Practice and Procedure Lana Hukoomat Ka Theek Faisla? PTI Rehnuma Umair Niazi Ki Raye Kya Hai? ?
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00:00When this law was coming, we know very well that Tariq-e-Insaaf was opposing it.
00:04You were saying that there is no problem in the law, but the time is wrong, the intention is wrong.
00:09In hindsight, do you think that bringing the practice and procedure bill was the right decision by the government at that time?
00:18Look, our opinion was not like this.
00:21The main thing to see is that the courts are an independent institution.
00:26We believe in the principle of independence of judiciary.
00:29And the law gives the power of rulemaking to the Supreme Court.
00:33Our opinion was that the Supreme Court should do its own rulemaking and devise its own process.
00:38In that, how the Supreme Court should work and how justice should be dispensed,
00:43this is not to be told by the Parliament.
00:45This has to be decided by the Supreme Court itself.
00:47If this thing is intervened from the outside, then you will definitely get important cases.
00:51But Mr. Niazi, my question is not this.
00:53My question is that in hindsight, do you think that bringing the practice and procedure bill
00:58was the right decision by the government at that time?
01:04Because now you are defending that it should not be changed further.
01:07It is very good.
01:08Three people have the power in it.
01:10No, no, I am not saying this.
01:13I am saying that this was purely the power of the Supreme Court.
01:16Their rules were present in the Supreme Court.
01:19If they could amend their rules and bring such a thing,
01:22if the Supreme Court could feel, then the Supreme Court could have done it itself.
01:25There was no need for the intervention of the government in this.
01:28And today, they are negating their own act.
01:31They are not standing on what they have brought.
01:33They themselves are thinking that what we brought was wrong.
01:36Now the need for time is something else.
01:38Because their intention is not dispensation of justice.
01:40Their intention is to control the Supreme Court.
01:43Which cases should be heard in the Supreme Court and which cases are going to come,
01:47which can disturb them, which amendments they have to take again,
01:52which can be a hindrance in their path.
01:54They are arranging to stop all these things.
01:56Right.
01:57What you just said, today Mr. Moolana Fazur Rehman did a very interesting press conference.
02:01Mr. Rana, you listen.
02:02Then I will ask you a question related to this.
02:04He said that the ordinance that has come today,
02:06the people's party and JVYF were being discussed in this regard,
02:12there will be difficulties in that.
02:14What did Mr. Moolana say?
02:16Listen to this.
02:17I have seen it in detail.
02:20They are bypassing the work that they could not do in the parliament and bringing it through the ordinance.
02:26So the ordinance will be based on injustice and there will be objections to it.
02:30When the people's party has spoken to us and we have taken their discussion seriously,
02:35and we want to agree on the package on these matters very seriously.
02:40If such an ordinance is issued by the presidency,
02:44then it is obvious that he is also the president,
02:47but he is also the co-chairman of the people's party.
02:49So he is changing the direction of his party between the people's party of Pakistan and the JVYF.
02:59Yes, Mr. Rana.
03:00With the help of Mr. Fazur Rehman, you will bring the Aynitra meme or even bypass it.
03:04Anyway, the people's party is negotiating with them.
03:07After today's ordinance, Mr. Moolana has declared it as a spoiler.
03:12He has said that if this is to be negotiated in the future, then it will have an impact on Aynitra meme.
03:21Look, we are also engaging with Mr. Moolana.
03:26The Prime Minister also met him a few days ago.
03:29And even now we understand that we have to move towards a larger consensus.
03:33We have to consult all the parties and take their advice.
03:39This is the spirit of any Aynitra meme.
03:43So we are moving in the same direction.
03:45Mr. Moolana, this is the right of the government.
03:48If PTI says that why are they bringing the ordinance,
03:52then when R. F. Albi was the president,
03:55he used to stand in front of the door with a Siddharthi peacock
03:58and the ordinances were being passed.
04:01The government now feels that we need to bring this improvement in the practice and procedure bill.
04:10And we have brought it.
04:12What is the hurry, Mr. Pirana?
04:15Because Aynitra meme also showed haste.
04:17The numbers were not complete.
04:18Now it has become a joke.
04:20Now you are seeing that all the public discourse is his.
04:23It is embarrassing for the government in front of the media.
04:28If you had such suggestions for Aynitra meme,
04:33then what is the need to bring the ordinance?
04:35Wait and build consensus.
04:37Bring the rest too.
04:39What is the hurry?
04:40It seems that there is very little time.
04:42Is there any work that you have to do before this Aynitra meme?
04:45Or you had to bring this ordinance?
04:47The Aynitra meme that we have brought is not in a hurry.
04:50If we are saying that you will not break the queue
04:53and you will not put anything in the background,
04:57then what is wrong in this?
04:59It is not that any work will go towards corruption or we will get any favor.
05:04The thing is that one thing should be done under the procedure.
05:07Here, if we are saying that there should be a transcript,
05:11then you should write it.
05:13It comes on the formation of the committee again and again, Mr. Pirana.
05:15The problem is that it seems that you have changed the committee very quickly
05:19and are expecting some special changes.
05:23The urgency does not make sense.
05:26When the homework is not complete.
05:28The government understands that the Aynitra meme is needed.
05:31We have brought the Aynitra meme.
05:33We have brought it because there is a lot of room for improvement in your judiciary.
05:38If we are in a hurry, then the result is also there.
05:42Now the government understands that we have to move towards a larger consensus.
05:46The timing of the government can be critiqued at any time.
05:50Whenever we go to do any work, you will say that it is happening quickly
05:53or the government wants to take any benefit from it.
05:56But these things are long-term.
05:59So this critique is valid at all times.
06:02The opposition can do it.
06:04Like you just asked them that this was the practice and procedure bill
06:07which you were not allowing to happen and you were criticizing it.
06:10And the reason you are telling is that they should make their own rules.
06:14While the constitution is very clear in Article 191
06:16that subject to the constitution and law, the Supreme Court may make rules.
06:21This is Article 191.
06:23So the constitution and law should be made in the parliament.
06:27And they are subject to it.
06:28Now you can twist it as you want.
06:31But the government understands that it is necessary at this time.
06:34We have brought the ordinance.
06:36If someone has an objection, someone thinks that someone's importance is going to be reduced,
06:41then the doors of the courts are open for them.
06:45The doors of the courts are open, Mr. Niazi.
06:47What are your expectations?
06:49What are your concerns?
06:51If an ordinance is being brought in this way,
06:53do you have any political objectives?
06:55Do you have any specific objectives?
06:57Political?
07:00The political objective is very clear.
07:03The review of Article 63A?
07:06The review of Article 63A?
07:08I am coming to that.
07:09The result did not come out of the three-week session.
07:12Now they want the review of Article 63A to be fixed immediately.
07:17Why should it not be fixed?
07:19Tell us why it should not be fixed.
07:21Mr. Rana, please complete it.
07:23Then I will give you a chance to answer.
07:25Carry on, Mr. Umair.
07:27Basically, the objective of Article 63A has to be achieved in some way.
07:32Whether Mr. Maulana is on board or not.
07:35Whether we break the senators from anywhere and complete those numbers.
07:38Whether we break the MPs from behind and complete them.
07:40And because of that, you have seen that the Speaker gave them breathing space first.
07:45This is all connected.