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00:00Today's guest is Takashi Matsumoto.
00:03Welcome.
00:05Hello.
00:06It's been a while.
00:07It's been a while?
00:08If you think about it, it's been about 30 years.
00:10It's been about 30 years.
00:12I think it's been about 30 or 40 years.
00:14On the radio?
00:15He appeared on the radio.
00:17He was a personality, and I was a guest.
00:20It's been a while, but I've met Hosono-san.
00:25I was really close with Keiichi Ohtaki.
00:28Really? That's great.
00:30After Ohtaki passed away, he came to my radio.
00:35He came often.
00:36Did he go out to eat?
00:38He went out to eat once.
00:41Then let's go on a trip together next time.
00:43No, no, no.
00:44You're inviting me.
00:45To eat.
00:46Around Kyoto.
00:48Oh, Kyoto.
00:49That's cool.
00:50What about me?
00:51Oh, you too.
00:53I just remembered.
00:55Two-sided handkerchief and Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind.
01:00The works he has written so far are by more than 2,000 writers.
01:04Takashi Matsumoto.
01:07Kinji of Japanese rock.
01:09A legendary band.
01:11He is active as a member of Happy End.
01:14When I put the book down, the background comes out.
01:20When I look at the clock, I come up with a lot of things.
01:25Tonight, we approach the mind of genius writer Takashi Matsumoto.
01:32Furthermore...
01:34I rewrite all the other parts.
01:37He talks about his time collecting the Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind.
01:41When a wild elephant dies,
01:44there is a grave like a valley of death.
01:47It's not like you leave the grave and die.
01:50How old are you?
01:51I'm really 20 years old.
01:57Tsurube and Sawako.
01:59Two strange people.
02:06Do you still continue to write?
02:09I only write once or twice a year.
02:13Is that so?
02:15You've been writing for a long time.
02:20It's really hard to write.
02:24I used to be too great.
02:29It's very painful to write a good poem than that.
02:34That's great.
02:36Everyone is like that.
02:38It's hard to get over your good self.
02:43I think it's really hard for a writer.
02:46That's right.
02:47My voice is getting hoarse.
02:49I know my best time.
02:53When I'm on stage, it's like that.
02:58I want to get over it.
03:00I'm desperate because I want to do my best next time.
03:05You don't have to be so desperate.
03:07I shouldn't be desperate.
03:09If I can't do it, I'll give up.
03:14What do you do for a living now?
03:19I have a lot of old works.
03:24So I don't have to do anything.
03:27If you sing in the karaoke?
03:29Yes.
03:30Cha-rin.
03:31Cha-rin.
03:32Cha-rin.
03:33Cha-rin.
03:35When I write a poem, it's hard to get over it.
03:40Because there are many types of poems.
03:42Yes.
03:43I'm writing a poem that I don't know.
03:47I'm writing a similar poem.
03:50I'm forgetting everything.
03:52I thought I was good at it.
03:54Is that bad?
03:55After a while, I thought I did it again.
04:00There are some titles that are the same.
04:04Is there anything you can't forgive?
04:06Yes.
04:07I feel like I'm running out of ideas.
04:10Do you feel like you've run out of ideas?
04:12I don't know when I started running out of ideas.
04:16I've run out of ideas.
04:18I've had ideas since Happy End.
04:21I see.
04:23Was Happy End a college student?
04:25Yes.
04:26Did you write such a song at that time?
04:30I'm 23 years old.
04:32It's like an invention because it doesn't look like anything.
04:38It's like an invention.
04:40Mr. Otake, what are you doing?
04:42Wait a minute.
04:44What are you doing?
04:45The cord of the microphone.
04:46You don't have to fix it.
04:47Please talk to me.
04:50What is it?
04:51It's fun.
04:52I'm sorry.
04:53What are you doing?
04:56Are you fixing my bra?
04:59After Apollo 11 successfully landed on the moon,
05:03the legendary variety show The Drifters,
05:07which brought together all eight eras, began airing in 1944.
05:15They formed the new Happy End band, April Fool.
05:23What did you do when you were a college student?
05:27Where did you get invited to do Happy End?
05:30Before that, I was in a band called April Fool.
05:33You were in a band.
05:35Mr. Hosono was there.
05:37April Fool was disbanded.
05:41I was in trouble with Mr. Hosono.
05:43I said, let's recruit members and make a new band.
05:47I said, why don't you try it in Japanese?
05:51April Fool is Western music.
05:54I made the original version of April Fool in English.
05:59If it was in English, I wouldn't be able to do it.
06:02You wouldn't be able to do it.
06:06I want to do it in Japanese.
06:09In Japanese.
06:11As a genre, it's not rock or folk, is it?
06:15It's not folk. It's rock.
06:17When you say, gather the wind, it's a bit like folk.
06:22It's rock, but people who haven't heard it often say that
06:27Happy End is a folk band.
06:30That's what I thought.
06:32I don't say that at all when I watch a live show.
06:34Mr. Hosono and Mr. Matsumoto chose two otakus, Mr. Suzuki and Mr. Otake.
06:41I chose them, or they naturally gathered.
06:45Did you know Mr. Otake originally?
06:48Mr. Otake was in a disco called Panic in Shinjuku called April Fool.
06:55He played every night.
06:59It was pretty hard. It was black.
07:03Mr. Otake came to play there.
07:07Also, Mr. Minako Yoshida came to play.
07:12Who named the group Happy End?
07:16At first, the group was called Valentine's Blue.
07:20It's a name that makes your back itch.
07:24Mr. Hosono came up with that name.
07:26When we made the album, we made a poem called Happy End at the end.
07:32We recorded it as the last song.
07:37On the way home, Mr. Hosono and I went home by car.
07:45Mr. Matsumoto liked the title of the song Happy End, so we decided to name the band.
07:57Mr. Hosono?
07:58Yeah.
07:59Mr. Otake wasn't there.
08:01I thought it was a good idea.
08:04That's why I chose it.
08:08Did you start with the first album, Yudemen?
08:12Yudemen is not an official name. It's a nickname.
08:17Oh, I see.
08:18The official name is Happy End.
08:21The band made an album called Happy End.
08:24It's Happy End.
08:26But no one said that.
08:28Why?
08:29When the jacket was finished, there was a big magazine.
08:34It said Happy End in Hiragana.
08:38It was a picture of a udon restaurant in Shinjuku.
08:43It said Yudemen on the signboard.
08:47The signboard of the udon restaurant in Shinjuku said Yudemen.
08:52That's why it was Yudemen.
08:55That's why everyone said Yudemen.
08:57Why Yudemen?
08:59I think it will be re-developed soon.
09:03Not yet?
09:04Yudemen was here.
09:07It's still here.
09:09A few years ago, a signboard was built.
09:13It's on the sacred ground of Happy End.
09:16The fans go to the sacred ground.
09:20Happy End was active for three or four years.
09:26My first work was Yudemen.
09:30Mr. Hosono told me to write Matsumoto.
09:33Mr. Hosono told me to write Matsumoto.
09:35It's been ten years.
09:37It's been two years.
09:39When I was in the first year of college, he was in the third year of college.
09:42That's a big difference.
09:44It's a big difference.
09:47He also told me about the hair.
09:49I wanted a bass player in Harajuku.
09:54I thought anyone would be good.
09:57Then I found a good bass player in Rikkyo.
10:02I gave him my phone number.
10:05I called him in the middle of the night.
10:08I called him in the middle of the night.
10:11I said,
10:13I asked him if he was in Harami.
10:17I asked him if he was in Harami.
10:19I asked him if he was in Harami.
10:23He said,
10:25I asked him to come to the Concorde bar in Harajuku.
10:30I wore a suit.
10:32I wore a suit.
10:35He wore a white T-shirt and black jeans.
10:43I remember that.
10:45I remember that.
10:48Mr. Hosono said,
10:50Mr. Hosono said,
10:52Mr. Hosono said,
10:55Mr. Hosono said,
10:57I don't know if I can say that.
11:00I don't know if I can say that.
11:02I don't know if I can say that.
11:04I don't know if I can say that.
11:06I don't know if I can say that.
11:08I don't know if I can say that.
11:10I don't know if I can say that.
11:12I don't know if I can say that.
11:14I don't know if I can say that.
11:16I don't know if I can say that.
11:18I don't know if I can say that.
11:20I don't know if I can say that.
11:22I don't know if I can say that.
11:24I don't know if I can say that.
11:26I go back to Tekno KATO era.
11:28Was it long after you guys?
11:30Yeah, long after me.
11:32Mr. Hosono was famous in Y.A. Mode.
11:34And I also.
11:36So did you play Tecna too?
11:38Mr. Hosono did not invent anything
11:40Ah, Mr. Hosono did invent Tecna?
11:42Ah, Mr. Hosono did invent Tecna?
11:44And he got three rounds?
11:50So then I was there with
11:52Mr. Hosono of Tecna KATO
11:54And there was a young man with long hair who said,
11:57we are a rock band.
12:01I said, Mr. Hosono,
12:03and started talking to him.
12:05Then I looked at him and said,
12:07your hair is too long.
12:09It's not in the right shape.
12:13At that time, you were the center.
12:16That's right.
12:17Your looks were the best.
12:18My values were the best.
12:21The best.
12:23It was really hard to be with him.
12:25It was hard.
12:26Because he changed a lot.
12:28So, Mr. Hosono, Mr. Eichi Otaki,
12:31Mr. Matsumoto, and Mr. Shige Suzuki
12:34wrote a song called Happy End.
12:36What impressed me here was
12:39the wind.
12:41I'm just saying this,
12:43but you wrote this song when you were
12:46half an amateur, right?
12:48I was 20.
12:49You were 20, right?
12:50It was around that time.
12:52Can you sing a little?
12:54No, I can't.
12:56You can't?
12:57I have a temper.
13:01Don't say that.
13:04It might feel good if I sing after a long time.
13:06You said it felt good.
13:08It's strange to sing here.
13:12Please.
13:14With acapella.
13:16When I was 20,
13:18I couldn't express the feeling of
13:21an out-of-town alley.
13:25When I was a kid,
13:27when I walked in a narrow alley,
13:29I felt wide.
13:31Because you were small.
13:33When I grew up and went to the same place,
13:36it felt really narrow.
13:38It was narrow?
13:40I thought I was playing in such a narrow place.
13:47That's what it means.
13:50It's a roadside train that leaves
13:53behind a bunch of stains.
13:55It's not the first train in the morning.
13:58It's a roadside train that leaves behind.
14:01I have a personality.
14:04A roadside train.
14:05A roadside train with a lot of stains is a smog.
14:09When the fog of the smog clears,
14:13a roadside train crosses the sea.
14:16There's a little bit of death in this song.
14:20Yes.
14:22When a wild elephant dies,
14:25there are many graves like a valley of death.
14:29It walks there and dies.
14:34It's like that.
14:35How old are you?
14:37Isn't it really amazing?
14:39You were sick.
14:41I love this song.
14:43I love it, too.
14:44It's amazing.
14:46I've never heard this song so many times.
14:51I don't know why it's so standard.
14:55I think it's a good song.
14:58Hosono-san also wrote a good song.
15:01Is this the beginning of the poem?
15:03The happy ending is the beginning of the poem.
15:06Did Hosono-san add a melody to this?
15:09At first, it was like a mother's letter.
15:16It was like a mother's letter.
15:19I didn't know that.
15:22There was something like that.
15:24I used it as a basis.
15:26It was like a folk song.
15:28Hosono-san added a melody to it.
15:32It's still on the demo tape.
15:35Is it still there?
15:37I added a melody to it.
15:39It's a boring song.
15:42Both the poem and the song are boring.
15:46Before the album was completed,
15:52I thought I'd take this out.
15:56This?
15:58It's like a mother's letter.
16:02I took it out.
16:06When I made the second album,
16:09Matsumoto added a new song to that poem.
16:13The poem wasn't good.
16:16I asked him many times to add a song.
16:20He said the song was good.
16:23The song was good, but the poem wasn't good.
16:26He said he'd fix the poem.
16:28He threw away all the previous poems.
16:31He added the chorus and the wind.
16:35He rewrote everything else.
16:38He rewrote it?
16:40That's how it came to be.
16:42Matsumoto-san wrote the first poem.
16:46Hosono-san added the song to it.
16:49Hosono-san added a new song to it.
16:52Matsumoto-san wrote the second poem.
16:55That's how it came to be.
16:57The song was completed
17:00when Hosono-san told me
17:03that Matsumoto-san was holding a guitar
17:07and asked me to listen to it.
17:11He said the song was like this.
17:15I listened to it, and it was great.
17:18It's the same now.
17:20We were Happy Ender fans.
17:22We used to play the organ when we were in college.
17:25When I hear what they're saying now,
17:28it's amazing.
17:30I didn't know it was like this.
17:33But you've said it in several interviews.
17:36I didn't know.
17:38We didn't know.
17:40I didn't say anything.
17:42I'm sorry.
17:44I'm sure you didn't.
17:46I didn't say anything.
17:49That's bullying, too.
17:52I'd like to hear it.
17:54May I?
18:00If you're out of town
18:06If you're walking
18:11down a long street
18:17A roadside train
18:23Passing by my parents
18:31I saw it crossing the sea
18:38So I picked up the wind
18:45I picked up the wind
18:51I picked up the wind
18:55And ran through the blue sky
19:00And ran through the blue sky
19:04I listened to it again.
19:06A band like this used to come out a lot.
19:09You imitated them.
19:11I couldn't do it at all.
19:14This is your voice.
19:16Yes.
19:18Matsumoto-san, did you sing?
19:21I didn't sing.
19:23I'm a singer.
19:25You've sung before, haven't you?
19:27No, I haven't.
19:29I'm sure you have.
19:31Why are you arguing?
19:34Why did you say you'd sing?
19:37Because I'm the one who made it.
19:40The one who made it.
19:42You've been active in HAPPY END for four years.
19:45Yes.
19:47Did you have an argument with Hosono-san?
19:50We had a big fight somewhere.
19:52A big fight?
19:54That's great. It's youth.
19:56We were going to break up.
19:59After the recording of KAZEMACHI ROMAN,
20:03I was a little upset.
20:05Matsumoto-san wasn't involved in the fight.
20:08I felt like I might not be able to do it anymore.
20:12What were you going to do when you quit?
20:15I felt like I was going to get in trouble.
20:19Did Hosono-san tell you?
20:21No, there were four of us.
20:23There was also a manager.
20:25There were about five of us.
20:27We had a meeting.
20:29Hosono-san told me that we had decided to break up.
20:35I was pregnant.
20:41You were already married?
20:43Yes, I was.
20:44I was pregnant.
20:48But you had to feed your family.
20:52I had to feed my family.
20:54That's right.
20:55I had to feed my family.
20:57What did you do?
20:58That's how I became a writer.
21:00That's how you became a writer?
21:02Yes.
21:03For your family?
21:04Yes, for my family.
21:06You had to work hard.
21:08I worked too hard.
21:10You were still in your twenties.
21:12I was 23 years old.
21:14You thought you could do it.
21:16You got a lot of offers.
21:18After my mother's concert,
21:20I was really all alone.
21:22I asked three of my good friends
21:26to give me a job because I wanted to be a writer.
21:31Three of us went around in one day.
21:34Did you do your own business?
21:36Yes, I did my own business for one day.
21:39This is a story about the tulip memory.
21:46This is a story about Agnes's pocket.
21:50It's a secret.
21:52It's a secret.
21:54Do you remember?
21:56I don't know.
21:58I don't know what you were singing.
22:00It was a hit because it was both songs.
22:03What is this person?
22:05It's amazing.
22:06I don't know what you're talking about.
22:08You sang two songs.
22:10I did my business for one day.
22:13After this,
22:15I read it vertically.
22:17Is it okay to do such a silly thing?
22:19I really can't do it.
22:21It's a story about Takashi Matsumoto's writing style.
22:26I look at the clock and do a lot of things.
22:30I did all the work.
22:32You're analyzing the equipment in front of the lyricist.
22:37It's a hit.
22:43After the dissolution of Happy End in 1947,
22:48Takashi Matsumoto's writing activities have become more serious.
22:53It's a big difference from the world of folk rock or rock.
23:00Does this kind of poem come to mind when you think of Agnes?
23:04Well...
23:06There's a hidden word in this song.
23:09What is it?
23:11There's a hidden code.
23:13In this song.
23:15A code?
23:17You were sleeping on the grass.
23:19I was sleeping.
23:21You were gentle and whispered.
23:23If you read it vertically, it's Agnes' song.
23:26Oh, really?
23:28Is it okay to do such a silly thing?
23:31I really can't do it.
23:33It's a story about Takashi Matsumoto's writing style.
23:38I really can't do it.
23:42I really can't do it.
23:44I wanted to make it a song with a lot of secrets.
23:49So I put the secret in the song.
23:52There's a secret in this song.
23:55I didn't say anything for two or three years.
23:59You didn't say anything?
24:01It was a hit all over Japan.
24:04But no one noticed.
24:06It was my own secret.
24:09You thought someone would say it, but no one did.
24:12It was a hit.
24:14Everyone knew, but no one noticed.
24:17Matsumoto said he was going to tell the song to Tamashii.
24:23He said it in a bad way.
24:25But you didn't notice this secret.
24:29Did you get cold from the rock world?
24:33I was like Hosono.
24:36What if Hosono gets angry?
24:39He gets angry when I talk to him.
24:43Oh, he gets angry.
24:45He's my senior.
24:48I was worried.
24:50What if he goes to such a place?
24:53I was worried if Matsumoto was walking the wrong path.
24:58But it became a hit.
25:00You're a magician of words.
25:03YMO was also popular.
25:06I became YMO.
25:10I was popular, too.
25:13What was it?
25:15YMO Kintoryo.
25:17I did it, too.
25:19At that time, I was able to request songs.
25:29So I asked Hosono to do it.
25:33He might do it.
25:35You did?
25:36You were told to do it.
25:38It's been years since then.
25:40We were told to do it.
25:43And then?
25:45He said he would do it.
25:47He's a millionaire.
25:50Which one?
25:52High School Rival.
25:55It was Hosono.
25:57It was a bit techno.
26:00I made a parody of YMO's school song.
26:09I was free.
26:11I could do whatever I wanted.
26:15He's a millionaire.
26:18I was the only one who could eat.
26:22I see.
26:24You had a lot of collaborations with Kyohei Tsutsumi.
26:27It's a long story.
26:29Which one did you want to do with Kyohei Tsutsumi?
26:34I said I wanted to be a lyricist.
26:40I was relieved that Tulip had been sold.
26:45My goal was to write a song with Kyohei Tsutsumi.
26:51I wanted to write a song with Matsumoto Takashi.
26:56Did you like Kyohei Tsutsumi?
26:58Yes, I did.
27:00Hosono approved of Kyohei Tsutsumi.
27:05He said Kyohei Tsutsumi was talented.
27:09Hosono was always chosen.
27:13Because he was two years older than Kyohei Tsutsumi.
27:18And I was ten years older than Kyohei Tsutsumi.
27:22Another great person came.
27:25I met a lot of great people.
27:30I met Hosono.
27:33I met Hosono.
27:36I met Hosono.
27:40I met Hosono.
27:44When you made a song with Seiko Matsuda,
27:48Did you listen to Seiko Matsuda's voice?
27:52I listened to Seiko Matsuda's CM song.
27:57Which part did you like?
27:59Pop part.
28:01Seiko Matsuda's voice is not wet.
28:05Japanese songs are wet.
28:10Seiko Matsuda's voice is dry.
28:14Seiko Matsuda's voice is low-quality.
28:17Seiko Matsuda's voice is just right temperature and quality.
28:22Seiko Matsuda's voice suits you when you drive.
28:28I have a good sense of speed.
28:30I have a good sense of rhythm.
28:32Was Seiko Matsuda's voice like that from the beginning?
28:34Yes, from the beginning.
28:35Seiko Matsuda's voice is not good because Seiko Matsuda was blessed with a good song.
28:38Seiko Matsuda's voice is good because Seiko Matsuda is good.
28:41I see.
28:43What kind of story do you want to write from the beginning?
28:49What kind of world view do you want to create?
28:51When I make a song,
28:54The background comes out.
28:57The background comes out?
28:59Nagisa comes out.
29:01Balcony comes out.
29:03You said you decided the location first.
29:05The background starts to move just by placing the background.
29:09I think that's what a good person would do when writing a story.
29:15What about a red sweet pea?
29:17A red sweet pea has a route.
29:19There is a flower called a red sweet pea.
29:22If you put it there, you can see the clock.
29:25You can do a lot of things.
29:28You can do a lot of things.
29:30You can make the girl move freely.
29:32You can make the girl move freely.
29:33You can make the girl move freely.
29:35I thought it was interesting when I asked Mr. Matsumoto before.
29:39When a boring scene comes out,
29:43I write something that I don't understand in one line.
29:48Do you have anything to say?
29:50Isn't that a wind-up cloth?
29:52It's a wind-up cloth.
29:54It's a wind-up cloth.
29:55Sumire Himawari Frigio is not visually black.
30:00A wind-up cloth.
30:03It's autumn now.
30:06From today, I'm a traveler of the heart.
30:13I wanted to sing.
30:15I wanted to sing.
30:16I wanted to sing.
30:18I don't want to show a smile.
30:21I wonder if there was something between the two of us.
30:25Sumire Himawari Frigio comes out.
30:27Is that so?
30:28That's right.
30:29When you wrote it, did you understand it?
30:34I understood it.
30:36I thought Japanese songs had too many explanations.
30:40I wanted to sing a song that didn't have many explanations.
30:43I wondered why I chose this word.
30:47Sumire Himawari Frigio
30:52It's all a wind-up cloth.
30:54I see.
30:55I just analyzed it later.
31:00When I wrote it, I wrote it appropriately.
31:02It's comfortable, so it comes out.
31:07I wanted to choose three flowers.
31:10Intonation is good.
31:14I didn't want to show tears.
31:17I thought I had to say goodbye.
31:20Sumire Himawari Frigio
31:22I wrote a letter to him on the terrace of the wind.
31:25I wrote it with the ink of the wind.
31:28It's boring if it's blue ink.
31:31It's the ink of the wind.
31:34The wind is blowing.
31:37If I turn around, the grassland will be colored.
31:39I can live alone.
31:40I'll do my best to live.
31:42A red bandana around my neck.
31:44Where does it come from?
31:45This bandana was popular around this time.
31:48Was it popular?
31:51Wait a minute.
31:53You're analyzing it in front of the composer.
31:58You're a great writer.
32:01You're a writer, too.
32:03You're analyzing it.
32:06I have a sense of respect for him.
32:09You have a sense of respect for him.
32:12I can't do it.
32:14I can't explain it.
32:18How can I say goodbye?
32:20How does he feel?
32:21How do I feel?
32:23If I try to put it in these short words,
32:25There are a lot of unnecessary things.
32:27It's a lot of unnecessary things.
32:29It's like a picture of a picture.
32:33It's like a picture of a picture.
32:36You said it was an old picture.
32:39It's the sound of water jumping into a river.
32:42Frogs jump in.
32:45I think it's very pop.
32:47Yes, it's pop.
32:49If you think about it.
32:51I think it was a revolutionary new era.
32:55I see.
32:56So, you sold so many songs in the world of the entertainment industry.
33:03Didn't you have any regrets about rock music?
33:07Rock music was already a success.
33:11With Happy End?
33:13I don't think I have to do anything more.
33:16As I said earlier, it's hard to go beyond your own death.
33:20I think it's hard for me to go beyond Happy End with rock music.
33:26So, if you change the stage, you can conquer it with a stage called a pop song.
33:33No, it's not about conquering in the world of pop songs.
33:37It's about evil.
33:39Oh, I see.
33:40It's about evil.
33:42What do you think of the genius lyricist, Yuu Akui?
33:48He's a great rapper.
33:50He's a rival.
33:51I'm just afraid of his face.
33:53I'm afraid of his face.
33:55And...
33:56I'm afraid to call Hosono.
33:58Are you afraid?
33:59Even now.
34:00What do you think?
34:01He revealed a super private story about Happy End.
34:05It's really funny.
34:07Yuu Akui was a big enemy.
34:10He was a great rapper.
34:12He was a rival.
34:13Yuu Akui is amazing.
34:17What do you think is amazing?
34:19Pink Lady and Juri.
34:23And Enka.
34:25There are some good songs.
34:28Have you ever talked to Yuu Akui?
34:30Have you ever talked to him?
34:32Have you ever talked to him?
34:34Have you ever talked to him?
34:37It was a private party of Kyohei Tsutsumi.
34:44It was a party of Kyohei Tsutsumi where Yuu Akui and Takashi Matsumoto were talking.
34:51What did you talk about?
34:53It was a movie.
34:54I was shooting a movie called Minetsu Shounen.
34:59I was shooting a movie called Minetsu Shounen.
35:04It was a good movie.
35:07I think he was older than me.
35:13He used polite language to me.
35:18He was cheerful.
35:21He had a scary face, but he was kind.
35:23His face was scary.
35:25He wasn't afraid of wrinkles.
35:29So, Yuu Akui was your rival.
35:32Yes, in the 70s.
35:34Did you have a hard time when you were popular?
35:40Did you have a hard time when you were popular?
35:44I had to write two articles in three days.
35:49I didn't have time to eat or sleep.
35:55You couldn't eat?
35:58I had to write articles.
36:00I had to write articles.
36:03I didn't have time to eat.
36:05I'm not eating now.
36:07I'm in Kyoto.
36:09If I was eating and having fun, I would take a long time.
36:13I didn't have time to write.
36:15Everyone is like that.
36:17You were an output, so what did you do when you tried to be an input?
36:21I was an input.
36:22I was an input.
36:26Really?
36:27What did you do when you were an input?
36:29I was living a school life.
36:32I read novels and watched movies.
36:35I went to Kyoto.
36:38What kind of novels and movies did you like?
36:40I liked Jean Cocteau.
36:42Jean Cocteau?
36:44It's different.
36:46Did you start a band after that?
36:48The Beatles just made their debut.
36:52They took everything.
36:55Everything was destroyed.
36:57The Beatles were amazing.
37:00They were a great band.
37:02It's still being talked about.
37:04It's the same in Vietnam.
37:06The Beatles are all over the world.
37:10After that, did you have five siblings?
37:14Did you have a younger brother and a younger sister?
37:16I had a younger brother and a younger sister.
37:18My younger sister died when I was 26 years old.
37:22Did you have a weak heart since you were a kid?
37:24My heart was weak.
37:26How old were you when your sister died?
37:30I was a lyricist.
37:33You were a lyricist.
37:35I liked my younger sister, Noguchi Goro.
37:38When I made her song, she was very happy.
37:43I was able to go to my sister's high school.
37:46It's amazing that your sister died.
37:49You can't imagine that.
37:51That was when I was in the Lomba family.
37:55The Lomba family...
38:00Mr. Ohtaki gave me an offer.
38:03He said he wanted to do the next album with Matsumoto.
38:08I said yes.
38:12There were many things.
38:14It's been a few years since then.
38:19I thought it would be nice to make up.
38:24Instead, I asked him to sing what I didn't want to sing.
38:29You gave him a condition.
38:32I think he sang very well.
38:36I'm embarrassed.
38:38I've been told a lot of things.
38:42It's a funny story.
38:44Mr. Ohtaki and Mr. Hosono have a funny life.
38:49It's funny.
38:51I watched episode 5.
38:53It's really funny.
38:55They don't fight, do they?
38:57I don't think so.
38:59Mr. Matsumoto...
39:01Mr. Hosono and Mr. Ohtaki understand each other.
39:05They don't fight.
39:08It's the opposite.
39:10I don't know why they don't fight.
39:14Do they still get together?
39:16The other day, the three of us got together.
39:19Mr. Ohtaki didn't come.
39:21We talked about next year.
39:23Are you going to do something?
39:25I don't know.
39:27I'm afraid to call Mr. Hosono.
39:29Are you afraid?
39:31Are you nervous?
39:34He's a unique person.
39:36I thought it was just me.
39:38Shigeru is like that, too.
39:40That's what Mr. Hosono is doing.
39:43Have you ever noticed us?
39:45He's a great actor.
39:47He's easy to talk to.
39:49That's because he's still a virgin.
39:53They're funny guys.
39:56Mr. Sakamoto died.
39:59Mr. Takai died.
40:01I think Mr. Hosono wants to do something with Mr. Matsumoto and Mr. Suzuki.
40:07I don't know what he wants to do.
40:09Anyway, the two of them died.
40:13It's a continuation.
40:15I thought it was a problem.
40:18There's a female cameraman named Anju.
40:23I got an email.
40:26Mr. Hosono is very depressed.
40:29He called me.
40:31I called him on the phone.
40:34He must have been discouraged.
40:36He called me and said,
40:38I'm still here.
40:43I asked him if he was depressed.
40:45He said he was depressed.
40:47I told him.
40:49I told him to get over it.
40:51I didn't think I could talk about such a private thing.
40:54It's okay.
40:57I was relieved.
41:00I was worried about Mr. Hosono.
41:03I've never met him.
41:05I was worried about him.
41:07Everyone knows that.
41:09Has he recovered a little?
41:12I haven't met him yet.
41:15I have to talk to him.
41:19No matter how big it is.
41:23I talk to him a lot.
41:26I have to talk to him.
41:30It's a local story.
41:32I don't talk to Ryucho.
41:35I talk to him a lot.
41:38I talk to him a lot.
41:40From now on, you will write poetry when you want to write slowly.
41:45Yes.
41:46After that, you will go to Kyoto and Tokyo.
41:49Are you going to eat?
41:52I want to eat.
41:55I want to invite someone every day.
41:59That's good.
42:02As a gourmet.
42:05There are some places in Kyoto that are difficult to book.
42:12It's like playing a game.
42:17You have to be careful.
42:20You have to be careful.
42:23It's strange to be careful now.
42:26I was wondering what kind of store it was.
42:28I'm being teased.
42:31I'm sure you'll be teased.
42:34That's right.
42:35I'm easy to be teased.
42:37When I think about the people around me, I say,
42:40Stop it because it won't sell.
42:42After this, Kumiko, a chanson singer, will produce.
42:47You look like Hosono.
42:55Takashi Matsumoto, 75 years old.
42:58About the present and the future.
43:01I'm going to meet my Kumiko soon.
43:04I'm sorry I'm so clumsy.
43:06That's right.
43:08That's related to Matsumoto.
43:10December.
43:12I'm not going to perform today.
43:14It's about four days.
43:16That's right.
43:18I'm a guest on the first floor.
43:20Matsumoto is a guest on the first floor.
43:22I'm the last guest.
43:25Matsumoto was the one who discovered Kumiko.
43:29That's right.
43:31Where did you discover her?
43:33When I was 46 years old, I was asked by the agency to produce.
43:39Miyo, my daughter, is a manager.
43:43Miyo, my daughter, is trying to reduce her work as much as possible.
43:52What kind of manager?
43:54What kind of manager?
43:56When I go to the agency, there are so many movie posters.
44:03I can go to any of them.
44:06You can go.
44:08I was wondering what to do with them.
44:10I threw them all away.
44:13The CDs are piled up like this.
44:17It's a request from the producer.
44:22There's an old Kumiko CD on top of it.
44:26I was wondering what it was.
44:28It's a pile of trash.
44:30It's one of the piles of trash.
44:32There was Kumiko on top of the pile of trash.
44:36When I looked at it, there was a song I made a long time ago.
44:42In Kumiko's previous album?
44:44Yes, in Kumiko's previous album.
44:46I thought it would be interesting, so I asked her to listen to it.
44:49I asked her to listen to it.
44:51She said, it's interesting, so let's do it.
44:53We all looked at it.
44:56That's a great start.
45:00After producing a number of hits,
45:03you said you wanted to write songs for adults.
45:09I wrote a lot of poems for young women.
45:16I'm a mature woman.
45:18Are you choosing words?
45:21You're choosing words.
45:22I'm an adult woman.
45:24I'm a mature woman.
45:25I want you to say mature.
45:27It's hard.
45:30I thought I could write a poem like that.
45:34I thought I could sing it if I were her.
45:37When you hear her voice,
45:39do you feel like you could write a song for her?
45:44When I talked to people around me,
45:47they told me not to do it because it wouldn't sell.
45:50But I changed my mind and did it.
45:55That's how I met her.
45:57I was very lucky.
46:00I'm sorry to say this, but I was going to throw her away.
46:05You didn't make that many hits until then.
46:08You were a chanson singer.
46:10I was a chanson singer.
46:12Matsuboshi found out that you were active as a chanson singer.
46:16Chanson is a very good word.
46:18I know that.
46:20I feel like I'm surrounded by water droplets floating in the air.
46:28I have an aura.
46:30You have an aura.
46:32I thought it would be better if she sang my poem.
46:38Did you tell her that?
46:40You told her at first that you were a chanson singer.
46:47I did.
46:48You didn't tell her, did you?
46:50No, I didn't.
46:51Kumiko is Kumiko.
46:53She has her own world.
46:55She is the queen of her own world.
46:57Whether it sells or not,
46:59she has an objective value.
47:01That's why she looks like Hosono.
47:04What was the secret of Matsuboshi's success?
47:10I wrote a good poem.
47:13If you write a good poem,
47:15the one who can sing it will sing it.
47:17I think Kumiko knows how to be grateful from the bottom of her heart.
47:22I know.
47:24Of course.
47:26Why are you so anxious?
47:29I know.
47:31Humble.
47:33Humble is a virtue.
47:37Today is the 6th year of Reiwa.
47:39Today.
47:40What kind of day is it for Matsuboshi?
47:43I had a lot of fun today.
47:45I was teased from both sides.
47:48I don't have anyone to tease me.
47:51There is no one to tease Takashi Matsumoto.
47:54There is no one like him.
47:57I had a lot of fun with this person and that person.
48:01Let's have you sing at the end.
48:04Why do you make me sing?
48:06Stop it.
48:07Did you release a single?
48:11I'm sorry for teasing you.
48:15Thank you for coming to see Takashi Matsumoto today.
48:19Please say hello to Hosono-san.
48:21I hope to see you again.
48:24Finally, a great senior of Showa.
48:27Life words from Takashi Matsumoto.
48:34Gather the wind.
48:36Takashi Matsumoto.
48:42Next time, Natsuko Toda will translate the movie subtitles.
48:47She will talk about overseas stars such as Tom Cruise and Robert De Niro.
48:54I'm always told to come.
48:57I'm doing a movie with subtitles on TV.
49:00Natsuko Toda said it was interesting.
49:03I did it.