ボクらの時代 2024年10月06日 藤ヶ谷太輔×奈緒×辻村深月
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00:00Episode 2
00:02Today's Bokura no Jidai is brought to you by these three people.
00:06I'm so happy that you're doing a book.
00:09Really?
00:10Wow!
00:11So you're going to see the stars this summer?
00:13I didn't think I'd get to see the ice whale.
00:16I'm so happy.
00:17I've always loved this show.
00:20So when I heard you were doing a movie,
00:23I talked to Nao-chan and said,
00:25I really want to be in Bokura no Jidai.
00:27I thought it would come true.
00:29But I've seen more than two people in Bokura no Jidai.
00:33I didn't think I'd be in it.
00:35I'm a novelist, so I didn't think I'd be in it.
00:39So I was thinking,
00:41is it okay for me to be in the first episode?
00:44I'm so glad.
00:46That's why I made this movie.
00:49Thank you so much.
00:51The mother of the fiance suddenly disappeared.
00:54Taisuke Fujigaya and Nao-san are starring in the movie,
00:58Goman to Zenryo.
01:04It's a love mystery about the real relationship
01:07and values of a man and a woman in a dating app.
01:11Fujigaya-san plays the unyielding Kakeru,
01:14who can't get married.
01:16Nao-san plays Mami,
01:18the fiancee of Kakeru who solves the mystery.
01:22The original novel is a best-seller by Naoki Tsujimura.
01:28Fujigaya-san and Nao-san have been fans of Tsujimura's work for a long time.
01:34When I came to the set of the movie,
01:38I waved my hand from a little far away,
01:41and they were like,
01:43It's been a long time since I've waved my hand like that.
01:48We were so excited at that time.
01:51We met in the morning, and we were like,
01:54Tsujimura-san is coming after lunch.
01:56What should I do?
01:57Tsujimura-san is coming.
01:59What if they say it's too different from my original work?
02:04What if I write it right away?
02:07He's not such a scary person.
02:09That's what I'm talking about.
02:10We respected him too much.
02:14But when he read this novel,
02:18I heard that he sympathized with it
02:22because he hadn't seen anyone so popular
02:27when it was just published.
02:30It was introduced on TV.
02:33But sometimes I'm told that there are white Tsujimura and black Tsujimura.
02:41I think romance is more like black.
02:44I was like, I have a white Tsujimura.
02:47Is Fujikawa-san okay?
02:49Even among the black Tsujimura,
02:51he said it was a blessing.
02:53He said it was good.
02:56I was like, is he okay?
02:58I wasn't aware of that at all.
03:00It's true that it's a little risky to move forward.
03:07But it doesn't matter at all.
03:09If you read too much of my books,
03:12your personality will get worse.
03:18I'm a little worried about that.
03:20So if you read my books with the new editors,
03:27your personality may get worse.
03:30So please be careful.
03:32Especially to the young editors.
03:35I'm saying something to them.
03:39Yes
03:41I say no
03:43You say stop
03:45I say go, go, go
03:52Oh no
03:55You say goodbye
03:58I say hello
04:01Hello, hello
04:03I don't know why you say goodbye
04:06I say hello
04:08Tsujimura-san was the reason I started reading novels.
04:14When was that?
04:15When I was about 16 or 17.
04:17So when you were in high school.
04:19I read a 10-minute book in the morning.
04:21There's an ice whale over there.
04:24I read it all in the morning.
04:27I cried a lot.
04:29I'm happy.
04:31When I met Tsujimura-san's work,
04:33I wanted to read books.
04:36I'm happy.
04:37How did Tsujimura-san become a writer in the first place?
04:44I've never heard of it.
04:46I first started writing when I was in the 3rd grade of elementary school.
04:51There was a time when writing novels became popular in my class.
04:56Everyone was writing romance novels.
05:01I wrote a horror novel.
05:03No one read it because it was scary.
05:06That's a high-quality novel.
05:08I don't think it was scary or creepy.
05:11Everyone was writing romance novels.
05:14I was the only one who was afraid of the difference between the amount of evil and the amount of good.
05:18You were in elementary school.
05:20Even now.
05:22Nao-san also read it.
05:24The story of the ice whale was written when I was in high school.
05:30I was able to meet Tsujimura-san when I was in high school through the ice whale.
05:37I'm glad to hear that.
05:39There are a lot of things I want to ask.
05:41When you create a story, do you start with a rough idea?
05:46Or do you start with a rough idea after you've created the world?
05:51In my case, I write without deciding.
05:54Without deciding?
05:56I don't think I've come up with a plan.
05:58It's more like I've noticed what I was doing from the beginning.
06:03That's how I know what I'm going to do.
06:11That's how I make everything.
06:13I start writing a novel without knowing if that moment will come.
06:19That's why it's so scary.
06:21I'm not sure if it's going to end.
06:24I'm sure it's going to end.
06:27I'm sure it's going to end.
06:30I'm sure it's going to end.
06:35When did you want to be an actor?
06:40I wanted to work as soon as possible.
06:44My mother has been working for me for a long time.
06:50As a child, I wanted to be like my mother.
06:55I thought that if I worked a little earlier, I could spend more time with my mother.
07:01I had that kind of thought as a child.
07:05I happened to be scouted.
07:08I thought I could work as soon as possible, so I joined this world.
07:14I was very shocked when I tried acting.
07:19When I was told that I was going to play a big voice that I would never have,
07:26I was very shocked that I had a big voice.
07:31It's still going on.
07:35I've never met anything that I don't know about myself.
07:40I still think that if I find out, this job will be over.
07:50I feel like I'm being reset every time.
07:55How did I remember the lines when I joined a new work?
08:01I remember every time.
08:05When I finished the work, I was able to act like this.
08:10I didn't know how to act.
08:13But when I joined a new work, I remembered how to act.
08:16It's the same with novels.
08:19If you think you've mastered this work, you'll probably fail.
08:27That's right.
08:29When Nao-san was acting, I thought it was similar to the feeling of being able to speak up when you're in a role.
08:46Nao-san is trying to be friends with her.
08:52Sometimes I feel like that.
08:55Maybe that's why I'm here.
08:58Rather than becoming that person, I feel like I'm the closest person to her.
09:05I feel like I'm with her even during this period.
09:10Even after it's over, I think about the role and think about her happiness.
09:15Even after a year has passed, I think about it and cry.
09:22Fujigaya became a close friend of Kakeru.
09:25I like Kakeru.
09:28I really like Fujigaya's work.
09:36There are a lot of bad things about that work.
09:39That's the worst.
09:42Kakeru is doing things without a bad intention.
09:46He has a sense of running away.
09:49When I found out that Fujigaya was playing Kakeru, I was very happy.
09:57I don't know much about love.
10:05I don't know much about love.
10:12I see.
10:15I don't think I'm suitable for being an idol.
10:19Now?
10:22I'm grateful for meeting the members and the fans.
10:29I'm glad I met them.
10:32But I don't think I'm suitable for being an idol.
10:40I made my debut when I was 24.
10:43When I was in my 30s, I wanted to work with Miura.
10:48I want to work with her.
10:53I don't know what would happen if I said I was going to work with her.
11:00I think it's the same for both of you.
11:04In the world of theater, there are a lot of words from the characters.
11:09There are a lot of words that I've heard.
11:15The words are beautiful.
11:19In the early 20s, gyaru was popular.
11:26I saw a lot of pictures on TV.
11:32I was embarrassed and couldn't watch it.
11:38The most difficult thing for me was to watch the video of me talking.
11:46I was in my early 20s.
11:49It was the most difficult thing for me to watch the video.
11:53I learned to make mistakes.
11:56When I was a student, I wanted to be a gyaru.
12:02I watched a lot of gyaru magazines.
12:06When I meet gyaru in a variety show, I get excited.
12:13I'm glad that Tsujimura told me that the words are beautiful.
12:24I was able to express the feeling of being in danger and dying.
12:29I was able to express the feeling of being in danger and dying.
12:34But the nuance was different.
12:38I thought it was amazing.
12:41I was watching the video with a small voice in my heart.
12:52Instead of changing the nuance of the word,
12:57I thought it was better to replace it with a different word.
13:06I realized that I was suitable for a variety show.
13:12I noticed it during the recording.
13:17If I met Fujigaya-san, I might not be able to talk.
13:23I'm often told that.
13:26I met Fujigaya-san a long time ago.
13:29I made my debut with him.
13:33I worked under SMAP for a long time.
13:37At that time, Kisumai didn't have the aura of a star.
13:47When SMAP members came in, I greeted them in the dressing room.
13:52Each of them had a great aura.
13:55When they were all together, it was amazing.
13:58I didn't talk to the members.
14:02I thought about the aura of each member.
14:09At that time, I was wearing sunglasses.
14:13The other members were wearing hats.
14:17I didn't have a meeting.
14:19It was the first year of our debut.
14:22I was wearing sunglasses on TV.
14:26I was called to the office.
14:28I was told that I was too bad.
14:32I was told that I wouldn't get a job.
14:36I was told that I was too bad.
14:40I thought it was natural.
14:43I thought it was the same for my group.
14:49I want to ask you about the concept of arrogance and goodwill.
14:54You two met on a dating app.
14:57When I wrote it, the dating app wasn't as popular as it is now.
15:09What do you think about dating apps?
15:14I've never done it before.
15:18Nowadays, dating apps are becoming standard.
15:21Some people are married.
15:24Nao's friend is a dating app.
15:27My best friend is a dating app.
15:29I got married to a person who was a dating app.
15:32I was very happy.
15:34I've been popularized.
15:37I don't know if I can start now.
15:40I have the courage to start a job that I can't start.
15:47For example, if I had a life without this job,
15:54I would have wanted to do it.
15:57Really?
15:58I think so.
16:00I can't say it well.
16:02When I was asked if I wanted to get married,
16:07I didn't know if I wanted to get married.
16:12Now I have a lot of choices.
16:15I feel like I'm running away from myself.
16:21Now I have a lot of choices.
16:23What should I choose?
16:26I'm facing it again.
16:29I wanted to be a kindergarten teacher.
16:33I like children.
16:36I want to get married someday.
16:40I've been doing it since I was in my 20s.
16:43I don't know when.
16:47My brother got married a while ago.
16:50That's good.
16:52When I asked my parents how old they were,
16:57I wasn't in a hurry.
17:01I don't know.
17:03I don't know when.
17:06When I hang out with my senior's family,
17:12I want to know their happiness.
17:17I want to make their happiness.
17:22I hear that a lot these days.
17:27Is there anything different after marriage?
17:32Did your job change?
17:35Did you get married and have children?
17:38Yes.
17:40When I got married and had children,
17:44I was told that my style of writing had become kinder.
17:50I was told that my story was influenced by my children.
17:56I didn't like it at all.
18:00It hasn't changed.
18:02Of course, the environment has changed.
18:05But now I don't feel the same.
18:09I don't want to change myself.
18:13I want my children to understand the novel I'm writing.
18:19Recently, I thought that simple words were good.
18:23I thought I was stronger.
18:27Now I think readers can decide what kind of writer I am.
18:35I think I've become very strong.
18:39What do you want to tell your seniors?
18:42Mr. Fujigaya and Mr. Matsujimura,
18:45I want to ask my seniors if there is such a thing.
18:51There is always a self that people see and a self that you have.
19:02How do you get along with that?
19:08I was in a drama called It's Your Turn.
19:16That role.
19:18I played the role of Ayano-chan.
19:21I got to know a lot of people there.
19:24I started to appear in variety shows.
19:27I was afraid that I would become someone I didn't know.
19:34When I played Anaban,
19:37It may be related to the story that I don't know how to play.
19:45I was with Mr. Nawase at the time of Anaban.
19:50Mr. Nawase told me that I got 120 points this time.
19:57So I have to get back to zero next time.
20:04I thought that was fine.
20:07I was very happy.
20:09I'm still grateful for that.
20:12Mr. Fujigaya, you are an idol.
20:15Did you have any trouble with that?
20:19I made my debut at the age of 24.
20:22In my agency, 24 is a late age.
20:27I wanted to go the way I wanted to go.
20:32I wanted to be cool.
20:35When I said the name of the members and their faces,
20:39I didn't want to be the only one.
20:44I wanted to be remembered.
20:47I made a unit called BUSAIKU.
20:53Mr. Nakai said that BUSAIKU had to be the junior of the people.
20:59There were seven people at that time, so the three had to be cool.
21:03BUSAIKU was a group of four and three cool people.
21:06The more we were apart, the bigger the group became.
21:09For example, in a variety show,
21:12when four people's costumes were not bright at all,
21:16four people stood up and said,
21:18Please don't say that.
21:20At that time, I said,
21:22We're not that bad.
21:26If you do that, you'll kill four people.
21:30At that moment, I told him that he was a handsome man.
21:35I thought I was going to kill him.
21:38It was pretty hard.
21:41When I saw it on TV or on the monitor,
21:44I thought it was a bad way to show it.
21:49But I had no choice but to do it.
21:52You were very professional.
21:56I was talking about it during the shoot.
22:00When I was eating tonkatsu.
22:02When you were eating tonkatsu in Saga.
22:06I heard it in the stage greeting.
22:09I was surprised.
22:11I didn't know you ate so much.
22:13I don't usually eat at all,
22:15but I don't go to Saga often.
22:17I ate a lot.
22:18The night in Saga was limited.
22:20Nao, where are you going?
22:22I packed my schedule as much as I could.
22:24While I was eating,
22:26Mr. Fujikaya was talking about the group.
22:31I was thinking a lot.
22:34I'm in a group now.
22:36The place to reach in a group.
22:39I really want to see the scenery that can be seen in a group.
22:48He was talking with a very sparkling face.
22:53When you get older,
22:57do you still have the feelings you had from the beginning?
23:01Which part has changed?
23:05It may have changed.
23:08When I was in my 20s,
23:10when I was doing a play,
23:13when I was in a variety show,
23:16I thought,
23:18I thought,
23:20I thought,
23:26Did you have such impatience?
23:28I had impatience.
23:30Did you?
23:32There were many disbandments in my seniors.
23:38The members were also changed.
23:41I thought it was not natural.
23:45I felt that the same was true for my group.
23:49That's why I want to be in a group for a long time.
23:54If you want to go fast, go alone.
23:57If you want to go far, go together.
23:59That's a good word.
24:01I think there were many such changes.
24:05I was planning to eat a lot today.
24:09I was eating and I thought I was talking about something good.
24:13You were eating.
24:17Have a wonderful day.