Muhammad Zubair Ka Noon League Chhorna. .. Asad Umar Kya Kehte Hain ?
Category
🗞
NewsTranscript
00:00 Problem is, I understand that it is not for everyone.
00:04 It is unfortunate that you and Mohammad Zubair,
00:09 two educated people who are known for their political skills,
00:13 but there is not much space in Pakistani politics for such people.
00:16 Is that true?
00:17 No, I am not like that.
00:18 Like I said earlier, I cannot complain that Imran Khan did not give me space.
00:21 I think he gave me a lot of space.
00:22 He was also made a translator, but when the opportunity came, he was thrown out.
00:25 I cannot comment on him.
00:27 He can only say that I do not have any such complaint.
00:30 I got space, I got everything.
00:32 In fact, I got more than what I did not want to do.
00:36 But your exit is very different.
00:38 Mr. Zubair's exit or leaving politics was due to a fight with the establishment.
00:44 You also left because of the fight, but you were against the fight,
00:47 when Mr. Zubair fought and left.
00:49 You must remember that statement, whatever happened to him.
00:52 I do not want to comment on that.
00:54 Mr. Khan is in jail.
00:57 The government is established.
00:59 The government of Form 47,
01:01 Mr. Tariq Anzab accuses a lot that it is not a mandated government.
01:08 Do you think it is?
01:10 No, I do not think so.
01:12 Ask me.
01:13 Do you want to ask anything else?
01:14 No, no.
01:15 Tell me more.
01:16 You said that Tariq Anzab says.
01:18 Tell me what happened from where.
01:20 I will tell you what happened from where.
01:22 Because in Mumbai.
01:24 Because my tweet is that Shabaz Sharif has been banned, but there is no legitimacy.
01:28 How many seats are there in your house?
01:30 I will not tell you the number.
01:31 I guess 30 to 40, 40 to 50, 15 to 20, 20 to 25.
01:34 I will tell you that I will sit at home and whistle.
01:37 You know I do not pull this kind of air.
01:39 But Shabaz Sharif is not a minister with legitimacy and credibility.
01:43 It is a mandatory seat.
01:44 So, he has so many seats.
01:46 No, no, he will not make a government.
01:48 Now, Tariq Anzab needs advice.
01:50 What is the advice?
01:51 Because this is a place where some people are saying that you should talk to politicians.
01:56 You will remember this.
01:58 Long before, when in April 2022, especially when there were elections in Punjab, you also did the negotiations.
02:07 You were part of that team.
02:09 What would be your advice?
02:11 Should it go on like this that I am just talking to the establishment?
02:14 Or should I leave Tariq Anzab and talk to him?
02:18 First of all, you should start from here.
02:20 This is your political insight.
02:22 No, no, I will give you political.
02:24 I will give you political.
02:26 I will tell you both my position in Tariq Anzab, public position and private position.
02:30 There is no difference.
02:32 I am just saying that you should clear the context first.
02:34 Pakistan is standing here today. This is a huge failure of Pakistan's leadership.
02:44 And no statement of the world can change this reality.
02:48 You go and see the life of the people of Pakistan.
02:51 The life of a common man, what we have done with him.
02:53 The world has moved forward.
02:55 After one, after the second, after the third, the fourth country has moved forward from Pakistan.
02:59 I can't go into technical detail, but it is a disaster.
03:04 You were ahead of India, ahead of Bangladesh in growth rate.
03:08 Where have you fallen?
03:10 Let me tell you that in the last 30 years, your economy has improved.
03:14 If it had remained the same as it was in the last 30 years,
03:17 then your, my and the entire income of 25 crore Pakistanis would have been doubled.
03:21 There has been so much destruction.
03:24 So, this destruction means that this system is not delivering.
03:28 Whatever we are trying to run in the last 35 years, it is not delivering.
03:34 It is a hybrid type.
03:35 There are different versions of hybrid.
03:37 From 1988 to 1999, the government is coming and going through 58 to be president.
03:44 After that, Mr. Musharraf became the chief executive.
03:48 After 2008, another hybrid came.
03:51 You were a hybrid in 2018.
03:53 None of that is working.
03:54 Let's assume that you were a hybrid in 2018.
03:58 Was it completely free and fair, which had no military involvement?
04:02 I think there was involvement.
04:03 In the 2018 elections?
04:04 I think there was involvement in the lead up to the events.
04:07 It was not the day of the election.
04:09 The drama you have seen now, there was nothing like that.
04:11 There were seats, sir.
04:13 If you go to Karachi, you will find out what happened.
04:16 The reality of the people of Karachi has been revealed.
04:18 The people of Karachi have found out whether the vote was real or not.
04:22 I have also heard these theories.
04:23 Anyway, leave that.
04:24 But I agree that the Seraiki province has become a big deal.
04:27 The MNAs who were leaving and coming, etc.
04:29 But this is controversial.
04:31 Sir, after the election, free people came.
04:33 This is controversial.
04:34 After that, Azad Umidwar came, etc.
04:37 All these small union parties were those parties that were close to the army, not close to us.
04:43 MQM was not friends with us.
04:44 BAP was not friends with us.
04:46 PMLQ was not friends with us.
04:48 So that was there, but this is still controversial.
04:50 The thing that Mr. Khan has said publicly, there is no doubt about it.
04:56 He is saying that we could not complete the budget vote.
04:59 So they used to complete it for us.
05:01 So hybrid in some form or the other.
05:04 The comparison of that which you make a mistake,
05:07 it happened in 2018, it happened in 2024,
05:09 so what is the difference between the earth and the sky?
05:11 What happened then and what happened now?
05:13 So keep that in mind.
05:14 I am just saying that if this system is not delivering,
05:18 then it needs to be changed.
05:20 How?
05:21 To change it, because I believe that Pakistan cannot be complete without democracy,
05:27 cannot succeed.
05:28 This country was formed on the basis of democracy.
05:31 This country was formed on the basis of referendum vote.
05:34 A politician, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the great leader,
05:37 made this country in leadership.
05:39 There are people who speak different languages in it.
05:41 There are people who live in different areas.
05:43 If you want to keep it organized, then the democracy is the only solution to this.
05:47 And if democracy is the solution to this,
05:50 then we need to provide solutions in political leadership.
05:52 The establishment has a very big role, the biggest role in this whole period.
05:56 And if we say that…
05:57 It doesn't have a political role.
05:59 No, no, it has a role.
06:00 It should not have.
06:01 It should be that it is being discussed.
06:03 It should not be at all, but it has been.
06:05 It has not only been, but it has been the biggest role.
06:07 So if you want to move away from this,
06:09 this is my personal opinion and I am not saying this now.
06:12 This is what I am saying, Secretary General of Pakistan,
06:14 Tariq-e-Insaf, now you were asking about Tariq-e-Insaf,
06:17 Secretary General of Pakistan, Tariq-e-Insaf,
06:19 the program with you and dozens of other programs,
06:22 you can see it for yourself, from April 2022 to the next 12 months,
06:26 I always used to say that politicians should talk to each other.
06:30 Without compromising principles, you are saying that Imran Khan,
06:34 and Shabaz Sharif, Nawaz Sharif, Zardari Sahib, Bilawal Sahib,
06:37 everyone should sit and decide that this country should be run.
06:40 What are the rules of the game in this country?
06:41 100% correct, if we do not do it.
06:44 And you will say to Tariq-e-Insaf,
06:46 this party is in trouble, why is he sympathetic?
06:49 It's not like that anymore, it was 11 and a half years ago,
06:51 so there is sympathy for him.
06:52 That is why he is saying, Muslim League Noon is there today,
06:55 and I have said this on your program too,
06:57 and I have said it again and again since April 2022,
06:59 Muslim League Noon is going to bury its politics.
07:02 They have already buried it.
07:04 Muslim League Noon is standing there where PMLQ was standing in 2005 and 2006.
07:10 It is in the government, it has been hollowed out from below.
07:14 So if you want to come back into politics,
07:18 then you will have to make compromises.
07:20 But that's where the Noon…
07:22 There are voices coming from Noon, talk to them.
07:24 Voices are coming, they will have to take the lead.
07:26 Only those voices can be heard, in the government.
07:28 But if they take the lead, yes.
07:29 Yesterday, Ali Amin Ghandapur's interview was held.
07:34 He is a member of the Mazaqarati Committee.
07:36 He said that he will not talk to them.
07:37 Okay, that is Ali Amin Ghandapur's decision.
07:39 The day Ali Amin Ghandapur is told by Khan Sahib that he wants to talk,
07:41 he will talk to them.
07:43 And it can be his personal opinion that he should not talk.
07:45 I think he should talk.
07:46 Have you ever told Khan Sahib that we should talk,
07:48 and he did not agree?
07:50 He refused every time?
07:51 Absolutely.
07:52 We had a difference of opinion on that,
07:54 and it is still there.
07:55 Look, my personal opinion is that our government,
07:59 which was in opposition for three and a half years,
08:01 you know that whenever a negotiation committee was formed with the government,
08:05 it had a member, like Jangeet Reen Shah, Ahmed Qureshi, R.A. Falvi, me,
08:09 and we were the only people, like Parvez Khattak,
08:11 who was in the negotiation committee after the protest.
08:14 In the same way, whenever the government had to sit with the opposition,
08:17 I was also in those committees.
08:19 My personal experience is that accountability is the only thing
08:23 on which we could not compromise.