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00:00I don't know.
00:01Why have you been ripping buster posy all day?
00:04What's the matter with you?
00:05There you go.
00:06All right.
00:07Let's go to the river Island.
00:08Let's see.
00:09I'm running out of catchers who manage Ryan Vogel's song is with us on the show and excited
00:13to have him.
00:14Hey Vogue, what's up?
00:15What's going on guys.
00:16Hey, I gotta apologize.
00:17I thought this interview was supposed to be for tomorrow night.
00:18I was at writer's baseball practice, so I have to apologize for being not where I was
00:27supposed to be when I was supposed to be there.
00:29You're such a gem, like it's all good,
00:32and the fact that you called in anyway when you could
00:35is great, and how did baseball practice go?
00:39Yeah, we're getting there, man.
00:40We're gonna be all right.
00:42Slowly but surely, it's process, right?
00:45Does your team need a meal?
00:48Yeah, dibs.
00:50Vogue, I don't know why these people are so down on me.
00:52You know what, Vogue, I'll say it.
00:54Buster Posey, he's overrated there.
00:57Are you happy?
00:58Oh, jeez.
01:00All right, I'm probably not gonna finish the interview now.
01:04No, Vogue, I'm not pessimistic.
01:06I'm actually excited about this, the turning of the page.
01:10My only thing is we don't really know
01:13if he's gonna be great.
01:14We hope he's gonna be great.
01:16We think he's gonna be great.
01:17I'm just, I'm gonna wait and see a little bit.
01:19Vogue, that's all.
01:21Hey, hey, my question is,
01:23what hasn't he not been great at so far?
01:25More about that, dibbers.
01:27Hitting left-handed.
01:29You actually don't know that.
01:31Maybe he is.
01:32Have we ever seen him?
01:33I'm sure if you tried, he's probably great at it.
01:34He's probably great at it.
01:36He's been great at everything,
01:37and he is a forever giant.
01:40We were talking about this yesterday.
01:41He's on the Rushmore of favorite giants and great giants,
01:44and so, yeah, there's no way anybody could be pessimistic.
01:48I'm super stoked, but what do you think is gonna be
01:51the one thing that he's gonna be just super great at?
01:55Man, listen, obviously, I've known him
01:58for quite a while now,
02:00and have a really good relationship with him
02:05off the field as well as we had on.
02:08He's just a solid person,
02:11and he's just talented, and he's smart.
02:14I think he's gonna, I think he's one of those guys
02:17that he is gonna excel at anything
02:19that he puts his toe in the water with.
02:22And I think this is a great position for him to be in.
02:26I think it, listen, it's gonna come with its challenges.
02:30It's going to, but I think he's gonna crush it.
02:34Like, if something's tough for him,
02:36he's gonna figure out how to get it done.
02:39I mean, it's what he's done his whole life,
02:41so I'm not saying this is gonna be smooth sailing
02:44all the way through.
02:45Listen, hopefully it is.
02:47Hopefully the transition is great,
02:48and he nails it, and he's gonna be great.
02:51He nails it, and hits the ground running,
02:53but there's gonna be some bumps in the road
02:55just like there is with anything in life.
02:57But I think he's gonna, from his playing days,
03:00and raising a family, he gets it.
03:04Sometimes there's a wall in front of you,
03:06you figure out how to go through it,
03:07or around it, or over it.
03:09So I think that he's gonna crush it
03:11like he does everything else.
03:13Ryan, have you talked to him?
03:15And if so, how did that go?
03:19Yeah, I talked to him last night for about 30 minutes,
03:22and I just wanted him to hear me say congratulations
03:27in person, on the phone, and not through a text message.
03:31And I told him that.
03:32I said, hey, I could've texted you,
03:33but I'm not a big fan of text messaging,
03:36because the emotion doesn't come through.
03:38So I just told him, I said, hey,
03:40I wanted you to hear my voice,
03:41and how happy I am for you, and excited.
03:43You know, we talked a little bit,
03:44and talked about some stuff that's in front of him.
03:49Talked about some things in the system right now
03:52that I saw when traveling around
03:54the minor league this year.
03:57We had a great conversation.
03:58We talked about our kids, we talked about our wives.
04:01It was a very friend-related conversation,
04:05and a little bit of work.
04:06Okay, and in that little bit of work part,
04:08did we discuss an expanded role for Ryan Vogelsang?
04:13We did not, we did not.
04:15I just told him that I've always had his back,
04:19I will always have his back,
04:21and that I am on his call anytime he needs me,
04:27anytime of day, anytime, anywhere,
04:29when he needs questions, or just needs a talk,
04:31or a vent, or whatever, that I'm here for him,
04:35and got his back in every aspect.
04:38When you look at the job that he's going to undertake,
04:41and a lot of it comes from the farm, obviously,
04:44he's trying to get the youngsters to be built up,
04:46to be major leaguers.
04:47How big is the task ahead to try to restore the farm system
04:52to be one of the top ones in baseball?
04:57Yeah, listen, it's gonna take some work,
04:59and we talked about that.
05:00There's some work involved here.
05:03We need to get better at some things,
05:06and he understands that,
05:07and we talked about that last night.
05:10It's not out of the realm
05:12that it could come very quickly,
05:14but we got some work to do,
05:18and I think that the leader that I know he is,
05:24he is gonna make the transition,
05:26and that go exceedingly quick,
05:30because he's gonna lead,
05:32and he's gonna demand what he wants Giants and baseball to,
05:37he knows it's supposed to look like,
05:39and what he feels it's supposed to look like,
05:41and what he knows it's supposed to look like.
05:44So that's why I'm very confident
05:46that he's gonna be really good at this,
05:48because he knows what he wants his product to be.
05:51Ryan Vogelsang is with us here
05:53on Willard and Dibs, 95-7 the game.
05:56So, Vogie, this is interesting
05:57when you're talking about traveling around
05:59and seeing things within the organization,
06:01and then talking that out with Buster last night.
06:03I wonder if you could expand on that a little bit
06:06for our audience.
06:07What do you see that needs to change?
06:12What are some of those challenges?
06:16You know, I think first and foremost,
06:19like we just, as an organization,
06:22I think we just have to get back
06:23to being a little bit more fundamentally sound,
06:26and just be a little bit more detail-oriented
06:31in the small things.
06:34I think sometimes, and it's not just us,
06:36this is everybody, and I deal with this
06:38when I'm coaching my son's kids, too.
06:41Like, we want everything super fast,
06:43and we see the big picture
06:44and lose sight of the small things sometimes, right?
06:47So I think we just gotta refocus
06:49on executing some of the small fundamental things
06:53a little bit better.
06:55And when you can do that,
06:56the big things come into play.
06:59So I think that's the number one thing.
07:01I do like what I saw from our pitchers
07:04this summer traveling around.
07:06I feel like we're really starting to understand
07:11the importance of pitching again and not throwing,
07:14and executing pitches, and changing speeds,
07:17and understanding what swings look like,
07:20and not just trying to throw the ball
07:21as hard as we can all the time,
07:23and throw the nastiest slider we can all the time.
07:26So I really like the direction
07:28that our pitching's going in on the minor league level.
07:31And yeah, you put those things together,
07:34and it starts sounding
07:35like championship baseball, right?
07:37Is that something that's organizational
07:39in terms of philosophy?
07:41Not only the kind of pitcher
07:43you wanna bring into the organization,
07:45but also how to pitch?
07:47Is that something that will be
07:48underneath Buster Posey's purview
07:50and something that will matriculate
07:52all the way down to the lowest levels?
07:56I can't tell you what he is gonna have his grasp on
08:01because he did not get into that.
08:03But I do know that Buster is,
08:05like I said, he's super smart,
08:06and I do know that Buster knows
08:08he's gonna have to surround himself with some people.
08:11And I'm sure if that's something
08:12that he feels like he needs to delegate a little bit,
08:16then he will.
08:18But to your first question,
08:22I will say that when we were in
08:26the previous coaching staff
08:30and some of the pitching direction we had then,
08:33it was much different than it is now.
08:35It was more velocity-based spin rates,
08:41throwing your best pitch as many times as you could.
08:44And I think we lost some of the pitchability.
08:48And when Bo Mel and Brian came in,
08:51it was one thing that they preached to a lot
08:54to us in spring training
08:55and to the guys about pitchability again
08:59and being able to read swings
09:00and making adjustments on your own
09:02without staring at the iPad.
09:04And that doesn't mean that the iPad is not valuable
09:07and doesn't have great information,
09:09but you don't have an iPad when you're pitching in the game
09:12on the mound with you.
09:13So there is some experience and lessons learned
09:17in being able to see what a pitcher's doing with your eyes
09:20and not have to look at an iPad all the time.
09:23So that's where the transition
09:26from the pitching philosophy did change a little bit
09:29because the prior regime, that was their philosophy.
09:33So, and listen, that's the one thing I've always said,
09:36if you have a philosophy and you believe in it,
09:39you have to go to battle with what you believe in
09:41because if it doesn't work out,
09:42you have to look at yourself in the mirror and say,
09:45I did it the way I thought it was right.
09:47So if it doesn't work, you can be okay with yourself, right?
09:51So the new regime comes in
09:53and pitching philosophy has gone back a little bit
09:57and not getting away from what everyone else is doing,
10:00but like I said, more pitchability,
10:02more understanding swings, more executing pitches,
10:08more being a pitcher that can read
10:10what he sees with his eyes
10:11and not have to look at the data all the time.
10:15Ryan Vogelsang with us on 95.7 The Game.
10:18Vogue, what does this announcement yesterday
10:22do for the morale of the entire organization?
10:29I think it should shoot it through the roof, to be honest,
10:34but my relationship with Buster is different than most.
10:39I mean, there's probably 50 or so people
10:42that he was in that locker room with
10:44that maybe less that had fallen a little bit differently
10:48than the rest of the people.
10:50So I'm probably have a little bit more excitement
10:54and some of our former teammates
10:56probably have a little bit more excitement
10:58because we know the quality that we're gonna see again.
11:03But I think if you're just a normal fan
11:05and you're a Giants fan,
11:06I think you should be super excited
11:08that he wants to make this thing good, right?
11:13He's not just sitting on the sideline,
11:16not doing anything about it.
11:18He cares about the Giants.
11:20He's a Giant.
11:22He loves the Giants organization
11:23and he wants to see the Giants
11:26get back to where this organization should be.
11:30And I think that should make everyone extremely happy.
11:33And I think people are excited about the idea
11:36of more of you guys coming back around
11:38and getting at that feel that we had 10 years ago
11:42when you won the last World Series.
11:43And I'm also hoping that it becomes more of a balance
11:47between analytics and the old school humanity of baseball.
11:51Do you think that Buster will lean more
11:54toward the old school approach
11:56as opposed to the previous regime
11:58and the new school analytics approach?
12:01Well, I'll tell you this.
12:03Bob Melvin and his staff have done a tremendous job
12:06in both of those aspects.
12:09He has been very, very good and very open
12:13about former players coming back
12:15and being in the clubhouse,
12:17being on the field before the game,
12:19coming to spring training.
12:20And not just guys like myself
12:22that obviously have a role in the organization.
12:25He loves it when guys that played for the Giants
12:28come back and want to be on the field for batting practice
12:31and talk to guys.
12:32He has told me all the time, many times,
12:34like, I want you here as much as you can be.
12:36And I know he's reiterated that to a lot of guys.
12:41So that is already in play.
12:44And the second part of the question
12:46is that aspect is already in play as well.
12:49And Bo Mel has preached this too,
12:52like we can't get one-sided in this game.
12:55We can't be all baseball and we can't be all analytical.
12:58We have to mesh the two together
13:00and be the best we can be at both sides of it.
13:03So to answer your question,
13:05I think Buster probably without putting words in his mouth,
13:10just the little conversations we had,
13:13he believes in all of that.
13:15And it's already being put in place by Bo Mel and his staff.
13:18So we're already heading in the right track.
13:21But I do know this, Buster Posey wants baseball players.
13:25He wants guys that want to get on the field
13:27and get after it.
13:27And I think you can see why Matt Chapman
13:31got signed to the long-term extension
13:33because that's what Matt Chapman is.
13:35And I know Buster loves baseball players like that.
13:38So to answer your question,
13:40I think he's going to try and mesh the two together
13:42as best we can, sorry, as I say we,
13:45the best he can to put the guys on the field
13:49that are gonna play baseball
13:51and execute what he believes is Giants baseball.
13:54Vogue, this is not obviously your role,
13:56but I would love your input.
13:59Like you're in the process, the team is,
14:02is in the process of building and making changes.
14:06There are some obvious holes on the field,
14:09whether it's shortstop, maybe one outfield spot, we'll see.
14:13But in a general sense,
14:16what do you think is the right way
14:18for this particular group
14:20to sort of build whatever it needs to build?
14:23Free agency, trade, farm system, what's the priority?
14:29Oh man, you're throwing some tuppies at me tonight, boys.
14:33Hey man.
14:35I just got done with like 14, 15 year olds at practice.
14:39I wasn't really prepared for these tough questions,
14:41but hey, I'll take it.
14:43We had an hour to think of some really hard ones
14:46to come at you.
14:47That's a great counterpoint right there.
14:49And hey, and because I didn't call on time,
14:52I'm absolutely okay with it, so.
14:57Listen, I wish I had the perfect answer for you on that,
15:02and I'm not sure I do,
15:04because I myself don't know what the best way to do it is.
15:10I think we have to be excited about
15:13what productivity we did get
15:16from some of our younger guys this year.
15:18I think that we have to be excited about that.
15:22I think that we have to be excited
15:24that we have Matt Chapman in an extension,
15:26and we have a leader in the clubhouse, in the field,
15:29and the way he plays on the field
15:31is a direct, exactly what we want to see players play like.
15:36And he is a great example for the young guys.
15:41As far as through trades and free agency,
15:44I think you have, just like the analytics in baseball,
15:47like I think you have to mesh all these together.
15:49I don't think you can say,
15:50we're throwing all of our eggs in one basket,
15:52and this is the direction we're gonna go.
15:55I think there has to be a blend.
15:57You have to do some,
15:59you have to do a little bit in free agency.
16:01You probably have to try and do some trades.
16:04And we gotta continue to have our farm system
16:06produce players at the major league level.
16:10I think that's the most truthful answer I can give you.
16:14That's a fair one.
16:16Absolutely.
16:17Bogie, before you go,
16:19especially as someone who's through to him,
16:21we're talking so much about Buster Posey and leadership.
16:25Can you give us a moment that's just like a memory of yours
16:27or a moment that he helped you,
16:30Buster the leader,
16:31is there something that pops in your mind
16:33when you think back to that
16:34in your playing days together?
16:38Yeah, I mean, there's a couple and I'll make them quick
16:41because I don't know how much time we have.
16:42But the first one is,
16:44a lot of people ask me this all the time.
16:46What did y'all talk about when he came to the Mount?
16:49And people think that we would tell a joke or whatever.
16:54Well, you guys know, watch me pitch.
16:56I wasn't to come out and tell me a joke, right?
17:00I think some guys, he might've come out there
17:02and tried to make them laugh to relax a little bit,
17:04but he obviously knew that that wasn't my thing.
17:07And so for me, a lot of the times he would come out
17:09and he was just like, hey,
17:11we're gonna slow the game down.
17:14You're gonna walk around.
17:15I'm gonna walk back as slow as I can.
17:18You're gonna take a lap around behind the Mount,
17:20get yourself re-locked in
17:22and we're just gonna slow everything down.
17:24And once you get going, we'll start speeding back up.
17:27So he was just very good about knowing every guy
17:31and what made those guys tick
17:33when stuff started hitting the fan.
17:36So, and then the other one was,
17:39we were playing the Twins in interleague in 2014,
17:442014 interleague against the Twins.
17:47And he was banged up, bad hamstring, bad back.
17:52I think his knee was barking a little bit
17:54cause he took a foul tip.
17:56And he, you know,
17:57obviously I never talked to guys before the game.
18:00And once I went on the field,
18:02no one definitely talked to me.
18:03He didn't even talk to me once I got on the field.
18:06Rags and Gardy didn't even talk to me
18:08once I went out to warm up.
18:10So I'm down in the left field corner stretching
18:12and he came walking out there
18:13and he kept walking towards me.
18:15I'm like, what's going on?
18:17Something's up tonight.
18:18Cause he never does this.
18:20So he came over to me, he goes,
18:21he goes, hey, I know you don't want to talk to me,
18:23but I have to tell you something.
18:24And I go, what's up?
18:26And he's like, I feel really bad.
18:29I've been in the training room for the last 48 hours,
18:32just trying to get myself ready to play this game tonight.
18:35And he goes, I have not had a chance
18:37to look at these hitters at all.
18:39And he's like, but the only reason I did that
18:41is cause I know that you prepare so well.
18:44So I could get myself ready to play tonight
18:46cause I know that you've taken care of what you need to do.
18:49And he goes, just tell me what you got.
18:52So in about as fast as I could, in two and a half minutes,
18:55I went through the entire lineup,
18:57told him exactly what I wanted to do to every single guy.
19:01And I said, hey, if they pinch hit for somebody,
19:03just call timeout and come out
19:04and I'll tell you what we're going to do to them.
19:07Guys, he didn't miss,
19:08I didn't shake him off the entire night.
19:11And I threw seven shutout innings that night
19:13and I didn't shake my head one time.
19:15He didn't miss one pitch for seven innings.
19:18Man.
19:19So that just tells you what kind of baseball intelligence
19:22we're working with and why that should also make us excited.
19:28Cause he's just, he's smart to begin with,
19:30but he is baseball smart.
19:33He is person smart, he's relationship smart.
19:35Like he just has all the factors, guys,
19:38that should make everyone extremely excited
19:42that this thing is going to go really well.
19:45So that's my little, how cool Buster Posey is moment.
19:50That's a pretty cool story.
19:51You're worth the wait, Ryan.
19:56Oh, well, I appreciate that.
19:57And then once again, I'm going to apologize.
19:59No.
20:00I've gotten a lot of requests to talk about Buster
20:03over the last 24 hours and I read the text
20:06and I thought it said for tomorrow.
20:09So once again, I'm going to apologize
20:10and I'm just glad that it worked out
20:12that I could get on tonight with y'all.
20:14You are all good and you are welcome anytime.
20:17And we thank you so much for doing it.
20:21No problem.
20:22Always a pleasure, boys.
20:23Always a pleasure.
20:24Yep, I hope we do it again soon.
20:25All right, thanks so much.
20:28You got it.