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"Mujhe Koi Shak Nahi Aglay Chief Justice Mansoor Ali Shah Hongay..." Bilawal Bhutto Breaks Big News
"Mujhe Koi Shak Nahi Aglay Chief Justice Mansoor Ali Shah Hongay..." Bilawal Bhutto Breaks Big News
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00:00that on 26th October 2024, Mansoor Ali Shah will be the next Chief Justice of Pakistan?
00:04I have no doubt that the next Chief Justice will be Mansoor Ali Shah.
00:08No, Mr. Bilawal, obviously, you are giving all kinds of suggestions, Gaurav,
00:11because the bill has not come yet.
00:13What I want to ask you is that
00:15on which you and the government had an agreement.
00:18Because, obviously, we are assuming, and I think rightly so,
00:21that you and the government had an agreement.
00:25That did not happen because Maulana Sahib did not agree.
00:28So, did the two of you agree on the fact that
00:31the first Chief Justice of the new Constitutional Court will be appointed?
00:33That is why I am speaking openly.
00:35Because, everywhere, the government wants that
00:38Mr. Faiz Issa should either be given an extension
00:40or he should be appointed as the Chief Justice of the new Constitutional Court.
00:42There are a few points on this which I would like to raise.
00:46One is that the input of the Pakistan People's Party
00:50in the draft of the government
00:52was in this context
00:54that we thought that Maulana Sahib is already on board
00:57and the government is already on board.
00:59It was just a matter of time for the Pakistan People's Party to agree.
01:02In that process, yes, absolutely,
01:04we made the government agree on a few things of our own
01:07and we also agreed on a few things of the government.
01:12The draft that you had,
01:16was present in the morning of that day.
01:19On that, Maulana Fazlur Rahman Sahib had a lot of objections.
01:24The Pakistan People's Party had a few objections.
01:27But, whenever you accept a part of your manifesto,
01:35then you are ready to compromise on other points, other parties.
01:40The approach that we will take now, God willing,
01:43is that the original draft of the Pakistan People's Party
01:46will be sent to Maulana Fazlur Rahman Sahib.
01:49We are waiting for him to complete his draft
01:52so that we can bring it to a consensus document.
01:55As far as the Chief Justice's initial appointment criteria are concerned,
02:01the process of Prime Minister's approval and notification,
02:10it will have to be a one-time process
02:14as to how we will start it.
02:16Going forward, obviously,
02:18we have suggested that the Chief Justice's,
02:21or the new Chief Justice who is appointed by the Constitutional Court,
02:25or a proposal can be made
02:27that you can make a system with both Chief Justices
02:31or Chief Justice and Senior Puni Judge,
02:33whatever system you want to make.
02:35The power that the Prime Minister had,
02:38according to our original constitution,
02:41according to the 1973 constitution,
02:43before the 1996 Supreme Court Judicial Order,
02:46in the time of Maulana Benazir Bhutto,
02:48who took this power from the Prime Minister
02:51to the Supreme Court,
02:54and in the era of Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry,
02:58that power went to the judges completely.
03:03So, one proposal is that it should go to the Prime Minister.
03:08But my party's opinion was that
03:10given the current political context,
03:15there can be more criticism.
03:20So we can debate on this.
03:22We can think about this.
03:24One suggestion is that
03:25you should consult with the President of Pakistan,
03:28the Chief Justice and the judges,
03:31or you should do it through the same Judicial Commission.
03:34I mean, we can talk about this.
03:36But what you are talking about
03:38and saying that this is the suggestion of the government,
03:40this is less than the suggestion of the government.
03:42According to our original constitution,
03:44this was the procedure.
03:45Sir, if I simplify this and ask,
03:47any move as a result of which
03:49a respectable judge stays in office,
03:52will not make the whole process controversial?
03:55And will you not oppose it?
03:56Because it will look like it is person-specific.
03:58Actually, I think your question is person-specific.
04:01Yes, it is actually.
04:05I totally disagree with this.
04:09I agree that there are some politicians
04:16who have a different intention.
04:19There are some other politicians
04:21who have a different intention.
04:23But the point at which the Pakistan People's Party
04:26and the JUI had a consensus on that committee
04:31was that the JUI and the PTR are not as partisan as Noondli.
04:40Therefore, perhaps we have more space to talk about
04:44a constitutional amendment or build consensus
04:47away from that controversy.
04:49I think that the constitution we make
04:52should not be person-specific.
04:55Not in terms of age,
04:57not in terms of keeping someone,
04:59and God willing, we will try our best
05:02to make that consensus.
05:05As far as Justice Faiz Issa is concerned,
05:08I think that both our current Chief Justice
05:11and the incoming Chief Justice
05:13are very respectable judicial figures.
05:16Both the judges, Justice Faiz Issa and Justice Mansoor Ali Shah,
05:20both were present in the bench
05:22for my grandfather's case.
05:25As much as I respect them,
05:28or as much as I can describe them to you,
05:31I would not like to give a perception
05:34between the two of them.
05:36I will try to keep these two people
05:39apart from each other.
05:41I will try to keep them apart from each other.
05:44And I think that it is a very sad thing
05:47that the politics of Pakistan has reached this point
05:50that we have made our Chief Justice,
05:53whether it is Justice Faiz Issa,
05:55whether it is Justice Khosa,
05:57whether it is Justice Gulzar,
05:59whether it is Saqib Nizar,
06:01whether it is Chaudhry Iftikhar,
06:03we treat them like partisan judges,
06:06rather than making a system
06:09in the whole world
06:12that is not impartial.
06:14Some because of the judiciary's own role,
06:17but some because in our politics
06:20they are not ready to accept any responsibility.
06:23They are always in the habit of blaming someone.
06:26So sir, as we speak,
06:28do you have any doubt
06:30that on 26th October 2024,
06:32Mansoor Ali Shah will be the next Chief Justice of Pakistan?
06:35I have no doubt that the next Chief Justice
06:37will be Mansoor Ali Shah.
06:39On 26th October 2024,
06:41he will take the oath of office.
06:43If you have an invitation,
06:45you will also go to the inauguration.
06:47I am neither a minister
06:49nor will I accompany my father
06:51to the inauguration,
06:53but I have no such intention.