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00:00I would say that you are disregarding the Supreme Court's decision today.
00:04But I think that this order creates more confusion.
00:09So what will you do legally?
00:11Because the Supreme Court has given clarity that we have members of PTI.
00:14Tomorrow or the day after, whenever you try to bring this amendment, voting has to be done.
00:18Now, since these are PTI people, if they vote, then there is a judgment of floor crossing.
00:23So where do you stand on this?
00:25The judgment of floor crossing, which was rewritten by the Constitution,
00:29the 63A stand-alone provision, which is an article of the Constitution of Pakistan,
00:35is very clear in it.
00:37There was no need for any kind of explanation or interpretation.
00:41It also has a dissenting note.
00:43You saw that it was sent through a presidential reference.
00:46But the other review has also been filed on it.
00:50And that review is also a year and a half old.
00:52The decision has not yet been made.
00:54I think that if the decision of that review had been made very soon,
00:57then all the things could have been seen in a better way,
01:01in the legal and practical context.
01:03But at the moment, through this order, these four pages are creating more confusion.
01:09So the three votes that you have, are they from Independence?
01:16Look, it is important.
01:18It is obvious.
01:19Even yesterday, I said that only the respectable people of this state will vote.
01:23Some angels will come and vote.
01:25Because Mr. Mingle also had some complaints.
01:27He is also saying that his people are being harassed.
01:29Yesterday, on record, he said that.
01:30So Mr. Mingle's party is not ready to cooperate with you on this.
01:33What is their position?
01:34But Mr. Mingle's party is in the Senate.
01:36If I am not wrong, he has two seats.
01:38He has two senators.
01:40He had his own seat here.
01:42He is not present himself.
01:43But apart from that, it is obvious.
01:46If there is any complaint or support from his side, then it will be seen in the case of the 63A.
01:51But then again, voting does not mean this.
01:54Obviously, if you look at that decision too,
01:57then everything goes under the guise of rewriting the Constitution.
02:02But the decision of review has never been made on that.
02:04The interesting thing is, Ms. Maria,
02:06that the review is pending here.
02:10But in the 63A, all the scheme of things has been given.
02:16And in that, there are all the steps and procedures.
02:19After that, ultimately, it will go to the Election Commission of Pakistan.
02:23And only the Election Commission of Pakistan can explain why the notifications have not been made yet.
02:29Because they have asked for clarification.
02:31In their clarification, I think, there is more ambiguity about this.
02:34And directions have also been given, which I, as being a student of law,
02:38I do not think that a decision of a person's party membership or party affiliation can come from the court.
02:48Okay, now that you are saying that you were confident yesterday and you are confident today,
02:51are you tabling this bill tomorrow?
02:53Because yesterday, the Cabinet meeting was also called.
02:55So, we can understand that tomorrow's meeting is in front of us.
02:57Yes, in any government-backed legislation or constitutional amendment,
03:03cabinet approval is necessary.
03:05And until cabinet approval is not there, it cannot be taken.
03:10Tomorrow is the day?
03:13Yes, absolutely.
03:15Or it will go on Monday.
03:17No, I think that as far as I have seen all these things in this context,
03:24I can safely say and I can confirm that tomorrow is the day.
03:28So, what is the number you have?
03:30If you tell me that this is our vote count.
03:32This is a rough estimate.
03:34I have already said yesterday that I am a little weak in calculations.
03:39You are not that weak.
03:41You have curated each vote.
03:44So, what is the number you have?
03:46Alhamdulillah, I think that the calculations so far,
03:50the government has a two-third majority comfortably.
03:53Okay, fine.
03:54So, if you are saying that consensus has to be done,
03:56then bring everyone together in consensus.
03:59Why has no one seen the constitution of the bill yet?
04:02Ask the People's Party, they say they have not seen it.
04:04Ask Maulana, they say they have not seen it.
04:06At least show it to the opposition.
04:08You do not have trust in them either.
04:10No, there have been discussions with them.
04:12Has no one seen the bill yet?
04:14Look, obviously, as I said yesterday,
04:16there are three or four options.
04:18All those things are being discussed.
04:20Work is also being done on it.
04:22We are also tweaking those options further.
04:26Look, Maulana's suggestions are very valuable suggestions.
04:31He has given that this seniority principle…
04:33Should it be incorporated?
04:34One of the options is definitely there.
04:36Maybe it should not be included in this bill.
04:38Is this a possibility?
04:39No, Maulana's recommendation is that
04:41overall, you should also see that
04:45only seniority should not be the principle.
04:52All other things that are attached to it,
04:54the ancillary things should also be kept in mind.
04:56There is an agreement on this.
04:57But Maulana does not agree on the fact that
04:59the term of service or age should be increased.
05:01So, will this be an option to increase it in your final constitution?
05:05Or can you skip it on Maulana's request?
05:08Look, absolutely.
05:09When I say that a consensus is being made on this whole thing,
05:15the other parties on the opposition side…
05:18Because, obviously, you say that
05:19the Sunni Atheism Council or PTI should be included in this.
05:23They know perfectly well.
05:24You must remember that when the Charter of Democracy was passed in 2006,
05:28there were talks on the constitutional courts,
05:30there were talks on the constitutional benches,
05:32and their party chairmen used to agree on that.
05:35But that was a long time ago.
05:36Why haven't your allies seen the current constitution?
05:40Why are they saying that we don't know exactly what it is?
05:43Either they are saying it because of political reasons
05:45or they haven't seen the constitution.
05:46Did the People's Party and Maulana see the constitution?
05:48Look, I can say that they haven't seen Maulana's constitution.
05:51Obviously, his salient features of the constitution
05:54have definitely been told to them.
05:58Then why aren't they showing it?
06:00It would be better than a consensus.
06:02It would be fine-tuned.
06:03Yes, you are absolutely right.
06:05I cannot comment on the People's Party.
06:07But they will see it when the time is right.
06:11Will they see it on the floor of the parliament?
06:13No, they can see it before that.
06:15This is a surprise element.
06:16There is no surprise element.
06:18You have started bringing an amendment with such a big consensus.
06:22You should have on-boarded the opposition as well.
06:24It is possible that they would have agreed to three of your four conditions.
06:27You are negotiating with Maulana.
06:29You are hiding this.
06:31This is an act of secrecy.
06:33Along with the process, there is a doubt on the intention as well.
06:36I think there is no doubt on our intention.
06:41We are actually bringing this with a very open mind.
06:45We are bringing this with a very clear intention.
06:48These are positive legal reforms, judicial reforms,
06:52which need to be worked on.
06:54This has been pending for a long time.
06:56When you are saying that there is a lot of suspense being created,
07:01a lot is being hidden, it is not true.
07:03Earlier, you were not accepting that such legislation is coming.
07:06We are talking to the majority, on-air and off-air.
07:08Now, you are saying that legislation is coming.
07:10Then, I am asking you,
07:12why are you not showing the people who you want to agree to this with consensus?
07:17Look, I think the party leaders have been brought on-board.
07:22This is something that should not happen.
07:25If they are not aware of this,
07:27and if they do not see this,
07:29then obviously, there are parliamentary leaders in the parties,
07:32in the house, and even otherwise,
07:34there are political leaders of the parties.
07:36So, definitely, when they say, they will vote.
07:39So, there is a high probability that the age bracket that you want to increase,
07:43due to Maulana's grievances,
07:45will not be included in this bill?
07:47Is it safe to say that?
07:49Look, what I can tell you is,
07:52definitely, these 3-4 options that I mentioned yesterday,
07:56these are definitely among those options.
07:59And if Maulana,
08:01because he has a point on this,
08:04and if he says this,
08:06then we can definitely think about this.
08:08There is nothing wrong with this.
08:10Of course, we are convincing them with a clear intention,
08:14with a good intention,
08:17on all these points.