" Pori Hukoomat Ap Ke Pas Lekin Ap Ki Awaz Is Shakhs Se Neechay Hai Jo Jail Mein Betha Howa Hai "
" Pori Hukoomat Ap Ke Pas Lekin Ap Ki Awaz Is Shakhs Se Neechay Hai Jo Jail Mein Betha Howa Hai "
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00:00that we have to move forward on what Mr. Nihal is thinking.
00:03Where is PMLN's politics?
00:05Because politics does not stop. You have to do politics together.
00:08Governance in its place, politics in its place.
00:10The party has to be revived, the party has to be kept up.
00:13But even today, all the debates, Adyala Jail, he will come out, he will not come,
00:17yesterday the statement was made, this statement was really made,
00:19you took the back position.
00:20This is what's driving the news cycle.
00:23Why?
00:24I think there are two factors in this, Kashif, which are very important.
00:28The first thing is that Mr. Imran Khan's ability to be the center of the news,
00:35whether he is in the Prime Minister's office or in Adyala Jail,
00:39that ability is his biggest strength.
00:43I don't know, he plans by knowing that today I will give this statement,
00:46then I will do this.
00:48Anyway, whatever he does, it's working.
00:50And constantly, either there is news about him,
00:53or there is news against him, or there is news about him.
00:56This is the first thing.
00:57The second thing is that the government is so unsuccessful
01:02that they are not able to mend the news cycle in the government.
01:06So I think this is a very big failure of the government.
01:10First they say, look, the Prime Minister is in the office,
01:13the Prime Minister is sitting, the whole government is with him.
01:15In America, they use a term, bully pulpit,
01:17that the voice of the president is very loud.
01:20Here, the whole government is with you,
01:23and your voice is lower than the person who is in jail.
01:27This is a very big failure.
01:29But the bigger failure is that there is no acknowledgement of this failure.
01:33They don't seem to understand what the problem is.
01:36Why would they understand? Why should they understand?
01:38It's not them.
01:40No, you talked about politics.
01:42Politics is an issue.
01:43Elections, legitimacy.
01:45But this is simple media management.
01:48Sir, this issue was also there in 2018.
01:49Do you remember?
01:50Every political party was on the streets.
01:52We will not go to the assembly.
01:54They forced us to go to the party.
01:56What was the debate earlier?
01:57Four months, three months.
01:59The CM was wrong.
02:00The CM was appointed by Mr. Buzar.
02:01Corruption is happening in Punjab.
02:03This debate had already started in our National Assembly.
02:08The government is not able to run on these TV channels.
02:10These are the problems of the government.
02:11There are issues of governance.
02:13Although all the crises were there at that time,
02:16which you call a moral crisis,
02:18which you call a legitimacy crisis.
02:20The government was formed in the shadow of this crisis.
02:23Yet, today, neither the government,
02:25nor its morality, nor its wonders are being discussed.
02:28Because, probably, as you are saying,
02:31it's not just his ability.
02:32What else?
02:33I can't seem to put my finger on it.
02:35You were saying earlier, Kashif,
02:36that these are the issues of the government.
02:38This is what Mustafa Bhai was saying.
02:39These are all the issues of the population.
02:41Child mortality, whatever it is.
02:43These are genuine issues.
02:44We don't discuss it.
02:46There is an argument that
02:48if the media gets time, they should do it.
02:50They don't always get time from politics.
02:52But there is another angle.
02:54Look, issues are made.
02:56If there is an issue of governance,
02:58which the government feels should be
03:00at the center of the news cycle,
03:02then it is up to them to make that issue
03:04and ensure that we are talking about it today.
03:07They don't even do that.
03:08So, for us, talking to politics is a shortcut.
03:11It's easy.
03:12It's an easy way of doing journalism.
03:14The difficulty is that they do it,
03:16but the government's job is to understand
03:18that issues of governance come with difficulty,
03:20so they should be put in.
03:22They don't even do that.
03:23So, it's a failure.
03:24Failure on part of the government.
03:25Wait, what is Mian Saab thinking?
03:27What is Mian Saab thinking?
03:28Do you know?
03:29A leader of Pakistan's biggest political party,
03:32who used to think that I will just raise my hand
03:35and become the Prime Minister.
03:36These were the conditions in Pakistan,
03:38not long ago, 10-15 years ago.
03:40Today, a party like that has come and stood up.
03:43And we are discussing that Imran Khan is the headline,
03:47the front page of the newspaper.
03:49Mian Saab is not there.
03:51He is not in the debate.
03:52Why?
03:53Mian Saab has two things.
03:54One is Mian Saab's Jamaat,
03:55and the other is Mian Saab himself.
03:56He has completely receded himself.
03:58Is there a difference between the two?
03:59No, the difference is that
04:00his personal visibility has become zero.
04:02He has disappeared.
04:03Although, when he was becoming the President,
04:05it was being said that he will revive the Jamaat.
04:08Now, he will go to all the countries,
04:10he will hold rallies,
04:11he will mobilize the workers,
04:13and he will once again raise the flag of his Jamaat in Punjab.
04:17He has disappeared.
04:18Now, obviously, there can be many reasons for that.
04:21We hear all kinds of things.
04:23Maybe he wants his daughter to run.
04:27Some people say that maybe he doesn't want to come forward.
04:31Whatever the reason is, I don't know.
04:32Then what is the need to become the President?
04:34Now, see, this is a big question.
04:35Now, behind this,
04:36if you wanted to become the President…
04:38That was symbolic.
04:39That was symbolic.
04:40That was symbolic.
04:41Even then, I said that
04:42he was rectifying the injustice that had been done to him.
04:44That is all.
04:45But, in my opinion,
04:46if he had become the Prime Minister,
04:47then maybe there would have been vindication.
04:48After becoming the President,
04:49I don't know how much vindication there is.
04:50But, the difference is that politically…
04:53See,
04:54Mr. Mariam is the Chief Minister,
04:56Mr. Shahbaz is the Prime Minister,
04:58Mr. Nawaz Sharif has completely receded in the background.
05:02But, can Mr. Mian's dream be that
05:04both the governments are mine?
05:05What should I do as a politician?
05:06No, not mine.
05:07See,
05:08if nothing else,
05:09Mr. Mian knows politics.
05:10He knows what the ground reality is.
05:12The ground reality is not good for PMLN.
05:15Whoever says it,
05:16they will come on television
05:17and say big things.
05:19Clearly, they know there is a problem.
05:21But, what is the solution to that problem?
05:23How can you make your party an anti-establishment
05:26while being in two governments?
05:29Everywhere, it is said that
05:30if you give the slogan of giving respect to the vote,
05:32you will become popular.
05:33You can't do that.
05:34So, you are caught between the devil
05:36and the deep sea.
05:37Now, what should you do?
05:39Should you leave your position
05:41or should you leave your politics?
05:42That's why I said,
05:43when the daughter is the Chief Minister
05:45and the brother is the Prime Minister,
05:46what can they do?
05:47No, no, no.
05:48The way the government is made…
05:49The way Fahad summed it up,
05:50that the vote…
05:51See, in April 1993,
05:54he came on TV
05:55and said,
05:56I will take no dictation.
05:57The next day,
05:58he was fired by Ghulam Ishaq.
05:59Okay?
06:00That was historic.
06:01And for many people,
06:02including myself,
06:03from that time,
06:04when he started his democratic politics,
06:06he established himself that
06:08whatever time comes,
06:09he will stand on the right side.
06:11He will stand with the Pakistani flag.
06:13Now, for the first time,
06:15he is on the wrong side.
06:16Now, his entire mandate
06:18is in the hands of Imran Khan.
06:20If he gives that slogan,
06:22he will be the B-team of Imran Khan.
06:24He will be seen standing behind Imran Khan.
06:26Obviously, it's not possible for him to do that.