FBR Ke Paas Logon Ko Filer Bananay Ki Capacity Hi Nahi, Saddar All Pakistan Anjuman-e-Tajran
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00:00As a result of this week's high-profile strike, the business of this country has been shut down.
00:10The economic experts say that they have not seen such an impactful strike before.
00:17The problem is that there are some concerns about tax.
00:23The tax evaluation table is being revised.
00:28In addition to this, they are calling it a hooligan tax.
00:32The situation is that the data of the FPR is in front of me.
00:35And in the last year, in 2023-2024, which class has given how much tax?
00:39What does the data of the FPR tell us?
00:41The highest tax in this country is given by the salarymen, 375 billion.
00:45Then the exporters are giving 111 billion.
00:47Then the retailers are giving 34 billion.
00:49Then the real estate is giving 8 billion.
00:52And then Zaree Shobha is giving 8 billion.
00:54That is, we have seen that the retailers, real estate, Zaree Shobha, and the exporters in total,
01:00are giving less tax than the salarymen.
01:03Mr. Shahbaz Rana has made an interesting story in the Express Tribune.
01:07He says that after the protest, the government of Pakistan issued a tax return form.
01:13In which the traders were excluded from giving details of bank accounts and assets.
01:18According to the form, apart from collecting tax refunds,
01:21the traders will not be required to give details of bank accounts.
01:24But the traders want to be completely excluded.
01:26According to the source, after the successful tax return protest,
01:29the FPR seems to be in the mood to give more relief to the traders.
01:32On the other hand, according to the government source,
01:34the IMF program cannot be sabotaged.
01:36And any relief given to the traders is dependent on the approval of the IMF.
01:41According to the new scheme, the government had to collect 50 million rupees from the traders in the Rawa financial year.
01:46Which is now seen as impossible.
01:48Out of lakhs of traders, only 205 have come to the tax net.
01:53From which 5 lakhs of tax has been collected.
01:56According to Mr. Shahbaz Rana's story.
01:58How far has this matter reached?
02:00And does it seem that the government will have to step back after the protest?
02:04With us in the program is Mr. Ajmal Baloch,
02:06President of All Pakistan Anjuman Tajran.
02:07Mr. Shahbaz Rana, former chairman of FPR.
02:09He is also an expert in economics.
02:10Thank you both very much.
02:11Mr. Ajmal Baloch, let's start with you.
02:13We have already shown your objections to tax.
02:17Why don't you want to pay tax?
02:20Because generally, the sentiment in this country is that the paid class pays more tax.
02:26Whenever we try to bring the traders to the tax net, they protest.
02:30In the last government, Mr. Ismail wanted to impose tax.
02:33You got it reversed.
02:34This time you want to reverse it again.
02:36Look, there are two types of paid class.
02:39One is government and the other is non-government.
02:41Private people.
02:42Private people are paying.
02:43Government tax is paid from our tax.
02:47Some money is deducted from it for tax.
02:50Then they take 5 lakhs, 10 lakhs facilities from us.
02:53That is also a burden on us.
02:55When this trade scheme was brought,
02:58we were told that this non-filer will give 1200 rupees to bring it to the net.
03:05It will be registered.
03:06And it will file its return after a year.
03:09Like the old taxpayer, it will also become a taxpayer.
03:11We welcomed it.
03:13We gave access to the FBR.
03:16These 63,000 people who have been registered,
03:20they have been registered on our behalf.
03:22Although, in every market, they do not have the capacity to bring people to the net.
03:27It has been six months,
03:29a total of 50,000-60,000 people have been registered.
03:32We said, okay, everyone should come to the tax net.
03:37The next thing we got,
03:39when we got closer,
03:41the chairman who was leaving,
03:43we did not know,
03:44the last meeting we had with him,
03:46he said that this scheme is a valuation table.
03:51We got worried.
03:53What is a valuation table?
03:54When we saw that your property,
03:57the property belongs to the owner,
03:5999% of the tenants are inside.
04:01The DC value, the FBR value,
04:05suppose the value of a shop is one crore rupees,
04:0810% of that will be spent on income.
04:11Now, you do not get a penny for one crore rupees.
04:15The smallest shop,
04:17I do not know, the owner has an income of six lakhs.
04:19The law says that there will be no tax on it.
04:20How much tax do you want to give?
04:22We want to give on our income.
04:24Everyone is giving on their income.
04:26The thing is,
04:27it has been 25 years since I have been in this business.
04:31They have not been able to bring people to the net.
04:33It is not easy to bring people to the net.
04:35People do not come to the net.
04:37The easiest way was,
04:38the commercial meter holder,
04:41the electricity bill is a government document,
04:44he is paying an advance of 10% income tax on it.
04:48I have been asking since 2001 to register him.
04:51Send him a notice.
04:53Four and a half lakh people,
04:55to transfer the property,
04:57to sell the car,
04:58if you take the NTN,
04:59they have come out of the FBR net.
05:02Who is responsible for that?
05:03Last time, you were not even ready to give a fixed tax.
05:06No, it was not fixed.
05:07Mr. Mifta Ismail was tweeted and said,
05:09then he reversed the tax again.
05:10You do not want to give, right?
05:11No, no.
05:12You always close the tax.
05:13The government comes under pressure.
05:14No, no, no.
05:15The state does not close the income tax,
05:17so it is okay.
05:18The electricity bill,
05:19I had imposed a tax of 3000.
05:21What was that?
05:22Already,
05:23every trader,
05:2410% income tax,
05:26when it is totaled,
05:27it appears to be 16%.
05:29But 10%
05:30filer or non-filer,
05:32advance tax is being paid.
05:34They wanted to take 3000.
05:36He is giving 70,000,
05:3750,000,
05:3830,000,
05:3940,000 per year,
05:40which is non-filer.
05:41Then why were you imposing 3000 more?
05:44See,
05:45till the time,
05:46FBR,
05:47the Prime Minister comes,
05:48he says,
05:49there is a problem in FBR,
05:50we will fix FBR.
05:51No one has done it right.
05:52Sir,
05:53but the 34 billion retailers who are paying tax,
05:55is it right in proportion to your income?
05:57Because,
05:59See,
06:00I say,
06:01this is wrong.
06:02How much are they paying?
06:03How much are the retailers paying?
06:04FBR,
06:05I say,
06:061.25 crore traders.
06:07Tell me,
06:08even if a trader is sitting in Chaman,
06:11he does not know how much tax I am paying,
06:14he is still paying a tax of 30,000-40,000 per year.
06:16Sir,
06:17when you come to the tax act,
06:18you will come to know.
06:19You will be formalized.
06:20This is the problem.
06:21Actually,
06:22people,
06:23the situation is like this,
06:2470% in the country,
06:25there is a decrease in buying and selling.
06:26Except for the grocery store,
06:28and the medical store,
06:29there are no customers.
06:31When there are no customers,
06:32when there are no buyers,
06:33then what will the shopkeepers do?
06:35See,
06:36the country's landowners,
06:37industrialists,
06:38and shopkeepers,
06:39all three are so worried,
06:40all three are against the government.
06:42In such a difficult time,
06:44Mr. Shabbar Zaidi is with us,
06:46we have not gone to Corona in such a difficult time.
06:48Okay,
06:49we will talk to Mr. Shabbar Zaidi.