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- Mohammad Zubair (Former Governor Sindh)
UK court declares Hasan Nawaz ‘bankrupt’ | Kashif Abbasi's Detail Analysis
" Be Shak Sab Ko Girftar Kar Len Jail Mein Dal Den, Mein Yaqeen Dilata Hon Fatah Hamari Hogi."
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with me, Kashif Abbasi.
00:15The Muslim League was on a mission to save the country from Diwali.
00:19You may remember that in the last two years, we have repeatedly heard that we have come to save the country.
00:25But Hassan Nawaz Sharif himself celebrated Diwali in Britain.
00:29We have repeatedly heard this from the leaders of the Muslim League.
00:34They have said that we have wasted political capital.
00:38We have incurred a loss of capital by taking over the government in 2022.
00:42Here, it seems that the economic capital has also incurred a lot of loss.
00:47Hassan Nawaz, who used to do a lot of business under his name,
00:54It seems that he had business in London.
00:58He declared bankruptcy to the extent of one company.
01:02According to the British High Court, Hassan Nawaz Diwaliya, who lives in Evanfield,
01:07Evanfield is the same London flats that were punished by Mr. Mian for not giving the money trail.
01:13This was the case of Panama.
01:15He came because these flats had come in front.
01:18And it was asked that whose property is this flat?
01:22Even today, Hassan Nawaz, who lives in Evanfield flats,
01:26Mr. Mian also lives there.
01:28He lives there.
01:30But we still do not know whose property these flats are.
01:34London's High Court of Justice has declared Diwaliya in the case of a company of former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's son
01:40on behalf of the Tax and Revenue Department of the British Government.
01:46Diwaliya was declared in May 2024.
01:49But according to the public record,
01:52the director of 17 Evanfield houses and various companies
01:56was declared Diwaliya in the High Court of Justice in the case number 694 of 2023.
02:03Now what is the benefit of it?
02:05According to the BBC story,
02:07Diwaliya is declared when you cannot afford to pay the loan.
02:12That is, the loan that you have taken,
02:14they cannot return it.
02:18Evanfield is in it.
02:20Diwaliya is in it.
02:22Now we have to see how many more companies have Diwaliya in them.
02:25The big news is also that it is a decent family.
02:28It is also because it is a rich family.
02:31It is also because they live in apartments like Evanfield and Mayfair.
02:35And this is such a big news because those apartments are very expensive.
02:38At least according to us, according to Pakistanis, they are very expensive.
02:41Despite that, when you hear this news,
02:44there is a little tension.
02:46Because Mr. Mian was also in these apartments.
02:48You must have seen it.
02:50He was in London.
02:52Anyway, this is not an Evanfield apartment.
02:54Mr. Mian had a conversation here.
02:56But Mr. Mian, who was in London and then went to Geneva,
02:59has finally returned to Pakistan.
03:01He had a conversation with the media in London.
03:03I was very surprised to hear some things about Mr. Mian.
03:05I thought, what does he want to say?
03:07Mr. Mian said, I don't want to say anything that will end the country.
03:12The issue is not about resigning or not resigning.
03:15Mr. Mian is silent because being silent is his compulsion.
03:19How can we say that there is a democracy in this country?
03:23Elections have been held.
03:25The government is made up of Form 47.
03:27When your ministers call the system a hybrid,
03:31and it looks okay,
03:34then the tension increases.
03:37Mr. Mian, how can we say that the 26th amendment
03:40that he is calling a hybrid,
03:42is a hybrid because it has buried freedom of justice
03:45after years of efforts.
03:48And all this so that the government can run.
03:52No court, no other system can run this government.
03:57Although it is a system of checks and balances.
04:00Government judges will be elected.
04:03And they will decide on the legal matters.
04:06The judge who is disliked will be considered a civil judge.
04:09In the end, he will be limited to listening to the cases of murder and murder.
04:14Anyway, as I said, during the conversation in London,
04:17the responsibility of the destruction of democracy
04:19was put on Mr. Imran Khan by Mr. Mian Nawaz Sharif.
04:23He has disqualified a Prime Minister
04:26like the judges of that time.
04:29Imran Khan is the one who spoils democracy.
04:33He did a lot.
04:35He did a lot against us along with the BJP.
04:38The DGSI of that time, General Faiz,
04:41he did a lot against us along with them.
04:44And he is right, he did a lot.
04:47But does the responsibility of the destruction of democracy
04:50only fall on Imran Khan?
04:52Imran Khan should also answer for what he did.
04:55His own deals, the experience of a hybrid system,
04:58imprisoning opponents, restrictions on the media,
05:01he started all these problems.
05:04Because of the hybrid system,
05:06there were tests.
05:08Getting people out of the party,
05:10South Punjab, Maharashtra,
05:12and how these governments were made,
05:15all these responsibilities and beneficiaries fall on Imran Khan.
05:19The misfortune of that country is that
05:21the fascism that was started from there,
05:24it did not end there.
05:26In fact, the fascism,
05:29has been around for the past two years.
05:31According to Mian Sahib,
05:33Imran Khan is responsible for the fascism.
05:36He must have started it.
05:38But the current government has set new records for it.
05:41The beneficiary of the hybrid system,
05:43where the government of the time has been made,
05:45the democratic system has become its biggest casualty.
05:49The plans to make and destroy governments
05:51have always killed democracy, the constitution, and human rights.
05:56It is still going on in Pakistan.
05:58Mian Sahib often wants to say a lot in poetry.
06:02He tried to read another poem.
06:04He forgot half of it.
06:06What was the poem?
06:08Please listen.
06:10Ghalib hume na chher,
06:12ke phir josh-e-ashq se,
06:14baite hain tahiya-e-toofaan ki yeh huye,
06:18baite hain tahiya-e-toofaan ki yeh huye,
06:21baite hain tahiya-e-toofaan ki yeh huye,
06:25hum se kya poochte hai yaar?
06:27We ask because you also have a lot of secrets.
06:32You also have to tell a lot of secrets.
06:34Obviously,
06:36the poem that Mian Sahib read and forgot half of,
06:40it is like his memory.
06:42Whatever happened in the last two years,
06:44Mian Sahib does not remember all of it.
06:48The way a poem is forgotten,
06:49he has also forgotten it.
06:51Did Imran Khan deal with the jail and go to London?
06:54Did he deal with the jail and come back to Pakistan?
06:57Did he fly a pigeon on the Minar-e-Pakistan?
06:59Did he imprison his opponent?
07:01Did he snatch election votes?
07:02Did he not even let him run an election campaign?
07:04Did he not stop people from partying?
07:06Did he not stop people from entering their homes
07:08and breaking the internet?
07:09Did he not stop mobile services?
07:10Did he not stop mobile services?
07:11It felt like nothing was happening in this country.
07:13Then the elections took place.
07:14We saw a miracle of Form 47.
07:17After that,
07:18when someone tried to protest,
07:20you do not even allow anyone to protest now and then.
07:23I remember a sentence,
07:24I often tell that
07:25revolution was to come,
07:26it was to come ahead.
07:27This is the degradation of democracy
07:33that has happened in this country.
07:35This is our real problem, Mr. Mian.
07:37Along with the lion,
07:39in the last two years,
07:42you have become the beneficiary of this whole system.
07:44You will have to see that too.
07:46You will have to keep that in mind
07:49when you talk about this.
07:51It seems that in 2022,
07:53your memory will be lost.
07:55Anyway, as I was saying,
07:57your own government has implemented Form 144.
08:00I am sure it will happen in Punjab too.
08:02The right to protest in this country, Mr. Mian,
08:04is a fundamental democratic right.
08:07But in our country,
08:08it is a luxury that not everyone has.
08:11Even in its own time,
08:12Tariq-e-Insaf did not make a record
08:14worthy of democracy.
08:15But in the past two years,
08:17the secret funeral has also come out.
08:20Protest is not just a do or die for Tariq-e-Insaf.
08:23All the stakeholders of this system
08:27are almost all in that do or die.
08:29Because the success of one party
08:31will become electricity for the other.
08:33What does the success of Tariq-e-Insaf
08:36mean?
08:37Generally, such protests do not succeed.
08:40We have not seen governments fall from protests.
08:43But if Tariq-e-Insaf succeeds,
08:46it means that the government will also go
08:49and the system will also be shocked.
08:51And if Tariq-e-Insaf fails,
08:54the system will survive and the government will survive.
08:56I don't think the government
08:59will allow Tariq-e-Insaf to enter Islamabad.
09:02A lot of effort will be made.
09:04All kinds of power will be used
09:06so that these people or the mass
09:09can be kept away from Islamabad.
09:12And a lot of effort will be made.
09:14But Tariq-e-Insaf may feel that
09:17the attempt will be to expand the scope
09:20of this protest throughout Pakistan.
09:23Who will be successful?
09:25Who will fail?
09:26The decision will be made in time.
09:28This is a cat-and-mouse game
09:30that is about to begin.
09:32Now the government will arrest people.
09:35The opposition will hide
09:37and will try to organize itself.
09:39We have Salman Akram Raja with us.
09:41Let's see what strategy he has in mind.
09:44Assalam-o-Alaikum, Salman Akram Raja.
09:45Yes, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
09:47Raja sahib, tell us,
09:4914th is almost here.
09:52It seems that too much is riding
09:55on this one date for you.
09:57On this one date, 24th November,
10:00a lot is depending on it.
10:03Tariq-e-Insaf, Imran Khan's political future,
10:06maybe one or two years of politics.
10:09Tell us, what do you see as the biggest problem?
10:14What will be the biggest problem for you?
10:19Look, why do you say that
10:21too much is riding on this?
10:23I don't think so.
10:24We totally understand that
10:26this is the moment when things should happen.
10:29We cannot remain silent.
10:31In this country,
10:32barbarism, law, and the attack on the constitution
10:35have reached a point where
10:36it is necessary to raise our voice.
10:38The people of Pakistan will have to come out.
10:41There is no other way.
10:42The courts have been closed.
10:44Our election cases,
10:45the election fraud,
10:47have been handed over to retired judges.
10:49When the election took place,
10:50the judges of the High Court had to listen to them.
10:52You changed the constitution.
10:54You are creating a bench of your choice.
10:57There was no way for the elections
10:59because you had to change the results.
11:02There was no way for the courts.
11:04What other way do we have
11:06other than coming out on the streets?
11:08We will definitely come,
11:10but this is the end and the beginning.
11:15Sir, I will go from here.
11:17When you said,
11:18why too much is riding on this?
11:20Generally, when you start with such statements
11:23that this is do or die,
11:24this is the end.
11:25One day, everything will happen.
11:28Justice will achieve its goal.
11:30Everyone should come out.
11:32When you say all this,
11:33it means that if this fails,
11:35then we have seen in the past
11:37that even for a few months or a year,
11:39political parties cannot recover
11:41from such political failures.
11:44When you say that
11:45we have achieved our goals here.
11:47Let me give you an example.
11:48There was a protest in 2014.
11:50Initially, it was a very successful protest.
11:52Imran Khan and people used to come
11:54to listen to his protests.
11:56When Imran Khan used to give a call
11:58to the Jalsa,
11:59sometimes only 4,000 people used to come
12:01and not 3,000.
12:02Exhaustion had come.
12:03Sometimes this happens.
12:04That is why I am saying
12:05that too much is riding on this.
12:09I don't think this is the case.
12:11People think that the country
12:13is completely in the grip of
12:15lawlessness and tyranny.
12:17On that day, we will see.
12:19People have a right to come out
12:21in an organized and peaceful manner.
12:23They can record their protests
12:25and walk on the streets.
12:27But if on that day,
12:28tyranny was done,
12:29beatings were done,
12:30and people were arrested,
12:32then this will also be an incident
12:34that will be in front of people.
12:36It will leave a mark on their minds.
12:38This matter will continue.
12:40Our history and our politics
12:42are going through a process of evolution.
12:44I think this is a good evolution.
12:46Although we are fighting
12:48against a negative environment,
12:50but this fight continues.
12:52I think we are deteriorating.
12:54We are not evolving.
12:56We are deteriorating.
12:58We are deteriorating on one level.
13:00You are right.
13:02On one level, you are right.
13:04What we have seen at this time
13:06is shamelessness.
13:08We did not see it in Zia's time.
13:10We did not see it in Musharraf's time.
13:12We did not see the way
13:14that women are raped
13:16and humiliated in their homes.
13:18We did not see the way
13:20that people are made to disappear.
13:22Be it Punjab or Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
13:24this was happening in Balochistan.
13:26This is a completely new
13:28stage of deterioration.
13:30This has happened.
13:32But at the same time,
13:34there is a consciousness
13:36that was not there before.
13:38There is anger,
13:40there is hatred in the society.
13:42All these things
13:44are the foundation of a new society.
13:46The society has become anti-establishment.
13:48If you look at the voting patterns,
13:50there is a lot of anti-establishment
13:52that was not there before.
13:54Crackdowns will definitely happen.
13:56This is a good thing.
13:58People have gone towards democracy.
14:00They want to vote for political people.
14:06In every country in the world,
14:08every state has
14:10police,
14:12every state has
14:14guns,
14:16every state has
14:18police stations.
14:20But why is all this not happening there?
14:22It is not happening because
14:24the society has reached a level
14:26where it has decided
14:28that it does not want to accept this.
14:30Then it cannot happen.
14:32Then no matter who the ruler is,
14:34his rules do not affect.
14:36This is a phase
14:38that we had to decide.
14:40I think we have reached a stage
14:42where people will not
14:44tolerate this kind of barbarism.
14:46Maybe this matter will continue
14:48for a few more days,
14:50but I see a dawn
14:52at the end of it.
14:54You see light at the end of the tunnel.
14:56When will you be picked up?
14:58The Secretary General will not leave you.
15:00This can happen at any time.
15:02But have you discussed
15:04whether you will be picked up?
15:06Of course, governments do this.
15:08If you have made a duo,
15:10you will be picked up.
15:12No, look,
15:14this should not happen in the future.
15:16We are standing with the same resolve
15:18and discussing
15:20that no government in Pakistan
15:22should be built
15:24on the basis of someone's
15:26background.
15:28Governments should be made by the people.
15:30The people should be made.
15:32This is a wise view
15:34in the society and in the movement for justice.
15:36The people who sell churan
15:38are doing it to get blessings.
15:40They should be removed
15:42and brought to us.
15:44This is not the case at all.
15:46PTI voters will not tolerate this at all.
15:48Muslim League Noon Amiya
15:50has proven that the votes
15:52started with respect
15:54which started on the basis of principles
15:56and democracy and ended with deals.
15:58Now this decision will be made
16:00on the basis of principles.
16:02You are right.
16:04People deal with this
16:06because it is not a big deal.
16:08People deal with power politics.
16:10Murad Khan was right in 2018.
16:12You are right.
16:14But look,
16:16they have become a lesson.
16:18A child knows that
16:20on 8th February,
16:22they got 17 seats in the whole of Pakistan.
16:24Where can they do politics today?
16:26Where are their roots?
16:28There is no moral power
16:30or political existence.
16:32That is why I think that
16:34the society and the politicians
16:36are seeing this.
16:38There are so many people
16:40with PTI
16:42who are related to politics
16:44as a family.
16:46They are also seeing
16:48where the wind is blowing
16:50and where the society is going.
16:52These seats will also be demanded.
16:54These seats will also be demanded.
16:56These seats will also be demanded.
16:58Why is there a joke
17:00about the people sitting on these seats?
17:02There is always a joke
17:04and people always sit.
17:06But I hope that
17:08one day we get it to a point
17:10where the politicians
17:12decide together
17:14that there is no need for power politics.
17:16But a little while ago,
17:18I told you...
17:20No, the politicians should not do it.
17:22The people have to decide.
17:24But the people you put on the chair
17:26after looting the elections,
17:28they have no status.
17:30They are just puppets.
17:32Their decision has no value.
17:34The decision is of the public.
17:36The public decides.
17:38Then let's leave it.
17:40Tell me, if you get arrested...
17:42No, don't leave it.
17:44I am saying this.
17:46I am not talking about leaving it in that context.
17:48I am talking about the ground reality.
17:50The ground reality is that
17:52the decision is of the public.
17:54But then there will be another decision.
17:56And if that decision is not implemented in the country...
17:58No, those decisions
18:00are put in the bin of history
18:02in the rest of the world.
18:04What is the reason?
18:06Because the society does not accept those decisions.
18:08In our country, a lot of people
18:10watch their lives on TV.
18:12They tell me, you have gone mad.
18:14Why are you doing all this?
18:16You were a good lawyer.
18:18I don't understand.
18:20You were a good lawyer.
18:22You made a lot of money.
18:24Why are you doing all this?
18:26You are right.
18:28But these are the decisions
18:30that people make in a society.
18:32Then the society changes.
18:34I am absolutely sure
18:36that the society is moving
18:38in the right direction.
18:40And when other people make these decisions,
18:42then the decisions of Muqtadara
18:44will have no value.
18:46Sir, I believe that people should
18:48try their best
18:50at any time
18:52when the decisions
18:54of the countries
18:56and nations are being made.
18:58So that whenever
19:00you look back at your life,
19:02you feel that
19:04when it mattered,
19:06then I definitely played a part in it.
19:08Anyway,
19:10this is not just for today.
19:12It is for the past and the future.
19:14If you get arrested,
19:16will you be free?
19:18Because I have heard that
19:20if someone gets arrested
19:22or a person comes with 5000 rupees,
19:24then he is free.
19:26People get arrested
19:28on demand.
19:30For God's sake,
19:32I don't want to get arrested.
19:34I don't want to get out.
19:36So it is known
19:38who has been arrested
19:40on demand
19:42and who has been arrested
19:44on demand.
19:46So people should
19:48face the truth
19:50and move forward.
19:52Victory is ours.
19:54We cannot be defeated.
19:56I am absolutely sure about this.
19:5824th November is
20:00a sign of our victory.
20:02Sir, are you saying
20:04that either we will win morally
20:06or we will be defeated by the government
20:08or we will win morally.
20:10If that is a win-win for you,
20:12you will see
20:14that we will win both ways.
20:16We will win morally,
20:18we will win politically
20:20and we will be defeated by the government.
20:22I am absolutely sure about this.
20:24This is a process that has started
20:26and it will not stop.
20:28Sir, Ali Ameen Gandapur
20:30had called for a meeting
20:32about the slogans of Jihad.
20:34I remember that
20:36during the long march
20:38of May 2022,
20:40there was a lot of Jihad.
20:42We use Jihad a lot in our political
20:44debates.
20:46Earlier, you used to stop Jihad.
20:48We also use fatwas.
20:50We use fatwas for VPN.
20:52Wait a minute.
20:54We may have to use fatwas
20:56for other things as well.
20:58Religion is used a lot in this country.
21:00If you look at the history,
21:02the downfall of Muslims
21:04started because of such fatwas.
21:06There is a very interesting clip
21:08of Salim Safi.
21:10He said that
21:12the picture has become halal.
21:14He said that the picture is haram.
21:16But is the picture written
21:18on the phone halal or haram?
21:20Scholars disagree on this
21:22and their students
21:24take advantage of this disagreement.
21:26How beautifully
21:28he put all this into perspective.
21:30But this is the problem here.
21:32Loudspeaker is haram,
21:34TV is haram.
21:36Scholars also give statements
21:38on TV.
21:40VPN is haram.
21:42I think scholars have been told
21:44that VPN is used for one purpose only.
21:46To see something.
21:48There are many other things.
21:50You can use Twitter.
21:52Scholars know everything.
21:54Scholars are not so ignorant.
21:56They know everything.
21:58They also know
22:00why something is being said.
22:02They know why something is being said
22:04This is also a miracle of our scholars.
22:06Let's take a break.
22:08Salman will be back after the break.
22:10Tell us about the plan.
22:12You will not tell the whole plan.
22:14But the government will not let you come.
22:16There will be a crackdown on you.
22:18People will be picked up.
22:20The roads to Islamabad will be closed.
22:22You will remember that
22:24it used to be a big phrase.
22:26Revolution was to come.
22:28But Rana did not let Tariq-e-Ansar
22:30come for May 2022.
22:32This will be a political defeat
22:34for Tariq-e-Ansar.
22:38Are you aware of this?
22:40What will be your plan B?
22:42Let's take a break.
22:44We will be back after the break.
22:46Welcome back.
22:48Salman Akram Raja is with us.
22:50Salman, tell us
22:52Ali Ameen has said
22:54that he will attend
22:56the Apex committee meeting.
22:58He will talk to them.
23:00What do you want to say to them?
23:02What did they not do last year?
23:04What breakthrough do you think
23:06will happen this time?
23:08Did they talk to you about this?
23:12I cannot give you
23:14any details.
23:16But there are win-win solutions.
23:18This is a stupidity.
23:20You are trying to suppress
23:22the biggest political party
23:24in the country.
23:26You wasted one or two years
23:28and now you are saying
23:30that we will give a political
23:32defeat by digging up the country
23:34on November 24th,
23:36by closing the roads
23:38of the country,
23:40by kidnapping people
23:42and beating them.
23:44This will be a defeat
23:46for the state
23:48if they do all this.
23:50They are not understanding
23:52that the world is not dumb.
23:54What is happening in Pakistan
23:56Who is setting up a factory
23:58in this country?
24:00Who is investing in this country?
24:02We are saying to them
24:04that God will take care
24:06of the children of this country.
24:08You are saying that
24:10we will not come back
24:12after our funerals.
24:14For whom are you saying
24:16this?
24:18These are the dialects
24:20of different people.
24:22We think that our movement
24:24will not improve in Pakistan.
24:26We will get rid of
24:28falsehoods and lies.
24:30This is absolutely right.
24:32Believe me,
24:34our voters
24:36will not be
24:38influenced by these things.
24:40Decisions have been made.
24:42On November 24th,
24:44arrest us all,
24:46put us in jails,
24:48dig up the roads.
24:50We will win.
24:52We will win.
24:54We will win.
24:56We will win.
24:58We will win.
25:00We will win.
25:02We will win.
25:04We will win.
25:06We will win.
25:08We will win.
25:10We will win.
25:12We will win.
25:14We will win.
25:16We will win.
25:18We will win.
25:20You are focusing more on KP.
25:22A lot of your leadership
25:24was not coming out of KP that
25:26you will be arrested.
25:28No, no, our focus
25:30is not just KP.
25:32I was talking about Punjab.
25:34Punjab is the biggest province.
25:36When will your leadership come out?
25:38When will they bring themselves
25:40in the midst of people?
25:42Who is the leadership?
25:44Who do you call the leadership?
25:46Hammad Azhar, Niaz Alam Iqbal.
25:48There are 2-3 people.
25:50There are 2-3 people.
25:52They are important people.
25:54No, no, it doesn't matter.
25:56I am sure they will come.
25:58But if they come...
26:00No, they will come.
26:02But if they are caught
26:04then it won't matter.
26:06This is the beauty
26:08of this Jamaat.
26:10There are 20 leaders in every ring.
26:12MNA, MPA, ticket holders,
26:14office bearers,
26:16they are all leaders.
26:18In fact, every child
26:20who voted on 8th February
26:22is a leader.
26:24Their enthusiasm
26:26is our leadership.
26:28That's why we cannot lose.
26:30Whatever happens that day
26:32will happen in the whole of Pakistan.
26:34And I think it will be
26:36an important event
26:38for our conscious training
26:40and to move forward
26:42in our political action.
26:44No, no, I am not saying
26:46that we will lose.
26:48I am saying that if you want
26:50to get people out,
26:52leadership plays a key role.
26:54Is there a reason
26:56why your party
26:58and the Punjab
27:00have a leadership?
27:02There are hundreds of people.
27:04There are hundreds of people.
27:06There are hundreds of people.
27:08There are hundreds of people
27:10who will come out.
27:12There are hundreds of people
27:14who will come out.
27:16There are hundreds of people
27:18who will come out.
27:20Can we talk to politicians,
27:22Mr. Salman?
27:24Yes, of course,
27:26if we talk about principles.
27:28If we talk about
27:30this and that,
27:32then it is already
27:34an election break.
27:36Today it is our turn,
27:38tomorrow it is your turn.
27:40This has happened before.
27:42Its purpose is to give
27:44acceptance to these things.
27:46We will not give
27:48acceptance to this action
27:50that took place on 8th February.
27:52We will move forward.
27:54If someone speaks on the level
27:56of principle and believes
27:58that an incident has occurred
28:00in this country,
28:02we will have to move forward
28:04and end this incident.
28:06If a new action is taken
28:08that is serious,
28:10we will not do it.
28:14No, no, we have not said
28:16that we will not do it.
28:18We are saying that there is
28:20a way, a democratic way.
28:22A person is sitting on a stone
28:24or a force is sitting
28:26and he has a sword in his hand.
28:28You say not to talk to him.
28:30Talk to the children
28:32who are sitting on the side
28:34and clapping.
28:36We will talk to them directly
28:38and we will talk to the
28:40children who are sitting
28:42on the side and clapping.
28:44Everything is possible.
28:46But the real matter is that
28:48we have to decide
28:50how to run this country.
28:52Is this the way to run
28:54this country?
28:56Will there be prosperity
28:58like this?
29:00Will our youth
29:02make a commitment
29:04that they will not
29:06be able to do it?
29:10I am saying again that
29:12you will be tested
29:14when you are given
29:16a deal.
29:18Have you taken permission
29:20from the administration
29:22to hold a meeting
29:24or a protest here?
29:26Look, we are not given permission.
29:28As far as March is concerned,
29:30we do not need permission
29:32to go out on the streets
29:34and protest.
29:36We will see where
29:38we will be stopped.
29:40If we are stopped,
29:42it can become a form
29:44but I will not go into
29:46much detail.
29:48You have not told anyone
29:50that you have to come
29:52to D-Chowk together.
29:54Will there be protests
29:56all over Pakistan
29:58or will everyone
30:00be stopped?
30:02I cannot tell you
30:04who will be stopped.
30:06Of course, some caravans
30:08will be stopped.
30:10They will have their own
30:12opinion.
30:14Last week,
30:16Rauf Hassan said
30:18that there is a scale
30:20of success
30:22if negotiations
30:24start formally.
30:26Do you think
30:28that will happen?
30:30Look, we are always ready
30:32to discuss
30:34how to bring
30:36this country
30:38back on the path
30:40of law and order.
30:42We are ready to talk
30:44to everyone
30:46except those
30:48who say
30:50that we have come
30:52to sit in the city
30:54for a few years.
30:56You have made elections
30:58meaningless.
31:00Because of that,
31:02people have changed.
31:04When did elections
31:06become meaningless in this country?
31:08Look,
31:10they should be.
31:12This is what I am saying.
31:14We should not
31:16allow this to happen.
31:18This is why
31:20I said that
31:22the opposition
31:24is not with you.
31:28Look, we are standing
31:30on principle.
31:32We said not to vote
31:34for the 26th amendment.
31:36This was our right and clear stance.
31:38If someone votes,
31:40what can you say that
31:42they are not with us?
31:44We tried as much as we could
31:46and we proved it right.
31:48A few days after this amendment,
31:50you saw the Supreme Court
31:52that the total number
31:54of judges was 17
31:56in 77 years.
31:58When Pakistan was formed,
32:00there were 5 judges.
32:02We reduced to 17
32:04when East Pakistan was separated.
32:06Anyway, it took us 77 years
32:08to reach the number of judges.
32:10You changed 17 to 34
32:12in one night.
32:14So that you can pack the court
32:16with 17 judges of your choice.
32:18You destroyed this
32:20The reason for this
32:22is the 26th amendment.
32:24You are saying that Maulana
32:26voted for the 26th amendment
32:28but Maulana also engaged with you
32:30and the government.
32:32You are saying that the boats
32:34have been burnt with Maulana
32:36and now you and Maulana cannot
32:38walk together.
32:40No, we did not say that.
32:42We still say that
32:44every party
32:46should work for the
32:48justice of the people.
32:50We are with him.
32:52We will work with him.
32:54Mehmood Khan Achakzai was
32:56also your nominee.
32:58We are still talking to him.
33:00We are also talking to other
33:02powers in Balochistan.
33:04Is he with you?
33:06Is Achakzai with you
33:08in this movement or not?
33:12I think he is.
33:14When I met him for the last time,
33:16he told me not to delay
33:18and to come out as soon as possible.
33:20Thank you very much.
33:22This message should reach
33:24every corner of the country.
33:26This VPN
33:28is also in Pakistan.
33:30These are our scholars.
33:32I am sure they are using VPN themselves.
33:34Let's take a break.
33:36We will be back after the break.
33:38Welcome back.
33:40Mr. Zubair is with us.
33:42Greetings.
33:44Mr. Zubair,
33:46I have already discussed
33:48the bankruptcy of
33:50Hassan Nawaz.
33:52Politically,
33:54how damaging
33:56will it be for
33:58Mr. Nawaz
34:00or Mr. Mariam Nawaz?
34:02It will be damaging.
34:04Financially,
34:06it will be damaging
34:08for the political family.
34:10Mr. Nawaz's son,
34:12Prime Minister's brother,
34:14and his nephew,
34:16Prime Minister's nephew.
34:18There will be
34:20political implications.
34:24Let me tell you
34:26that the process has just started.
34:28It has not ended yet.
34:30The declaration of bankruptcy
34:32is the start of the process.
34:34As you said,
34:36there is a political side to this.
34:38I was saying earlier
34:40that the address
34:42in the court order,
34:4417 or 18
34:46Avonfield.
34:48The political aspect of
34:50Avonfield
34:52is the same.
34:54Exactly.
34:56This is the point, Kashif.
34:58If
35:00this was solved with great difficulty,
35:02and
35:04let me tell you that
35:06it was Hassan Nawaz and
35:08I told him to register
35:10offshore.
35:12Mr. Nawaz's decision,
35:14based on my knowledge
35:16and inside information,
35:18he was taken by surprise
35:20as to what has been done.
35:22Mariam Nawaz has been made
35:24a beneficiary and
35:26a trust deed has been signed.
35:28Everyone knows
35:30how much Pakistan
35:32had to pay,
35:34a high price.
35:36God has given you
35:38such a great opportunity.
35:40You have left
35:42such a difficult time.
35:44Now again you have
35:46created a problem.
35:48How much did Nawaz Sharif
35:50knew about this bankruptcy?
35:52How much was Hassan Nawaz involved?
35:54Do you think Mr. Mian knows?
35:56You were in London.
35:58It is not possible that
36:00Mr. Mian does not know.
36:02This is yesterday's news.
36:04This is May's news.
36:06This is not new.
36:08Yes.
36:10How does the party
36:12reflect this?
36:14How does it stop them
36:16from making more blunders?
36:18For God's sake,
36:20what happened in Panama,
36:22Hussain Nawaz gave some interviews
36:24to pre-empt.
36:26If history has proven
36:28that none of them should be given
36:30interviews,
36:32this interview proved
36:34harmful for the family.
36:36Mrs. Maryam's statement
36:38that she has no property
36:40outside of Pakistan,
36:42Hussain Nawaz's statement
36:44that he lives on rent,
36:46Salman Shahbaz's statement
36:48that which heaven field apartment
36:50should he buy,
36:52Hussain Nawaz Sharif.
36:54Everyone's statement
36:56was a strange statement.
36:58Hussain Nawaz's interview
37:00was a strange statement.
37:02He did not know
37:04what he was speaking
37:06and getting everyone
37:08into trouble,
37:10not just himself,
37:12but the rest of the family
37:14and especially his father
37:16who was prime minister
37:18at that time.
37:20These are very sensitive
37:22things.
37:24How will they handle
37:26this?
37:28I think it can be used.
37:30Like I said,
37:32he came to save the country
37:34from Diwali.
37:36It's a joke.
37:38It's a joke.
37:40But at the same time,
37:42it doesn't give a good message
37:44that if you don't have
37:46your own ability
37:48to manage your business
37:50and you declare Diwali
37:52on your own,
37:54then what does it mean?
37:56We didn't even let him
37:58come close to politics.
38:00I always used to say
38:02that when people used to say
38:04that Marusi politics
38:06and Mariam Nawaz
38:08is a beneficiary
38:10of Marusi politics,
38:12I used to say that
38:14Mariam Nawaz proved it.
38:16She showed her political
38:18capacity in the most difficult
38:20time. Hussain Nawaz was
38:22Nawaz Sharif's son.
38:24It's not necessary
38:26that you are a beneficiary
38:28of something
38:30that you did.
38:32Your father
38:34has a position.
38:36You have to prove yourself.
38:38I don't think
38:40Hassan and Hussain
38:42had that capacity.
38:44But still,
38:46there are many problems
38:48that led to this.
38:50The more money you have,
38:52the more problems you face.
38:54Sir, what a beautiful thing
38:56you have said.
38:58The one who doesn't have money.
39:00Do you remember the first sentence
39:02of the judge?
39:04Behind every great fortune
39:06there is a crime.
39:08Obviously,
39:10you have plunged yourself
39:12into business.
39:14You have taken a lot of risks.
39:16Business is not without risk.
39:18Sometimes the risk
39:20is due to your own actions.
39:22But if you are from a political
39:24family,
39:26you should think about
39:28your father.
39:30You should,
39:32but I am sure
39:34your father must have thought about it.
39:36This is a family decision.
39:38Everyone must have known
39:40about the bankruptcy.
39:42No, everyone must have known.
39:44But the family was not
39:46involved in the business.
39:48He was in the property business
39:50in a very high level
39:52property.
39:54A very expensive property.
39:56Millions of pounds.
39:58We will try to contact
40:00Mr. Hassan Nawaz
40:02and ask him to come
40:04and tell us how much money
40:06he has.
40:08But you are saying
40:10it is a property worth
40:12millions of pounds.
40:14Obviously,
40:16we declare bankruptcy.
40:18We are not rich,
40:20but we are good people.
40:22Thank you very much.
40:24Thank you very much.