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00:00What the hell happened yesterday?
00:02What the hell happened?
00:03Well, I'll set up Grandy with this.
00:04I had a thing to go do and did I, like...
00:07Dibs picked the Jets.
00:08Okay, Dibs picked the Jets.
00:09Whatever, we're not there yet.
00:10Yeah, so...
00:11That was a bad beat.
00:12No, what happened to the whole part about...
00:13So Grandy, like, grabbed this microphone and started saying that Brock Purdy's better than
00:17Patrick Mahomes.
00:18Is that what happened?
00:19Grandy was great yesterday, first of all.
00:20He's always great.
00:21And I...
00:22Well, except when he stabbed you in the back.
00:23That was awkward.
00:24No, that's...
00:25That's especially great.
00:26He laid out a case, and I hope he lays it out here again for you, because you're a Brockistan.
00:32We know that.
00:33I'm the king of Brockistan.
00:34But the way he does it is so much, I'm going to say it, more professional.
00:39Less snooty?
00:40What do you mean more professional?
00:41Just because it's stats.
00:42It's stats and facts.
00:43Oh, stats.
00:44And you know I love me some numbers.
00:45And as we talked about yesterday, numbers are numbers, unless numbers are my numbers.
00:49Numbers are numbers.
00:50Numbers are numbers.
00:51And numbers are numbers.
00:52And numbers are numbers.
00:53Right.
00:54Unless they're my numbers, those are bigger.
00:55Well, yesterday, Grandy's numbers were numbers, and his numbers showed that Purdy greater
01:01than Mahomes.
01:02Take it away, Mark with a C.
01:03Oh, through six games, there's no contest this year.
01:06Got him!
01:07That's...
01:08I love Lucas in the back.
01:11Got him!
01:12Totally.
01:13Okay.
01:14Brock Purdy has been more of a driving force behind the Niners' success than Patrick Mahomes
01:18has been for the Chiefs' success.
01:20Okay.
01:21Patrick Mahomes is not throwing the ball down the field at all.
01:24He is the lowest average depth of target for starting quarterbacks in the NFL.
01:30Essentially, just how far you throw the ball down the field every time you drop back to
01:33throw.
01:34Lowest in the NFL.
01:35Yet, he somehow has six interceptions to six touchdowns.
01:38Brock Purdy has more touchdowns, has fewer interceptions, is throwing the ball much further
01:43down the field.
01:44In fact, more than any other starting quarterback in the NFL.
01:48He's completing passes at a slightly lower rate, but that's because he's throwing consistently
01:54tougher passes.
01:55Yet, he's thrown fewer interceptions, thrown for more yards, he's ran for more yards.
01:59He has done the challenging better than Patrick Mahomes has done the simple.
02:05The only difference is the Chiefs are 5-0, the Niners are 3-3.
02:09But Brock Purdy has been the better quarterback through six weeks of the NFL season.
02:13Okay.
02:14I feel like I have two nuts to try to crack here at the same time because...
02:17Easy!
02:18No.
02:19Listen.
02:20If you're gonna call your kicker Al McPherson, it's 5 o'clock.
02:23You know what I mean?
02:24We're gonna do whatever the hell we want.
02:25I missed the 5 o'clock part.
02:26Go ahead.
02:27So, first of all, your quip that Mark is making my point but doing it much more professional,
02:36where's the part about the fact that everything he just said, everything he just said, was
02:42true all of last year too?
02:44All of it.
02:45Go look it up.
02:47All of it.
02:48Numbers are numbers and the numbers have been the numbers.
02:51Right.
02:52And to be fair, what I did say yesterday, and Dave, you can back me up, I said it's
02:56been the case for a year and a half except for the postseason and the Super Bowl.
03:00And Christmas, but yeah.
03:02But I don't even remember, what were Patrick's numbers in the playoffs?
03:06It wasn't that great.
03:07Brock Purdy wasn't as good in the postseason.
03:10And Patrick didn't.
03:11I mean, but again, I can just feel where some people's brains would go when you go, all
03:19of these things are true except for their record.
03:22I mean, you and I have had this semantics conversation already.
03:27I'm apparently not allowed to say that the 49ers should be 5-1.
03:31You can.
03:32Because the only thing that matters is their record.
03:34And if the only thing that matters is their record, then why are we popping around with
03:39DVOA and QBR and TD to INT ratio?
03:44It's because we're too married to the idea that the quarterback has a record.
03:48The team has a record.
03:49I agree.
03:50Mahomes has not been as good as Purdy, but Mahomes' team has been better than Purdy's team.
03:55And part of a team is not gacking away games when you should win.
04:00And those weren't Purdy mistakes.
04:02I'm thinking about the loss to the Rams.
04:05And I don't believe he made any of those mistakes.
04:07And I'm thinking about the loss to Arizona.
04:10And yeah, he threw a late pick and he should have gotten rid of the ball when he was blitzed
04:14from his front side.
04:16That was a mistake.
04:18But the game was mostly already lost before that.
04:21But you can put that partly on Brock Purdy.
04:24But I do think that all of us, fans, commentators, and the rest of it, we get too married to
04:31quarterback record being the end all be all.
04:33I agree completely.
04:34I agree 100%.
04:36Kansas City, as a team, has not been necessarily better, but they've won five games.
04:43And part of that is being better where you need to be better.
04:47Yeah, I do think they've been better.
04:49I think they've been better because they've been cleaner.
04:51They've been cleaner.
04:53Slareth said it to us a couple hours ago.
04:55When a play needs to be made, the Chiefs have made it.
04:58When a play needs to be made for the 49ers this year, they have very often not made it.
05:02You know what I mean?
05:03Yep.
05:04Renardo Green in Seattle the other night finally did.
05:06But it's like, you know, that whole thing we've done with the Rams and Cardinals losses
05:11of the seven-pick parlay where it's like, dude, you guys had seven chances to make one
05:15play, and nobody did.
05:17The Chiefs very often this year, you get one chance to make a play, and they do.
05:21They make it.
05:22Yeah.
05:23So that's why they're 5-0.
05:25And that, to me, that is better because they're cleaner.
05:28They've made fewer mistakes.
05:31Their defense has absolutely been better than the 49ers' defense.
05:35That's not even close.
05:37But sure, if you want to get into the quarterback, you love to bring up PFF.
05:42That's PFF's number one quarterback right now.
05:44And you know where Mahomes is?
05:45Oh, God.
05:46I bet he's probably at least halfway down the board.
05:48He's 10th.
05:49Okay.
05:50He's number 10 right now.
05:51And yeah, Purdy is 88.2, slightly ahead of Derek Carr.
05:56And then it's Burrow, Lamar, Jaden, CJ, Maker, Bayfield in the MVP conversation.
06:03And then you get to Calamari and Geno and then Patrick Mahomes.
06:06Kyler Murray is ahead of Patrick Mahomes?
06:08Yeah.
06:09And again, it's, you know, his running numbers are pretty good.
06:14And that's where it's interesting in PFF land.
06:17Patrick Mahomes is number three among quarterbacks in the run game.
06:22Josh Allen's one.
06:23Tua, who's been out for a long time, is two.
06:25So really, Mahomes would be number two.
06:28Brock Purdy's not too far down.
06:30He's eighth in runs as a quarterback.
06:33Can I ask, Randy?
06:35So what's the endgame of the – if I accept the premise, what's the endgame?
06:42Or is that the endgame?
06:43You were just saying that basically Brock Purdy has been better than Patrick Mahomes
06:47largely for a year and a half?
06:49Or are you in some way insinuating that, like, if given the opportunity,
06:53you would take Brock Purdy over Patrick Mahomes if you were starting a football team?
06:57No, I'm not sure I'd do that.
06:59Actually, I guarantee I would not do that.
07:01Okay.
07:02But I think it just speaks to a larger point that there have been other reasons
07:06why the 49ers have been losing games.
07:08And it has absolutely nothing to do with Brock Purdy.
07:12Sometimes.
07:13I mean, this also goes back to often ways that people try to attack Brock Purdy
07:19and argue that he's not a very good quarterback.
07:21A lot of those arguments do not fit Brock Purdy.
07:25In fact, he's on the opposite end of the spectrum,
07:27and everything that you're saying about Brock is actually true about Patrick Mahomes of late.
07:33Okay.
07:34He doesn't push the ball down the field.
07:36The majority of his yards come after the catch.
07:38It's the opposite for Brock Purdy, but it's all 100% true for Mahomes.
07:41You know who it's even more true about, what you're saying right now,
07:44is the guy we watched last night.
07:46It's Josh Allen.
07:47Right.
07:48I don't know.
07:49I mean, thank God Amari Cooper's going there.
07:50Maybe Josh Allen will actually throw the ball more than two yards in front of him
07:54for the first time all year.
07:55The only time he did it was when he improvised and rolled out
07:58and hit Ray Davis down the middle of the field with what turned out to be, I guess,
08:02his longest completion to a running back in his career is a stat that I heard.
08:08But watch the Buffalo Bills play football.
08:11Everything is right at the line of scrimmage.
08:14Interesting you say that because the numbers would indicate intended air yards per attempt.
08:20He's fourth.
08:21Who?
08:22Josh?
08:23Josh Allen.
08:24Okay.
08:25Completed air yards per completion.
08:26He's all the way down at 17.
08:27Okay.
08:28So maybe that's what I'm feeling.
08:29Right.
08:30So they do, and I think that they'll throw it deep.
08:32They won't complete it.
08:33They'll huck it over everybody's head, yeah.
08:35The majority of it is dink and dunk and shorter throws that they're completing.
08:39And also Josh Allen as a runner has become one of the biggest threats in their offense.
08:43For sure.
08:44For sure.
08:45And everybody in the building who was thinking straight knew exactly
08:47that that's what he was going to do last night, and they still couldn't stop it.
08:50Yep.
08:51And he ended the game because of it.
08:52All right.
08:53A couple things.
08:54Baldy weighed in on this this morning on the morning roast.
08:57We'll play that for you in a second.
08:58Then we'll take some calls.
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09:15Here's what Baldy said with regard to Brock and Mahomes' name comes up.
09:20When I was watching it the other day, Friday morning after the game,
09:23I thought he was very, very much like Mahomes.
09:27They both are very talented at extending plays, creating plays,
09:32creating offense, or just simply being able to buy time to throw the ball away.
09:36And so I think they both have that instinct.
09:38They both, if you probably put them in a 40-yard dash,
09:41they'd probably run about the same.
09:43They're probably both about 4'8", but they play faster than what that says
09:47just because of their angles, their ability to just hesitate, start, stop,
09:51change direction.
09:52Like, he's extremely talented.
09:54I thought it was a big part.
09:55That game was 23-17.
09:57You thought, you know, this could be very reminiscent of Arizona.
10:00They're letting them hang around.
10:01They're one play away from, you know, just the way Arizona scored one.
10:05And then, you know, I thought they made the necessary plays at the end.
10:08But I thought throughout the game, his ability, whether it's just to elude
10:12somebody inside a phone booth, get outside the pocket,
10:15double back and do the things that Mahomes does.
10:17If I put them side by side and you took the names off the back of the jersey,
10:21they're pretty close to each other.
10:24Yeah, same guy.
10:26Birdie and Mahomes.
10:28Honestly, if you took away the records in the rings
10:31and you just watched them play and you didn't know who was Mr. Irrelevant
10:35and who got traded up to be taken and who has three Super Bowls
10:38and who has none, they do play in many ways similarly.
10:42And I was noticing it earlier today how these offenses are similar,
10:46especially now when Kansas City doesn't have a great wide receiver core.
10:51What they're doing now for me, and we'll get Greg Cosell's thoughts on Thursday
10:55and he'll riddle me with verbal bullets and how wrong I am,
10:58but I see similar schemes, a lot of pre-snap motion and play action
11:03and a lot of use for the tight end in the middle of the field.
11:06Mahomes isn't stepping back and slinging it very often.
11:10I saw three times against New Orleans where it was Max Protect
11:14and Xavier Worthy, fastest guy in football.
11:17You run fast and I'll throw it as far as I can.
11:20And let's see if that works.
11:22And it didn't, but that is one thing that scares me about Sunday
11:25because they're going to try that at least a couple of two, three times
11:29and I wonder if the Niners, who Baldy has called slow,
11:32I wonder if they're going to be able to take away Xavier Worthy
11:35and his 4-2 speed.
11:37Also earlier today on 95-7 the game, not PFF but PFT,
11:42pro football talk and Mike Florio was asked if Brock Purdy looks
11:46the part of a $60 million quarterback.
11:49He is a guy who does what needs to be done within the confines
11:53of the Shanahan offense, plus he sprinkles in enough mobility
11:56to give you something when there's nothing there.
11:59It's not a lot of flash, there's not a lot of panache,
12:03but he just gets it done.
12:05It's very meat and potatoes, but it's a good meal of meat and potatoes
12:08that he's serving up.
12:10Now, does that mean it gets him to $60 million a year?
12:12I don't know, but he clearly earned a second contract
12:16and they'll replace the final year of his current one, most likely,
12:20after this season with something.
12:22It just depends upon what that high-end number is.
12:24It depends upon how much he wants.
12:26Okay, I wonder, for instance, Grandy, since you brought this up,
12:31to me, all I can do is tell you what I feel when I hear something like that.
12:37When I hear that, that's an example of maybe what Grandy is talking about,
12:45where whatever happens on the field, and it's funny that we love Brock
12:50for his processing.
12:52I think there's a problem in America right now with processing
12:56what you see Brock Purdy do.
12:58There's completely a problem with what you're seeing.
13:01He's not seeing splash and panache.
13:03Then you're not watching the game.
13:05Thank you, Mark.
13:06I don't know.
13:08You could look at almost any quarterback in the NFL right now
13:14almost any of them, and you could say,
13:18well, Brock does the twirly and run all over like more than anybody.
13:22More than anybody.
13:24Is that splash?
13:25He has made more improvisational plays, I would argue,
13:28than any quarterback I've watched this year.
13:31All of them.
13:33But, Grandy, to your point, and this is why I wanted to circle back
13:36to you guys on it today.
13:38I don't think Brock Purdy is Patrick Mahomes.
13:41Life doesn't work that way.
13:43You have to earn that.
13:45That man's got a trophy case full of rings.
13:48So you have to earn that.
13:49That's fine.
13:51I don't care about his stats and numbers and numbers and numbers.
13:55What I care about is a lot of people, when they're looking at Brock Purdy,
14:00sound to me like the officials when they come out of the review booth
14:03in Seattle.
14:05I'm like, I'm sorry, did you not see that?
14:08They didn't see it.
14:09You didn't see it.
14:10They didn't see it in New York, Mark.
14:12They didn't have that angle.
14:13That's what, to me, a lot of people feel like.
14:17That's what it feels like.
14:18It feels like you got a review wrong that all of us can see.
14:22And I do also think that a lot of this comes down to where you started
14:27and how dug in you are.
14:29And I know if I say the name, you're going to cringe because I've said it
14:33many times and he's somebody who has him.
14:35I think he has Brock Purdy ranked number 14.
14:38Oh, don't do it.
14:39That's a big joke.
14:40Stephen Ruiz and the Ringer.
14:41It's not a joke.
14:42It has to be.
14:43And you listen to Mike Florio, who knows far more than Stephen Ruiz
14:46and the Ringer ever will know.
14:48But Mike Florio is dug in.
14:50And he works with Chris Sims, who's also been slow to warm to the reality.
14:55Although starting to.
14:56More than Mike.
14:57You have to.
14:58Because Mike talks about a lack of splash and panache.
15:01For me, splash is the big play.
15:05And as granny was saying, he leads football in intended air yards.
15:09Those are splashy plays.
15:11And when you run around and scramble and then run around and scramble again
15:14and run around and scramble again, and then you make a good throw down
15:17the field or you run for 13 yards in the first down.
15:20That's both splash and panache.
15:22And how much panache do you need a guy to have?
15:25Does going to the Super Bowl in your first full year as a starter,
15:28does that count as panache?
15:30Or I just don't know what we're looking at.
15:33What we're looking at.
15:34And no, no, no.
15:35Yes, you do.
15:36I don't know what we're hearing.
15:37They don't aren't looking.
15:38Honestly, it's for me at times the offense.
15:41It's almost a little too splashy.
15:44Stop.
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