👉 A 161 días de la sustracción de Loan Danilo Peña, hablamos con José y María Paña, padres del menor y su abogado.
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00:00Let's talk about politics.
00:01The governor of the province, the mayor of July 9th,
00:06whom I remember you, Giselle, interviewed him here,
00:09and he showed that he didn't understand anything,
00:13he didn't know anything, July 9th was a paradise,
00:16everything was fantastic.
00:17While he was putting money.
00:18Exactly, everything was great.
00:19He recognized the strong authority of Maciel.
00:21And speaking well.
00:23Well, today, what position does the governor of the province
00:27have regarding these parents who have been looking for their son for months
00:31and they can't find him?
00:33Well, what position do the mayor of July 9th
00:36and the governor have?
00:37Look, prior to my intervention, they had a meeting,
00:39then there was a request.
00:40I particularly ask and exhort the governor
00:45to provide the support that the judicial power of currents requires
00:50to move forward.
00:51And I hope he gives it.
00:53In the same way that I exhort the national authorities.
00:55I think that Patrizia Bullrich, at the time, had resources,
00:59she received them from the parents.
01:02I mean, I'm not against anyone here.
01:03I think that...
01:04I hope that the governor, the president of the nation,
01:08and the minister of security,
01:09and prosecutor Casal,
01:10that I ask for two more prosecutors, urgently,
01:13because we have a lot of criminals,
01:14and few people working.
01:16Dr. Casal, I ask for two more prosecutors.
01:18I ask that we all work together.
01:21That we run politics.
01:24Do you mean criminals in the judicial framework?
01:26Of course, of course.
01:28Of course, because we have a federal prosecutor
01:32that sometimes can't come to hearings.
01:35Some prosecutors of the PROTEX,
01:36that after the 100th day, they stopped coming.
01:38Martín.
01:39So, effectively.
01:40So, we need two active prosecutors.
01:42PROTEX is no longer behind the case?
01:44Neither.
01:46And we need two active prosecutors.
01:48And it is the line that you are marking, let's say.
01:50Of course.
01:51So, I tell Casal,
01:52we need two active, permanent prosecutors,
01:54because here, if Lohan doesn't appear,
01:56if they don't clarify Lohan,
01:58here we have an international responsibility of the state,
02:01because this can't stay like this.
02:03Lohan didn't get lost.
02:04This is not, as Mr. Pirramire says,
02:05and it's Lohan's fault.
02:06It's Lohan's fault that he got lost.
02:08No, they say that the kids said he got lost.
02:10That Lohan disappeared.
02:12That's what the kids say.
02:14Yes, of course.
02:15He was swallowed by the earth.
02:16He disappeared.
02:17He went to a man and also said...
02:18And if no one speaks?
02:19If no one breaks?
02:20If no one breaks?
02:21If no one breaks...
02:22No one will break.
02:23Well, they will be in jail.
02:25It's impossible for that to happen.
02:26Someone has to break, brother.
02:28At this point...
02:29At this point, we are all exhausted,
02:30the country is still looking for Lohan,
02:32talking about Lohan.
02:33I think the opposite,
02:34that 100 days can pass.
02:35Forgive me, right?
02:36Because let's not forget
02:37that Maria and Jose are here,
02:38that the parents are here.
02:39We are talking about Lohan
02:40with the concern inherent to the case,
02:42but forgive us if these political issues are mixed up.
02:46Maria, because...
02:47Someone has to break, Guille.
02:48Yes, but...
02:49Because they know what Juan Pablo was saying.
02:51There are people who are going to get a life sentence.
02:54Who wants to be in jail forever?
02:56Someone has to speak
02:58for this to take another course.
03:00And if they don't speak,
03:01because they say,
03:02if you speak,
03:03your people who are outside,
03:04do you know what can happen to them?
03:05Well, it's going to be worse.
03:06That's why, too,
03:07they are not the ones who so far...
03:08They are the mafia.
03:09Of course.
03:10Until we get to our heads...
03:11Well, Macarena and Camila have a lot to say.
03:14Camila was next to Laudelina
03:16when I told Ramirez,
03:17go over there,
03:18take him over there.
03:19What did the psychological tests
03:21that were done to her show?
03:23She was working until this time.
03:25I think they are perfectly fit to testify.
03:29And we have asked the judge,
03:31even today,
03:32that both be called urgently.
03:35Because they also have a direct relationship
03:37with the facts that incriminate Benitez.
03:39Are they the two daughters of Laudelina?
03:41No, Macarena is Laudelina's daughter.
03:43And Camila is Lohan's cousin.
03:44Camila is cousin.
03:45She is cousin.
03:46She is Dionysia's daughter.
03:48No, she is Dionysia's son's partner.
03:50No, she is my nephew's wife.
03:52Of course.
03:53Mrs. Peña.
03:54And both of them are older?
03:56Yes, yes, yes.
03:57And both are for our taste
03:58and for the tests that we are seeing
04:00that are almost finished.
04:01Camila and Camila's mother.
04:02They are fit to testify.
04:04And they are two people who can contribute,
04:06who have also been threatened,
04:07who have also been kidnapped
04:08by this Dupuy group and the American.
04:10José María, what did you talk to them about?
04:12Because they have had contact.
04:14What do they tell you?
04:15She didn't talk to me about her.
04:17What did you talk about, María?
04:19With Macarena and Camila?
04:21No, not with Camila.
04:23With the girl,
04:25but she didn't want to tell me anything.
04:27Because it is documented
04:29that you approached her,
04:31that you told her to tell the truth.
04:33To Macarena, right?
04:34To Macarena, yes,
04:35but she didn't know how to give me an answer.
04:38She didn't want to?
04:39No, no, no.
04:41She told me that she doesn't know anything anymore.
04:45I don't know what happened to Lohan,
04:47and that's how she had me.
04:48Macarena and Camila went to Naranjal
04:50that afternoon with Laudelina.
04:52Yes, yes, yes.
04:53And with the rest of the children.
04:55Yes, at some point they return
04:57with Laudelina,
04:59once Laudelina tells them
05:01where they had to take the children.
05:03José, did they use your mother?
05:05Grandma Catalina?
05:07Did they use her to put her in her place?
05:10To put her in this as well?
05:13Because at one point,
05:14let's not forget,
05:15it was suspected.
05:16Everyone was talking about it.
05:17Yes, yes, yes.
05:18They blamed Angel.
05:19Exactly.
05:20Yes, but it had nothing to do with my mother,
05:22because she was there.
05:23She didn't leave that place.
05:25More than putting the house?
05:26More than putting the house,
05:27nothing else.
05:28She was there,
05:29turning around,
05:30not her,
05:31an old woman who is already 87 years old,
05:33and more than that,
05:34she doesn't go out anymore.
05:35I ask you this
05:36because at one point it was also said
05:37that this had generated problems
05:38among you, Maria.
05:40No.
05:41As for Catalina,
05:42the relationship you had.
05:44No, no, no, no.
05:45I don't, I don't.
05:46This is already...
05:47This is from before.
05:48They are already in the videos.
05:49Yes, yes, no, no.
05:50What does your heart say?
05:51Where is Loan?
05:53I say that...
05:54It listens to what you say.
05:55That, we want to know where Loan is,
05:57we all want to know where Loan is
05:59and what they did with Loan.
06:01It may be the most difficult question
06:02they ask Dr. Gallego,
06:03and Dr. Gallego,
06:05the most difficult to answer, right?
06:06Yes.
06:07Because one can't say,
06:08Loan is going to appear,
06:09Loan should appear.
06:11Loan, people,
06:12there are many who should break up.
06:14I'm going to make an exhortation here,
06:15direct,
06:16to several people.
06:18But,
06:20we are going for 161 days.
06:22Yes.
06:23And the time that passes
06:24has already been said a thousand times, right?
06:25Yes, yes, yes.
06:26From the point of view of criminal justice,
06:28it is clear that the time lost,
06:30the coverage of the first days.
06:31But I say that it seems to me
06:32that the demoralization,
06:33the demoralization that we have achieved,
06:34having,
06:35I say,
06:36because they have wanted us,
06:37they have wanted to fool us,
06:38let's say,
06:39with what there is,
06:40there is enough,
06:41and they have wanted us to say,
06:42no, no, no,
06:43they have nothing.
06:44Let's see,
06:45look in the journalistic archives.
06:46In the first hours of the case,
06:47Dr. Monti appeared,
06:48saying that Benítez
06:49had a relationship
06:50with Grandma Catalina
06:51for emotional healing
06:52and that he paid him
06:53with goods
06:54and with alcohol
06:55and so on.
06:56Then now they say
06:57that Catalina
06:58invited them
06:59because
07:00she wanted to celebrate
07:01that she found a cell phone.
07:02Then it turns out
07:03that she had seven cell phones,
07:04Catalina.
07:05Old cell phones.
07:06Let's stop lying,
07:07gentlemen.
07:08The one who organizes
07:09the kidnapping
07:10of a child
07:11that day
07:12and premeditates it
07:13is Laudelina Peña.
07:14So,
07:15they already have,
07:16they already gave 20 versions.
07:17The case is already
07:18filled with Laudelinos.
07:19It's okay,
07:20Laudelina
07:21orchestrated it
07:22and it came out
07:23and it came out perfect.
07:24They are chasing us.
07:25Now,
07:26they have already
07:27given us
07:2820 versions.
07:29Now,
07:30they take her away.
07:31They urge her
07:32to say
07:33that it was an accident.
07:34Today,
07:35well,
07:36she is in prison.
07:37Let's say,
07:38she also has
07:39some kind of limitation
07:40in terms of her defense.
07:41But in itself,
07:42why do they take her away?
07:43I think
07:44they are not leaving her.
07:45I think she was left
07:46in the middle
07:47of two situations.
07:48I think she does not want
07:49to end up
07:50betraying Benitez
07:51and does not want to end
07:52up breaking
07:53with Cailava
07:54and Perez.
07:55They are not separated.
07:56With which,
07:57of course,
07:58there is an intermediary
07:59of an accident
08:00that for me
08:01is implausible.
08:02But I think
08:03the statement
08:04of Perez and Cailava
08:05is not implausible.
08:06And the participation
08:07in the events
08:08of Perez and Cailava
08:09is not implausible.
08:10Of Perez in particular?
08:11And of Perez in particular.
08:12Yes, yes.
08:13And,
08:14I'm sorry,
08:15Miguel,
08:16I stay with what he said
08:17a while ago.
08:18Can you tell me
08:19something else?
08:20Why would he
08:21make this accusation
08:22against the former Marine
08:23Perez?
08:24The inquiry
08:25could give indicators
08:26similar to those
08:27of Cailava
08:28and Perez.
08:29Look,
08:30Pedophile.
08:31Of course.
08:32And being
08:33the person
08:34with the power,
08:35the operational capacity,
08:36vehicular,
08:37authority.
08:38And the relations
08:39with other pedophiles.
08:40There it is,
08:41that is the issue.
08:42It is clear.
08:43A network.
08:44The network of pedophilia.
08:45Well,
08:46I think
08:47we have to point
08:48out there
08:49and we are fine.
08:50That is why
08:51I always said
08:52that of the seven,
08:53none is holy
08:54and that the seven
08:55are well detained.
08:56But the head,
08:57the intellectual authority
08:58is related
08:59to a plan
09:00that arises
09:01in function
09:02of a network
09:03of pedophilia.
09:04Perhaps this
09:05ends,
09:06there it is,
09:07the question is good
09:08because I say,
09:09when I say
09:10the organizer
09:11is Audelina
09:12and probably
09:13Perez's head
09:14is a head
09:15that perhaps
09:16Audelina,
09:17sometimes,
09:18you think
09:19you are the most
09:20alive in the block
09:21and within the group
09:22there is
09:23the head
09:24of the organization
09:25and within the group
09:26that invites you
09:27to your house
09:28appears
09:29a pedophile.
09:30There is a network
09:31of pedophilia
09:32without having
09:33police protection
09:34in a town.
09:35Maciel knows
09:36about this situation.
09:37And I would like,
09:38I have asked,
09:39I have not declared yet,
09:40but I would like
09:41the priest to declare.
09:42I would like
09:43the priest to declare.
09:44The one who gave him protection
09:45when Maciel arrived.
09:46Yes,
09:47the one who gave
09:48Maciel housing
09:49and these things.
09:50I think that
09:51we are playing
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