Exclusive Interview of Dr. Zakir Naik & Molana Tariq Jamil | Hafiz Ahmed Podcast
Exclusive Interview of Dr. Zakir Naik & Molana Tariq Jamil | Hafiz Ahmed Podcast
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00:00The time has come, but no one has come like him, and when he came, the time was unsuccessful in bringing another one like him.
00:27My wish was to come to Pakistan and meet Maulana Tariq Jameel Sahib in his house.
00:34Alhamdulillah, Maulana Tariq Jameel Sahib's love for people, and I see that he often takes the first step to meet people so that love is born.
00:47I like this very much.
00:49Doctor, if India calls you back after finishing all your affairs, will you go back?
00:53What is your intention? Or will you stay in migration?
00:56No, if India gives me an opportunity to give a Dawah, then it is a battlefield.
01:01Yes, I will have to go.
01:03But I will continue my work in the Dawah field in Malaysia.
01:10I will go to India and give Dawah. I will come back every year, once, twice, three times.
01:15You miss it. You can get in touch with non-Muslims in such a large number.
01:20If you see, non-Muslims love Muslims and me too.
01:23There are some stunted politicians who spread hatred for their own interests.
01:28MashaAllah, you are wearing a pant coat and tie. What is the secret of serving the religion?
01:34Some people have a misunderstanding that wearing a tie is a sign of not being a Muslim.
01:39The most important thing is that if you follow someone else, it is not wrong. You can do it.
01:47So I say, if you have done research and you know that it is better to do Rafat, then you should do it.
01:52But don't blame others.
01:53When I give Dawah, non-Muslims in America see that I am wearing a suit, boot and tie.
01:59They think I am a joker.
02:00Doctor, we apologize to you that you have to come here and give an explanation on the stage in Pakistan.
02:05You have given an explanation to 1.1 billion Muslims, here you are giving an explanation in your own faith.
02:11Peace be upon you.
02:12Today, we have met two great personalities of the Islamic world.
02:16So I want to take their impressions as this is a very good opportunity.
02:20We have met them before in Mecca.
02:21We have met them for two and a half hours.
02:23So first of all, as the host is Maulana Tariq Jameel,
02:26we will ask Maulana what are his impressions, what are his feelings.
02:29Doctor, please come to his house.
02:31In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
02:35Impressions and feelings, in front of them, words are always difficult.
02:45The scope of words is small and there is no limit to the feelings.
02:55So what I am feeling for Maulana Sahib right now, I have no words for it.
03:03This is my feeling.
03:08Doctor, what would you like to say?
03:10You have come to Maulana Sahib, Mashallah.
03:12Mashallah.
03:13What are your impressions of meeting Maulana Sahib?
03:15As I said, my wish was to come to Pakistan and meet Maulana Tariq Jameel Sahib in his house.
03:22Alhamdulillah, Maulana Tariq Jameel Sahib's love for people,
03:26and I see that he himself takes the first step to meet people, so that love is born.
03:36I like this very much about him.
03:38He does not say that I should not go.
03:40Whenever we meet in Mecca, he wants to meet me.
03:44I say, I will come to your house.
03:46We had an argument.
03:48I say, I will come.
03:50He says, you are elder, I am younger.
03:52He says, I will come.
03:54So we met, Alhamdulillah.
03:56Here too, Mashallah, after coming to Pakistan, and especially in Lahore,
04:02Alhamdulillah, we went to the centre.
04:04Mashallah.
04:06And Mashallah, we met people.
04:08Maulana Tariq Jameel Sahib was also there, Mashallah.
04:10So this love that should be between people,
04:13he likes to hold on to small disagreements, Mashallah.
04:20Doctor, I have a question for both of you.
04:22The question is the same, the answer is the same.
04:24Our Ummah is divided into sects.
04:26And there is no other way to live in this.
04:28Only you both, Mashallah, who talk about love,
04:32how can we spread it further?
04:34Even now in our country, you know, people spread rumors.
04:36He is abusing her, she is abusing him.
04:38How do you both insist on this?
04:40First, Doctor, you tell us, how do you insist on this?
04:42Then I will take the answer from Maulana.
04:44I have only one answer for both of you.
04:46If we come to the Quran and Hadith,
04:50then the spread will end.
04:53If we move away from this,
04:56then the spread will continue.
04:59Anything else?
05:01Absolutely right.
05:16And Doctor, we apologize to you
05:18that you have to come here and give explanations
05:20on the stage in Pakistan.
05:22You have made 1.1 billion people Muslims,
05:24and here you are giving explanations
05:26with your own faith on the stage.
05:28This is my brother, this is what he means.
05:30We apologize on behalf of the whole nation
05:32that most of the people are going to love you.
05:34There are only a few people who have done this.
05:36I am very happy.
05:38Look,
05:50Allah said,
05:52No matter how many enemies there are,
05:54humans and Jinn,
05:58whoever does good,
06:00being selfless,
06:04he has to face opposition.
06:08This is a natural thing.
06:12Once I said to my cousin,
06:16the whole world listens to me,
06:18but my relatives do not listen to me.
06:20Instead, they oppose me.
06:22He said,
06:24this is a sign that you are right.
06:26I said,
06:28how?
06:30The relatives of the Prophet of Allah
06:32did not listen to him.
06:34The people of Medina listened,
06:36but the relatives did not listen.
06:38I was very happy with what he said.
06:42Whoever does good,
06:44Satan will put obstacles for him.
06:48Doctor,
06:50if India
06:52calls you back,
06:54will you go back?
06:56Or will you stay in Hijrat?
06:58If India gives me an opportunity
07:00to give Dawah,
07:02it is a battlefield.
07:04I will have to go.
07:06But I will continue
07:08my work in Dawah
07:10in Malaysia.
07:12I will go to India and give Dawah.
07:14I will come back once a year,
07:16but you miss it.
07:18You can meet so many non-Muslims.
07:22Non-Muslims love Muslims.
07:24They love me too.
07:26There are some politicians
07:28who spread hatred for their seats.
07:32I think,
07:34common Hindus and common Muslims
07:36have a lot of brotherhood.
07:38Can you tell us about clothes?
07:40What is the secret of your
07:42service to religion
07:44and what do people
07:46expect from you?
07:48If you do any work,
07:50it should not be against the body.
07:52There are six categories
07:54in our body.
07:56There is an extent
07:58for men
08:00to wear clothes.
08:02Second, clothes should not be tight.
08:04Third,
08:06clothes should not be thin.
08:08Fourth, clothes should not be full.
08:10Fifth,
08:12clothes should not be of any other type.
08:14Sixth, clothes should not be of any other religion.
08:16Some people
08:18have a misunderstanding
08:20that wearing a tie is a sign of Salib.
08:22This is a misunderstanding.
08:24You can read anywhere
08:26where Salib is not written.
08:28If you read the Encyclopaedia of Bhitkananda,
08:30he used to say,
08:32to keep the clothes tight in the cold,
08:34he used to tie a knot.
08:36There is no argument in this,
08:38but there is a misunderstanding.
08:40Normally, I do not like
08:42to wear a suit or a coat.
08:44But
08:46if you do not like something,
08:48you are doing it for Allah.
08:50So that when I give a Dawah,
08:52when non-Muslims see
08:54a suit or a tie,
08:56they think it is a joker.
08:58And then he quotes the Bible,
09:00Hindu scriptures.
09:02This opens the door.
09:04And whenever I give a lecture,
09:06I wear a suit or a pant.
09:08If you see me,
09:10I wear a kurta.
09:12So if you see me,
09:14I wear a kurta.
09:16When I go out to give a lecture,
09:18and people see me,
09:20I have become a symbol.
09:22So whatever you do not like,
09:24you do it for Allah.
09:26And this is a misunderstanding
09:28that it is haraam.
09:30But if something is haraam,
09:32it is wrong to call it a Dawah.
09:34You cannot accept
09:36something that is haraam.
09:38You cannot accept it as a Dawah.
09:40This is not allowed in Islam.
09:42Maulana, if you could talk a little
09:44about this.
09:46When I went to the city of Africa,
09:48I visited it.
09:50The church
09:52is there.
09:54All the priests
09:56did not
09:58wear a coat or a tie.
10:00All of them
10:02like my son
10:04wore a long coat.
10:06This was the coat.
10:08They did not even have this.
10:10They did not even have
10:12a collar.
10:14They did not even have
10:16a collar.
10:18They did not even have a sleeve.
10:20Some people had a silver sleeve.
10:22Some people had an iron sleeve.
10:24So,
10:26this impression
10:28that these are the clothes of the disbelievers
10:30is not right.
10:32This is not right.
10:36Mr. Murad told me
10:38that these are the things.
10:40This is not right.
10:42Mr. Murad, in a country like Pakistan,
10:44you have a public session.
10:46Here, people will ask you
10:48questions that will only
10:50humiliate other sects.
10:52How do you handle such situations?
10:54In such situations,
10:56we have to answer wisely.
10:58Because
11:00people ask questions on purpose
11:02not because they do not know the answer.
11:04They know the answer to trap us.
11:06To create confusion.
11:08To create confusion.
11:10They ask on purpose.
11:12If they know that Zakir Bhai is
11:14refusing, they should refuse.
11:16The solution to this is
11:18that one thing is
11:20obligatory and one thing is
11:22permissible.
11:24And those who have more
11:26objections, they take the permissible.
11:28If you follow
11:30someone else,
11:32it is not wrong.
11:34You can do it.
11:36If you have done research
11:38and you know that
11:40it is better to refuse,
11:42then you can do it.
11:44But do not impose it on others.
11:46I am also right.
11:48If you take this
11:50and look at it,
11:52there is no disagreement on obligations.
11:54There is disagreement on
11:56Sunnah.
11:58Do you understand?
12:02If you understand,
12:04then you have said it.
12:06Yes, yes.
12:14So, in this,
12:16we will answer wisely.
12:18Maulana, if you remember
12:20the couplet you dedicated,
12:22please recite the couplet
12:24for us.
12:54Mehdi Khalifa-e-Abbasi
12:58He was
13:00going
13:02and he met
13:04an old woman on the way.
13:06She asked him
13:08which tribe
13:10he was from.
13:12He said,
13:14I am from Banu Ta'i.
13:16Hatim Ta'i.
13:18She said,
13:20Why are the women
13:22of your tribe
13:26like Hatim Ta'i?
13:28Why are the women
13:30of your tribe
13:32like Hatim Ta'i?
13:34She said,
13:36Banu Hashim
13:38are not like you,
13:40O Ameer-ul-Mumineen.
13:42Banu Hashim
13:44are not like you,
13:46O Ameer-ul-Mumineen.
13:48He started dancing
13:50after listening to her.
13:52So, both of these things
13:54were said by
13:56Naqsab.
13:58Thank you very much.