Bilawal Bhutto Meets Nawaz Sharif | Barrister Murtaza Wahab Revealed Internal Story of the Meeting
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Bilawal Bhutto Meets Nawaz Sharif | Barrister Murtaza Wahab Revealed Internal Story of the Meeting
Bilawal Bhutto Meets Nawaz Sharif | Barrister Murtaza Wahab Revealed Internal Story of the Meeting
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00:00Mr. Barrister Aqeel Malik,
00:02this is the same Ayn-e-Tarameem that I don't know when it was supposed to come.
00:04I don't understand, we are having meetings.
00:06Today, we had a meeting with Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif.
00:09So, when is the Ayn-e-Tarameem coming?
00:15In the name of Allah, I am Wasim. Thank you very much.
00:17Look, it is obvious that when we are developing a consensus,
00:21and we want a broader consensus with an effective opinion,
00:26so that tomorrow no one has any objections.
00:27And with that in mind, today,
00:29I myself, with the engagement of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan
00:32with the civil society,
00:34with our points regarding this constitutional amendment,
00:39I also told them about it.
00:41It is obvious that they also requested,
00:43they also suggested that they should not do it this way.
00:45But look, there is no document in front of us.
00:47These are mostly working documents.
00:49I also told them about the steps to legislation.
00:51Now, it is being said that it should be made public.
00:54When a document does not exist at all,
00:56when there was a working paper or a working document,
00:59then the IROs petitions are also filed
01:01that it was published in Gazette Notification.
01:04If the document does not exist at all,
01:06then what was to be voted on in the announcement of the Parliament?
01:12There was a document to be voted on, wasn't there?
01:14Yes, there was a working document.
01:17In the special committee,
01:19everyone was given a copy of the working document.
01:21It was not the property of the house.
01:23And it could not have been the property of the house
01:25if it had not been approved by the CCLC and the cabinet.
01:28And if it had been the property of the house,
01:30then it would have been the property of the house.
01:32But what is the problem in making it a public property?
01:35When the 18th amendment was passed,
01:36when the entire constitution of Pakistan was reviewed,
01:39there was a public debate.
01:41There was a debate in civil society.
01:42Lawyers were talking differently.
01:43Conventions were being held.
01:45Media... What is so secretive about this?
01:47This is a public document.
01:48Everyone can give their opinion on it.
01:49There is nothing secretive about it.
01:50I will tell you again.
01:53The real stakeholders of the parliamentary parties,
01:58the political leaders of the parliamentary parties,
02:00all the people present in the special committee,
02:03and the legal fraternity,
02:06the law minister stood up for 4.5 hours
02:10and told us about all the salient features.
02:11And he also gave them the document,
02:13our working paper, so that they can also give their opinion.
02:15This is why the Pakistan Bar Council also gave their opinion.
02:18They also gave their opinion on Article 68.
02:23Apart from that, all the parties are working on their own documents.
02:29When all these documents are put together,
02:31we will correlate them and prepare a document
02:35on which we will introduce the major consensus
02:40on which we will introduce them.
02:43Okay. I will talk more about this.
02:45Meanwhile, Mr. Murtaza Wahab,
02:46who is the senior leader of the party,
02:48is the translator of Bilawal Bhutto Zardari.
02:50And today he was present in the meetings
02:52with Mr. Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif and Maulana Faddul Rehman.
02:54Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
02:56Yes, Walaikum-o-Alaikum.
02:57Sir, thank you for your time.
02:59Tell us, the meeting between Mr. Nawaz Sharif and the Noon League,
03:02is it a coincidence that you and the Noon League
03:07have the same candidate, which you gave to Maulana Faddul Rehman?
03:14Look, Waseem, the meeting that took place today with Mr. Bilawal,
03:20was basically to convey the point of view of the People's Party
03:24to Mr. Mian Nawaz Sharif regarding the Constitutional Court.
03:28It was to remind him that this idea was of Respected Benazir Bhutto
03:33and Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
03:35when the decision was made in the Charter of Democracy.
03:40In today's meeting, Mr. Mian and his delegation
03:44agreed that we need to act on the Charter of Democracy.
03:51And they gave their full support to Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari.
03:58And Mr. Bilawal appreciated that his character
04:03has been very good in the past in democratic traditions.
04:06And he should play that role once again.
04:10Mr. Mian Nawaz Sharif is a complete supporter of the Constitutional Court.
04:13Yes.
04:14Right. So, sir, the Constitution that you shared with Maulana Faddul Rehman,
04:19should it be considered the Constitution of the People's Party
04:21or the Constitution of the People's Party and the Noon League?
04:25No, Waseem, this is the Constitution of the Pakistan People's Party.
04:28All right. So, how will this exercise proceed?
04:30You have shared your Constitution with Maulana Faddul Rehman.
04:32Will you both try to reach a consensus?
04:36Is that right?
04:37Will the Noon League and you both try to reach a consensus?
04:41Basically, the People's Party and the JUI are trying to play the role of a bridge
04:47to bridge the differences in the consensus building.
04:53And in this regard, there is a complete uniformity of thought
04:59between the People's Party and the JUI.
05:03Maulana Faddul Rehman himself is a supporter of the Constitutional Court.
05:07As I requested you yesterday,
05:09Maulana Faddul Rehman will share with us his views on the Constitution.
05:13His legal team and our legal team are working on it.
05:18As soon as his draft is completed, his details will be shared with us.
05:23Along with this, I would like to tell you
05:25that the Parliamentary Committee that was formed by the Speaker
05:30on this draft and the Constitutional Court
05:33was held at the National Assembly at 11 o'clock yesterday.
05:37All the members of the Parliamentary Political Committee are present there.
05:42We hope that they will come there and present their views
05:47in front of the Committee so that the consensus building can be carried out.
05:50Sir, as you said about Mr. Nawaz Sharif that he is a supporter of the Constitutional Court,
05:55with the same understanding that Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has,
05:59that there should be a Constitutional Court, a Chief Justice and a Secretariat.
06:02Is Maulana Faddul Rehman in the same sense...
06:04Yesterday, he was suggesting to Mr. Kamran Murtaza
06:07that there should be a Constitutional Court in the Supreme Court.
06:11We had enough discussion on that yesterday. I won't repeat it.
06:13But is Maulana Faddul Rehman in the same way as you and Mr. Nawaz Sharif want?
06:19When we met Maulana Faddul Rehman today,
06:20did he give you the impression that he is a supporter of the Constitutional Court?
06:23Or is his opinion a little different?
06:25Right now, there is a need to make up the face.
06:28That thing is not complete yet.
06:30That's why I am talking about the concept.
06:32And there is consensus on the concept.
06:34How will the face come out?
06:36There is a discussion on that.
06:38There was a discussion today as well.
06:39Actually, there is a lot of difference.
06:42There is no difference.
06:43You are saying that there should be a court,
06:45there should be a Chief Justice.
06:46Judges and Maulana Faddul Rehman are saying that all of this should continue.
06:49There should be a mirror bench in this.
06:50There is a lot of difference.
06:52Maulana is not saying this.
06:53This is Kamran Murtaza's personal opinion.
06:56So, Maulana's opinion is different from this?
06:58If this point of view comes forward from Maulana's side,
07:01from the JUI's side,
07:04then the matter will be corrected.
07:05But what point of view has come forward today
07:08when we met today?
07:09Has Kamran Murtaza's personal opinion come forward?
07:12Today, the basic point was that
07:14since the meeting is at 11 o'clock tomorrow,
07:16the JUI was requested to participate in the meeting.
07:20They should convey their point of view.
07:22The People's Party reiterated that
07:25they want to work on a clean constitutional bill.
07:30They want to work on a constitutional court.
07:32God willing, when the deliberations start tomorrow
07:35in front of the Parliamentary Committee,
07:36things will be cleared automatically.
07:39Let me just say this.
07:40Mr. Murtaza, please comment on this.
07:42Maulana's party's translator,
07:44whose name is Aslam Gowri,
07:46he says that
07:47it is not his opinion,
07:49but it is the opinion of his party
07:51that nothing has been decided.
07:54He says that
07:55he has given the impression
08:00that he is not in favour of a constitutional court.
08:04He has given an impression.
08:06If giving an impression is a good thing,
08:09then it is fine.
08:10We have been interpreted in the same way in the country
08:13that Pakistan is in this condition.
08:15I think we should work on black and white.
08:18Things should be clear-cut and categorical.
08:20So, you have enough reasons to believe
08:21that Maulana may come up with a different opinion.
08:24God willing, we believe that
08:26even though there were many differences in the past,
08:29the political parties,
08:30especially the People's Party, the Moon League,
08:33the JUI,
08:34all the political parties worked together
08:36and bridged their differences.
08:38I will give you an example of that on 18th.
08:41Mr. Murtaza, let me quote-unquote.
08:43Let me quote-unquote.
08:44I think this is an impression and a half.
08:47It is more than that.
08:48He says that he does not want a constitutional court
08:52which is superior to the Supreme Court.
08:55Translation, JUI.
08:57The constitutional court you were talking about
08:59was practically superior to the Supreme Court.
09:01In fact, a friend of the government
09:03had called it the Super Supreme Court
09:05out of innocence.
09:08So, will the constitutional court you are talking about
09:10be superior or inferior to the Supreme Court?
09:12Look, everyone creates their own terminology.
09:16I think that our view is that
09:18there will be a specific court for constitutional cases.
09:21And for other military or civil cases,
09:25criminal cases,
09:26there will be a separate court
09:28whose ultimate appellate forum,
09:30which will be the most superior forum,
09:32will be the Supreme Court.
09:34Okay.