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00:00I'll tell you this, you asked when was the moment when it was understood that this is a friend's tilt.
00:07I think when he reached the assembly, who were celebrating the 50th anniversary of the constitution,
00:12I think sitting in between Ishaq Dar and Khwaja Asif, I think whoever it was.
00:18Zardari sir was sitting with him.
00:20Zardari sir?
00:21Zardari sir was on one side.
00:22Which judge? I don't know, neither in India, nor in the UK, nor anywhere, or in Pakistan.
00:27And then he…
00:28People sit in secret, they don't sit openly like this.
00:30Yes, they don't sit openly.
00:31I think a judge…
00:33By the way, he had to become the Chief Justice, he didn't become it yet.
00:36So he went at that time.
00:38And he was the only judge, by the way.
00:40Everyone was invited, only he went.
00:43So one, he shouldn't have gone.
00:45One, there should have been a symbolic gesture with the brother judges,
00:48that why am I going alone?
00:50You saw in that case, the reserve seat case,
00:54Mr. Qazi repeatedly said that this case is the case of intra-party elections.
01:00He didn't do it, I made the decision.
01:02Mr. Qazi never gave an answer to one thing.
01:04But you also say that the Election Commission's interpretation was not correct.
01:07You issued two clarifications in Mubarak Shani.
01:10In that too, you would have said that our decision is being misinterpreted,
01:14we have eliminated a party, it is entitled.
01:17Elections…
01:18How big it would have been, if all the reserve seats had been given to the PTI.
01:22If the interpretation is that the Election Commission is wrong,
01:24and he is also sitting quietly,
01:26then all the consequences that you are seeing are because of that.
01:29No, Hassan, there is another point in that.
01:31He should have given clarification.
01:33The party's flag would have been put in front of Azad,
01:35posters would have been put up, banners would have been put up.
01:37It was said that you are completely free.
01:39Kashif did the biggest problem.
01:41Look, clarifications, it's not that they don't give clarifications.
01:44They got clarification.
01:46The most important thing in any democracy is the electoral process.
01:50Its fairness.
01:52And especially when you are making decisions,
01:54because of your decisions, its interpretation is being misinterpreted.
01:57And you are seeing that its interpretation is being misinterpreted.
02:00And he let it go.
02:02On purpose.
02:04Later, in the decision of July, he says that the interpretation was wrong.
02:07Who has been punished for that?
02:09The people of Pakistan have been punished.
02:11You had disenfranchised the people of Pakistan.
02:13You had steal mandates from the people of Pakistan.
02:16He is directly responsible.
02:18There is an election commission.
02:20But if this case was not in the Supreme Court,
02:23then it would have been another matter that why did you interfere.
02:26But because of the case, you yourself are saying that the interpretation is wrong.
02:29But they say that why didn't the PTI lawyer come in this regard?
02:32Okay.
02:33Where he is today, there are a lot of arguments.
02:36And why wasn't the intraparty election done before 8th February?
02:39There must be a lot of arguments.
02:41I am pretty sure everyone has a lot of arguments.
02:43I kept hearing in the Reserve Seat case,
02:45where their biggest argument was
02:47that because of the intraparty election,
02:49a case came in front of us.
02:50We decided the case on merit.
02:51Someone told me this.
02:52The decision was made at 11 pm.
02:54Someone told me this.
02:55When I spoke to him, I said,
02:57Sir, this disenfranchised.
02:59He said, Sir, this is not possible.
03:01And the rest of the parties didn't do it.
03:03You fined someone.
03:04You did this to someone.
03:05He said, Sir, this is not possible.
03:0610 people have killed.
03:07If there is a punishment on 11th,
03:08you say that it was not done on the first 10th,
03:09so leave it.
03:10There was no murder.
03:11It was a very sacred thing.
03:13Now, from there, I am talking about a debate.
03:16From there, the debate came that,
03:18Sir, you cannot collect both.
03:20One is a crime against humanity,
03:22when you kill somebody.
03:24And one is that the election was not done,
03:26but 1 crore, 1.5 crore, 2 crore, 5 crore,
03:30all the people who want to vote for a political party,
03:32you give them a chance to choose their political party.
03:35The supremacy of the parliament,
03:37which Qazi Sahib mentions again and again,
03:39that is the basis of the parliament,
03:41the election.
03:42If the election is fair,
03:43then a fair parliament,
03:44the representative of the people will come to the parliament,
03:46who will then make a decision,
03:48then it will be a representative decision.
03:50That is why amendments are not acceptable,
03:52because this assembly is wrongly elected.
03:55This is what Maulana Sahib says.
03:57Not Maulana Sahib, this is what everyone says.
03:59I am saying this again and again,
04:00this is a form of criticism,
04:01but Maulana Sahib used to say that
04:02this is a fake assembly,
04:03it has no power.
04:04Muneeb Sahib,
04:05was Qazi Sahib deceived in the end?
04:07What did you think three months ago?
04:09Will Qazi Sahib become the head of the Constitutional Court?
04:12Did he think that something like this would happen?
04:14Were there any assurances?
04:16Or were there just talks in the market
04:18to malign Qazi Sahib?
04:22I think Qazi Sahib knew that
04:26the government was going to make some amendments.
04:30Qazi Faisal Sahib was very important for this system.
04:36Let me tell you that
04:38this is just the first phase.
04:44In the coming days,
04:46there will be some developments
04:48after which you will see the 27th amendment,
04:52and maybe the 28th as well.
04:54Eventually, the constitutional benches
04:57will become the Constitutional Court.
05:00That is the Constitutional Court.
05:02This is the Constitutional Court.
05:04No, no, that is here.
05:06There is an issue.
05:08There are some issues,
05:10and there will be some complications.
05:13Because at the end of the day,
05:15it is under a superstructure.
05:17It is the Supreme Court.
05:18Under that, they have created a new division
05:20and a new bench.
05:21Look at what is happening in England.
05:23In England, there is a British High Court.
05:25There is a Kings Bench Division,
05:27a Chancellery Division,
05:28and a Family Division.
05:30Those cases have been shifted from one place to another.
05:32Here, they have created these benches.
05:34Now, to smoothen them,
05:36if this system works, then it is fair enough.
05:39If not, then in the future,
05:41someone else will do it for them.
05:43But one thing,
05:45Mr. Qazi Faisal,
05:47regarding him, I will definitely say
05:49that he was very important
05:51for the system,
05:53and he had a lot of importance,
05:55and he also knew about this.
05:57And everyone wanted...
05:59Yes?
06:00No, no, no, no.
06:01You start laughing.
06:02I was saying, what is this system?
06:04No, no, no.
06:05You are...
06:06No, no, no.
06:07Listen.
06:08No, no, no.
06:09Sir, if you want to stop the program,
06:11then it is a good thing.
06:13I will tell you.
06:14No, no, no.
06:15Listen to me.
06:16Everyone knows what this system is.
06:18Yesterday, Mr. Wada said,
06:20our people,
06:21remember,
06:22they are much more intelligent than us.
06:24The Pakistani nation is not stupid.
06:26Yes, that is right.
06:27We think they are stupid.
06:29We think we have fooled them.
06:31No, sir.
06:32They have repeatedly shown
06:34how intelligent they are.
06:36So, let's take a break.