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- Ashtar Ausaf Ali (Former Attorney General)
- Shaukat Yousafzai PTI
- Dr Farooq Sattar MQMP
Judicial Commission of Pakistan approvesappointment of six SC judges - Waseem Badami's Analysis
Swabi Rally Chaos - PTI Leader Shaukat Yousafzai Says Party Needs to Impose Discipline
Lawyers' protest against Judges appointments - President IHC Bar Riasat Ali's Big Statement
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Host:
- Waseem Badami
Guests:
- Barrister Danyal Chaudhry PMLN
- Riasat Ali Azad (Lawyer)
- Ashtar Ausaf Ali (Former Attorney General)
- Shaukat Yousafzai PTI
- Dr Farooq Sattar MQMP
Judicial Commission of Pakistan approvesappointment of six SC judges - Waseem Badami's Analysis
Swabi Rally Chaos - PTI Leader Shaukat Yousafzai Says Party Needs to Impose Discipline
Lawyers' protest against Judges appointments - President IHC Bar Riasat Ali's Big Statement
Pakistan is Becoming Stable: Barrister Daniyal Chaudhry Predicts Political End of PTI
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00:00In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, Peace be upon you.
00:18Today, in the Darul Hukumat, especially in the country,
00:21in general, the courts, the Supreme Court, judges and lawyers,
00:26this has been mentioned.
00:28What was the matter?
00:29Today, a group of the Waqala community had announced a protest.
00:33And this protest was disowned by some organizations of the Waqala community.
00:38The Pakistan Bar Council said, we have nothing to do with this.
00:40And how can they give a protest call?
00:42Only an elected body can give a protest call.
00:44The Supreme Court Bar Association also said, we have nothing to do with this.
00:47But along with that, we also saw Barrister Ittida Ahsan after a long time.
00:50We also saw Hamid Khan.
00:52We also saw Ali Ahmed.
00:53We also saw Munir Malik.
00:54You must have remembered all of them, Waqala Tehreek, Ibtekhar Chaudhry.
00:57The news started coming in last night that there will be barriers.
01:01These lawyers will not be allowed to march.
01:03And then they tried.
01:05They faced the police.
01:06There was a little clash.
01:07What was the matter?
01:09The matter was that today there was to be a hearing of the Judicial Commission in the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
01:13What does it mean?
01:14The Supreme Court of Pakistan was established on the 26th.
01:16After that, there will be 34 judges.
01:18There are still a lot of seats vacant.
01:20So, today there was to be a hearing of 8 new judges.
01:23Did it happen or not?
01:25It happened.
01:26Did it happen or not?
01:27It happened.
01:28What was the objection?
01:29The objection was that…
01:30And who all had objections?
01:32The PTI had objections.
01:33The Waqala Group had objections.
01:35Some judges of the Supreme Court had objections.
01:37And there were objections of different types.
01:39For example, there was an objection that sir, there is a lot going on regarding the 26th amendment.
01:44We have challenged the 26th amendment.
01:46Let the decision come.
01:48After that, bring new judges to the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
01:51The judges, Mansoor Ali Shah, Muneeb Akhtar and others had objections.
01:55They actually wrote it down.
01:57And in that too, they…
01:58In short, there was an objection that you should not hold this hearing.
02:02These two judges, I have named them, are part of the Judicial Commission.
02:06But anyway, the hearing of the Judicial Commission took place.
02:09And when the hearing took place, what happened?
02:11The PTI had objections.
02:12So, the two members of the PTI in the Judicial Commission, i.e. Barrister Gauhar and Ali Zafar,
02:17they boycotted the hearing.
02:19They did not sit in the hearing.
02:21They also told the reason for that.
02:23That is another matter that judges have been brought from different High Courts in Islamabad High Court.
02:28Maintaining their seniority.
02:30That is, their seniority was counted from the day when they raised objections as judges in the last High Court.
02:36And the friends of the PTI say, and the lawyers say,
02:39that no, when he came to the new court, there should be a new objection.
02:42Why is this matter important?
02:44This matter is important because the day he came to Islamabad High Court,
02:47if he raised an objection on that day,
02:49then he would not remain on the seniority list in Islamabad High Court,
02:52but he would come here.
02:54And when he comes here and does not stay here,
02:56then the chances of qualifying for Chief Justice will be reduced.
02:59But when their chances increase, the rest will be reduced.
03:01So, the story is brief that now Mohsin Akhtar Kiani was a Senior Peonate Judge of Islamabad High Court.
03:05He is no longer there.
03:06Because now Sarfaraz Sahib has come.
03:08So, these are all the matters.
03:09Anyway, the story is brief.
03:11The hearing took place.
03:12Yahya Afridi Sahib became the Chief Justice.
03:15He left the two positions of the PTI.
03:17And then the two positions of the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
03:20which are also the positions of the Judicial Commission,
03:22i.e. Mansoor Ali Shah Sahib, i.e. Munir Bakhtar Sahib,
03:25these people also did not become a part of this hearing.
03:28But in this, six judges were allowed to become judges of the Supreme Court.
03:34As I said, the number of judges was increased from 17 to 34.
03:38And after the appointment of six new judges,
03:41now the number of judges in the Supreme Court of Pakistan has increased to 22.
03:45And there are separate details about which judges came from where.
03:48And now he has become a part of the Supreme Court.
03:50In addition to this, Justice Gulhasan Aurangzeb of Islamabad High Court
03:53has also been approved to become a permanent judge in the Supreme Court.
03:57So, we have told you a lot of things by simplifying the story.
04:00But let's try to talk to the lawyers with different thoughts.
04:04And in simple words, know the answers to some questions.
04:08Question number one.
04:09This divide is clearly visible in the lawyer community,
04:13and in the judges of the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
04:16and also in the Bar and Bench.
04:18What will be the solution to this?
04:20Question number two.
04:21Will this lawyer movement be able to run in the same way
04:24as the previous lawyer movement?
04:26Because there is a lot of difference in this matter and in this matter.
04:29In that matter and in this matter.
04:30Right now, the representative bodies of the lawyers,
04:32there are objections against them, but they are openly opposing
04:35that they have nothing to do with us.
04:37And there are a lot of other questions related to this.
04:39We have with us one of the senior lawyers of Pakistan,
04:44and of course, he is the Chief Legal Advisor of the State of Pakistan,
04:47the Attorney General of Pakistan.
04:48So, Mr. Ashtar Osaf has also been on that position.
04:52We have with us Mr. Barrister Daniyal Chaudhary,
04:55who is again the Parliamentary Secretary of Information and Broadcasting,
04:58and is representing the government.
04:59There are a lot of allegations and questions being raised against the government.
05:01And we have with us, again very relevant,
05:03the President of Islamabad High Court Bar Association.
05:06Who has also objected today.
05:08Mr. Riyasat Ali Azad.
05:10I am very thankful to all three distinguished guests.
05:13With the permission of the other two,
05:14I would like to ask Mr. Riyasat,
05:15Huzoor, thank you very much for giving us time.
05:18First of all, tell us,
05:19did you overturn today's objection?
05:23What happened before today?
05:25And with today's objection,
05:27obviously, you will say,
05:28I will ask if you are satisfied or not.
05:30But what happened according to the schedule,
05:32or was it overturned quickly?
05:34Mr. Riyasat.
05:36Mr. Badami,
05:37first of all, I would like to say,
05:39that what you were saying,
05:41that the Pakistan Bar Council has said,
05:43that they were non-elected people,
05:45who gave this call.
05:46First of all, let me clear this for you.
05:48Yes, yes.
05:49There are five Bar Councils in Pakistan.
05:52Out of which,
05:53Balochistan Bar Council's Vice-Chairman,
05:57Rai Balidi Sahib.
05:59Sindh Bar Council's Vice-Chairman,
06:01Kashif Sahib.
06:03Islamabad Bar Council's Vice-Chairman,
06:05Nasir Qiani Sahib.
06:06Out of these five,
06:08three people from the Bar Council,
06:10were included in our objection.
06:13So, first of all,
06:14let us clear one thing,
06:15that the majority is on that side,
06:16or the majority is on this side.
06:17Number one.
06:18Second, we did not say...
06:19So, you are saying,
06:20that out of the five Bar Councils,
06:21three of them are with you.
06:23Yes.
06:24Let us clear this.
06:25Yes.
06:26So, those who are propagating this,
06:27let us clarify this.
06:28Yes, I did not say this,
06:29that the Pakistan Bar Council
06:30and the Supreme Court Bar Association
06:31are not together.
06:32They said this.
06:33You see,
06:34the Pakistan Bar Council
06:35is a regulatory body of Pakistan.
06:37Okay?
06:38But below that,
06:39there are five regulatory bodies,
06:41Bar Councils.
06:42Okay?
06:43Out of those,
06:44this is the third one.
06:45Okay.
06:46Now, the biggest bar in Asia,
06:48that is the Lahore High Court Bar,
06:50or it can be called the Lahore Bar Association,
06:53the President of that,
06:54the President of the High Court,
06:55and the President of the Lahore Bar Association,
06:57were with us.
06:58And apart from this,
06:59the President of the Karachi Bar Association,
07:02the President of the Malir Bar Association,
07:04and the President of the Hyderabad Bar Association,
07:06were far away from us.
07:07Similarly,
07:08the Islamabad District Bar Association,
07:10the Islamabad Bar Council,
07:11and the High Court Bar Association,
07:13of Balochistan,
07:14and many other district bars,
07:15are with us.
07:16So, you should not say that
07:18we are in the minority,
07:20we are in the majority.
07:21This should also be clarified.
07:22Riaz, we are brothers.
07:23Tell me,
07:24when did I say that you are in the minority?
07:26Tell me, when did I say that?
07:27No,
07:28in the intro,
07:29you gave such an impression.
07:30How was it?
07:31I said,
07:32I repeat,
07:33a group of lawyers protested,
07:35which was disowned by the Pakistan Bar Council
07:37and the Supreme Court Bar Association.
07:39Tell me,
07:40what did I say technically wrong?
07:41Okay,
07:42I will second what you said,
07:44and move on.
07:45Badami,
07:46my next point is that
07:47we read in the law,
07:49and in the judiciary,
07:50that
07:51work that cannot be direct,
07:53cannot be indirect.
07:57So,
07:58you should see all these things,
08:00that
08:01what you asked for in the Supreme Court,
08:03that
08:04the 26th amendment,
08:05which is pending,
08:06I don't know,
08:0730-35
08:08constitutional petitions,
08:09should be decided first,
08:11and then the Judicial Commission should be held.
08:13If you want to pack the Supreme Court
08:16and put our petition in the full court,
08:18then it is of no use.
08:19That is why today we protested
08:20that it should be deferred.
08:22Today,
08:23we protested to this extent.
08:25We did not take a hasty decision.
08:27We protested to this extent.
08:29We have postponed it,
08:31with the condition that
08:33when our 26th amendment petition
08:35will be fixed in the Supreme Court,
08:37then today all the elected bodies
08:39have announced that
08:41there will be a long march,
08:43and all the bar associations in Pakistan,
08:45at that time,
08:46again,
08:47outside the Supreme Court,
08:48on Constitution Avenue,
08:49we will come to protest.
08:51You see,
08:52today,
08:53we say that
08:55why is all this being done?
08:57Under Article 181,
08:59you have put a temporary judge
09:01in the Supreme Court.
09:02Today,
09:03there was a hearing of the Judicial Commission.
09:05You have appointed all the judges
09:07in the Supreme Court.
09:09Confirmed judges.
09:10Why did you take a temporary judge?
09:12If this was necessary,
09:14then you should have taken
09:16another confirmed judge from among them.
09:18You have reopened the Penora Box.
09:20Then,
09:21under Article 200,
09:23why did you take a temporary judge?
09:25In this,
09:26we,
09:27till now,
09:28this picture,
09:29Badami,
09:30will be clear to you.
09:31We understand this.
09:32I don't know,
09:33Mr. Golasan,
09:34whether he will go
09:35or not.
09:36We don't even know this.
09:37Because,
09:38in the Supreme Court,
09:39in Islamabad High Court,
09:40the panel of three seniors,
09:42for the Chief Justice,
09:44which is provided in the 26th amendment,
09:46Article 175A,
09:49maybe to disturb that,
09:51or there could be some other scheme.
09:53Many things will be revealed in the future.
09:55But,
09:56under Article 200,
09:58you have brought a judge
10:00in Islamabad,
10:01who is not a judge of Islamabad High Court.
10:03His oath is different.
10:05We demanded that
10:06the judge who takes the oath,
10:07will become a junior.
10:09Then,
10:10the malafide is that
10:11he is a senior judge
10:12from Mr. Mohsin Akhtar Qaini
10:13for three months.
10:14You appointed the same judge
10:15in Islamabad High Court.
10:17And because,
10:18in the 26th amendment,
10:19you have blocked the way
10:20of Syed Mansoor Ali Shah.
10:21And now,
10:22by transferring this posting,
10:24whose article,
10:25in Article 200,
10:26you have told me,
10:27that this posting is temporary,
10:29permanent,
10:30for how long,
10:31in this,
10:32there is a Supreme...
10:33India...
10:34I will only refer to one judgment.
10:36A.I.R. 1994,
10:39page number 268.
10:41It is an Indian judgment,
10:42in which it was held,
10:43that only the judge,
10:44because of this,
10:45you can transfer the posting,
10:47that for dispensation,
10:48for dispensation of justice,
10:49for the administration of justice,
10:51in the larger interest of public,
10:53you can transfer it.
10:54Tell us,
10:55Islamabad was supposed
10:56to remain smooth.
10:57What was the need?
10:58A.I.R. 1994, page number 268.
10:59First of all,
11:00you have raised a lot of questions.
11:01Now,
11:02I want to hear the opinion
11:03of the government and Mr. Akhtar,
11:04as an analyst,
11:05as a senior lawyer.
11:06Let's take it quickly.
11:07Mr. Daniyal,
11:08first of all,
11:09tell us,
11:10isn't there a lot in this,
11:11in which you can say,
11:12that,
11:13in the book,
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19:59will have confidence in the court. When fights start inside the court,
20:04when the lines of the letters start, when it is said that this should not be done, that should not be done,
20:10I have seen for the first time that there is a protest that judges should not be appointed.
20:16It should be that you protest that why are judges not being appointed?
20:21And why is there such a low budget in your justice delivery system?
20:28It should be that you spend more money on health, education and justice delivery system.
20:36There is no such budget here.
20:38Sir, but the thing is that a lot of things seem to be missing to achieve a target.
20:42Under this logic, if Mr. Iftikhar Tohri is removed, then it should not be said that
20:46an executive had the authority, he removed him, the Chief Justice should have a reference.
20:50There should not be a talk on Mr. Faiz Ishaq that he is a judge,
20:52the government has the authority to send a reference.
20:54What happened in this? It's okay, but okay.
20:56But if all these things become part of the discussion and become part of the political debate,
21:01then the reasons for it are that someone is trying to achieve another move by making one move.
21:06For example, at that time, the Prime Minister was on record that yes,
21:09the establishment at that time told me to remove Mr. Faiz Ishaq, so I did it.
21:12So, these things open up later.
21:14So, was the Prime Minister not so helpless that he had to do this on someone's request?
21:26So, my point is that this should not even be a part of the discussion.
21:36I will tell you.
21:55A target is being set for your entire system.
21:59It is being told to everyone that no institution in your country is working properly.
22:07And everything is becoming a cause of corruption.
22:11Now I will tell you, there is a solution to this.
22:13What is the solution?
22:16You should tell the parliamentarians that your work is only legislation.
22:24Let the executive matters be executive.
22:28The work of development should not be your responsibility.
22:32And the judiciary should decide on people's cases,
22:37and not intermingle in executive functions or legislative functions.
22:43And why don't we talk about competitive way of judging judges?
22:52Why don't we look that way and go that way?
22:55You have seen how much polarization there is.
22:58And who is at a loss from this? The country.
23:01Thank you very much, Mr. Ashtar Usaad.
23:05Sir, please conclude this.
23:07Because I want to talk to Mr. Daniyal about politics.
23:10Mr. Riyasat, please comment on this.
23:13He himself is saying that he is not a lawyer.
23:16He is just a group of lawyers who are protesting.
23:19You are smiling.
23:21Mr. Daniyal is a very dear brother of mine.
23:23Let me tell him a little bit.
23:25He has said that judges are being put in the Supreme Court because of delay justice and deny justice.
23:30When this 26th amendment came, there were 187 cases.
23:34All the benches of the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court itself is a constitutional court.
23:40All the matters there are constitutional.
23:42So, you made a bench and put 60,000 cases in it.
23:48So, where did that delay justice go?
23:51Secondly, my brother said that we gave this 26th amendment,
23:55which was the 1973 amendment.
23:57It was a unanimous amendment.
24:00The bar council kept shouting.
24:02A province kept shouting.
24:04This was not a unanimous amendment.
24:06You damaged the federation.
24:08Secondly, my brother said that Islamabad High Court is a federal high court.
24:12And it does not have the status of a province.
24:14Let me rectify my brother here a little bit.
24:17In 1981, by virtue of presidential order,
24:22this district of Islamabad was made.
24:25And its status is of a province.
24:28And it can be a high court in a province,
24:30but it cannot be a high court in a district.
24:32Thirdly, my brother said that...
24:34I am not talking about the status of Islamabad High Court,
24:36I am talking about the status of the protest.
24:38My brother also washed our Islamabad for the protest.
24:44My vice chairman...
24:46He is saying that Islamabad is a federal high court.
24:48No, Islamabad High Court is an ICT, not a federal high court.
24:54But let's go ahead.
24:56Look, the president of Islamabad High Court was present.
24:59The president of the district bar was present.
25:01The vice chairman of the Islamabad Bar Council was present here.
25:05Who else was not in this protest?
25:07My brother said that people did not leave from here.
25:10People came from Sindh.
25:12By bus, by road.
25:14You saw, if we were so few,
25:16then why did you cut off the red zone?
25:18Even a bird could not go there.
25:20If we were so few,
25:22what were you afraid of?
25:23You put so many police and police.
25:25And if we were so few,
25:27then why did you need a stick charge?
25:29You could have opened it.
25:31This gives you the right to the law.
25:33Article 15 gives you.
25:3516 gives you.
25:3617 gives you.
25:37Chapter 1 also deprived us of that right.
25:40Which law and law gives you permission
25:42to use a stick charge on a person?
25:44My point is that at this time,
25:48credit goes to this government
25:50that they have made Islamabad High Court
25:52and the Supreme Court of India
25:54controversial.
25:56If they think that
25:58we are doing it with a very good policy,
26:00then the judgment of July 12,
26:02which has not been implemented even today,
26:04which is under Article 189,
26:06that the judgment of the Supreme Court
26:08is binding upon all the institutions,
26:10where did it die?
26:12Tell us, if it is a good policy,
26:14if you want to give the rule of law
26:16to this country with a good policy,
26:18then why did you need to do all this?
26:20Mr. Riaz, I am taking a break.
26:22You are adamant that
26:24you think that all this action
26:26that took place at Islamabad High Court
26:28will not make you Chief Justice Mohsin,
26:30but the ones who have been transferred
26:32will become Chief Justice Sarfaraz.
26:34Are you adamant?
26:36Mr. Riaz, are you adamant
26:38that Sarfaraz will also become Chief Justice?
26:42In my personal opinion,
26:44this whole transfer thing
26:46was done because of this.
26:48It was done because
26:50Mr. Mohsin Akhtar Kiani
26:52did not want to make him Chief Justice.
26:54Okay, let's take a break.
26:56Mr. Daniyal, you were not with us
26:58so that we can have a political discussion.
27:00Mr. Riaz, thank you very much.
27:14I am happy to be with you.
27:16Mr. Shaukat Yusufzai is with us.
27:18I would like to thank Mr. Shaukat Yusufzai
27:20of Pakistan Jareeq-e-Insaf,
27:22who is a senior lawyer.
27:24Mr. Shaukat, were you with us?
27:26Mr. Shaukat, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
27:28Mr. Yusufzai, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
27:30Wa-alaikum-salam.
27:32Sir, thank you very much
27:34for your time.
27:36Mr. Yusufzai,
27:38what is the PTA going to do
27:40after the Sohabi Jalsa?
27:42In this context,
27:44you said that the Sohabi Jalsa
27:46was very successful
27:48and you are satisfied with it.
27:50But you also said that
27:52if some people use the party
27:54for cheap publicity,
27:56then there should be
27:58immediate action against them.
28:00So, this is a big misconception.
28:02What are you talking about?
28:04Are you talking about one or two individuals?
28:06Because you are calling the Jalsa successful.
28:08So, what is the matter?
28:10No, my point is that
28:12the PTA has become very big.
28:14There are a lot of youth
28:16in the party.
28:18And,
28:20when Imran Khan used to be there,
28:22he used to watch it.
28:24But now he is in jail.
28:26So, all our leadership,
28:28I personally suggested
28:30that they should also look
28:32at the matter of discipline
28:34because the Jalsa was very disorganized
28:36on the stage.
28:38A lot of people were on the stage
28:40and the guests were standing.
28:42So, in this regard, I said
28:44that this should not be
28:46just a speech,
28:48but a discipline.
28:50This should be removed
28:52because now the party is so big
28:54that this time
28:56we did not give
28:58cars to the workers
29:00or money to arrange
29:02cars for ourselves.
29:04And it was such a big Jalsa
29:06that all the people you saw
29:08were outsiders.
29:10So, people and workers
29:12have emotions.
29:14So, a little mismanagement
29:16does not give a good impression.
29:18So, I said in that context.
29:20Sir, tell us
29:22what is your opinion
29:24on this in the party?
29:26Because when Mr. Marwat
29:28came during Mr. Salman's speech,
29:30there was a disturbance.
29:32On one hand, the party issued
29:34a show-cause to Mr. Marwat,
29:36and on the other hand,
29:38the strongest man of the party,
29:40Mr. Imran Khan,
29:42is sitting with him
29:44as if he is a senior leader.
29:46They stand together during the speech
29:48and make slogans
29:50before the speech.
29:52So, what is this?
29:54I have no problem
29:56with Mr. Marwat
29:58because he is my class fellow
30:00and I have always wished
30:02to give him advice.
30:04So, I told him
30:06to control himself.
30:08This is a very big party
30:10and this happens in many parties.
30:12No one tries to ignore it.
30:14But definitely, it happens
30:16at such occasions.
30:18Who asks us
30:20when we go on stage?
30:22We see the place and sit down.
30:24I don't think
30:26the party will have to
30:28come towards
30:30a little discipline.
30:32Mr. Gauhar
30:34and Mr. Junaid
30:36are very decent people.
30:38But one thing is that
30:40Mr. Junaid will bring
30:42discipline.
30:44As far as I know.
30:46He is an old member of the party.
30:48It is possible that Mr. Gauhar
30:50will take care of him
30:52because he is a senior.
30:54But I don't think Mr. Junaid
30:56will take care of him.
30:58He will definitely bring
31:00discipline.
31:02There are a lot of people
31:04with us.
31:06Let me ask Mr. Daniyal.
31:08Mr. Daniyal,
31:10he said that
31:12he will go home
31:14on 8th.
31:16But Mr. Junaid has also said
31:18that if we don't find a solution,
31:20we will come to Islamabad
31:22and do a long march.
31:24The situation with the establishment
31:26is looking bad.
31:28Earlier, Mr. Khan
31:30tweeted
31:32that the situation
31:34with the establishment
31:36is very bad.
31:38If they don't find a solution,
31:40they will come to Islamabad.
31:42How many times
31:44will this happen on 26th?
31:46Can the state afford it?
31:48Mr. Badami,
31:50in reality,
31:52this Jamaat
31:54has been formed
31:56on the basis of hatred.
31:58This is the only thing
32:00that can unite people.
32:02Sometimes it is against institutions,
32:04sometimes against provinces,
32:06sometimes against the country
32:08and sometimes it uses something else.
32:10Now, their political death
32:12is that today Pakistan is getting stable.
32:14Their political death
32:16is that the money is getting stable.
32:18Their political death
32:20is that for the past one and a half years,
32:22Pakistan has been saying that
32:24the growth of the economy
32:26is 4.5% or 4.8%.
32:28In terms of inflation,
32:30is it 10% or 12%?
32:32Is the inflation
32:34in the single digit
32:36or is it coming?
32:38All these things are the success
32:40of our government and their political death.
32:42When they see their death,
32:44because they have given the call
32:46to civil disobedience,
32:48to close the country,
32:50they have played all their cards,
32:52so now they have nothing left.
32:54They have been caught by Gurban
32:56and they have been caught by NRO.
32:58Now, as long as they have not made
33:00any mistake,
33:02they will bring such statements
33:04every day.
33:06The answer to this is that
33:08if there are so few people with us,
33:10then why do you close the entire
33:12Pakistani container?
33:14Let us be exposed.
33:16Mr. Badami,
33:18when we removed the containers
33:20from Pakistan,
33:22we gave them permission to sit.
33:24We agreed with them,
33:26but they came to D-Chowk
33:28to pick up the bodies.
33:30We put a comma,
33:32a dot, everything with their agreement,
33:34but they also ran away
33:36from the backtrack.
33:38Their success is that
33:40Pakistan is weak.
33:42Their success is that
33:44there is anarchy in Pakistan.
33:46Their success is that
33:48you talk about lawlessness
33:50and corruption every day.
33:52Look, we are sitting there
33:54with the money of the taxpayers.
33:56So, it would be better
33:58if we discuss their issues
34:00in the parliament every day.
34:02We should take the constructive
34:04discussion forward.
34:06We should talk about issues related.
34:08We should talk about the
34:10water crisis in the coming days.
34:12What is the solution to that?
34:14What is the solution to climate change?
34:16How will we send the people
34:18outside the TAFTA institutes?
34:20But every day, we throw
34:22iron bars at them.
34:24Every day, we throw the opposition
34:26papers at them.
34:28We also go to the speaker
34:30to send our names for foreign trips.
34:32We also say that we will boycott.
34:34We also say that our names
34:36should be written in our local trips.
34:38We also say that we are not ready
34:40to talk to the government,
34:42but we also say that we need
34:44this vehicle.
34:46But how will the issue
34:48go forward?
34:50Mr. Shaukat, I remember
34:52when the negotiations
34:54started and when people
34:56were not saying anything,
34:58you said in our program
35:00that these people
35:02are like ghosts
35:04and they will not listen to us.
35:06Negotiations will fail
35:08and we will treat them on the streets.
35:10And when you talk to them
35:12they become lions.
35:14And when you protest,
35:16they become cats.
35:18You said that when no one
35:20was saying anything.
35:22Now the negotiations
35:24have failed.
35:26Now it is the same issue
35:28on the streets.
35:30We are political people.
35:32We talk about political struggle.
35:34Whatever their desires,
35:36whether it is a minister
35:38or in a high position or a low position,
35:40they have their own words.
35:42But I think that
35:44they talk about performance.
35:46The rupee has become stable.
35:48The loan has become stable.
35:50They say that there is a
35:52shortage in inflation.
35:54Then why did China become expensive?
35:56This is their performance.
35:58And the politics of corpses.
36:00You tell me that we have
36:02done the politics of corpses.
36:04Then make a judicial commission.
36:06Why are you not making it?
36:08You make a police force.
36:10Then you start shilling.
36:12What happened with Waqla today?
36:14Was he also a terrorist?
36:16This is a sign of fear.
36:18The government is so scared.
36:20What is there in Dheer Chowk?
36:22Is there any gold buried there?
36:24What is there that someone will take it?
36:28Mr. Daniyal,
36:30what is the way ahead?
36:32Tell me.
36:34You have a conflict with the government
36:36and you feel that it is increasing.
36:38How will you find a way out?
36:40Look,
36:42Mr. Khan has given the way out.
36:44He has written two letters.
36:46He has not asked anything for himself.
36:48He has said that
36:50whatever you are doing is not right.
36:52Look, people are being cheated.
36:54In the name of economy.
36:56The economy is getting better.
36:58Everything is getting better.
37:00Inflation is decreasing.
37:02Tell me that
37:04how many prices have decreased?
37:06The price of one rupee has not decreased.
37:08Obviously, when it comes to decreasing inflation,
37:10the rate of increase
37:12is decreasing.
37:14It does not mean that
37:16a thing worth 100 rupees is not worth 80 rupees.
37:18If a thing worth 100 rupees has increased by 20 rupees last year
37:20and this year it has increased by 10 rupees,
37:22then it is a decrease in inflation.
37:24It does not mean that a thing worth 100 rupees is not worth 80 rupees.
37:26The people, Mr. Abadani,
37:28have to talk straight.
37:30In your time, you used to say that
37:32when inflation has decreased,
37:34it means that.
37:36Listen to me.
37:38How long has it been?
37:40Even before that,
37:42Shahbaz Sharif was the Prime Minister.
37:44Then he came again.
37:46Tell me one thing.
37:48Why did he come?
37:50He said that we will end inflation.
37:52Imran Khan has brought inflation.
37:54On this basis, he ended the government.
37:56From that time till today,
37:58torture has been imposed on the people.
38:00He was going towards default.
38:02We saved the country.
38:04You saved it. That's why you have the people.
38:06You don't have the people.
38:08You made a fake mandate and made a government.
38:10You say that we are correcting Pakistan.
38:12With a fake mandate,
38:14can Pakistan's population be corrected?
38:16Or can Pakistan's economy be corrected?
38:18Who trusts you?
38:20This is known to the whole world.
38:22The IMF has taken a loan of 27,000 Arabs
38:24by April 2022.
38:26And now
38:28they are running away.
38:30They are saying that
38:32they have come to Pakistan with a vision.
38:34Tell me about them.
38:36What will be your solution?
38:38Thank you very much.
38:40Thank you very much.
38:42Thank you very much.
38:44This is our place.
38:46But for PTI,
38:48there is no solution.
38:50It seems that Pakistan has gone
38:52to a dead end.
38:54Moving on.
38:56Let's move on.
38:58Let's talk about Karachi.
39:00There was a lot of talk
39:02about the United National Movement.
39:04There was a lot of talk about
39:06the leadership of the United National Movement.
39:08There was a lot of talk about
39:10the spread of the movement.
39:12Karachi has its own problems.
39:14There was a traffic accident
39:16a while ago.
39:18I don't know what is happening.
39:20But in this situation,
39:22there are a lot of differences
39:24in Karachi.
39:26There are a lot of differences
39:28in Karachi.
39:30I would like to talk to
39:32Farooq Sattar,
39:34who is the senior leader
39:36of the United National Movement.
39:38Peace be upon you.
39:40Peace be upon you.
39:42Sir, thank you very much
39:44for giving Farooq Sattar time.
39:46There is a lot of talk
39:48about the differences
39:50in Karachi.
39:52Khalid Mabooz Siddiqui
39:54is the chairman of Karachi.
39:56What is your position
39:58in Karachi, Farooq Sattar?
40:00If Khalid Mabooz Siddiqui
40:02is the convener
40:04and equivalent to chairman,
40:06then Mustafa Kamal
40:08is the senior deputy convener
40:10and vice-chairman.
40:12I am the senior deputy convener
40:14and vice-chairman.
40:16Nasreen Jalil is the senior
40:18vice-chairperson.
40:20I am the senior deputy convener
40:22and vice-chairperson.
40:24Mustafa Kamal has said
40:26that there is only one position
40:28of the chairman in the party
40:30and there is no other position after that.
40:32The contact committee was dismissed
40:34and the central committee
40:36was born out of it.
40:38A central cabinet will be born
40:40out of the body of the central committee.
40:42It has been nine months.
40:44A new human being can be born
40:46in nine months,
40:48but the central cabinet
40:50has not been born yet.
40:52But they also understand
40:54that the division of work
40:56is more important.
40:58The division of power is more important.
41:00The work and the way of work
41:02of the various departments
41:04matter.
41:06If Amin ul Haq
41:08is in the cabinet
41:10and is in the central committee,
41:12then he is the secretary
41:14of the department of information.
41:16In the same way,
41:18if you look at the treasury,
41:20Rizwan Babar
41:22is the secretary
41:24of the committee
41:26and is in charge of the administration.
41:28All these things are there.
41:30But what is the reason?
41:32The central committee
41:34has not been formed yet.
41:36Why was this not possible?
41:38What was the reason?
41:40I think
41:42it is possible
41:44that our meetings
41:46were not so regular
41:48because of the challenges
41:50and the commitments of Islamabad.
41:52Khalid Bhai
41:54has two ministries.
41:56At the policy level,
41:58we did not get the 26th amendment.
42:00We spent a whole month
42:02on it.
42:04If we take all these things
42:06and look at the names
42:08of these departments,
42:10call it by whatever name,
42:12they are all important
42:14in their own places.
42:16This is the main objection.
42:18You said that
42:20there are two ministries
42:22in the party.
42:24Both of them are under
42:26Khalid Mujtaba Siddiqui.
42:28There is one department in the party
42:30under Khalid Mujtaba Siddiqui.
42:32There is a lot of delay.
42:34Because of the one-man show,
42:36the party is traveling.
42:38Either it is the responsibility
42:40of the party or the ministry
42:42to run the party.
42:44The objection can be that
42:46if they have the authority
42:48or if they assume
42:50that they have the authority,
42:52then they use it
42:54less or more.
42:56That is why it was considered
42:58appropriate.
43:00People should take care
43:02of their own responsibilities.
43:04They say that
43:06responsibility without authority
43:08is not for an effective governance.
43:10If we have to
43:12improve our work,
43:14our work, our delivery,
43:16our political, economic,
43:18and development activities,
43:20and give back-up to our party,
43:22then I think this is more important.
43:24And I think
43:26even if we call it isolation,
43:28it was only about
43:30the division of work.
43:32There was a way
43:34that the consultation would have been done earlier.
43:36Or Khalid bhai proposed
43:38and gave it to
43:40the central committee group.
43:42Eight people agreed
43:44that this was the right thing to do.
43:46We should start working on it.
43:48I had some objections.
43:50I wish the objections would have come
43:52at the same time.
43:54All is well that ends well.
43:56The past is in the past.
43:58We have to look ahead.
44:00Yesterday, we had a very successful
44:02meeting with MPs, MNIs, CIDCL,
44:04to see the speed of progress.
44:06Whether it is K4,
44:08the work that is being done,
44:10we will give 26 crore gallons of water
44:12to Karachi next year.
44:14We will reduce the electricity bill
44:16by 10 rupees.
44:18You are saying that all the differences
44:20are in the past.
44:22There will be no such episode
44:24where there is a conflict
44:26or a riot.
44:28Nothing like that will happen.
44:30The spirit of Marjan
44:32is unity and diversity.
44:34There can be different thoughts
44:36and different ways of working.
44:38The path can be different.
44:40But everyone has one goal.
44:42That is to meet the expectations
44:44of the people.
44:46To save the political capital
44:48and credit that is being consumed
44:50by the people.
44:52We have to tell them
44:54that the genuine political
44:56and ideological actions
44:58of the middle class
45:00and educated people
45:02are being conducted.
45:04The situation will not
45:06be the same again.
45:08Are you sure about it?
45:10I am 100% sure that
45:12the situation will not be the same again.
45:14The basic principle
45:16that everyone has agreed
45:18on,
45:20the 11 members
45:22of the Central Committee
45:24have agreed on
45:26and will be reinforced
45:28the next day.
45:30You are 100% sure
45:32Thank you very much.
46:02We will meet tomorrow.
46:04Allah Hafiz.