry with them. I think the word that I would use to describe it
19:45it's volatile. There's always something bubbling up with that football team. I just think in
19:51general, the NFC post-season is going to be fascinating and it is going to be a blood bath.
19:57The last team standing, like it's going to be quite an accomplishment because as you mentioned,
20:01there are five or six teams that if you told me, oh, they're playing for the NFC title game
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21:21We had some injuries, but all of a sudden now the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
21:25again, talk about the NFC, have become the lead dog in that division.
21:31We've proven eight and six after a 40 to 17 beatdown of the
21:37incredibly consistent Chargers all year long, right? Even when they lose,
21:41they've been in games and the defense has played well. Well, they got scorched in this football
21:46game. Over 500 yards of total offense from Baker, Mayfield, and company. I ask you,
21:53are they a legit dark horse in the NFC? I'm going to only say yes from this aspect. As
22:01good as the NFC is, and I don't think Tampa's, and obviously, no, God win the rest of the year.
22:08They're not the same team they were four or five years ago. Obviously, they've changed quite a bit.
22:13I do think any given Sunday, we saw it last year and we've seen it this year as well,
22:17they could beat anybody. Are they a dark horse to win a playoff game? Oh, for sure.
22:24There's no doubt about it. Who knows, they could get, let's say they finish as the six
22:30and they play what? They play the Rams or play whatever. I don't know. I'm just making it up
22:35or whatever. They'd get Philly in the first round because they dropped to the seven or summary.
22:39They beat them last year and it could happen. They beat Detroit last year, this year and they
22:44beat them. They almost beat them in the playoffs. They have every opportunity.
22:49I do think that they are a bit up and down in terms of there's weeks where you're like,
22:56that's not great. I'll say they're a dark horse to win a playoff game. Would I be shocked if
23:01they're in the title game? Reasonably shocked. Would I be really shocked in the Super Bowl?
23:06Yeah. I think Green Bay, I think that they have a better shot as one of the wild cards or Minnesota
23:13just because I think for a million different reasons, but I certainly think Tampa has a
23:19shot to win a playoff game. If Baker's rolling that day and Liam Cohen, who I think is going
23:25to get a coaching job this year, if he's rolling and they get in sync, they get in tandem,
23:31why not? Mike Evans is impossible to stop. Kate Otton's getting a gazillion targets a game and
23:37Bucky Irvin and Rashad White and all these young backs. The offensive line does a good job. Todd
23:42Bowles is an experienced defensive coordinator. They have talent. So yeah, I think they're a dark
23:46horse. I just don't, it just, again, it varies. I do think there's a ceiling for them, but again,
23:54any given Sunday, they are truly a team that you can pick. They could be anybody in the league.
23:59They could go into Buffalo right now and beat Buffalo and I wouldn't be like, oh my God.
24:03That sounds like the box. Yeah. I think that they don't have, their ceiling is not high.
24:10I think they can win on any given week. We see that to do that, to the charges is,
24:15I think that's really impressive. Like, and I know the charges, there are some flaws, especially
24:19offensively with Herbert doesn't have the pieces. They haven't run the ball very well since
24:23JK Dobbins went down, but like, there's a belief that Baker has brought to that team and has
24:30brought to that offense that has now, how many years now are we going on this? Where like you
24:36look at him and you say, he's turned into be, he's not a top 10 quarterback, but he's in that
24:42like 12, 13, 14 range. And they're seeing they can win with him. And he gets that. He has that
24:49irrational confidence, right? Like he's not the biggest guy. He's got a good arm, not a great arm,
24:54but he'll, he'll, he'll test it. He'll try it. He threw one yesterday, Mike. I don't know if
24:58he said he got totally fooled. He threw Mike, he threw Mike Evans a corner out and the corner
25:04sank and you know, the corner sank a little bit and dated him and just totally got him and Cam
25:10Hart and somebody else collided. I can't, I can't picture my head. They dropped the interception,
25:17but it was like, dude, you know, what world could you think you're going to fit that in there? But
25:23then he goes back and throw us a beautiful ball towards the touchdown. So like,
25:26that's my point of if Baker has a day where he's pretty flawless and Bucky Irvin's going a little
25:33bit and Todd gets one or two times where he gets you in a mistake or something. I don't know. I
25:39don't know that again. I don't, I just think anybody in the NFC, do you want to play anybody?
25:42I guess everyone wants Washington, right? And no disrespect, but everyone's looking to play
25:46Washington. Yep. Otherwise, like, do you feel confident in any of those games? Or if somehow
25:51Atlanta were to salvage this thing and knock tamp out, but like, I mean, any team would want to go
25:57into Atlanta, right? Like that said, like if they get panics going, I don't know, let's just say,
26:01I don't know. There's a, there's a world in which in the next three or four weeks, they,
26:05if Kirk has a blow up tonight and, and they, they go to panics in the second half, because they're
26:10like, we have got to salvage this thing. We'll figure it out later. What I know it sounds crazy,
26:15but again, they're another team where like, talent wise, you, you feel like they should be
26:19better. Like, I really feel like Atlanta should be better than they are. And I just wonder,
26:23I hate their defense, but it's, it shouldn't, it shouldn't be a bad defense.
26:29Raheem Morris is a coach. Like what is going on there? They're just not soft physically,
26:34but they're soft. Like they don't scare you. Like I don't, something's off. I don't know.
26:39My point is just being like, even them, their team were like, theoretically we've seen against
26:44Tampa multiple times. Can they get hot and just torch you for 40 points? Cause they're on that
26:48day. The NFC is so such a different beast. I'm telling it's no more evident than yesterday.
26:54And I was like, wow, this is, it's pretty bad. Yeah, absolutely. Well, we're getting close to
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27:43two games that we had our eyes on mostly as we cover these two teams. Although I want to,
27:50I want to push you in a different direction. I know you're, you're riding high because the Jets,
27:55they finally got a W and Devante looked fantastic yesterday. The quarterback actually was moving
28:00around like he did in week three when they beat the crap out of the Patriots. But I still think
28:06we're more on the, the eyes on the prize about what's going to happen with this team in the
28:10off season. And we did get word that they've started the process of entering general managers
28:17who names have come out. John Robinson, former Titans GM had a pretty nice little run there
28:23until it fell apart on the, after the AJ Brown trade. And depending on who you believe he and
28:28Mike Vrabel may have parted ways emotionally at that point. And Lewis Riddick who has worked in
28:35the Philadelphia and Washington front offices, but has been on TV now for, I don't even know,
28:4010, 12 years, whatever. First of all, how do you feel about the two names that your,
28:49that your friends at the, what are they? The 33rd team have, have called and given to
28:56the powers that be over there. Woody Johnson, et cetera.
28:59Yeah. So I'll just, I'll, I'll start with the with the names that were mentioned,
29:04I believe it was James Jones of CBS mentioned the jets using these guys, you know, they'll get an
29:10interview and a fair shot, but guys, not with teams, their ability to start the process, you
29:16know, before everybody else, because they don't have those guys in position. Obviously they can't go
29:21interview Mike Greenberg and John Spytek with the bucks because there's, they'll be playing
29:26and there's a window for that. So these are guys that obviously are not in jobs. I'll be curious
29:32from a coach perspective, they interview Rex and Mangini. And these guys are again, not in jobs
29:36come, maybe it's, it's as a favor. I'm not saying that Lewis Riddick's getting it as a favor, but
29:41I also know that he works alongside Mike five days a week on get up. And you know, the ESPN
29:46connection there, is that something of, Hey, we want to get your name out there. We're not going
29:49to likely hire you, but we'll give you a chance to interview. Maybe some other team takes a shot.
29:54If you told me John Robinson, John Robinson's an interesting one because he did have success.
29:59He had success with Mike variable. And on the surface, you'd say, Oh, like this is a great
30:04indication, right? They want variable to get this job. Obviously though, as we know, whether it's
30:09ownership, John Robinson, a mixture of both, there obviously was a falling out there at one point,
30:14John Robinson's first few years drafted. It's fantastic, really smart signings. And then it got
30:21post the COVID year. Well, COVID year draft included, it got really ugly for the last
30:26three years. And you know, it was trailing Berks offensive lineman that can't come to the top of
30:30head. He played like two games. Yeah. Well, I think Caleb Farley was, was the, it was either
30:3620 or 21. Yeah. It got, it got really, it got ugly there. So I don't hate the process of, Hey,
30:43maybe they pick their, you know, if in my head, maybe they're going, Hey, we want to interview
30:47Robinson and pick his brain on variable and see, you know, can we get more Intel there?
30:51What makes him tick maybe, and kind of use that some Intel. I've seen a lot of people be really
30:55positive at Riddick as like a real potential shot. I don't feel that way at all. I actually,
31:01I don't get it. I I'm not, I don't know that I've always heard the best stuff about his time in front
31:07offices. And I, I don't know, he bashed the jets a lot and I know people would normally be like,
31:12Oh, that's so stupid. Who cares? He like, what he cares though. And I just don't see that a guy who
31:19I'll be like, I don't really care about that stuff. Right. You know, and whatever, but
31:24it's four weeks ago, he's like, I can't stand the jets. And then you're telling me that Woody
31:29Johnson, who cares more about the media than any owner in football is going to go hire him. I have
31:33a hard time believing that plus the jets don't need more of a media circus. Not that Riddick
31:39is a circus with that. It's just, I don't know why like go hire Mike Greenberg out of Tampa and
31:44Mike variable and have a guy who's a cap guy mixed with the personnel and improvement guy.
31:48And that's your core or something of that. I don't know. I'm just using as an example. So
31:53that was interesting. And then obviously I'm sure we're quickly hit on it. The bill Belichick thing,
31:57this is what I'll say on this. And I'm curious your thoughts, because obviously again,
32:00you covered bill for a long time. I think this makes the jets look really good.
32:05I think it's insane to think this was bill trolling the jets. I think that the jets
32:09wanted this out there that bill came crawling and had, I have no other options. I'm going to
32:13come crawl into the jets. I not only think it's good. The jets didn't interview. I think it's,
32:19it would have made them look quite stupid in my opinion, because from this aspect,
32:24this guy has done nothing, but do everything in his power. He not only quit today, a day into the
32:31job. And we don't talk about that enough. Like I will, I don't know if we'll ever see that again
32:35in professional sports, let alone in the NFL. It's one of the craziest things. Bob Glaber,
32:40our good friend talks about that to this day. I mean, that would happen 20 years ago. And he,
32:44he literally is like a 25 year series. Like it's one of the craziest things I've ever covered,
32:49but bill, I don't even care about the, on the field stuff, right? He's a,
32:52he's still probably a really good NFL coach. I just wonder how has that Matt would have worked?
32:59Is it worth the circus that he would have brought to New York in terms of the attention would have
33:03meant keeping Rogers would have been bringing his whole staff with the, was his short-term long-term
33:08was it to get one over on Woody and like, Hey, I couldn't make it work with the jets, but I think
33:12the jets, like there's something about it felt off. And I, it feels like the jets wanted that
33:18out there. And again, I think it's a good thing to say like, no, this is a desired job and bill
33:22Belichick for all the crap he's talked about us even wanted an interview. I just, I didn't get
33:28the fit. I don't, I don't know, Mike, I don't know how you feel about it. I felt like it almost
33:31made bill look a little. Oh, I think it made bill look desperate because I think bill was desperate.
33:36Again, we sort of talked about this over the last week and a half. He thought he was getting the
33:41Atlanta job. And then Rich McKay and Terry Fontenot sort of told arc to blank. Like he tells
33:46you, he just wants to be the coach. That's not the way he's going to operate. And then since then he
33:50takes the landscape of the entire league and realizes I'm not going to be the first choice
33:54or the second choice, or maybe even the third choice for any of these openings that are
33:58happening now or going to happen when the season's over. So as I said, basically you can't fire me.
34:05I quit. I'm going to take my ball and go to college. The one thing that I thought
34:11of the one place where it made sense for the jets. And we've talked about this on this pod
34:16a number of times is the jets haven't had an identity since Rex was there and he was rolling
34:23in 2010, 2011. They've had an identity. It just hasn't been a good one. Right, right. And of all
34:28the things that you can say about bill and look, maybe he doesn't have the fastball anymore.
34:34Certainly that appeared to be at least personnel wise, especially, but you could even look at some
34:38of the game planning stuff and say, he's not the same guy he used to be, but let's just say you get
34:42good bill, not even great bill, good bill. He would give you an identity and establish a culture
34:49that I think that you guys have clearly been lacking there. And that would be to me,
34:55the best part of bill. Again, I don't know whether he could be the guy who, who used to shut down
35:00rookie quarterbacks and then stop shutting down the whole thing. But just that notion alone,
35:08would give a direction that the jets feel like they haven't had again, since it was the Tana bomb
35:14and Rex pairing. Yeah. The only last thing I'll say on this game and just kind of how it impacts
35:19the future. Cause these things all got to go hand in hand. Look, I thought Devante was special
35:24yesterday. I think he's been really good. Mostly the whole time he's been with the jets.
35:29Hasn't been perfect. Obviously. I think it took him a few weeks to get going. Maybe the hamstring
35:32was at least not a hundred percent. I don't think he, I think he could have played at some points
35:38that I think he knew what he was doing, but I also think it's not insane to think he could have
35:42been a little banged up and getting his feet, feet under him at least a little bit early on.
35:48He's a guy that in the last six, seven weeks, I mean, throughout the whole year, we talk about
35:52Devante, like he's not an elite guy still. He think he's six and yards per game in the NFL.
35:57Like he's still a really damn good player. And yesterday was dominant. I mean, there there's
36:02every, he scored three times. He, you know, they want to get so overturned. He gets it. He gets
36:07stopped at the one, like he's a guy who could have had two 30 at a drop yesterday. We could
36:12have had two 32 40 and three or four touchdown. I mean, that's special no matter what age or player
36:18team it's the NFL. I thought Rogers was really good. He missed one or two throws that I was like,
36:24dude, get it out there. He had one, he had one deep out to Garrett where he just like,
36:28didn't put it on him. And it's not perfect, but he's running for 40 plus yards. I mean, that's
36:34no, like if you took Rogers week one, two, and three, when he was fully healthy, the week one,
36:40it's kind of hard to, you know, I don't want to say you throw it out, but first came back
36:42from an Achilles. It's like, he knew he wasn't going to look great, but I thought he had some
36:45nice moments week two. I thought second half, he was really good. He had the two touchdowns and
36:49then week three, three touchdowns and the two 80 plus against the pads gets hurt against Denver.
36:55And then he was pretty up and down, but mostly just erratic and didn't want to get hit. Didn't
37:00move. Well, had some nice moments. Wasn't a great quarterback until the buy since the buy
37:05he's got 13 touchdowns, one pick. And look, I'm not saying it's perfect and I'm not saying they
37:12should run it back, but I almost think it's just a, a frustration of like, man, like the seven
37:18weeks he's had a healthy hamstring. Like he's got like 17 touchdowns, two picks, there were 17
37:24touchdowns, one pick. And like the one pick it did kill the Seattle game for sure. I'm not saying it
37:28didn't, but like he doesn't, he looks 80% of what we expected. And like, that's should be good
37:35enough. If the jets defense or special teams had been good enough, you can't promise he's going to
37:38be healthy. The dead cap stuff is a real thing. If the new head coach, I leave, I just, I'll leave
37:44it at this. We can move the Patriots. I truly think it should be go as, as this with the jets.
37:47And I actually think with a lot of these openings, it should be the same conversation, whether it's
37:52Dallas, potentially Jacksonville, potentially Chicago, whatever it is, like the GM or head
37:59coach is going to come in either. They hired to get hired together. However, the chain of
38:03command is they're all different organizations. If let's just play out the scenario. I just
38:07mentioned, they hired Mike Greenberg from Tampa and they hired for Abel and Mike's like both
38:13mics are like, I really want Aaron back. I want to have a competitive floor next year. And we think
38:19if we have a good backup plan, we draft the young kid. We want them back. I mean, you talk them
38:23into it. I'm down. I'm interested. I'm fine with that because that means that they're making the
38:27decision. I just don't want in that interview room, Woody Johnson and whoever else, the powers
38:33that be, you know, to put any, it's up to you guys. It's not a, you're taking Aaron. That's
38:40what they do with Sam Darnold. And I think that's why they were able to attract a Robert solid and
38:43say, Hey, like you and Joe Douglas make the decision. They made the wrong one, but at least
38:47it was their decision. I just am very hesitant. Always. If, if you, if this job comes with player
38:54X, that's when it gets a little dicey. So I don't know if you feel the same way, but I just,
38:59I'm open to the idea of Rogers being the bridge guy. If everyone's on board and he's on board,
39:06I would do everything I could to keep Devante. I think the best chance the jets had to keep
39:09Devante is actually Rogers retiring. I think if he goes somewhere else, I could see him saying,
39:14Hey, I want to go with Aaron cause a hundred touchdown. And that was really cool. I think he's
39:18their fourth all time approaching third all time for most, you know, pairings. Um, I do think if
39:23he retires or any, or, uh, Rogers is back, Devante will be back and Devante Garrett and, and Bruce
39:29Hall going into next year for a full season could potentially be, you know, something to watch. I
39:33don't know how you feel on that. And then we can move to the pats. Obviously. I would not get in
39:38bed with Aaron Rogers anymore. I understand sort of the, again, because you're sort of the twixt
39:43in between. What's the answer to say? What are the other options? You and I were texting about
39:48like, is, you know, it looks like the Will Levis era is going to be over in Tennessee. Is he pop
39:52free? Is that someone you trust to be your bridge guy? I mean, you know, one week he looks great.
39:57The next two, he looks like garbage. Um, is there a chance Gino Smith comes free now? Look, now that
40:04they're getting a look at Sam Howell, I don't think they can sell themselves on Sam Howell
40:08being the bridge guy. I think they, they realize like we need to do better. And considering this
40:13isn't the greatest quarterback draft, um, you're probably better off signing Gino. But if Gino were
40:18to pop free, would Gino be a better bridge quarterback for the jets? Because I know there
40:26was baggage from 12 years ago, but that was a million moons ago. He's not, he doesn't bring
40:31what Aaron brings to the table. Right. So like, I almost think like that's something I keep an eye
40:36on if I'm the jets, if, if Gino pops free, I think Gino's the guy you make the offer to. And I think
40:42he'll, I think he'll, he'd be popular. I think there are five or six teams that would say,
40:46you know, two, three years. What's it, you know, four years. What's it going to take? Cause he's,
40:49I think he's 34 right now. Yeah. Him and Sam are going to be the two, the two former jets guys.
40:53We've met the guys that everyone wants because look, Sam, we've talked about a million times,
40:58but there's a real shot here again. I don't know. Sam's gonna have to play well, but like,
41:05there's a good shot. Sam finishes with near damn near 40 touchdowns and 4,000 yards is a, you know,
41:10with like a QB rating in the one tens and their team that's 14 or 15 and two, like, that's a,
41:17that's a real, that's not like BS. That's a real thing. If they go on a deep run or even
41:23go on a run at all, even go like round two, how do you let him out of the building? If you're
41:3027 and maybe you tag them to trade them and maybe that's what they do. And you know, with the Jimmy
41:35you know, you know, he's castle, maybe he's like the Matt castle situation from the pads and what
41:40was that? Oh, eight. Yep. But in castle, I like had some success in Casey. It wasn't like in a
41:46total abomination. I mean, he definitely was a limited player, but I just look at it and I think
41:50to myself like him and Gino different Sam's 27, even Gina, like he's more attractive as on the
41:58open market that Derek Carr will be, or like Justin Fields and some of these other guys.
42:03So yeah, there, there's a few teams. I do Tennessee and the jets to me feel like
42:10Rogers is on either of those teams or he's retiring and does Tennessee go big and say,
42:16oh, we're going to pay. Don't we'll be the team that pays Donald. Cause you know, we,
42:19we need, we need to do this or we take a quote. I don't know. There's just,
42:22there's a lot of questions. I just, I'm hesitant with Rogers only from the aspect of like,
42:26is it maybe better to just like competitive competitively start over and sense this
42:31rosters look pretty good, but you know, can they get eliminate some of the, any,
42:36if there's any turmoil, I don't know. But also these talks, you said like,
42:40we're talking about like 34 year old Gino getting more money than Rogers would get next year.
42:45Or we're talking Sam Howell. It's like Sam Howell, the Garrett Wilson doesn't really sound
42:51quite as exciting. So yeah, it's kind of caught between a rock and a hard place a bit.
42:57Yeah. You think Garrett Wilson would be all that excited about,
42:59I think Garrett would probably be happier to kind of have a clean split,
43:03but I also think Garrett would prefer, this is just my assumption of it.
43:07While I think him and Aaron are not, I've not always been on the same page this year and it's,
43:11I don't, it's, it happens. I do think to myself, Garrett's probably like
43:16not on the same page with Aaron, but still getting 170 targets. But, and I have Devontae
43:22next to me who takes up double coverages and last year I scored the easiest touchdown in my life
43:26or get double teamed every week and go back to like a Zach Wilson experience. That's
43:31probably not what he's looking for. Yeah. I mean, that's the, that's the,
43:35the balance I guess you have to ride, but you know, you, someone like him would think like,
43:38I can make the quarterback better, you know, like, although again, it was hard to do with Zach
43:44Wilson onto the Patriots who lost 30 to 17 in Arizona coming off the bye week. They looked like
43:52they didn't do anything. I was going to say, I, I'll, I'll, I want to,
43:56I want you to majority talk on this one. I just want to say one thing on this.
44:00Sure. When the owner's box,
44:05the eyes are on the owner's box. They always are. And I, Jonathan Kraft's well aware that he's on
44:11camera every week as is Woody Johnson, as is Jerry Jones, right? He knows he's aware.
44:16I actually don't think Alex Van Pelt's been as big of a problem as the Marcus Covington
44:21and Gerard Mayo just from the outside looking in. Cause if the, I don't think he's been a great OC,
44:26but I also think Drake mays looks really good. So I'd like to think he has some part of that.
44:30Again, I'm not saying he's perfect by any means. And in the off season, I think this is an
44:33attractive job that it's probably best for both sides if they have a new OC, but that the look of
44:41what that has been to say, this play calling sucks, right? I mean, I think that's where we've
44:45agreed. That's pretty much what he said, or some extent of it. Something to that effect. Yes.
44:50Coming off a bye week, coming off against an Arizona team who is reeling,
44:55not a good look, not a good look for anybody, for the coaching staff, for frankly, ownership,
45:02like to be caught on camera saying that I just not, I don't know. I'm not saying that it's,
45:08I get a heat of the moment, emotions, et cetera. I just, you know, you're on camera and maybe like,
45:13you know, do one of these, you know, the cover of the mouth, the coaching thing with,
45:16but the pen and pad over it and lean through down and be like, F Alex and Pelt. We got,
45:21you want to do that? I'm all, that's all I want to say on this game. Because other than that,
45:25snooze fest, disappointing that they just didn't have more, more to play for. It's a young team
45:31still. My guy, that's my, that's my concern is like, this is a, this is a young team.
45:36It's like, this isn't it. Look, I know we talked a lot about the Jets, but the Jets went down to
45:41Jacksonville at three and 10 with a veteran team and said that this, this I'm done. I'd be pissed,
45:46but I'd get it. I don't know. The Patriots have a lot of young guys. I just would love to see a
45:50little bit more, but again, there's obviously the controversy of the day. And I really think
45:56all sides play a part in this and it's not, not great. Before I jump into all that, teacher
46:02told us last week that it was important to play hard because you wanted to see your hard work,
46:08work. And that that would be a sign to everyone in the building. We're building something here.
46:14What we've done to this point actually matters. And look, they're not, they're not expecting to
46:18run the table. They understand what they are, but like, Hey, play competitively,
46:24steal a game, maybe two. And we go into the off season thinking like,
46:29we got our quarterback, we got to start at cornerback and Christian Gonzalez.
46:33And you know what, this coaching staff, they started to figure it out at the end and we're,
46:37we're building and we've got a good core here. And like, we're going to have a high draft pick
46:40and we've got this money. And like, you know, you can take that leap. We saw Dan Campbell,
46:45I think it was three and three over his final six in that first year or second year or whatever it
46:49was. And they took off and we've seen many examples, including one in New England when
46:54Parcells took over and they were garbage. And then at the very end of the season,
46:58they went on a run. And the next thing, you know, they're a playoff football team
47:01and they're playing in the super bowl under Parcells. And it took, it happened pretty quickly
47:07for them to play the way they did was damning to the coaching staff,
47:14who again, defensively, Trey McBride, that's who they go to. He's, he's, he's their guy.
47:21Trey McBride getting loose on third down repeatedly. Oh, they're a physical team.
47:26They're going to run the ball at us. They actually should have run the ball more.
47:29They give up 163 yards rushing only for Gerard Mayo to say afterwards, well,
47:33if you take out that one big play, oh my God, we're doing that again. If you take out that
47:38one drive where they went 19 plays and scored the game winning touchdown against us, against
47:42Indianapolis, or if you take away the two big runs that Houston had against us, you know,
47:46the numbers don't look as bad. It's a loser's lament. Every play matters that play mattered.
47:53And you know what? I'll give you this. Do you want to take the play out? They still averaged
47:56four and a half yards per carry. So it's still not good enough. So there's that the Marcus Covington
48:03to what you said has been the, by far the weakest link amongst the coordinators.
48:09You can look at the Drake may offense. And granted Drake may is a huge part of why the
48:13offense has looked significantly better over the nine weeks that he's been the quarterback
48:16than it did when Jacoby Broussette was a starting quarterback for those five weeks.
48:21But Alex has a hand in that and they have evolved as time has gone on. It's not perfect. Sometimes
48:27you're too, too conservative. Although once again, I will tell you that Gerard Mayo is
48:31incredibly conservative and has approached the entire season conservatively. So who's
48:36giving the message to Alex to be conservative the most, Hey, it's third and 14. Let's just
48:42run a little wide receiver screen, get six yards and kick a field goal, attempt to field goal
48:46versus, Hey, you know what? We have Drake, let them run around, see what happens. Maybe he makes
48:50a play and we continue to drive. But Covington since week two, and I've been on this since week
48:56two, they have been a bad defense. They played two good games defensively from start to finish
49:01all year against the bears who were cratering and fired their offensive coordinator the day
49:07after that game. And obviously their head coach, I think a week or two later. And then of course,
49:12week one against Cincinnati, who historically, uh, does not know how to get out of bed for the
49:17first month of the season. That's it. Otherwise weekend and week out it's major league gashings
49:24on one side, whether it's through the air or on the ground, or in this case, both 232 passing
49:29163 yards, rushing 10 of 15 on third down, just an absolute train wreck. But once again,
49:37after the game Mayo continues to say, Oh, we had guys in position to make the plays on defense.
49:43He doesn't say that about offense. He says that about defense, which continues my theme.
49:48That's his one hand pick guy. Everybody else was Elliott Wolf hired him because I don't have a
49:53tree. I don't have enough guys. I don't have enough contacts because you didn't let me go
49:56outside the building and go coach somewhere else for a couple of years. You tried to keep me here.
50:00You kept me here. You gave me the promise and I'm not ready for this job. And it's been proven
50:05almost well, pretty much since week two, he's not ready for this and hasn't been ready for it.
50:09He makes mistakes, missteps at the podium. And last night might've been the worst one
50:16where, when he was asked about that quote is real. So on third down third and one from the four,
50:22good Lord, third one from the five, excuse me. In a two score game, they run up the gut twice,
50:29third down fourth down. They do not get it. I thought Antonio Gibson might've got hosed on the
50:33spot on the third down, but okay. Too many bodies in there. Fourth down, run it up to gut linebacker
50:40on block scrapes off the, off the nose guard blows up to play stops from Andre short
50:45asked after the game, if there was any consideration to having Drake may who's six,
50:49four, six, five, 220 pounds to quarterback sneak. He said, you said it. I didn't
51:00to the reporter, Phil Perry from NBC sports, Boston. You said it. I didn't.
51:06He was asked to clarify a couple of questions later. And he's like, once again, he's like,
51:09we decided not to do it, but I just wanted to correct. But clearly he took
51:14Alex van Pelt slapped the bus in reverse, ran him over, went forward, came back again,
51:20got him a second time, then had to address it in his Monday morning press conference.
51:26I'm sorry. His answer didn't make any sense this morning. He claims that Alex was like,
51:30what? No, no, we're good. Like whatever huge divide. And to me, this is another sign of poor
51:36leadership and sort of scurrying for the life raft. I'm not going to save you. I'm going to
51:43save myself. And I, I think there's almost, I've been saying this for a while. I wouldn't
51:49touch Alex, but I think Alex is going to be the fall guy. Yeah. A hundred percent. He's
51:54going to be the fall guy. You know what you're doing? Then you're starting your,
51:59he'll be a second year quarterback with his second offensive coordinator. Oh, by the way,
52:03not that Mack Jones is nearly as talented as Drake may three OCs in three years. Like you
52:08are just, you've gone down the road of this is what bad franchises do to mess up
52:16possible franchise quarterbacks. Like we've seen it a million times. There's a lot of,
52:20there's a Sam Darnold, maybe being the perfect example or recent examples. We talk about the
52:25year he's having in Minnesota. He got derailed by a Jets coaching staff and it's taken him how
52:32many years, six years to recover? Like some of these guys don't ever recover. So it's rough.
52:39Yeah. I just, I guess, like I said, last thing on that, I just, it's, it's kind of coaching.
52:47It's not coaching. Like you don't give a shit. Cause I don't think that's the case, but it does
52:51feel sometimes it's like, just like winging it a little bit to go whatever. It's like, not,
52:56it's like kind of looking at things as if you're still a coordinator and like someone else will be
53:02the fall guy. If, you know, and like, we're kind of coaching as if like, you know, you have no,
53:06the pressure's not on you in a sense of like not a big deal. And just think it's a dangerous game.
53:11It's hard to flip that switch. And if these guys, if guys in the locker room get used to the way
53:15you coach and in one way, it is hard to kind of go back in there and rebrand. It just is. So
53:22yeah, it's, I don't know, this whole staff, I don't think has covered themselves in glory at
53:27all this year. And it probably will be Van Pelt. That'll be the fall guy and someone will take
53:31the job because they want to still have a franchise that's well-respected and they have a
53:36young quarterback that could be special. There's a lot of money and weapons and potentially and all
53:40that stuff, but I'm, it won't happen, but I'm not so sure just fully saying, Hey man, it's one year.
53:46I know it sucks. We're going to fully clean house and like, we're just going to start over. And like,
53:52it's not, no disrespect. It just, maybe you weren't meant to be a coach. I don't know.
53:55We've seen it happen before. Again, this isn't going to happen, but I don't know. I think some
54:00team would come in and be like, some guys would come in and be really excited to go coach Drake
54:03May. Like it'd be a really good selling point. Probably, frankly, it might be the best job
54:06on the market if you knew you had all this opportunity to grow, but yeah, it's just,
54:11it's not been great. I'm not, I'm not overly impressed. Not, not been great at all. And
54:18yeah, they've, they've sunk to the bottom and I'm not sure that they've hit rock bottom just yet,
54:22which is a scary proposition, but I guess when you have two decades of success,
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