"EL CASO LOAN ESTÁ CASI RESUELTO" - Juan Pablo Gallego, abogado querellante
El abogado de la familia de Loan Danilo Peña, de cinco años, desaparecido el 13 de junio en un paraje de la localidad de 9 de Julio, Corrientes, habló con el equipo de #QCD y aseguró estar muy cerca de la verdad.
"Vamos a tener nuevos detenidos en el caso Loan"
"Sabemos que alguien entregó a Loan ese día"
"ESTAMOS CERCA DE ENCONTRAR A LOAN" -
"Loan fue secuestrado, está confirmado"
"Loan no se perdió, tenemos las pruebas"
"El entregador de Loan no participó del almuerzo"
"Vamos a tener nuevos detenidos"
"El caso Loan debió resolverse en 24 horas"
"Lo entregaron por dinero"
"Hay dos sospechosos más"
Seguí en #QuienCuandoDonde #QCD
"Vamos a tener nuevos detenidos en el caso Loan"
"Sabemos que alguien entregó a Loan ese día"
"ESTAMOS CERCA DE ENCONTRAR A LOAN" -
"Loan fue secuestrado, está confirmado"
"Loan no se perdió, tenemos las pruebas"
"El entregador de Loan no participó del almuerzo"
"Vamos a tener nuevos detenidos"
"El caso Loan debió resolverse en 24 horas"
"Lo entregaron por dinero"
"Hay dos sospechosos más"
Seguí en #QuienCuandoDonde #QCD
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00:00The lawyer Juan Pablo Gallego, we are closer than ever to the truth.
00:07Today we spoke with him and he tells us, there are missing details,
00:12there are missing links, but the case is almost solved.
00:18It is almost solved. There is no international treatment network.
00:23There is a focused, local, and well-organized group.
00:28And we know why they took him to Loan.
00:31I think I have it communicated, already connected to Dr. Juan Pablo Gallego,
00:36because he surprised us in the last few hours with this statement.
00:40A case that, according to his loyal understanding,
00:43he was getting rid of, he used that expression,
00:46of everything that was making noise in the cause.
00:49Of everything that was there, he had distracted to one side,
00:53distracted to the other, and he believes that even intentionally,
00:57and he says, there is a new suspect,
01:00and in the next few hours or days, there will be new arrests.
01:06And there are people who are desperate for this.
01:09What is behind this? We ask him.
01:12Dr. Juan Pablo Gallego, how are you? Good afternoon.
01:17How are you, Bobby? How are you? How are you out there?
01:19Very well, thank you for these minutes.
01:21I know you are in great demand, with a lot of work,
01:23but we are also surprised by these statements,
01:26by this advance of the cause.
01:29Where is the thing going, doctor?
01:32He tells us that there will be new arrests, probably in the next few days.
01:38Well, it is very likely that yes.
01:40The judge is advancing very quickly on the hypothesis,
01:46which in good measure coincides with the look I had initially,
01:51even outside the cause.
01:53And surprisingly, I had to start intervening about a week ago,
01:59even surprisingly for me, because I was called directly by the parents.
02:04And now, I have just arrived from Corrientes,
02:07and I have called to ask for all measures,
02:10of things that had been done wrong deliberately.
02:13And well, with the conviction that we are now straightening the way to the truth,
02:19I understand that our position is shared by the judge,
02:24and also by the prosecutor of the cause.
02:26So, everything is heading to run away from those spectacular looks,
02:31from those issues, like the child who happened to pass by the orange tree,
02:36on a flying saucer, to a shopping center in Colombia.
02:39This type of thing, evidently, has helped to distract, to hinder.
02:45As we could also see in images, we saw a hotel full of people,
02:49who apparently detained the children who had to testify.
02:53Bobby, I was not only with the family, with the judge and with the prosecutor,
02:59but being in the exact space where Loan was extracted,
03:05I can assure you that Loan could not be lost,
03:08and a little bird could not be lost, or anything.
03:12Here they have taken our hair.
03:14There is a very similar case that I had to see during these hours in Goya,
03:19which was resolved in five days in total.
03:22I think that the Loan case should have been resolved in 24 hours,
03:25and the responsibilities of each one are already being analyzed,
03:28of those who got in the way and those who avoided it.
03:31But I think that the path to the truth is becoming inexorable.
03:36Juan Pablo Frito-Baque, how are you?
03:39I'm fine, I hope you're fine. I'm glad you're there, with courage.
03:43From the first day, I said that for me this was not a deal,
03:48that this was close to the family, and with the participation of the commissioner,
03:53and I insist on it even today, I don't know.
03:56What is your position that the judge and prosecutors share?
04:01What is your position regarding this?
04:04Not with names, but yes, the mechanics of the matter.
04:08Yes, Frito, I'm going to be careful because I have to be within the cause,
04:13but it is not very difficult to imagine.
04:16There we had a number of people having lunch,
04:20most of these people are detained,
04:24one of them gives it to a third party,
04:27in the eyes of other people, because it couldn't be otherwise.
04:32The place, the physical space where the transfer takes place,
04:36it is done in plain sight, in broad daylight,
04:40one day with few clouds, in an open space.
04:45Near the orange grove?
04:47Yes, yes, in that area.
04:52Another thing, before you continue,
04:55I continue to argue that my wife, a woman,
04:58cannot not have seen what happened that day,
05:01because they are attentive and have a sixth sense.
05:03But I want to continue going through the dynamics of the fact,
05:06in the eyes of all, without being able to explain
05:10that they have not seen what they should have seen,
05:12to whom they give it to, to LOAN.
05:14Is it someone who was at lunch and part of it,
05:18or is it someone who still needs to be found and detained?
05:22The person who would have withdrawn it,
05:25would not have participated in the lunch.
05:28Good. I asked you today, Doc, in the morning.
05:31I would like to affirm and assert what you mentioned previously,
05:34in terms of some names, which are like this.
05:37Perfect. This person to whom they give it,
05:39and take it from the place to LOAN,
05:42is someone from July 9th,
05:44or is someone who came from outside July 9th,
05:47to look for it, in quotation marks?
05:50He was at least on July 9th,
05:53before the facts occurred.
05:56Did he come to look for LOAN?
05:59Or was it a bluff?
06:02It will be confirmed,
06:05as soon as this person can be seated in front of the judge.
06:11I would tell you anyway,
06:13that it is likely that,
06:15I do not know exactly what this child was looking for,
06:18and that it was probably not a bluff,
06:21but he could have failed the maneuver,
06:24by which he was going for another child,
06:27and in that context,
06:30LOAN is withdrawn.
06:33Juan Pablo,
06:35why did Maciel not clarify the case that day?
06:41Well, this must be asked to all those who have intervened,
06:44with great respect,
06:46but it amazes me,
06:48and I have just arrived there,
06:50how this was not clarified.
06:52There were all kinds of interventions.
06:55The truth is that,
06:57I think I have rarely seen a case easier to solve.
07:00Of course, I say this with humility,
07:02and I say it with all the tranquility of the case,
07:05and knowing that many days have passed,
07:08but here the form was unequivocal,
07:11but here everything went wrong.
07:14Everything that went wrong,
07:16we are doing well.
07:18We are not discovering the world of law.
07:21In fact,
07:23I'm going to give you another exclusive advance for A24.
07:26The tracking went wrong,
07:29we believe that deliberately or by chance.
07:32There is an order from today's judge,
07:35making way for a request from this court,
07:39by which that tracking will be corrected in the next few hours,
07:43and it will be in our presence,
07:46to avoid new errors, new delays, new hindrances.
07:49So, there has been a very interesting commitment,
07:53of many people,
07:55that things go wrong,
07:57to hinder, to divert attention,
07:59and to make spectacular announcements,
08:02with the participation of the KGB, the CIA,
08:05and issues of a level of absurdity,
08:08that would be funny,
08:11if they had not wasted more than 100 days,
08:14to find a child, and to solve a simple case.
08:17There are thousands of questions that shoot me,
08:20but let's go by parts.
08:22Those who are, let's remember,
08:24six people who participated in the lunch,
08:27are three couples,
08:29and a seventh detainee, who is the commissioner.
08:32Those who are, are,
08:34or is there anyone who has nothing to do with it?
08:38I would believe that,
08:40the most convenient thing in this context,
08:43is to get a number,
08:45in front of the court,
08:47to confess, by alphabetical order,
08:49each one his responsibility.
08:51Perfect. You told me everything.
08:53Those who are, are,
08:54and each one has his fourth part of responsibility,
08:56and played a role.
08:58Now, is one missing, or are many missing?
09:01Let's not talk about the International Treaty Network,
09:04but is there an organization behind this?
09:07Small, local, and linked to what?
09:10Sadly, it's hard to hear.
09:15Well, it is believed that there is an organization,
09:18and that is led by,
09:21what is verified around one of the detainees,
09:26in what we can call cause B,
09:28the cause where there are more detainees than in cause A.
09:32There could be a direct link,
09:34of many people,
09:36who went to make tourism,
09:38and now we would discover,
09:41that probably that tourism,
09:43had some kind of direction.
09:45Let's see if I understand,
09:47and I try to read between the lines,
09:49as far as you can,
09:51because I understand that you are being very cautious, Doc.
09:53In that parallel cause,
09:55in which there are many people detained,
09:57supposedly linked to a foundation that is not such,
10:00there are many who arrived many days later,
10:02they have reprehensible behaviors or activities,
10:05but they arrived, supposedly,
10:07that's what they told us,
10:0910 days, 15 days later,
10:11now there is a different character to the rest,
10:13which is strange,
10:15it is suspected that that character,
10:17could have had something to do,
10:19directly in the disappearance of Lohan.
10:25It is part of the investigation,
10:27as you are too informed,
10:29it is quite difficult,
10:31not to play the enigmatic,
10:33but to try to be respectful,
10:35with the judge,
10:37but well,
10:39as you are a very intelligent person,
10:41and you have followed the case of day 0,
10:43obviously you do not miss details.
10:45I'm going to throw Juan Pablo to the pool,
10:47with two things,
10:49the first,
10:51it was said that the person,
10:53who takes Lohan,
10:55had,
10:57or some brand,
10:59or a lunar,
11:01or a burn,
11:03tattoo on the face,
11:05and that it was of male sex,
11:07is there something like that,
11:09around there,
11:11the one who takes it?
11:13The male,
11:15without a doubt, yes, yes.
11:17Well.
11:19Let's think,
11:21in a determining position,
11:23of someone who,
11:25provisionally,
11:27we can call him,
11:29with the letter S.
11:31Let's think,
11:33that from that letter S,
11:35there may be connections,
11:37to all the tips.
11:39And I'm going to throw myself,
11:41in this pool,
11:43and I hope it goes well,
11:45but I'm married to the truth,
11:47and I'm going to say it,
11:49I criticized her a lot,
11:51with the kids,
11:53I criticized her here,
11:55and I said that it was very bad,
11:57I didn't know her,
11:59then she called me,
12:01and she told me,
12:03look Fito,
12:05I was there,
12:07I don't know what,
12:09I don't know how much,
12:11and I'm going to take care of it,
12:13the other day she called me,
12:15and I went to visit her,
12:17because I have a special empathy,
12:19and I'm going to tell her,
12:21that it was a joke,
12:23and that the investigation was not interrupted,
12:25so I want to leave this,
12:27God willing,
12:29that I'm not wrong,
12:31but I'm convinced,
12:33that Cutaya finished,
12:35the rest not,
12:37because there are several,
12:39I read everything,
12:41I took the alert work,
12:43to the imputation of Cutaya,
12:45I'm still convinced,
12:47let's see,
12:49I want to go back to Loan,
12:51and to the information you bring us,
12:53I don't know if you want to make a comment,
12:55about Cutaya,
12:57or about everything that was there,
12:59that they interrupted,
13:01unintentionally,
13:03I don't have to suspect,
13:05of anyone's bad will,
13:07I start from the good will,
13:09of all the inhabitants,
13:11who want to inhabit the Argentine soil,
13:13even those who are denominated,
13:15with another nationality,
13:17but well,
13:19this is going to be a matter of what the judge decides,
13:21several people are arrested,
13:23and coincidentally,
13:25they fulfilled a mission,
13:27at least reckless, negligent,
13:29I had to talk to Bobby,
13:31there in the air,
13:33when I saw that,
13:35it caught my attention,
13:37that children were detained,
13:39who had to make a statement,
13:41in Gessel Chamber,
13:43the ABC,
13:45of something that should not be done,
13:47but hopefully,
13:49the more people are,
13:51who have been wrong,
13:53without a will to harm,
13:55it will be better,
13:57here my only goal,
13:59is to get to the truth,
14:01and that there is justice for Loan,
14:03and find the child,
14:05that is the goal,
14:07and the commitment that I made with the parents,
14:09I have no interest,
14:11I arrived,
14:13and he left it to me,
14:15is there a possibility of finding Loan?
14:19Well,
14:21I think that these movements,
14:23and these diligences,
14:25are going in relation,
14:27and in a direct way,
14:29to look for Loan,
14:31where it is,
14:33and in the conditions in which it is,
14:35we will not like,
14:37the answer that we will hear,
14:39We said,
14:43at the beginning,
14:45barely looking at the cause,
14:47that this was the word
14:49pedophilia,
14:51and it was an absent word,
14:53we are very clear about
14:55what a crime of human trafficking is,
14:57the serious,
14:59but you know what happened?
15:01Do you know who it is the first
15:03who pronounced the word trafficker?
15:05Who?
15:07the prosecutor of the first cause,
15:09when he was not convinced of the investigation.
15:13Since then, we have been hearing the word T.R.A.T.A. for a hundred days,
15:18and that Lohan appears in flying saucers in different places on the planet.
15:23But, curiously, we didn't talk about pedophilia again,
15:26and we didn't talk about what happened at that lunch,
15:30and to whom he turned himself in.
15:32And this was the part that had to be unravelled.
15:35Also, as I said, it was badly tracked,
15:37so we will be personally in a correction of that tracking,
15:41which will surely be in the next few hours,
15:43in order to also correct that,
15:46and the whole country will see what I saw hours ago.
15:49But if you talk to me, let's see,
15:51I'm worried about what you tell me, Doc,
15:52because if you talk about tracking,
15:54it's as if there was a possibility of finding something.
15:59Well, let's see, the diligence is already ordered by the judge,
16:03because he understood that our request was critical.
16:06We are seeing that both the judge and the prosecutor
16:10are on their way to seek the truth,
16:13so we are providing measures,
16:15providing our ideas, as an accusation should be,
16:19within a context of reasonableness and logic.
16:23We are not interested in raising,
16:26neither in the file nor outside the file,
16:28spectacular hypotheses that move, that multiply the rating,
16:33but that do not have any degree of anchoring in reality.
16:36Juan Pablo...
16:36We are in tune with the judge, yes.
16:40For you, LOAN is in current
16:43or adjacent areas within the Argentine Republic?
16:50The result of these diligence will tell.
16:53What we say is that as a link was omitted,
16:56which was not easy to discover,
16:59we stayed all this time with the unknown.
17:01What we want, above all, is to clear this unknown,
17:05basically for LOAN and for his father, right?
17:08Juan Pablo, this is Dr. Alarcón.
17:11I want to tell you something sincerely,
17:13from what I heard, there is nothing new.
17:16You said that an orange tree was lost,
17:19that someone, surely the family took it,
17:23and that he gave it to someone,
17:24which is what I heard on the first day,
17:26and that I said that there is a deal,
17:27precisely because LOAN was taken away.
17:30Who? I don't know.
17:31And of course the deal also deals with pedophilia,
17:34child pornography, etc., etc.
17:36And I don't hear you say anything,
17:38because I heard you referring to these people
17:41who were in the hotel,
17:43and you don't talk about CODACI,
17:44and you don't talk about the senator.
17:47It surprises me, because if there are people
17:49who tried to cover up the cause, it is that.
17:52And another thing that strikes me powerfully,
17:55Audelina made her statement to the Federal Police
18:00and the expert said that she is not a mythomaniac.
18:03But let's say she had lied.
18:05Let's say that one of the people there
18:07is responsible, which without a doubt one is,
18:09because LOAN did not disappear.
18:11Now, there is nothing new about what you are saying,
18:14only that you know the truth,
18:16seeing in five days.
18:17Are you telling me that the other colleagues,
18:19making fun, blah, blah, blah,
18:22didn't want to see this or did it on purpose?
18:27I have not mentioned any colleague at any time.
18:31And I agree, and I said it at the beginning of this exhibition,
18:35that this should have been resolved on the first day.
18:38So I'm not saying anything too new.
18:40We all saw the table, we all saw the drawer,
18:43and we all saw that operation,
18:45which later led to other things.
18:47I don't know why it led to other things.
18:48No, but you said the word was easy.
18:51Discovering this was easy.
18:53And I say, and the other lawyers,
18:55and the other justice,
18:57who didn't want to see if it was that easy.
19:01I don't know.
19:01That will be revealed by the result of the investigation
19:04and what the judge has to say.
19:05I am not the one to judge or to adjust anyone.
19:08But for you, Codazzi, what influence did he have on this issue?
19:11Nothing?
19:13I mean, Codazzi is the Tour de Laudelina.
19:18I am not interested in the least.
19:21I am not interested in the least,
19:22as long as it has nothing to do with the actions
19:26we are asking for to find Alohan.
19:28I am not interested in politics,
19:29I am not interested in any party,
19:31and I am not interested in any participation.
19:33If any of the people you name
19:36get in the way of the path we are developing
19:39with these actions,
19:41I will not hesitate to denounce it
19:44or to require some measure.
19:46At the moment, my task is to stay away from everything.
19:51But it's not politics.
19:52Codazzi is a lawyer.
19:53They will be the ones who will be.
19:54But Codazzi is a lawyer who led Laudelina
19:56to the main implicated.
19:57And I see that you don't talk about that.
19:58You talk about these people who, for me,
20:00did make a mistake,
20:01and there they messed up others,
20:02but to believe that after a month
20:04they are the only ones who have to do with the case
20:06and that the rest have nothing to do with the case,
20:08surprises me.
20:09And you say, it was easier,
20:10in five days I saw it.
20:11It really surprises me.
20:13I tell you with all due respect,
20:14that you are a great lawyer and I respect you.
20:16But you say,
20:17and I don't know what the others are seeing,
20:19colleagues who are watching will say,
20:20if it was so easy that we couldn't see it.
20:22Yes.
20:50Ximena Damasco also wanted to ask you a question, Dr. Gallego.
23:20But I think we are on the right track
23:22and I think the judge is seeing where the issue is, right?
23:27Juan Pablo, I go back a little bit.
23:31I stayed recalculating.
23:33Did I get it wrong or did you say,
23:36when they handed it over,
23:37several saw when they handed it over?
23:39Did I get it wrong or was that what you said?
23:43It was impossible for several people not to see.
23:47So that lunch, that meeting,
23:49was it a spontaneous situation
23:52and there was an opportunity for something
23:55or were they already summoned with a predetermined objective?
24:02It may be that some did and others did not.
24:04As for the predetermined objective,
24:06it may be that some did and others did not.
24:09And basically, as we well know,
24:11some of the presidents at that table went to the orange house
24:16and others did not.
24:17We will have to see if those adults
24:21who went to the orange house
24:23had that predetermined objective during lunch.
24:26Which means that in the event of an existence,
24:28it extends to everyone.
24:29And the vote, Juan Pablo, what do we know?
24:34Well, it has been part of all this mythomania
24:38and all this fantasy.
24:39Undoubtedly, that is why I say,
24:40I think there has been,
24:42when I say this was easy to solve,
24:44evidently from minute zero
24:47there was a decision to hinder,
24:49to prevent and to alter the evidence.
24:52This is more than clear.
24:54That's why, let's say,
24:55it seems to me that whoever plants a boot,
24:57one thing is that someone out there tells me,
24:58well, look, there is someone who was in a good mood
25:02to help because he became sensitive.
25:04And maybe it can be, huh?
25:06It can be, why not?
25:07Hopefully.
25:07Or looking for a camera.
25:09Now from minute zero.
25:11I tell you, or looking for a camera,
25:13or looking for the press,
25:14but not for trying to help
25:16and not to hinder.
25:20Hopefully, I'm not going to be a executioner.
25:23I mean, I hope that most of the people who have acted,
25:30and even when it can be an object of reproach,
25:33I hope they can believe that he did it in good faith.
25:36Here, I am encouraged by a single question.
25:39Yes.
25:40No, I want to recap because we are all moved
25:42and there are many people who are smoldering here and there,
25:45surprised by this almost outcome,
25:49that may have a resolution in the disappearance of Lohan,
25:52a boy who disappeared 109 days ago,
25:54and it seemed that the solution was almost in sight
25:58and it was a matter of clearing the forest
26:02to be able to see the trees.
26:03Let's see.
26:04So we have people who gather for lunch,
26:08some already knowing where they were going,
26:10others who do not.
26:11The abduction of a minor happens in sight of everyone,
26:14in a place where he could not have disappeared
26:16if it were not for the action or the deliberate omission
26:20of many of the people there.
26:23Those who are detained are, I wonder then,
26:26what role did the commissioner play in this story?
26:29He was not at lunch, but then he deployed actions
26:33or he stopped deploying them,
26:35because there is even talk of chat filtering,
26:37where at this time I do not know if it is true or not,
26:40they talk about the chats of the commissioner being leaked,
26:43where they talk about the delivery of the creature.
26:46Did he investigate wrongly or did he have something to do with it?
26:52Well, the central figure that Maciel faces
26:56is that of coverage, right?
26:58So I think that basically his action
27:00is linked to that type of act,
27:04even the one related to the loot,
27:06the one related perhaps with a bad tracking,
27:09but hey, I don't want to get ahead either.
27:11Each of the defendants has private defenders
27:15who are doing their job,
27:16but hey, for now I think they are all detained
27:20with a degree of responsibility,
27:21at least in the criteria of the judge.
27:23Juan Pablo and the tracking,
27:25because the tracking gives me fear,
27:27because it is going to be with dogs
27:32that have the ability to search for human remains.
27:38What is going to be searched for in the tracking?
27:40What are you going to look for?
27:45Fundamentally, that the part that is traced
27:48either by rude error or by deliberation,
27:52was not traced.
27:53And among those that were not traced ...
27:54And that was already admitted by the judge ...
27:56Yes, and among those that were not traced,
27:58because there was a long time ago, a route to 123,
28:02and I connect it with the fact that the family did,
28:04I don't want to use the word reconstruction,
28:06but yes, there is an experience
28:08of seeing how long it took to get to Route 12,
28:11which is a national truncated route
28:13that can take you both to the triple border
28:15and to the south.
28:17Does it have to do with that area?
28:19Yes.
28:22It will focus on the crime scene, basically,
28:26and the tracking was not done in the way of life.
28:30At some point it was advertised
28:31as if it was traced from Ushuaia to La Quiaca,
28:34but we have provided the detail
28:38of why the area that had to be tracked was not traced,
28:41and we have obtained the dictation of the favorable measure,
28:44and we will be guardians of that measure,
28:47and we think that the judge will also be a guardian
28:49of the measure that she has just dictated,
28:51because it is also transcendent
28:53both to delimit the fact
28:55and the responsibility of some of the participants.
28:57So the search target
28:59can be very close to Grandma Catalina's house
29:04in the place of the disappearance?
29:08It is likely that yes.
29:09Jorge.
29:10Juan Pablo, did you meet with the judge?
29:15I was in the court, I was in the prosecution,
29:17I was with the family, and I was at the crime scene.
29:20But did you meet with the judge?
29:21I was in the court.
29:22But with the judge?
29:23What is the question?
29:24Because the question was, you told the judge,
29:26look, no one saw this, I found it.
29:29Did you talk to the judge?
29:32Of course the petitions have been made in writing,
29:37they are still being made in writing,
29:38but we have had personal contact, of course.
29:41Well, we are moved this afternoon
29:44by the information you bring us,
29:45we have abused a little of your time,
29:47I know they were unlimited,
29:49so we thank you generously
29:51for the time you gave us.
29:52And hopefully, let's see,
29:54I don't know if to say hopefully this is it,
29:57hopefully the truth is reached,
29:59hopefully it is closer than distant in time,
30:02even to be able to give an answer to the family,
30:04the truth of what happened to the little one.
30:06Doc, thank you very much.
30:09That is the central thing, so well, thank you,
30:11a greeting to the floor and to the distinguished colleagues
30:15who participate, I believe, with absolute,
30:18both good faith and legal contributions.
30:21A big hug, Dr. Gallego.