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00:00There are a lot of questions on how politics is going, practice and procedures come on it, on the ordinance.
00:06Was this provision in your original bill, which was a constitutional amendment, that you wanted to do with it at that time?
00:13The formation of the bench in this regard, the changes that had to be brought, and what kind of cases, what kind of queuing would be there, was this in your original constitutional amendment?
00:22In that, there are better legal reforms, law reforms, and generally speaking, there is a polarization within judiciary or politicization within judiciary,
00:37to end that thing, so that there is a fixation of cases.
00:40But at present, when we gave practice and procedure in 2023, we gave it with a good and clear intention.
00:47The day-to-day affairs of cases, people suffer, they are not able to form benches.
00:52When benches will not be constituted, judges will not listen, political parties will say, make a larger bench, political parties will say, get a full court.
00:59All kinds of political cases are being taken up, and the 70-80% time to look at these cases, which is a problem of the common man,
01:09it is completely ignored, and the cases of political parties are kept on the front line.
01:15In that, we have brought the best, and many times, the members are not available in that.
01:20Obviously, the Chief Justice is there, along with him, the Senior Peony Judge is there, and after that, the third number of senior judges are generally there.
01:27But many times, you have seen, in 2-3 weeks, the meeting of this committee did not take place, and the bench was not made.
01:33Then who suffered? The common man, the common citizen suffered.
01:37So, in order to improve the composition of all these things, we did this, that the Senior Most Judge, Chief Justice, and along with him, any other judge, they can opt, it is not necessary.
01:47So, it is the choice of the Chief Justice, right?
01:49That is obvious.
01:51This is factually correct, right?
01:52Master of Roles is said to them.
01:54So, this is a negation of your old legislation, right?
01:57Not at all.
01:58Because earlier, your doubt was that Mr. Bandyal is there, on record, your leadership is there, that not to give so much power to a person, that is why we have to dilute his power.
02:06So, it is still diluted.
02:07It is not diluted now.
02:08Now, it has gone back.
02:09Now, in the Master of Roster, there are two votes of the Chief Justice, because his appointed judge, and we have seen, the committee has changed, right?
02:16The committee has changed.
02:17But this is an impression from your side, right?
02:19This is an impression from the legal fraternity.
02:20From the legal fraternity, if they say this to the judge or the Chief Justice, say that no, we have objections on him, to any other member, and that rotation can also happen.
02:30Obviously, it is not that the judge who has been opted out, he will be the one.
02:34He is free to decide amongst, between the brother judges, that he can opt for any other judge, with the help of the committee, so that this constitution, the benches that have to be constituted, at least they do not suffer, and people's cases are listed for hearing.
02:49Along with this, the second thing is that in Article 184, the public importance has to be decided first, whether this is a case of public importance or not.
02:59Instead of its maintainability, you go to its merits.
03:04After that, the order of the cases, the old case is first in, first out rule.
03:10And along with that, the transcript, the proceedings, we have also ensured, so good things have happened overall.
03:15But you do understand what you are saying.
03:17You are saying that the formation of the first committee, in which there was a Chief Justice, a Senior Puny Judge, and a third Senior Most Judge.
03:23That is, they were not putting cases of public interest, Chief Justice and Senior Puny Judge.
03:29Sometimes, Maria, one member was not available.
03:32So they were not keeping the public interest in mind, and now the public interest, through this process, you think that it is…
03:38When they will not be available, Maria, then the committee will not be able to sit.
03:42When the committee will not be able to sit, when you will bound, then it is obvious that the issue of the common man, that my case is not fixed, my case is not taken up for hearing.
03:51To make that thing better, that at least the committee should make benches, but the constitution of the benches should not suffer.
03:58You become a criminal bench, you become a civil bench, you become a family bench, you become a bench of service matters.
04:06So, the case of the common man is, for example, 63A.
04:09No, the case of the common man is the case of 30 years of land, it is his case, his appeal may be for death penalty, may be for life imprisonment.
04:20But now you see, in the review, I think the case of 63A will be heard later.
04:25Again, it is being thought about, and these questions are coming from you.
04:31When the case of 63A will be heard, then it will be seen.
04:34It is obvious that the constitution, the benches, their formation, this is the work of this committee and this committee should not do it.
04:40And we also say that, absolutely, as a parliament, the case of 30A should also be heard.
04:45There is nothing wrong in this, I am telling you on record.
04:48It has been two and a half years, that case is pending till today and has not been taken up.
04:52This should be decided once and for all.
04:54It is a crisp question.
04:55After yesterday's ordinance, has the Chief Justice got more power?
05:00Or has his power diluted as you had diluted earlier?
05:04Or has he become more powerful when he has got the option that he has to choose the third judge?
05:11So, the opponents are also accusing you that the master of the roaster is the government.
05:16Or whoever will be in power at that time, that he will decide the master of the roaster.
05:19I think that the power of the Chief Justice is the same.
05:23There is no need to strengthen him further.
05:28Only one option has been given that he should opt for one more member.
05:31Right now, he has opted for one member.
05:33Well first, if that member is not available, or he is in the Lahore Registry, or he is in the Karachi Registry,
05:39then it is obvious that he can opt for any other member.
05:42Now, can we wait for two or three weeks for him?
05:45Just like we were waiting for the third-ranked senior judge earlier.
05:49Have you made any miscalculations?
05:50Like you did with regards to Uttara Meen.
05:52The vote bank, your numbers are complete.
05:54Everyone will agree on the constitution.
05:56Even after this, is there any miscalculation?
05:58Are you not seeing from within that there will be a reaction on this in the Supreme Court?
06:02Because you have directly challenged two or three things.
06:04I will talk about the rest as well.