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- Barrister Aqeel Malik PMLN
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Why was a show-cause notice issued to Zain Qureshi? - Shoaib Shaheen Told Everything

27th constitutional amendment - What is the reason for new amendment?

Why was Justice Yahya Afridi chosen as CJP instead of Justice Mansoor Ali Shah?

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00:00In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
00:09Today, Chief Justice of Pakistan has taken the oath.
00:16Justice Yaya Afridi has taken the oath and has been appointed as the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
00:23Before this, as a result of the 26th amendment, there were a lot of rumours about the Chief Justice.
00:32There was a big tug of war between the opposition and the government.
00:36In the opposition, especially between Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf and the government.
00:40But the 26th amendment has come and as a result,
00:43as a result of Justice Yaya, Maulana Fazlur Rehman says that these are ordinary speeches.
00:50This becomes a big issue in our country. Listen.
00:54It is an ordinary system. One goes and another comes.
00:57I don't know why these changes are presented as ordinary in our country.
01:01There were 56 clauses that the government had presented in the first amendment.
01:05Now there are 22. We have put 5 in it.
01:08Whatever we have done, we have done as a team.
01:11It was a government, we were the opposition.
01:13Therefore, we are still in the opposition and we will continue to be in the opposition.
01:17I don't know about my future. You are the PTI.
01:48The 27th amendment and some military quotes etc.
01:53Rana Sinhaullah has said something very important. Listen to that.
01:56The 27th amendment had the demands of some parties
02:04about which the Prime Minister has promised that we will look at it later.
02:10One is the MQM.
02:11They want an amendment regarding the local governments.
02:17Military quotes will also be included in it.
02:19There can be a discussion on this.
02:20Look, there has been a lot of propaganda against military quotes.
02:23It has been said that military quotes are being made because
02:26Imran Khan will be trialled in it.
02:28Ordinary people, civilians will be prosecuted in it.
02:31Although this is not the case.
02:33The matter is that now you see that the people who are in the ex-FATA area,
02:37in KPK and in Balochistan,
02:39those people who remove people from the buses,
02:42check their identification cards and kill people,
02:45when the whole nation is asked to be presented in the court of justice,
02:50you will tell me which court of justice is there.
02:53If there is no military quote there,
02:56then there is no civilian court of justice who is not ready to go.
03:00So who will be presented there?
03:01So there is such a discussion.
03:04If there is consensus on it, then it will be done.
03:07Today, there are some things that Mr. Rana has clarified,
03:11especially in relation to military quotes.
03:13Because there was an impression that a blanket cover will be given to military quotes.
03:17This was important, but one day before,
03:19Maulana Fazlur Rehman has made it very clear that
03:22we will not support the 27th amendment in any way.
03:27And without Maulana's support, the 26th amendment could not have been implemented.
03:30What did Maulana say yesterday?
03:33Mr. Rana, the 27th amendment is also going to be implemented.
03:36It could not be implemented, but God willing, it will be fully implemented.
03:39This is not an easy task.
03:42So now the promise that the government had made to its ally MQM,
03:45where will it stand?
03:47This is also an important question.
03:48On the other hand, according to Mr. Rana Sanaullah,
03:52after the 26th amendment,
03:54a path that was a way to weaken the governments has been closed.
03:59Which path was it?
04:01Mr. Rana, what do you think, what has changed after the 26th amendment?
04:07The recent amendment, which is called the 26th amendment,
04:12has also created hope.
04:16In fact, it is certain that Pakistan will not be targeted by the same paths
04:22that were targeted before.
04:26Strong governments, functional governments,
04:29the doors that were destabilized by the thieves,
04:32now those doors have also been closed.
04:35We have with us Barista Aqeel Malik,
04:38PMLN's leader.
04:40Thank you very much, Mr. Barista, for joining us.
04:42Mr. Shoaib Shaheen is with us.
04:44He is the leader of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
04:46Both of them are lawyers.
04:47At this time, politics and legalities were in a tug of war.
04:52After the 26th amendment,
04:54whether it will be right or not,
04:56or whether it will get more complicated,
04:58this is an important question to discuss.
05:00Barista Aqeel, you said in my program that
05:02if the 26th amendment is not passed, it will be passed.
05:05It has been passed.
05:07But in that duration of time,
05:09how much you had to struggle,
05:12how much you had to struggle,
05:14whose failure is this?
05:16Thank you very much, Ms. Anika.
05:19I said in your program that
05:21Mr. Rana will stand in the right direction of history.
05:25And he will be with us.
05:27And you saw that it happened in the same way.
05:29I said in the same way that the 26th amendment will be passed.
05:32And it was passed.
05:33You also saw that.
05:35When the first attempt was made,
05:37I think there was a broader consensus.
05:40And I have no shame in saying this.
05:42At that time, we were not able to reach a broader consensus.
05:46And there is no failure in this.
05:49The government and its allies were together.
05:52And this is the essence of the Charter of Democracy.
05:55Your constitutional benches, your constitutional courts,
05:57and call it what you may.
05:59As Mr. Bilawal said,
06:01a rose by any other name is still a rose.
06:03And right now, you can see this.
06:06A thorn by any other name is also a thorn.
06:09That's true.
06:11Is this a thorn or is this a rose?
06:13This is a rose.
06:15Wow, he is smiling.
06:17I think they are feeling the thorns.
06:21We are feeling like flowers.
06:23Even if you go to the opposition,
06:25you will still feel like a flower.
06:27I don't think so.
06:29Look, the thing is,
06:31will you call this a amendment?
06:33Was this with a free mind?
06:35And sitting all night,
06:37those who didn't study,
06:39those who didn't know what democracy was,
06:41were made to wake up and put their thumbs up.
06:43Will you call this democracy?
06:45Mr. Zain Qureshi has given his statement
06:47as the Deputy Parliamentary Leader.
06:49He wasn't even there.
06:51His family is making sacrifices for PTI.
06:55Why did you give him a show-cause notice?
06:57Look, giving a show-cause notice doesn't mean
06:59that we threw him out of the party.
07:01Or that we proved his allegation.
07:03It's a matter of insult, right?
07:05His father has been in jail for so long.
07:07His sister is doing a lot of work.
07:09If he wanted to go, he would have gone long ago.
07:11He has a lot of respect for Mr. Zain Qureshi.
07:13But if his son...
07:15He still has respect for him.
07:17Unless proved guilty,
07:19every person is innocent.
07:21Now, it's not our problem
07:23whether he voted or not.
07:25It's not our problem
07:27that he was in the news,
07:29in the newspapers,
07:31sitting in the background.
07:33It's not our problem
07:35that he wasn't in touch with us for the last four days.
07:37Either he was picked up and surrendered
07:39in front of someone,
07:41or some people picked him up
07:43and left him for the last night.
07:45The show-cause notice you gave
07:47has four MNAs and two senators.
07:49Who were among them?
07:51We gave two senators and nine MNAs.
07:53Four of them who voted
07:55and five of them
07:57who were accused
07:59of being in contact with them.
08:01So, those who were in contact with them
08:03for the last three to five days,
08:05they should come and justify it.
08:07We will inquire about it.
08:09With respect, Mr. Zain Qureshi is a great man.
08:11He has made a lot of sacrifices.
08:13So, you won't say the same thing about him?
08:15We won't say the same thing
08:17until and unless there is an inquiry.
08:19Once it is proven that
08:21the allegations against him are not true,
08:23we will not only restore his position,
08:25but we will also respect him.
08:27We still respect him.
08:29But to say that there is an allegation
08:31and we should not investigate it,
08:33is not right.
08:35Now, let's come to the rose you were talking about.
08:37You gave a show-cause notice
08:39to those nine MNAs,
08:41and four of them voted.
08:43Tell us,
08:45the rose you were talking about
08:47and the numbers for that rose,
08:49were they complete?
08:51Apart from Moulana Sahib,
08:53I think this was the cleanest amendment.
08:55No turncoat vote was used in this.
08:57You talk about Mr. Zahoor Qureshi,
08:59he never joined the Sunni
09:01Atheist Council or PTI.
09:03He was independent.
09:05You talk about Mr. Khichri,
09:07he was not independent,
09:09but he joined the Sunni Atheist Council.
09:11He won in their votes.
09:13But he won as an independent.
09:15He won as an independent.
09:17He has the affidavit of the Sunni Atheist Council.
09:19Where is that affidavit?
09:21You brought it here.
09:23You brought it to the Election Commission.
09:25We will bring it.
09:27When they say that they are free
09:29on the website of the National Assembly,
09:31then they are free.
09:33I told you that there are other free people.
09:35I am very sorry about them.
09:37I told you that there are other free people.
09:39He is not one of those people.
09:41He is not one of the 39 and 41 people.
09:43This is the problem.
09:45This is the problem of the 39 and 41 people.
09:47Listen, the National Assembly
09:49and the Election Commission
09:51did not notify them about PTI.
09:53If they did not notify them,
09:55then this is a matter of the Supreme Court.
09:57He was there for 15 days.
09:59He was there for 15 days.
10:01He was there for 15 days.
10:03This is my challenge.
10:05This is my challenge.
10:07You brought it here.
10:09He is free and he is free.
10:11Similarly, Mubarak Zeb,
10:13against whom you gave the ticket.
10:15But he did not join PTI.
10:17No, he won the election.
10:19And then where did he join PTI?
10:21I will show you the meeting.
10:23You did not let his brother's blood dry.
10:25You gave the ticket to someone else.
10:27He is asking for the ticket.
10:29Let me tell you one thing.
10:31If you are involved in our party's internal affairs.
10:33He is free and he is free.
10:35Rehan Zeb was expecting
10:37that he will get the ticket.
10:39But he did not get it.
10:41Listen, the ticket was not decided.
10:43He was martyred.
10:45After that, Mubarak Zeb was demanding
10:47that he should be given the ticket.
10:49But he got it.
10:51Gul Zafar won the ticket.
10:53But Rehan Zeb was also very disappointed.
10:55You know that he was not getting the ticket.
10:57I had a good relationship with him.
10:59He came to my office.
11:01He was a good man.
11:03But whether or not to give the ticket
11:05depends on the party's discipline.
11:07But Mubarak Zeb was free.
11:09Yes, he was free.
11:11After that, he joined PTI officially.
11:13But here you cannot say
11:15that he won on PTI's votes.
11:17He won on his own votes.
11:19Because PTI's personality
11:21was already there.
11:23Let me tell you one thing.
11:25He was a PTI worker.
11:27He was a PTI worker.
11:29That's a different story.
11:51I know that.
11:53Having said that,
11:55he was still independent.
11:57Before coming to that,
11:59I would like to say
12:01that he is an honourable member
12:03of the parliament.
12:05He has an internal matter.
12:07But I would like to say
12:09that this is an injustice.
12:11A group of compromised
12:13parliamentary leaders
12:15who are present in the parliament
12:17to save their skin,
12:19they are accusing
12:21such a young and capable
12:23person.
12:25I would like to suggest
12:27that you don't praise him.
12:29He has an internal matter.
12:31You have praised him.
12:33He has an inquiry.
12:35You have praised Zain Qureshi.
12:37With all due respect,
12:39I don't want to praise him.
12:41Even though his father
12:43was in jail for so long,
12:45his family's sacrifices
12:47and you still say
12:49that Zain Qureshi was not
12:51present in the parliament.
12:53Listen to me.
12:55Shah Mahmood Qureshi was in
12:57Karachi on 9th May.
12:59You kidnapped him on 9th May.
13:01If you are so sympathetic,
13:03then let him go.
13:05You are dishonest.
13:07You are misbehaving.
13:09You have imprisoned people
13:11in the wrong way.
13:13Now you are saying that
13:15he has sacrifices.
13:17If he is with you,
13:19then you are praising him.
13:21You are praising him.
13:23You are doubting him.
13:25You are doubting him.
13:27He is saying that
13:29he is not a parliamentarian.
13:31Now you are doubting
13:33that he was with you.
13:35Listen to me.
13:37If there is an objection
13:39in the party,
13:41then isn't it the party's
13:43internal responsibility
13:45to do its inquiry?
13:47I am satisfied.
13:49I want to talk about three topics.
13:51The 27th amendment.
13:53It was so difficult to
13:55remove the camel from the needle.
13:57Its tail was stuck.
13:59You were not able to remove its tail.
14:01Now you are talking about the 27th amendment.
14:03Who will support you in the 27th amendment?
14:05Maulana Sahib has also said that
14:07he will not support you.
14:09Anika Sahiba,
14:11you have said that
14:13it was a difficult task.
14:15It was difficult to pass it.
14:17It was difficult to build consensus
14:19with all political parties.
14:21I cannot give you
14:23a clear statement
14:25about the 27th amendment.
14:27Obviously,
14:29if there are any
14:31objections in the 26th amendment,
14:33there is always room for improvement.
14:35That is why the 27th amendment
14:37is not a big deal.
14:39Is there any objection
14:41in the 26th amendment?
14:43If there is an objection,
14:45what was the hurry?
14:47I can say that
14:49there is no objection in front of me.
14:51But with the passage of time,
14:53if you see any amendments
14:55or laws
14:57that need further clarity,
14:59you can bring it in the 27th amendment.
15:01In addition to this,
15:03I can say that
15:05our MQM,
15:07their 140A
15:09which is for local bodies,
15:11their votes were conditional.
15:13Their votes were conditional.
15:15They said that the 27th amendment
15:17has been promised.
15:19Their votes were conditional.
15:21So when is the 27th amendment coming?
15:23I cannot give you a timeline.
15:25It would not be right
15:27to tell you
15:29whether it is coming tomorrow,
15:31day after tomorrow or next week.
15:33What is the point of debating
15:35now for a month or two?
15:37The point of debating now
15:39is to mentally prepare
15:41Who are you mentally preparing?
15:43Maulana,
15:45Shoaib Shaheen's Jamaat
15:47or yourself?
15:49They were also mentally prepared.
15:51It is because of their political narrative
15:53or political issues.
15:55Were they prepared for the 26th amendment?
15:57This is a lie.
15:59Salman Akram Raja
16:01and Barrister Gauhar
16:03did not say that
16:05we have no problem with it as such.
16:07Why are they making benches and courts?
16:09When the benches were made,
16:11Anika Sahiba said that
16:13there is no issue as such
16:15but we do not support it.
16:17Which bench?
16:19Make 5 or 7 senior judges.
16:21We said that
16:23we do not agree with this illegitimate assembly.
16:25If you make it,
16:275 senior judges
16:29will be on the Constitution bench.
16:31In principle,
16:33if that was the case,
16:35we would not have opposed it.
16:37But Barrister Gauhar
16:39and Shoaib Shaheen
16:41did not say anything.
16:43It was on the final arguments
16:45that we do not support it.
16:47They brought it later.
16:49After two days,
16:51we did a press conference
16:53that we have nothing to do with it.
16:55This is an attack on the judicial system.
16:57You will make constitutional benches
16:59and judicial commissions
17:01where you have thrown your majority.
17:03This is not Pakistan.
17:05Listen to me.
17:07In the history of the world,
17:09it is possible that
17:11the executive will decide
17:13which bench will be made
17:15and which case will go to whom.
17:17Who is the principal litigant?
17:19Is it the federal government or provincial government?
17:21There are a lot of question marks
17:23in the 26th Constitution.
17:25There is no doubt about it.
17:27There will be a need for an interpretation
17:29or a constitutional amendment.
17:31This is a question in itself.
17:33This is an attack on the judicial system.
17:35This is illegal.
17:37In the 27th Constitution,
17:39if they want to fix something,
17:41will you give your input or not?
17:43When something came,
17:45they did not know which constitution it was.
17:47What does the law minister say?
17:49Yes, I have got it.
17:51Leave the rest.
17:53He kept saying that it is a fake constitution.
17:55Even the first time,
17:57you kept people sitting all night.
17:59No one had a constitution.
18:01They are thieves.
18:03They are robbers.
18:05They rob in the dark of the night.
18:07Do not say this.
18:09Do you remember the vote of no confidence?
18:11It was about Asad Qaisar and Qasim Suri.
18:13Article 5.
18:15We were making the law.
18:17We were making the law.
18:19They call you a thief,
18:21you call them a thief.
18:23This parliament did not come
18:25through theft.
18:27I am sitting here winning.
18:29I will take back the case.
18:31Tell me how many votes he has taken.
18:33I am sitting here with 1,05,000 votes.
18:35The one who has taken less than half
18:37votes is sitting inside.
18:39What is the legal status of this?
18:41If it was about all these matters,
18:43then you have a good relationship
18:45with the PTI.
18:47In the beginning, when the PTI and
18:49Maulana were talking,
18:51Maulana said that he is not doing
18:53Wifaq.
18:55You set an example.
18:57Why didn't you write a letter to the
18:59Peshawar High Court?
19:01You did a very good thing.
19:03After meeting Imran Khan,
19:05I made a press conference
19:07that we are ready to open
19:09not only the KP but also
19:11every ring of Pakistan.
19:13It was a matter of the National
19:15Assembly.
19:17Who will make the commission for
19:19it?
19:21The commission will be made in
19:23the federal.
19:25The commission will be made in
19:27the federal.
19:29The commission will be made in
19:31the federal.
19:33The commission will be made in
19:35the federal.
19:37The commission will be made in
19:39the federal.
19:41The commission will be made in
19:43the federal.
19:45The commission will be made in
19:47the federal.
19:49The commission will be made in
19:51the federal.
19:53I have not finished.
19:55I have not finished.
19:57Only one question.
19:59I think you are saying
20:01only one but I don't know
20:03if you are setting
20:05–
20:08Why did you bring ordinates and
20:10acc?
20:11You already formed the
20:13issue of judging setters.
20:15I was not told about it.
20:17I was told once that the
20:19commission has already
20:21Let's move on. I have to cover the third topic as well. Justice Yahya Afridi. Of course,
20:31you have a picked judge.
20:34He is not picked. I take an exception to that. Two thirds of the committee has recommended
20:40him.
20:41Who is in the committee?
20:42There is no doubt that Justice Yahya Afridi, Chief Justice of Pakistan, is an exceptional
21:00judge.
21:01Absolutely.
21:03By the book, by the constitution, by the law.
21:07Which is great.
21:18There is a very fine line between judicial independence and judicial overreach.
21:32No political party or leader should be pressurized.
21:35But when the court intervenes in the work of the executive, when the court tries to
21:39create a dam, when the court talks about creating a Nasla tower, when the court calculates
21:48fines, when the court decides on its own, and then it will be fine paid, then this is
22:00a great thing.
22:01He is giving examples.
22:03And today he is depriving Justice Mansoor Shah. He is a very honourable man.
22:07All the decisions are in your favour.
22:09When a decision is made in a special session, you say that it is wrong.
22:12Mr. Rana Sanaullah is also praising Justice Mansoor.
22:14Then tell me the reason for not making him a judge.
22:16And Justice Yahya, you are praising him.
22:18I would have. Very honourable man.
22:20All three of them, Anika Sahiba, are stellar choices. Excellent choices. All three of them.
22:25They were the reasons why Justice Mansoor Shah could not become Chief Justice.
22:28Very honourable man, Justice Yahya Afridi.
22:30But he has to become Chief Justice at his turn.
22:33He has to become Chief Justice.
22:34Mandeep has to become Chief Justice.
22:35Justice Mansoor has to become Chief Justice.
22:36This is the turn of Justice Mansoor Shah.
22:38But the turn has changed after these amendments.
22:40Why has it changed?
22:41It has become two-thirds.
22:42Two-thirds?
22:43Do you allow dishonesty?
22:44What dishonesty?
22:45Listen.
22:46When you have put the names of three people in front of you, tell Justice Mansoor Shah
22:51that this is wrong.
22:52You have to consider this.
22:53Let me talk about the so-called Christian amendment as well.
22:56Tell Justice Mansoor Shah that this is wrong.
22:58Tell Justice Muneeb that this is wrong.
23:00This is why we are picking the third one.
23:02What is this?
23:03You are depriving an honourable, competent judge of his rights just because he gave money to one person.
23:08When the names of three army chiefs are given,
23:10at that time it is not explained that this is not competent, this is not competent.
23:14Anyone can be chosen.
23:15This is an insult.
23:16Choosing this is contrary to the independence of judiciary.
23:21Listen.
23:22Let me complete one thing.
23:38This is an attack on independence of judiciary.
23:41What is the reason?
23:42The first thing that the judge is talking about, he considered the first one with no reason.
23:46He considered the second one with no reason and said that this will be the third one.
23:49But they didn't follow seniority.
23:51They didn't follow it lightly.
23:53It's not in the High Court.
23:55It's in the Supreme Court.
23:57Let me finish.
23:59Now what will be the problem?
24:01The Parliamentary Committee has to decide
24:03exactly who I want to make Chief Justice.
24:05Tell me.
24:07Which judge will decide independently?
24:09He will be after them.
24:11If I don't decide independently,
24:13they won't let me be Chief Justice.
24:15They will make obstacles in my way.
24:17My question is,
24:19there must be a role of the opposition.
24:21What role?
24:23You are saying it's just Khanapuri.
24:25No, it's less than Khanapuri.
24:27It's through the 3rd and 4th majority.
24:29It's not Khanapuri.
24:31Let me tell you the composition.
24:33There are 8 of them.
24:35And 3 of us.
24:37Out of 12 people,
24:39the 3rd and 4th majority had to decide.
24:41Let me tell you.
24:43Under 175A.
24:45The Chief Justice has to decide.
24:47No, no.
24:49What role does the Chief Justice have?
24:51I am talking about the Parliamentary Committee.
24:53There are 12 people in the Parliamentary Committee.
24:55There are 3 choices.
24:57One of them has to be selected.
24:59All the judges are good.
25:01All of them are good.
25:03All of them are good doesn't mean
25:05that there is a loss.
25:07Do you know what I am trying to explain?
25:09When you create a division
25:11on an independent court.
25:13There is a chance that
25:15people will try to do something.
25:17People will not make independent decisions.
25:19Because at one point,
25:21if one decision is given against the government,
25:23then they will remove you
25:25from the process.
25:27But the judges
25:29who have all the character
25:31will not be different from the characters.
25:33No, they won't.
25:35But you know that
25:37the audio of PMLN and PTI
25:39is also leaked.
25:41This is dishonesty.
25:43This is dishonesty.
25:45This is greed.
25:47We will not accept this at any cost.
25:49We say that this is an attack
25:51on freedom of expression.
25:53They have tried to divide us.
25:55Last comment.
25:57Last comment.
25:59Last comment is that
26:01anywhere in the world,
26:03judges are not appointed by the judges
26:05for the judges.
26:07This is a principle.
26:09Constitution and
26:11Parliamentary Oversight
26:13Let me be very clear.
26:15Parliamentary Oversight is very important.
26:17This is just a principle.
26:19Not before the Constitutional Amendment.
26:21Try to make a consensus later.
26:23Let's sit together.
26:25This is my request to you all.
26:27I want to take a break.
26:29Thank you very much, Mr. Behzad.
26:31Thank you very much, Mr. Shoaib.
26:33After a long time,
26:35they say that Kufr is broken.
26:37Cricket match.
26:39We were losing here.
26:41We won.
26:43What was behind it?
26:45We will talk about it after the break.
26:47Welcome back after the break.
26:49Viewers,
26:51we have got a good news after a long time.
26:53To be precise,
26:55we have got this good news after 44 months.
26:57Pakistan has won a series
26:59on their home ground.
27:01They have defeated England
27:03with 9 wickets.
27:05After 12 years,
27:07India has lost
27:09on their home ground.
27:11After 3.5 years,
27:13we have won a series
27:15on our home ground.
27:17We were losing continuously.
27:19We were failing continuously.
27:21We were failing on our home ground.
27:23We were wondering
27:25whether cricket is capable
27:27of winning the money
27:29of the Pakistani nation.
27:31Whereas, MMA, boxing,
27:33juggle and throw
27:35and many other sports
27:37like taekwondo and heavy weight lifting
27:39are being won by Pakistan.
27:41Pakistan is winning gold medals.
27:43Pakistan is winning silver medals.
27:45Pakistan is winning.
27:47But today,
27:49Pakistan has won
27:51the series of 5 days
27:53in just 2.5 days.
27:55In the second inning,
27:57England had scored
27:59112 runs.
28:01Pakistan had only 36 runs.
28:03After completing 36 runs,
28:05Pakistan has
28:07defeated England.
28:09After this,
28:11Shahan Masood has
28:13won the series.
28:15But there are many questions.
28:17Before making Shahan Masood
28:19the captain, Babur Azam
28:21and Shaheen Shah Afridi
28:23were on the side of Pakistan.
28:25Political tug-of-war
28:27between Pakistan and England
28:29is still going on.
28:31In the coming days,
28:33some important series
28:35are going to start.
28:37One Day and T20 series.
28:39One Day and T20 series
28:41is going to be held
28:43in Australia and other countries.
28:45Now, it is decided
28:47who will be the captain
28:49and who will be the deputy captain.
28:51At this time,
28:53we have Kamran Akmal
28:55who is a cricketer.
28:57He is with us today.
28:59He is a special representative of ARY.
29:01Thank you for joining us.
29:03First of all,
29:05Pakistanis have waited
29:07for three and a half years
29:09to win a series on their home ground.
29:11It is very difficult to win
29:13on home ground.
29:15What has changed?
29:17Did Babur Azam
29:19have anything to do with it?
29:23Kamran Akmal.
29:25Yes, he is talking to me.
29:27Thank you very much.
29:29At this time,
29:31we cannot blame anyone.
29:33Pakistan has played
29:35very well.
29:37Pakistan has won the series
29:39after a long time.
29:41The team that
29:43whitewashed us in the last series
29:45and defeated us
29:47in the first test match.
29:49We were thinking about it.
29:51We were talking about it
29:53that you are taking
29:55Pakistan's cricket
29:57in the wrong direction.
29:59Keep your milestones aside.
30:01Think about Pakistan.
30:03How can Pakistan win?
30:05They could have won
30:07like they did in the last
30:09two test matches.
30:11They were given confidence.
30:13They were called.
30:15They were not fit.
30:17We don't have quality spinners.
30:19They won the series.
30:21They won the series
30:23in two test matches.
30:25They won the series
30:27in two test matches.
30:29They won the series
30:31in two test matches.
30:33They won the series
30:35in two test matches.
30:37They won the series
30:39in two test matches.
30:41They won the series
30:43in two test matches.
30:45They won the series
30:47in two test matches.
30:49They made a condition
30:51that could have
30:53dominated the England team.
30:55That's why we won the series.
30:57I think we have
30:59taken a step forward.
31:01We were at number 9.
31:03Now we have to
31:05go to the top 3.
31:07We have to carry on.
31:09We have to carry on.
31:11You talked about changing the mindset.
31:13This is important.
31:15I will come back to you.
31:17We need to change the mindset
31:19in one day and T20.
31:21Captain and Naib Captain
31:23will start on 4th November.
31:25will start on 4th November.
31:27We don't have a final name yet.
31:29We don't have a final name yet.
31:31What are your sources telling you?
31:33What are your sources telling you?
31:35The meeting is still going on.
31:37The meeting is still going on.
31:39All the selectors are present.
31:41All the selectors are present.
31:43There are some differences.
31:45There are some differences.
31:47For the three senior players..
31:53for Australia...
31:55At Wade or T20.
31:59And the captains...
32:05Salman is the new captain of Wade.
32:09And Rizwan for T20.
32:11White ball should have only one captain.
32:13White ball should have only one captain.
32:15Vande and T20 as well.
32:17So, tomorrow afternoon,
32:18the chairman will have a press conference
32:20and Aqib Javed will also be there.
32:21We will have to wait till tomorrow.
32:23In Australia, the journalists,
32:25TV people are calling and asking
32:27who is your captain?
32:28When will your team be announced?
32:29We have to prepare a lot of things.
32:31So, by tomorrow afternoon...
32:32By the way, Mr. Shah,
32:33he is sitting to prepare
32:34and we have not completed the preparations yet.
32:36Isn't this a very strange thing?
32:38It is a very strange thing
32:40because they do their work very early.
32:42The schedule of Australian cricket
32:45is announced one and a half years before.
32:47They do all their things early.
32:49They have decided that
32:50their main team will be played on Monday
32:52and their main player will rest in T20.
32:54Because after our T20,
32:56they have tests of five matches from India.
32:58Absolutely.
32:59Absolutely.
33:00Okay, Mr. Kamran,
33:01the problem here is that
33:03maybe the mindset you are talking about
33:05that mindset comes to our personalities.
33:07Pakistanis go very far back.
33:09There is a need to change that mindset.
33:11Mr. Kamran,
33:12while bringing up Pakistanis,
33:13the matches that are going to be played in Australia,
33:15in these matches,
33:16the team of Pakistan,
33:17whoever the captain is,
33:19despite my own personal thinking
33:22that we should have had a captain by now,
33:24we should have had a name by now,
33:25we should have had our final preparations by now,
33:27but it did not happen.
33:28Anyway, it will happen by tomorrow.
33:29Will you give suggestions
33:31keeping in mind the conditions of Australia
33:33that there will be a team of Pakistan
33:35for the one day T20?
33:37How should they go ahead?
33:40Anika, first of all,
33:42you have to become a professional.
33:44Just like Babur resigned,
33:46we should have announced a captain the next day.
33:49We will have to take such decisions,
33:51we will have to do such work.
33:53You see, there is only one week left
33:55for your series to start,
33:56to go to Australia.
33:57You are still meeting with captains.
33:59This is not a good thing.
34:01This is not a sign of a good board
34:03and professional management,
34:05professional players.
34:07The world is making fun of you
34:09that there is no captain
34:11to start your cricket.
34:12It is being decided now.
34:13And in Australia,
34:14it is simple, Anika.
34:15You have brought your domestic cricket
34:17performers to test cricket.
34:19They have made you win the series.
34:21There is nothing bigger than this.
34:23You have to make a team.
34:25Whether you are going to Australia,
34:26whether you are playing in Pakistan,
34:28whether you are playing anywhere,
34:29you have to make a team of domestic performers.
34:31The box that is empty in the team,
34:33what is needed,
34:35you have seen the past series
34:37of white ball cricket,
34:38see who is the performer in it.
34:40You should end this favouriteism
34:42in the team.
34:44And as far as you have talked about Babar,
34:46you have talked about Shahid,
34:48I think they should not do such injustice.
34:50Babar did not give a good performance
34:52in test cricket.
34:53Shaheen did not give a good performance.
34:55Naseem did not give a good performance.
34:57You have sidelined the team.
34:59He is a performer in test cricket and T20.
35:02If you have won test cricket here,
35:04then you have changed the mindset.
35:06You have to change the mindset
35:08in white ball cricket.
35:09You have to get rid of liking and disliking
35:11in this cricket.
35:12It is not over yet,
35:13after winning two tests and one series.
35:15So this is an important point.
35:16You are in the team.
35:17You have to change a lot of things.
35:19You have to take Pakistan's cricket to the top.
35:21Just like you have been spoiling the career
35:23of the players in the past,
35:25you have been spoiling the system of the players.
35:27You should not do it now.
35:29These players are our players.
35:31They are match winners.
35:33You have to change their mindset.
35:35You have to talk to them.
35:37What is our demand?
35:39What type of cricket do we want to play?
35:41Who do we want to compete with?
35:43You have to talk to them.
35:45You have to talk to them.
35:47You have to talk to them.
35:49You have to talk to them.
35:51You have to talk to them.
35:53You have to talk to them.
35:55You have to talk to them.
35:57You have to talk to them.
35:59You have to talk to them.
36:01Is their career over?
36:03Is there a break?
36:05Or this is a temporary phase
36:07that will pass?
36:09It is a temporary phase.
36:11You have not given them
36:13much first-class cricket.
36:15You have given them test matches
36:17after a long gap.
36:19That is why their performance in red ball is not that good.
36:21But Shaheen, Naseem Shah, Babar Azam,
36:23their performance in white ball cricket
36:25is very good.
36:27Don't take such a harsh decision
36:29that will affect the tour of Australia.
36:31We know that
36:33the results will not be good in Australia.
36:35If their full strength team plays
36:37in three one-day,
36:39I am sure we will lose all three one-day.
36:41We will lose two in three T20s.
36:43One may be in the rain.
36:45We will not get such a good result there.
36:47We should take our good players there.
36:49After four months,
36:51there is the Champions Trophy.
36:53We cannot do anything now.
36:55We must include a few new players.
36:57I have a question here.
36:59You said that we must include a few new players.
37:01Sajid and Nauman have given
37:03a very good performance in the test series.
37:05Can we take them there?
37:09We can take Sajid there.
37:11Sajid does good batting.
37:13He is a hard-hitting batsman and an off-break bowler.
37:15But he is a known player in red ball cricket.
37:17You have not given him much white ball cricket.
37:19You gave Sajid one match
37:21in the Champions Cup
37:23in which he was the man of the match.
37:25You can try in Zimbabwe.
37:27It will not be a difficult series
37:29for Pakistan.
37:31After four months,
37:33there is the Champions Trophy.
37:35You must keep these 15 players with you.
37:37Give them as much time as possible
37:39so that we can get good results
37:41in the Champions Trophy.
37:43I have the same question for you.
37:45Is it feasible
37:47to give Sajid and Nauman
37:49a trial in this series?
37:51I don't think so.
37:53Anika,
37:55this is what I want to say.
37:57We see the performance of the boys
37:59in T20.
38:01We start giving them test matches on Monday.
38:03He is a specialist bowler
38:05in our test matches.
38:07Don't spoil their confidence level.
38:09Let them settle in their place
38:11in the test matches.
38:13They have made a comeback after 1.5-2 years.
38:15It is not good to give them a test match
38:17in T20 on Monday.
38:19As far as Badshah is concerned,
38:21I hope that our team
38:23will win T20.
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