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"Poora nizam control mein kar liya jayega..??" | Kashif Abbasi analysis
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Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guests:
- Salman Akram Raja PTI
- Bilal Azhar Kayani PMLN
- Zain Qureshi PTI
- Fawad Chaudhry (Senior Leader)
"Poora nizam control mein kar liya jayega..??" | Kashif Abbasi analysis
"Kal Islamabad mein maar kutai hone wali hai?" - Salman Akram Raja answers
"Hukumat lawyer aur Judges say Takar Lene Jarahi aur wo inko Qabu..." Fawad Chaudhry's Analysis
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, viewers. You are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:12Two very important issues on which we will talk today.
00:14The decision of 63A, the unanimous decision, the decision of 5-0.
00:18When this decision came first, many people, including me, thought that it was a wrong decision.
00:25We all agree that the factories of flour crossing and making lottos should be shut down.
00:31Whenever someone wants to take people with him and make lottos, this is a characteristic of Pakistan's politics.
00:38It should not be encouraged, but should be discouraged.
00:41But if you read what was written in the constitution, then the vote count is there.
00:45After that, the punishment should be decided.
00:47Anyway, many people thought that this decision was wrong.
00:50And many people, including me, thought that the decision was wrong.
00:54But now, in the environment in which it has been corrected, there are two questions to be asked.
00:59One, is the decision correct? That is a separate argument.
01:04The second is that how it has been done, is it correct?
01:08Is this political, the way it has been done?
01:11The review of 63A was tried, but because there was no majority in the committee,
01:17the committee that was made to make the Supreme Court a democracy in practice and procedure,
01:21so through an ordinance, the composition of the committee was changed.
01:25And the Chief Justice of Pakistan was given the authority to add another judge of his choice to that committee,
01:31which he did.
01:32And at the same time, the decision or review of 63A was put in front of him.
01:37The second problem with this is that there are such judges sitting in it,
01:41about whom it is being speculated, it is being said, it is being said very openly,
01:46that whenever the Supreme Court will be formed, in which these votes will be used after today's decision,
01:51some of these people can be a part of it.
01:54If this is the case, then why should they sit on this bench, in their own cause?
02:01And what will happen now?
02:02Now what will happen is that a constitutional amendment, in which the numbers are short, is coming,
02:08and that constitutional amendment will be passed by making votes.
02:13From such an assembly, on which there are similar questions,
02:17it is called the Assembly of Form 47, Moulana Fazl-ur-Rehman Sahib has said it today and earlier too,
02:22he says that it is a fake assembly, a fake mandate assembly, it has no right to amend the constitution.
02:28But in that argument, you can also add that the party affiliations of the people will be terminated,
02:37they will be used for the government's vote, so that the whole system is in control.
02:43This is the second angle of looking at it.
02:46This is a very compelling angle.
02:48When you look at it, you feel that the way it is being done, the way it is being done, it is wrong.
02:55It should not be like this.
02:56If it was done in an organic way, the way the reviews are usually done,
03:00and if their decisions are made, then there would be very little objection to this decision.
03:05On this decision, it is said that the Supreme Court should somehow stop the floor-crossing of the Parliament.
03:12But the way this is happening, it is wrong.
03:14And yesterday, the protest of Tariq-e-Insaf is coming, or they called for a protest in D-Chowk.
03:20I just want to tell you that two press conferences have been held today.
03:23Faisal Wahab did it, Mohsin Naqvi did it.
03:25Listen to what he said.
03:27Preparing to drop a pile of dead bodies has been done in the planning PTA.
03:30Do not expect any kind of softness.
03:33There are very big implications of this work.
03:35If someone comes and raises his hand, then no one should tell us that we have to be soft with them.
03:40If you want to do this politics, then the preparations for political conquest and burial are in front of you.
03:44The police are fully prepared.
03:46Then no one should complain.
03:47The rate of the state has been challenged.
03:49And they want to do it.
03:50Then the chapter is closed.
03:51There is strictness after strictness.
03:52In that, if someone feels good or bad.
03:54You have planned inside that people are going to die, they are going to kill.
03:56Then don't complain to us later.
03:58We will go to every extent to stop them.
04:01Salman Akhund.
04:02Raja sahab, I am with you.
04:03Bilal sahab, I am coming.
04:04I want to ask Salman Raja sahab.
04:05He is the Secretary General.
04:06Bilal Kiani sahab.
04:07He is the MNA of Muslim League Moon.
04:09Raja sahab.
04:10You are clearing the way for the amendment.
04:13What do you think?
04:14Do you think that the way it has been done, is that right?
04:19Look, I could not hear your voice.
04:22The decision that has come in terms of context is in front of you.
04:26We think that despite the reservations, this bench was made, this hearing took place.
04:32All that is a question mark.
04:36At this time, the purpose of this decision seems to be that the amendment that is being made.
04:43It should be made easy.
04:45The market of people's conscience should be helped to warm up.
04:50This is regrettable.
04:52In any aspect.
04:53Sir, you think that Salman sahab will start a market.
04:55People will sell their conscience.
04:57By the way, conscience is a very interesting thing.
04:59We call it conscience.
05:01Look, we are very hopeful that it will not happen at this time.
05:05Our members will support their conscience.
05:09But anyway, this is the relationship.
05:12No matter how much you regret this attempt, it is less.
05:15The attempt is to amend the constitution.
05:17And amendment is a black amendment.
05:19You know how the intention is to violate fundamental rights.
05:23The intention is to destroy the High Courts.
05:26Pick up a judge and throw him from one High Court to another.
05:30There can be no decision on national security.
05:34No order can be given.
05:36All these matters are such that they are pushing us towards a future date.
05:41Absolutely, sir.
05:42But the problem in this is how many people will be robbed.
05:45You are also the Secretary General.
05:47Obviously, I know that you are doing calculations.
05:50How many people are not in contact with you?
05:52How many people are taking such names?
05:54By the way, tell me the estimate.
05:55Don't tell me the name.
05:56There are four, six, eight.
05:57How many have gone?
05:58About whom do you think these notes have been made?
06:00No, we don't think that there is any rota at the moment.
06:04And we are very hopeful that this situation will continue in the future.
06:08And not only this, we also understand in People's Party, PMLN.
06:12We hope that those people who will support their conscience,
06:16will not support the black amendment.
06:18Tariq-e-Insaaf wants to drop dead bodies, sir.
06:21This is being said about the protest that you are bringing tomorrow.
06:24You must have heard from the press conference.
06:26No, sir.
06:27No leverages.
06:29What are you looking at?
06:30Yesterday, Changi Pally was beaten up in Islamabad.
06:33No, this should not happen.
06:35Look, this is a right for protest.
06:38To come out, to walk on the road, to walk on the footpath, to raise your voice.
06:43This happens all over the world.
06:45In London, there was a million march for Iraq.
06:48We applaud.
06:49In our own country, we say that we will not let this happen.
06:52Sir, but the city has been closed with a container.
06:55You know this.
06:56Your people are underground and you have to be beaten up a lot.
07:00Look, it is the fault of those people who want to do it.
07:03Those who want to intensify it.
07:05Those who want to heat the market of barbarism.
07:09We just want to do a peaceful protest.
07:13Which is your right, sir.
07:15Which is your fundamental right as a political party.
07:18But tell me, is there any discussion in the court?
07:21The news was going on.
07:22Is there any discussion?
07:23Tomorrow's protest, Mr. Imran Khan canceled.
07:25Do you have a problem with this?
07:27I saw it on social media.
07:28Look, there is nothing like that in my heart.
07:31And I think that it is our right to start a peaceful protest.
07:36They will not do it now.
07:38If the people of Pakistan do not protest, when will they do it?
07:41We are conducting a very scary, secret protest.
07:45And to say that we will beat you, we will pull your tongue.
07:50If you protest, then there can be no more stupid reaction in the state.
07:56Sir, Ali Zafar calls the bench illegal and becomes its advisor.
08:00How does that happen?
08:03Sorry, repeat, what was your voice?
08:05Ali Zafar called the bench illegal.
08:09But he also became its advisor.
08:13Look, this was their personal decision.
08:15I can't say anything in this regard.
08:17They stated the position of the party.
08:20Sir, last question, Mr. Salman.
08:22You are protesting in Islamabad for three years.
08:24Have you seen that a new law has been made?
08:26I do not agree with that law.
08:28I think that democratic politicians have cut their legs and arms.
08:32But you will be imprisoned for three years if you protest in Islamabad without permission.
08:36We will talk about it in the legal framework of the law.
08:42But sir, you have not taken permission to protest.
08:44Tomorrow you will be sued and you will be imprisoned for three years.
08:49Look, I can hear your voice, but I don't think there will be anything that goes against the law.
08:55We do not have such an intention.
08:57And if a black law is made, the law is violated, the law is violated,
09:03then we will put that matter in front of the court.
09:06Whatever the court will do, we will see.
09:08The court will tell us whether it stands for the upholding of the law or facilitates it.
09:13Absolutely right.
09:14Thank you very much, Mr. Salman.
09:15Mr. Akram Raja, Secretary General of Pakistan, was present with us.
09:17Mr. Bilal, we are also taking Mr. Zain Qureshi on the line.
09:20But tell me this.
09:23I have heard you say that the parliament is supreme.
09:25It has the power to make laws, to make laws.
09:28Tell me this, sir, how much power, how supreme is it?
09:30Can the parliament make this law, that in the next 15 years, this parliament will run and make the government?
09:36In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
09:38Firstly, thank you for having me on the show.
09:40Look, the answer to this question is 63. Take it in context.
09:42Look, 63, and you rightly said in the intro, and you, and I commend this, many journalists, anchors,
09:49that you doubt that yourself have said that this was a wrong decision.
09:54And, you know, the rest of your arguments are fine.
09:58But this was a wrong decision that I feel has been corrected.
10:00Now, there are two aspects to this.
10:02One is, what does the Shik of the Ayin say?
10:05And what is the violation and penalty defined in it?
10:08The second is, what do you think should be done?
10:10There can be a debate on that.
10:12Mr. Raja can have an opinion on that.
10:14Mr. Zain can have an opinion on that.
10:15And, but, that has to eventually be changed by the parliament.
10:19Sir, the opinion is in its place.
10:20Yes.
10:21But today's...
10:22Sir, this is a classic case, rewriting of the constitution, which has been corrected.
10:36But the background, let's come to the background.
10:39I said this in an organic way.
10:41If it had been done in a natural way, then we would all have said, yes, this is how it is.
10:45You, because this case was not being brought to the bench,
10:49it was still written in the practice and procedure.
10:51Mr. Qazi was given an extra vote.
10:53He made this bench.
10:54It was recused from the bench.
10:57It was not recused.
10:58It was not recused, but it was not denied by the bench.
11:01Sir, I have neither to sit nor to go.
11:03It was denied by the committee that this is illegal.
11:06But the way it was all done,
11:08it was visible that this case had to be filed,
11:10its decision had to be made soon.
11:12Because they have to make a way through which Lotte can be made and Ayin can be made.
11:15Sir, I think it is sad that so much delay has been made in this correction.
11:19It is so sad that if Lotte can be made through this and Ayin can be made.
11:23No, no, listen to my request.
11:25It is clearly written in the Ayin that a person can cast a vote.
11:29The repercussions of the vote is that he can be de-seated.
11:31A member has so much power that he thinks this decision is appropriate.
11:35For example, a constitutional amendment comes,
11:38and he thinks that I have to cast a vote for it and he is ready to be de-seated.
11:42See, being de-seated for a member is not a small thing.
11:44So you say that he is selling it.
11:47Sir, you can de-seat him for 15 years. I will see who will do it.
11:50No, no, see, it is not like that.
11:52You are de-seating him so that he can go and fight the elections.
11:54Sir, the thing is that Article 63 says this.
11:59And the Supreme Court has no right.
12:01Let's talk about morality.
12:03I say this again and again, sir.
12:05There is no written constitution in the UK.
12:08There is no written Ayin, sir.
12:10The whole world knows this, I am sure.
12:12The UK has not written the Ayin.
12:14They say that our moral system is so strong.
12:16They don't allow us to move.
12:18Our problem is this.
12:20Sir, I have a question on morality.
12:22We say that even if Lotte is helping us in Dotei,
12:25then we will get paid.
12:26Sir, I have a question on morality.
12:28Does morality allow that in May 2022,
12:32a Chief Minister's election should be overthrown by rewriting the Ayin?
12:38This is what the judgment has done, which everyone agrees with.
12:41No, sir, it was wrong.
12:42It was legally wrong and it was legally wrong to de-seat him.
12:45It was legally wrong to de-seat Hamza Shahbaz as Chief Minister.
12:47It was wrong, wasn't it?
12:48You are saying that it was wrong.
12:51No, no, sir.
12:52It was absolutely right today.
12:53If there is a wrong way to correct a mistake, then it will still be wrong.
12:57This review petition was issued two years ago.
12:59If Lotte puts a vote in the Ayin, will that be right?
13:03Will it be right?
13:04No, no, sir.
13:05When a judge gives a decision, a dissenting or a majority order,
13:08then he gives it of his own free will.
13:10But when a parliament member puts a vote,
13:12then he is selling his conscience.
13:14He already knows that his conscience is being sold.
13:16This is a strange conscience.
13:18Everyone in the market knows that his conscience is being sold.
13:21And this is a strange conscience that will only be sold by the opposition.
13:23No one's conscience will be sold by the government.
13:25There are 224 people, but in 224, no one's conscience will be sold by the government.
13:28Sir, you claim that the numbers are not complete.
13:30We will do it this way.
13:32Sir, we will convince people in any way.
13:33We won't.
13:34You will force people.
13:35You will give money to someone, sir.
13:37If you don't like the Ayin, it doesn't mean that…
13:40That is the point.
13:42Because you are casting an aspersion on the intention of every member of parliament.
13:45Am I wrong?
13:46You are wrong.
13:47Any member who will pass a vote will either cast in line with their party…
13:51Sir, should I play a video of Baloch, Saadullah Baloch, whoever he is?
13:54Who all have been taken away from my house so that I can vote for you?
13:57Sir, Saadullah Baloch's case is his opinion.
13:59It is not his opinion.
14:00It is his motto.
14:01He is giving an example that my people have been taken away.
14:03Sir, I am telling you this.
14:04Today's judgment has been corrected.
14:06You are also accepting this.
14:08It would have been better if it had been done in a good environment.
14:10If it had not been done in this environment, in this background,
14:12where it is visible that this environment is being created for this decision.
14:17Sir, this should have been done two years ago.
14:20It should have been done.
14:21No one would have had any objection.
14:22But the way it is happening…
14:24The judges who are being discussed…
14:26Sir, let me tell you.
14:28Let me tell you.
14:29There were five judges who wrote the judgment.
14:31Usually, the same judges sit in the review petition.
14:33Two of them have retired.
14:35One judge said, I neither refuse nor sit.
14:37The author is the judge.
14:38The other two judges are sitting who were part of the original bench.
14:40And the remaining three new judges have come.
14:42So, see, all the requirements of the bench formation have been fulfilled.
14:45Now, if the practice and procedure ordinance has come…
14:48Why has it come?
14:49See, we have discussed this in your shows as well.
14:53Why has it come?
14:54To provide more flexibility.
14:55But why do you want flexibility?
14:57This is democracy, sir.
14:58You don't want flexibility.
15:00See, this is the problem.
15:01If there are three judges,
15:03whoever the top three judges are,
15:05whether you like them or not,
15:06sometimes they will be on your side,
15:07sometimes they will be on their side.
15:08When you have decided that there are three judges,
15:10then it should not be that one is me,
15:12and the other is of my choice.
15:14So, you gave me two votes.
15:16I don't have a single vote.
15:17Sir, I am also happy about the fact that
15:19those who are defending the practice and procedure act,
15:21who defended it two years ago,
15:22should also be given the independence of judiciary.
15:24I am also in favour of that.
15:25Yes.
15:26Everything should be democratic.
15:27I am not talking about you.
15:28But I am talking about the overall.
15:29Why should a judge be given the authority to make arbitrary decisions?
15:31But why should a judge be given the authority
15:33to make arbitrary decisions
15:36You are right.
15:37If we had given the same role back to Fard-e-Wahid,
15:40the same role back that we used to bring.
15:42Instead of holding ears from here,
15:43you are making us hold ears from all sides.
15:44The second thing is that
15:45the reason for not putting Justice Muneeb Akhtar on that committee
15:48was stated by Qazi Faizal Sahib himself.
15:50After that, he went to the next senior most judge.
15:52And he has put this on record
15:53that Yaja Freedi Sahib recused himself,
15:54and he went to the next one.
15:56Now, in terms of judges not accepting it,
15:59see, the practice and procedure ordinance
16:02is the law of the land today.
16:03And judges, no sir.
16:04The law is made on the basis of bad intentions.
16:06Sir, listen to me.
16:07No, no.
16:08But I am saying that Supreme Court judges
16:09don't get to choose which laws they like
16:10and which ones they don't.
16:11And this is a bad practice.
16:12See, this is why I started the argument from here.
16:16Parliament is not completely supreme.
16:18Our system,
16:19because I have heard you say this in a program,
16:22it has a trichotomy of power.
16:24This power is in the middle of three.
16:27It has checks.
16:28You also have a check.
16:29You cannot go beyond a limit.
16:31The Supreme Court cannot go beyond a limit.
16:33The executive cannot go beyond a limit.
16:34This is a coincidence.
16:35This is why this balance has been created.
16:37I totally agree.
16:38Mr. Zain, sorry,
16:39your connection got delayed.
16:40How many people are going?
16:41Do you think that you have been
16:43made a fool of in your education?
16:47In the name of God,
16:48Mr. Kashyap,
16:49because we joined late,
16:50we will give you two minutes.
16:51And we will continue from where you started.
16:55Mr. Bilal Kiani himself is a very decent
16:57and a very pragmatic man.
16:59Only a few good people have come.
17:01Thank God,
17:02in this assembly,
17:03in his party.
17:04I have a problem with this.
17:06I know that in his heart,
17:08Bilal agrees with you,
17:10but he is helpless.
17:11I know, I know, I know.
17:12In many cases,
17:13first your party did it,
17:14now his party is doing it.
17:15We understand everything.
17:16This is how it is.
17:17This is how it is.
17:18This is why I did not want to push Bilal too much.
17:20But the reality is that
17:22the way everything was done,
17:24there is no room for time.
17:25You said it.
17:26But from the onset,
17:28there is a presidential ordinance,
17:30the bill is changed night after night,
17:32the senior cuny judge recuses himself from it,
17:35then you do not put the author judge in it.
17:37Sir, it was put in,
17:38he himself recused himself.
17:39Let us be fair.
17:40He himself said,
17:41because the objection is on the committee.
17:43But he was put in.
17:45So sir,
17:46again,
17:47but where Bilal Kiani
17:48is claiming on the moral authorities,
17:50and he himself is saying that
17:51senior judges should keep recusing,
17:53should not keep sitting,
17:54so that begs the question,
17:55that why are the judges recusing
17:57from sitting on it?
17:58Because clearly,
17:59the work that is being done is not right.
18:01Clearly,
18:02the means that you are using
18:04to justify your end,
18:05that is not right.
18:06And that is what we are concerned about today.
18:08We are saying the same thing,
18:09that I am surprised
18:11when people like Bilal Kiani
18:13or people like Bilal Bhutto Zardari
18:15give justification for revoking section 63A.
18:19Because there is only one purpose
18:20of revoking section 63A,
18:22there is no other.
18:23That,
18:25I remember,
18:26in 2008,
18:27let me remind some people,
18:28before the assembly in 2018,
18:30there was a South Punjab Mahas
18:32You must remember,
18:33Mr. Qureshi,
18:34they were the people of your party
18:35who had a conscience.
18:37And they all went to Mr. Tariq Khan
18:38by forming a group.
18:40Then,
18:41there was a lottery factory
18:43in Sindh House.
18:45They were the people of their party.
18:46The situation had changed.
18:47They were the people of their party.
18:48Even now,
18:49only one party has a conscience.
18:50But,
18:51Mr. Qureshi,
18:53tell me,
18:54how many people do you think
18:55are dodgy?
18:57About whom,
18:58no one knows.
18:59Sir,
19:00the second thing is,
19:01let me tell you,
19:02for Bilal's sake,
19:03in this country,
19:04no one leaves a job
19:05with a rank of 4th.
19:06If they say that
19:07a member's conscience has awakened
19:08and he is ready
19:09to sacrifice his seat,
19:10he will be ready
19:11for the same thing
19:12as you gave
19:13the right sign
19:14to guarantee
19:15that the seat will be returned.
19:16But,
19:17both of you were not like that
19:18in the assembly.
19:19I want to tell you an incident.
19:20I told you yesterday.
19:21In the assembly of 2002,
19:22the patriots were formed.
19:23And,
19:24our defence minister was there.
19:25Out of the patriots,
19:26I don't remember his name.
19:27Sikandar,
19:28in my memory.
19:29Rao Sikandar Iqbal.
19:30Rao Sikandar Iqbal Sir.
19:31He was the parliamentary leader.
19:32He gave a speech.
19:33He said,
19:34this is the voice
19:35of our conscience.
19:36So,
19:37Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman Sir,
19:38who was the
19:39candidate of the Prime Minister,
19:40stood up and said,
19:41this is not the voice
19:42of his conscience,
19:43this is the voice
19:44of the general conscience.
19:45At that time,
19:46the general conscience,
19:47deputy DG,
19:48used to be like this.
19:49Everyone knows that
19:50at that time,
19:51the praises of
19:52Hubul Vatni had changed.
19:53Patriots.
19:54You will defect.
19:55You will leave the party.
19:56You will go somewhere else.
19:57But,
19:58Mr. Zain,
19:59what do you think
20:00happened yesterday?
20:01The two press conferences
20:02that Mr. Faisal Wada did,
20:03and Mr. Naqvi did.
20:04Mr. Kashyap,
20:05you said that
20:06you don't remember.
20:07I remember that very well
20:08because at that time,
20:09my father was the first one
20:10who was asked to lead
20:11the patriots.
20:12And,
20:13the government
20:14had offered
20:15that.
20:16Mr. Benazir Bhutto
20:17was the candidate
20:18of the Prime Minister
20:20because
20:21he had adopted
20:22the basic stance.
20:23As far as
20:24tomorrow is concerned,
20:25tomorrow,
20:26Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
20:27is exercising
20:28its legal and
20:29legal rights.
20:30But,
20:31what message
20:32are you taking
20:33with you
20:34from the press conferences?
20:35Give me that.
20:36A strict government
20:37that is saying,
20:38if I have told you
20:39in the beginning,
20:40enough is enough.
20:41There won't be
20:42leniency.
20:43You won't leave.
20:44Corpses are coming
20:45to be laid.
20:46Etc.
20:47Who did
20:48this?
20:49Faisal Wada
20:50and Mohsin Naqviz.
20:51It means that
20:52the state
20:53is sending you
20:54this message
20:55that it is
20:56because of humans.
20:57Sir,
20:58look,
20:59now this
21:00has become
21:01clear.
21:02It became
21:03clear in Burhan
21:04as well as
21:05in their press
21:06conferences
21:07that
21:08oppression,
21:09corruption,
21:10hooliganism,
21:11state machinery
21:12is being used
21:13by the government
21:14today.
21:15Today,
21:16Punjab police
21:17is being
21:18shot at.
21:19This is their
21:20stance.
21:21They can do this.
21:22Our stance
21:23today is that
21:24we are going to
21:25exercise our
21:26right.
21:27Of course,
21:28it is your right,
21:29but no one
21:30believes in your
21:31right at this
21:32moment.
21:33It is strange
21:34that what is
21:35the decision
21:36and what are
21:37the rights.
21:38People are
21:39suddenly
21:40making their
21:41decisions.
21:42Mr.
21:43Bilal,
21:44let me ask
21:45Bilal.
21:46Why don't
21:47you give them
21:48political space?
21:49No political
21:50space.
21:51Do whatever you
21:52want to do.
21:53I was
21:54saying this
21:55to someone
21:56today,
21:57to your
21:58party.
21:59I was
22:00saying this
22:01in the
22:02background.
22:03This
22:04by-election
22:05does not
22:06win one
22:07election.
22:08You people
22:09were doing
22:10big demonstrations.
22:11Do you remember?
22:12What difference
22:13does it make?
22:14No,
22:15no.
22:16You let
22:17them do it.
22:18You saw
22:19the flop
22:20in Lahore.
22:21Better for
22:22you?
22:23Sir,
22:24allow me.
22:25Ali Ameen
22:26Gandapur,
22:27I have
22:28this discussion
22:29with Zain
22:30on the
22:31show.
22:32If they
22:33use state
22:34machinery to
22:35misbehave
22:36with the
22:37police,
22:38to break
22:39windows,
22:40to create
22:41chaos,
22:42to threaten
22:43people,
22:44if
22:45they
22:46use
22:47state
22:48machinery
22:49to
22:50misbehave
22:51with
22:52the
22:53police,
22:54to
22:55create
22:56chaos,
22:57to
22:58threaten
22:59people,
23:00if
23:01they
23:02use
23:03state
23:04machinery
23:05to
23:06misbehave
23:07with the
23:08police,
23:09to
23:10create
23:11chaos,
23:12to
23:13threaten
23:14people,
23:15if
23:16they
23:17use
23:18state
23:19machinery
23:20to
23:21misbehave
23:22with
23:23the
23:24police,
23:25to
23:26threaten
23:27people,
23:28to
23:29create
23:30chaos,
23:31to
23:32threaten
23:33people,
23:34if
23:35they
23:36use
23:37state
23:38machinery
23:39to
23:40misbehave
23:41with
23:42the
23:43police,
23:44to
23:45threaten
23:46people,
23:47if
23:48they
23:49use
23:50state
23:51machinery
23:52to
23:53threaten
23:54people,
23:55if
23:56they
23:57use
23:58state
23:59machinery
24:00to
24:01threaten
24:02people,
24:03if
24:04they
24:05use
24:06state
24:07machinery
24:08to
24:09threaten
24:10people,
24:11if
24:12they
24:13use
24:14state
24:15machinery
24:16to
24:17threaten
24:18people,
24:19if
24:20they
24:21use
24:22state
24:23machinery
24:24to
24:25threaten
24:26people,
24:27if
24:28they
24:29use
24:30state
24:31machinery
24:32to
24:33threaten
24:34people,
24:35if
24:36they
24:37use
24:38state
24:39machinery
24:40to
24:41threaten
24:42people,
24:43if
24:44they
24:45use
24:46state
24:47machinery
24:48to
24:49threaten
24:50people,
24:51if
24:52they
24:53use
24:54state
24:55machinery
24:56to
24:57threaten
24:58people,
24:59if
25:00they
25:01use
25:02state
25:03machinery
25:04to
25:05threaten
25:06people,
25:07if
25:08they
25:09use
25:10state
25:11machinery
25:12to
25:13threaten
25:14people,
25:15if
25:16they
25:17use
25:18state
25:19machinery
25:20to
25:21threaten
25:22people,
25:23if
25:24they
25:25use
25:26state
25:27machinery
25:28to
25:29threaten
25:30people,
25:31if
25:32they
25:33use
25:34state
25:35machinery
25:36to
25:37threaten
25:38people,
25:39if
25:40they
25:41use
25:42state
25:43machinery
25:44to
25:45threaten
25:46people,
25:47if
25:48they
25:49use
25:50state
25:51machinery
25:52to
25:53threaten
25:54people,
25:55if
25:56they
25:57use
25:58state
25:59machinery
26:00to
26:01threaten
26:02people,
26:03if
26:04they
26:05use
26:06state
26:07machinery
26:08to
26:09threaten
26:10people,
26:11if
26:12they
26:13use
26:14state
26:15machinery
26:16to
26:17threaten
26:18people,
26:19if
26:20they
26:21use
26:22state
26:23machinery
26:24to
26:25threaten
26:26people,
26:27if
26:28they
26:29use
26:30state
26:31machinery
26:32to
26:33threaten
26:34people,
26:35if
26:36they
26:37use
26:38state
26:39machinery
26:40to
26:41threaten
26:42people,
26:43if
26:44they
26:45use
26:46state
26:47machinery
26:48to
26:49threaten
26:50people,
26:51if
26:52they
26:53use
26:54state
26:55machinery
26:56to
26:57threaten
26:58people,
26:59if
27:00they
27:01use
27:02state
27:03machinery
27:04to
27:05threaten
27:06people,
27:07if
27:08they
27:09use
27:10state
27:11machinery
27:12to
27:13threaten
27:14people,
27:15if
27:16they
27:17use
27:18state
27:19machinery
27:20to
27:21threaten
27:22people,
27:23if
27:24they
27:25use
27:26state
27:27machinery
27:28to
27:29threaten
27:30people,
27:31if
27:32they
27:33use
27:34state
27:35machinery
27:36to
27:37threaten
27:38people,
27:39if
27:40they
27:41use
27:42state
27:43machinery
27:44to
27:45threaten
27:46people,
27:47if
27:48they
27:49use
27:50state
27:51machinery
27:52to
27:53threaten
27:54people,
27:55if
27:56they
27:57use
27:58state
27:59machinery
28:00to
28:01threaten
28:02people,
28:03if
28:04they
28:05use
28:06state
28:07machinery
28:08to
28:09threaten
28:10people,
28:11if
28:12they
28:13use
28:14state
28:15machinery
28:16to
28:17threaten
28:18people,
28:19if
28:20they
28:21use
28:22state
28:23machinery
28:24to
28:25threaten
28:26people,
28:27if
28:28they
28:29use
28:30state
28:31machinery
28:32to
28:33threaten
28:34people,
28:35if
28:36they
28:37use
28:38state
28:39machinery
28:40to
28:41threaten
28:42people,
28:43if
28:44they
28:45use
28:46state
28:47machinery
28:48to
28:49threaten
28:50people,
28:51if
28:52they
28:53use
28:54state
28:55machinery
28:56to
28:57threaten
28:58people,
28:59if
29:00they
29:01use
29:02state
29:03machinery
29:04to
29:05threaten
29:06people,
29:07if
29:08they
29:09use
29:10state
29:11machinery
29:12to
29:13threaten
29:14people,
29:15if
29:16they
29:17use
29:18state
29:19machinery
29:20to
29:21threaten
29:22people,
29:23if
29:24they
29:25use
29:26state
29:27machinery
29:28to
29:29threaten
29:30people,
29:31if
29:32they
29:33use
29:34state
29:35machinery
29:36to
29:37threaten
29:38people,
29:39if
29:40they
29:41use
29:42state
29:43machinery
29:44to
29:45threaten
29:46people,
29:47if
29:48they
29:49use
29:50state
29:51machinery
29:52to
29:53threaten
29:54people,
29:55if
29:56they
29:57use
29:58state
29:59machinery
30:00to
30:01threaten
30:02people,
30:03if
30:04they
30:05use
30:06state
30:07machinery
30:08to
30:09threaten
30:10people,
30:11if
30:12they
30:13use
30:14state
30:15machinery
30:16to
30:17threaten
30:18people,
30:19if
30:20they
30:21use
30:22state
30:23machinery
30:24to
30:25threaten
30:26people,
30:27if
30:28they
30:29use
30:30state
30:31machinery
30:32to
30:33threaten
30:34people,
30:35if
30:36they
30:37use
30:38state
30:39machinery
30:40to
30:41threaten
30:42people,
30:43if
30:44they
30:45use
30:46state
30:47machinery
30:48to
30:49threaten
30:50people,
30:51if
30:52they
30:53use
30:54state
30:55machinery
30:56to
30:57threaten
30:58people,
30:59if
31:00they
31:01use
31:02state
31:03machinery
31:04to
31:05threaten
31:06people,
31:07if
31:08they
31:09use
31:10state
31:11machinery
31:12to
31:13threaten
31:14people,
31:15if
31:16they
31:17use
31:18state
31:19machinery
31:20to
31:21threaten
31:22people,
31:23if
31:24they
31:25use
31:26state
31:27machinery
31:28to
31:29threaten
31:30people,
31:31if
31:32they
31:33use
31:34state
31:35machinery
31:36to
31:37threaten
31:38people,
31:39if
31:40they
31:41use
31:42state
31:43machinery
31:44to
31:45threaten
31:46people,
31:47if
31:48they
31:49use
31:50state
31:51machinery
31:52to
31:53threaten
31:54people,
31:55if
31:56they
31:57use
31:58state
31:59machinery
32:00to
32:01threaten
32:02people,
32:03if
32:04they
32:05use
32:06state
32:07machinery
32:08to
32:09threaten
32:10people,
32:11if
32:12they
32:13use
32:14state
32:15machinery
32:16to
32:17threaten
32:18people,
32:19if
32:20they
32:21use
32:22state
32:23machinery
32:24to
32:25threaten
32:26people,
32:27if
32:28they
32:29use
32:30state
32:31machinery
32:32to
32:33threaten
32:34people,
32:35if
32:36they
32:37use
32:38state
32:39machinery
32:40to
32:41threaten
32:42people,
32:43if
32:44they
32:45use
32:46state
32:47machinery
32:48to
32:49threaten
32:50people,
32:51if
32:52they
32:53use
32:54state
32:55machinery
32:56to
32:57threaten
32:58people,
32:59if
33:00they
33:01use
33:02state
33:03machinery
33:04to
33:05threaten
33:06people,
33:07if
33:08they
33:09use
33:10state
33:11machinery
33:12to
33:13threaten
33:14people,
33:15if
33:16they
33:17use
33:18state
33:19machinery
33:20to
33:21threaten
33:22people,
33:23if
33:24they
33:25use
33:26state
33:27machinery
33:28to
33:29threaten
33:30people,
33:31if
33:32they
33:33use
33:34state
33:35machinery
33:36to
33:37threaten
33:38people,
33:39if
33:40they
33:41use
33:42state
33:43machinery
33:44to
33:45threaten
33:46people,
33:47if
33:48they
33:49use
33:50state
33:51machinery
33:52to
33:53threaten
33:54people,
33:55if
33:56they
33:57use
33:58state
33:59machinery
34:00to
34:01threaten
34:02people,
34:03if
34:04they
34:05use
34:06state
34:07machinery
34:08to
34:09threaten
34:10people,
34:11if
34:12they
34:13use
34:14state
34:15machinery
34:16to
34:17threaten
34:18people,
34:19if
34:20they
34:21use
34:22state
34:23machinery
34:24to
34:25threaten
34:26people,
34:27if
34:28they
34:29use
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34:31machinery
34:32to
34:33threaten
34:34people,
34:35if
34:36they
34:37use
34:38state
34:39machinery
34:40to
34:41threaten
34:42people,
34:43if
34:44they
34:45use
34:46state
34:47machinery
34:48to
34:49threaten
34:50people,
34:51if
34:52they
34:53use
34:54state
34:55machinery
34:56to
34:57threaten
34:58people,
34:59if
35:00they
35:01use
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35:03machinery
35:04to
35:05threaten
35:06people,
35:07if
35:08they
35:09use
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35:11machinery
35:12to
35:13threaten
35:14people,
35:15if
35:16they
35:17use
35:18state
35:19machinery
35:20to
35:21threaten
35:22people,
35:23if
35:24they
35:25use
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35:27machinery
35:28to
35:29threaten
35:30people,
35:31if
35:32they
35:33use
35:34state
35:35machinery
35:36to
35:37threaten
35:38people,
35:39if
35:40they
35:41use
35:42state
35:43machinery
35:44to
35:45threaten
35:46people,
35:47if
35:48they
35:49use
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35:51machinery
35:52to
35:53threaten
35:54people,
35:55if
35:56they
35:57use
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35:59machinery
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36:02people,
36:03if
36:04they
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36:09threaten
36:10people,
36:11if
36:12they
36:13use
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36:15machinery
36:16to
36:17threaten
36:18people,
36:46if
36:47they
36:48use
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36:50machinery
36:51to
36:52threaten
36:53people,
36:54if
36:55they
36:56use
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36:59to
37:00threaten
37:01people,
37:02if
37:03they
37:04use
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37:06machinery
37:07to
37:08threaten
37:09people,
37:10if
37:11they
37:12use
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37:14machinery