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00:00BS KERETO
00:30I think it was a little bit
00:32This time, the program side has selected
00:35I have a retro computer in this
00:39Great
00:40For example, TOPASO Retro PC Museum
00:45It's a museum
00:46That's why I can't let you in yet
01:01Sky Break
01:03If it was normal
01:05I felt like I was going to fall more
01:09Sky Break
01:11Even if you don't have it
01:13All right
01:14Where are you going?
01:17Sky Break
01:19I'm alone
01:22I can shake off my memories
01:25Sky Break
01:31Good evening, I'm Satou Rika from Nogizaka46
01:34Under Live Tour will start from next week
01:38I think it's a hot live
01:41Let's enjoy it together
01:43I'll do my best
01:46This time, a special project
01:48TOPASO Retro PC Museum
01:52Three of the best computers of the year are gathered
01:55Let's learn the points that were amazing at the time and the innovative parts
02:00Excuse me
02:02Wow
02:04Great
02:06Great
02:07It's the one that was in the library
02:10This time, I was in charge of the melody beep
02:14We met again
02:16Thank you
02:18I consulted with Mr. Maruyama
02:20Selected
02:21Selected computer
02:24It's a computer that changed history
02:27I'm preparing things this time
02:31Retro PC this time
02:33Beep Akihabara, which deals with games
02:36Mr. Maruyama came to me
02:39I will teach you various things
02:43So first of all, the first generation
02:45This is NEC PC 8801
02:508801
02:51I feel like I heard it last time
02:53Yes, yes, yes
02:541801
02:55It's called an 8-bit computer
02:578-bit
02:58It's a game-oriented computer
03:02It sold well
03:04What is a bit?
03:05A bit is 1 bit
03:07I think it's smart to say a computer
03:10I can only remember 0 or 1
03:141
03:15If you make a figure, this may be easy to understand
03:18There is a box and there is 0 or 1 in it
03:21Oh, I see
03:23That's 8
03:24There are 8 boxes
03:25There are 8 boxes
03:26There are 8 boxes
03:27There are 8 boxes
03:29I'm sorry
03:30The original computer that the three of them assembled is 64 bits
03:35The computer at the time was 8 bits
03:39The number of patterns that can be expressed in 8 bits is 2 to the power of 8, and there are only 256
03:47This is much less than the current 64 bits
03:53On the other hand, there are some amazing points
03:57The amazing thing about this is
04:00I think I talked a little about it the other day
04:03How many colors can be used
04:05Oh
04:06You can choose from hundreds of millions of colors
04:10You can only use 8 colors at the same time
04:138 colors
04:14You can only use 8 colors in one screen
04:17It was difficult to express, but it was beautifully reflected by the creators
04:24I think you should take a look at it
04:27I want to see
04:29Oh, it's on
04:31It's on
04:32Oh, it's so cute
04:35It's on
04:37Wow
04:38It's a little scary
04:41Is this okay?
04:42What is this?
04:43Is it a game?
04:44Is it a game?
04:45Is it a game?
04:47It's a game
04:48It's a game opening screen
04:49Oh, I see
04:52At that time, computers were not common like they are now
04:56It was a strong aspect that it was for playing games
05:01So, even at work, computers are not common
05:04No, it's not
05:05It's a single-player version
05:07Oh, that's terrible
05:08I don't know
05:11So, let's play the famous game that was so popular at the time, ETH
05:18I'm going in
05:19It's ETH
05:21It's ETH
05:23Wow, you're good at it
05:25You're good at it
05:27ETH 1 is the first action RPG game
05:35The story is about a boy who goes on an adventure to save his country
05:41Oh, wow
05:42I'm the red one
05:43Yes, yes
05:44As I said, it's colored
05:47I can't believe it's colored
05:49It's so beautiful
05:50When you scroll up and down, the background changes
05:55It was relatively smooth
05:58Smooth
05:59Yes
06:00The color was shaded
06:04I thought it was well done
06:09Oh, it's true
06:10There are enemies
06:12It's an island
06:13So, it's well done
06:14Is this an enemy?
06:15No, it's not
06:16There are enemies
06:17Are they fighting?
06:18It's a battle
06:19A battle?
06:20A battle?
06:21A battle?
06:22A battle?
06:23A battle?
06:24A battle?
06:25What?
06:26Did you lose?
06:27Yes, I lost
06:28Why?
06:29Why?
06:30Is there a sword?
06:31No, it's a battle
06:33A battle?
06:34So, it's a battle?
06:35You can move a little bit
06:38It's difficult
06:40What else can you do besides playing games?
06:45If I compare it with my current computer,
06:49I can do things that I can't do
06:53Oh, that's true
06:55I can't use the Internet, but I can use my computer
06:58I can
06:59You can communicate with your computer?
07:01I can connect my phone to my computer
07:05I can communicate with my phone while peeing
07:10Oh
07:11But it costs a lot of money to do that
07:16For example, I got a device to listen to CDs,
07:20but it was very expensive
07:22If you just play games, it's not that expensive
07:25That's right
07:26You only need this
07:29I see
07:30So, this was about 200,000 yen
07:34But
07:35It was about 200,000 yen at the time
07:38I think it's close to buying a full-spec gaming PC
07:46Let's turn off the power
07:48Yes
07:49Press this green button
07:50It's automatic
07:51It's automatic
07:52Oh, it's good
07:56It's off
07:57I'm nervous
07:58It's good
07:59I haven't saved it yet
08:01Is there a proper shutdown procedure?
08:04There is no shutdown
08:06No
08:07I'm scared
08:08I'm scared
08:09It's scary
08:11Finally, a commemorative photo with a retro PC
08:15Cheese
08:19It's good
08:21It's good
08:22It's retro
08:23It's retro
08:25Next, let's look at the second computer
08:28The second one is PC9801
08:329801
08:33The one before
08:34It's 1000 more
08:35It's true
08:37It's 1000 more
08:39The one before was 8bit
08:41This one is 16bit
08:43It's more
08:44This one looks older
08:47It's thicker
08:48That's right
08:49This one was a PC for gyms
08:55I see
08:56It's more
08:57It's 16bit
08:59Of course, you can do more
09:03How much can you do?
09:05You can do high speed processing
09:09You can process it fast
09:11Yes, you can
09:12But the price has gone up
09:15It must be hard
09:16This one was about 200,000 yen
09:18This one was 200,000 yen
09:19And this one was 390,000 yen
09:22The price doubled
09:24It doubled
09:26Oh
09:27How much is 390,000 yen now?
09:31It's about 800,000 yen
09:34700,000 yen and 800,000 yen are different
09:40And it doesn't make a sound
09:42It doesn't
09:43It doesn't
09:45It doesn't
09:46If you try to make a sound, you have to pay
09:48I see
09:49The price has gone up
09:51But the performance has gone up
09:55The PC9800 series was so popular
10:00How many people have this at home?
10:03This was introduced as a national machine
10:06It was introduced as a national machine
10:11But it wasn't available at home
10:13But it was available at home
10:18I see
10:20It's rare
10:22If I have this at home, I'd like to say it
10:25But it's better not to say
10:27People come to my house every day
10:29They might kiss
10:30That's right
10:32But it doesn't have anything
10:34Right
10:36It doesn't have anything
10:39I buy an app
10:41I see
10:43It's like an iPhone that doesn't have an app
10:47Wow
10:48An iPhone that can't take a picture
10:50It can't take a picture
10:51Does it mean that you have a status?
10:53I have
10:55But I can say for sure that this is the most popular PC
11:00Really?
11:01That's amazing
11:02What's so attractive about it?
11:06Well, it has a long history
11:11I've been using the same software for a long time
11:16It's a data machine
11:17That's right
11:18You've been using it for a long time
11:20I've been using it for a long time
11:23I still use it at the factory
11:26I've seen it on TV
11:29That's right
11:31It's expensive, but you've been using it for a long time
11:34That's why it's so popular
11:37There are other reasons
11:40It's becoming more and more high-performance
11:43Many people are remodeling it like a modern gaming PC
11:48Can you remodel it?
11:49Yes, I can
11:51How fast can you remodel it?
11:55It's as fast as a gaming PC
11:59I see
12:01It's like a modern gaming PC
12:04You can customize it as you like
12:06It's a trend
12:10When you start it
12:129801 is this
12:15Please listen to it
12:17Is it a sound?
12:18It's a sound
12:19It's a moving sound
12:23I'm sorry, I made a mistake
12:26I'm sorry, I made a mistake
12:28I'm sorry
12:299801 is this
12:34Ping pong
12:35Ping pong?
12:36It made a sound
12:38Is this the only one?
12:40Is this the only one?
12:41Is this the only one?
12:42I'm sorry
12:43Is this the only one?
12:45Can you make other sounds?
12:46Yes
12:47Can you?
12:48Yes, I can
12:49This ping pong
12:52This is the speed of the CPU at this time
12:59This is ping pong
13:01It gets faster
13:03Ping pong?
13:04Ping pong gets faster
13:06You can feel it
13:08Ping pong
13:11This is the latest one
13:13The last one is ping pong
13:15It's really fast
13:17It's a sound that makes you smart
13:20You can tell by the sound
13:24You can tell how old it is by the sound
13:27It's useful
13:29It's amazing
13:31It's a special skill
13:33It's a special skill
13:35It's amazing
13:36It's like a desktop
13:40It opens at the beginning
13:42Home screen?
13:43Yes, it's a home screen
13:47Do you have a mouse?
13:49Of course
13:51I have a mouse
13:53But I can only use the solar app
13:57Solar app?
13:58But it was the most popular
14:00I think it's because I was able to do a lot of things
14:04It's simple
14:06It's like a perfect top 5
14:09Yes
14:11I bought this and this
14:14Did you?
14:15I bought this and this
14:19600,000 yen?
14:20No, no
14:21I went to Akihabara and bought it
14:25I see
14:26I made the sound
14:28Thank you
14:32Then Hayashi
14:38What is this?
14:41Hiragana
14:42It's not Hiragana
14:43It's katakana
14:44I see
14:45Nufu?
14:46Nufu?
14:48Please take a picture of Nufu
14:53Nufu
14:54Hayashi, if you look closely at this keyboard
14:57It has a stop button
14:59What is a stop button?
15:00It's easy to understand
15:02Shift
15:03It's easy to understand
15:05Control is here
15:07It's not CTRL
15:09It's almost the same as this
15:11It's easy to understand
15:13The right one is a little harder
15:16It's true
15:17This one has a better sound
15:18You can search for a gaming PC or keyboard
15:21Yes
15:22The one you like
15:23This one is close to Mr. Kobayashi's computer
15:27So, we took a commemorative photo on this computer
15:33After this, items that changed the computer paper appeared one after another
15:38Can you hold this for a moment?
15:40This?
15:41This is a manual
15:43Manual?
15:44That's cool
15:45There are so many
15:46There are so many
15:52The original game of the program, Denpa Tou, is on sale for 980 yen
15:59We will also introduce our impressions of the program
16:03Please try to play
16:12Zansho
16:13Zansho
16:14Wow
16:15I thought it was something for a moment
16:17Zansho
16:18It's still a little summery
16:20But it's a calm color
16:22Cute
16:23It's a little knit-like
16:25Seasons
16:28That's good
16:29It's fashionable
16:30Autumn
16:31Autumn color
16:32Autumn pattern
16:33It also has earrings
16:34That's right
16:35Not earrings
16:36Yes
16:37You debuted with earrings
16:38Yes
16:39Fashionable
16:40I'm really symmetrical with Aya-chan and Hayashi
16:43It's like a book
16:46Isn't this a little retro?
16:49I chose a color that is not usually in this costume
16:54Thank you
16:55Various
16:56Yes
16:58KUOPASO Retro PC Museum
17:01Before going to the third computer
17:03Introduce something related to computers that may have changed history at that time
17:08First
17:09Microsoft Windows 95
17:12It came out
17:13If you say Internet
17:15You can do proper Internet
17:18You can do it easily
17:20This is the innovative part
17:23However, there are many people who say that they can do it if they buy this
17:28So I don't have a computer
17:30Oh, that's it
17:31In the first place
17:33I can't use it without the main body
17:35That's right
17:36So I asked the electrician to give me the Internet
17:41If you buy this, you can do Internet
17:44I was a little confused
17:47Confused
17:50The release of Windows 95
17:52It has become a factor in the explosive spread of computers
17:57However, at that time, there were also inconvenient points compared to now
18:03Is this an instruction manual?
18:05I can't read it
18:06Wait
18:07There are a lot of things like textbooks
18:09There are a lot
18:11It is said that it is before you become a servant
18:14It is said that it is before you become a servant
18:16Wow, it's a guy who can read everything
18:18The essential OS is in this
18:22Wow
18:24Wait, what is this?
18:28This?
18:31It's a pad
18:32If you don't put all of this in, Windows 95 won't work
18:36Do you mean to put it in one by one?
18:38Let's do our best
18:39It's hard
18:40Yes
18:41It is said that there were many inconvenient things compared to now
18:45It was definitely something that changed history
18:50So this is a commemorative photo taken by Ayati, the same age
18:56One more
18:59It fits
19:00Cute
19:02The design is really cute
19:06It's cute
19:07There were about five colors at that time
19:09You can get used to it
19:10There was an empty bar every year
19:13That's the same as a mobile phone
19:15Does Apple become fashionable?
19:17Apple suddenly became fashionable
19:21Why?
19:22What happened?
19:23The president changed
19:26He changed to the famous Jobs
19:28Jobs
19:30The keyboard is a little transparent
19:32The mouse is cute
19:34What kind of shape is it?
19:36There is only one button
19:37Only one?
19:38Please touch it
19:39It's a normal mouse
19:42Is it the same if you press right and left?
19:44No
19:45No?
19:46No
19:47There is only one
19:48Inconvenient
19:49It's not inconvenient
19:52When I started the first iMac
19:56Yes
19:57I know
19:58This is my iMac
20:00Is that so?
20:02The sound I know is
20:07It's a shutdown
20:10I was wrong
20:12These are the things related to computers that changed history
20:17Let's go to the last retro computer
20:21This is an 8-bit computer with the same CPU as the 8801
20:29Various manufacturers are working together on the same project
20:34Making an alliance
20:36The name is MSX
20:39It's like Nogizaka
20:40There is an individual and we are Nogizaka
20:44It's the most popular game computer in the world
20:48It's the most popular
20:50Let's take a look
20:53Is it on now?
20:54Yes
20:55It doesn't beep
20:56It's on
20:57This is the home screen
21:00This is the desktop menu screen
21:04You can do a lot of things with this
21:06For example, you can make a call
21:07A message board
21:08You can leave a message to your mother
21:13It's very helpful
21:14And a calendar
21:15It's helpful
21:17Can I have a look?
21:21It's 1987
21:23It's the calendar
21:25Can you do this now?
21:27Yes
21:28We just tried it
21:29Let's try it
21:32While he is teaching us
21:34Let's set the date
21:39Oh no
21:41Oh no
21:423, 2, 0, 8
21:45And then
21:48Set the date
21:51It's done
21:52What about today?
21:54August 20th
21:57Wow
22:01August 1987 and August 2024
22:05It was the same day and day
22:08Wow
22:10Let's change the year
22:13It's a lie
22:14It's a lie
22:17It's the year of the rooster
22:18It's the year of the rooster
22:19Really?
22:22It's the year of the rooster
22:23Wow
22:24How long are you going to do this?
22:28I don't know why
22:30But as a computer, F8
22:33It has the basics of a computer
22:37You can make a game with the commands
22:40You can draw a line
22:43It costs 30,000 yen
22:4630,000 yen
22:50So, in this computer
22:52We are going to play a game called South Pole Adventure
22:56Press the up button to speed up
22:58Press the up button several times to speed up
23:01Wow
23:02Is it still working?
23:03Yes
23:05You have to go faster
23:06Really?
23:07Wait a minute
23:09I don't know if it's a flag or a hole
23:13Wait, what are you doing?
23:15Go, go, go
23:16Go, go, go
23:18Go, go, go
23:20No, no, no
23:21No, no
23:24It's so exciting
23:25It's so cute
23:26This is a educational series
23:29to learn the names of the places
23:32by traveling around the South Pole
23:35I see
23:36It's a game computer
23:38That's why there are so many things like this
23:42You can learn math while playing
23:46That's it for the Ultra PC Museum
23:49How was it?
23:52Touch it
23:54Is there anything in 2003?
23:57It's a computer
23:582003
24:00Anything
24:02Anything
24:07Tokyo PC Club will broadcast on TVER after the show
24:12The program will continue for 3 years, 4 years and more
24:16Please press the favorite button of TVER
24:21It was amazing
24:22There were so many kinds
24:24It was different from what I expected
24:28When I actually touched it
24:30I got a lot of ideas
24:33I got to ask a lot of questions
24:36I got to know a lot about the past
24:39Thank you very much
24:44Next time
24:45We will invite a special guest
24:47who specializes in internet memes
24:49to learn about the history and culture of the internet world
24:53Selling things is not a level
24:55Yes, I've seen it
24:57Are you kidding?

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