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00:00Jason in Chicago and again the question we're asking and what we're debating
00:04Who's the most important 49er now?
00:08And what I'm waiting for also
00:11From dibs. I haven't gotten it yet. Okay, it is a big old
00:17Heaping serving of I was wrong
00:20In terms of well last year Brock Purdy was the seventh most important 49er
00:26Yeah, that's what you told me early on okay, he moved up the list. Oh, I see he moved up
00:31I didn't know you're gonna move the goalpost like that why everything changes with new information and right now
00:36He's more than the seventh most important player. What is he now? He's become he's probably right now the second most important player
00:42Okay, third if you want me to go Dominic Dominic Pooley on you
00:46I won't do it
00:47but he's only behind Trent Williams and if you look at Trent Williams and his
00:52The record when they don't have him and they're three and six without him over the course of four plus season
00:57Which is which is political math it must be an election. It's just math
01:01No, but these are these are just fat right, but when he doesn't play they lose two-thirds of the time
01:06Yeah, that was and I'm sorry if that bothers you if we don't want to let me finish the sentence
01:10That's gonna blow your record up and go ahead
01:12You ready for it go ahead tell everybody that three of those losses were before Brock Purdy was on the team
01:17tell everybody that because that's
01:20Significant for the conversation that we're having they had a quarterback on the team at the time who has been to a Super Bowl
01:27Uh-huh, but that's not what we're talking about right now. So what's Brock Purdy's record?
01:33without Trent Williams
01:35Brock Purdy, uh-huh. Oh and two. Oh
01:39And two that actually
01:41You can ask me a question. Let me give you an answer. You're gonna question me
01:44He's lost. I think there were more games than that. The trip missed two games last year the lot
01:50both
01:51The three games that he missed I believe were pre Brock
01:55He missed the Rams Carolina and Atlanta Trent came back for Kansas City, which is when that was
02:02Rocky poo. No that was on the field. Oh, he did not against Kansas City. He came on the field against Miami
02:07Oh, so yeah Christian Christian started that game against Kansas City, but was limited
02:13Like a half participant Trent missed three games Rams Carolina Atlanta weeks four five and six, that's it
02:20That's it. So when Brock came on the field from on high
02:26Trent was already back and healthy. So oh and to helping them out
02:28Okay, oh and two small sample size three and six. Oh and all the time got okay
02:33Just want to make sure we're all squared away with the numbers
02:36Yeah, we got plenty of people in media lying right now
02:39Rockets never won a football game without Trent on the field
02:42Hmm has Trent ever won one without Brock on the field a bunch
02:46Oh, I mean, he's since Brock became the starter since Brock became the starter. I mean, oh, okay
02:54My Trent's won a whole lot more games and broadcast Trent Trent. How about when Trent was Trent on the field in Chicago?
03:00Was he on the field with Trey Lance?
03:02Yeah, I'm looking in
03:04How'd that go how'd that go when the Niners had that's an L when they had Trent Williams
03:10But they didn't have a good quarterback. How'd it look it didn't look great. You were there for that game there
03:16Yeah, you were it was awful and Trent actually if we're gonna be totally fair Trent only played 38 snaps in the Jimmy G
03:25debacle at
03:26Denver Denver. Yeah, that's right hurt that night. Yeah, Jimmy ran out and the team barely recovered after I go ahead Jason in Chicago
03:33Jason
03:36What's up, buddy
03:38All right, so
03:40There is no way it's not Brock party
03:43We would all as fans be sick to our stomachs if we're rolling out Bobbie or Brandon Allen
03:49We can handle no Trent Williams and it'd be okay
03:55But the more pressing issue
03:58chocolate
03:59Tracks or fudge tracks is not a real ice cream flavor. Thank you
04:03I didn't write the words fudge tracks on the front of the ice cream container. That's what it says
04:10Does it not say that?
04:12Confirm or deny the dry
04:15Next break I'll go look cuz there's an ice cream social before the show
04:18I wasn't here for it
04:19So I came in and I ate ice cream during the crossover sure did and the YouTube audience asked
04:25What did I eat and I said fudge tracks ice cream?
04:29with
04:30like Oreo crumbles and
04:33Chocolate chips drizzled over the top Jason, you know what fudge tracks is, right?
04:38Yeah, it is. I'm not it is a knock-up of
04:42Moose-track. Oh, right. I was gonna go a different direction, but I like that. Not really
04:47That is that is not radio appropriate dibs. I appreciate you know me
04:52I like it
04:55I was trying to advocate for a change of underwear. You're trying to get Jason dumped Jason
05:00Thank you fudge tracks would lead to somebody getting done. I'm gonna go stop it
05:05I can't Jason whatever grannies stop being such an adult. I ate laughing every now and again. I'm gonna eat it
05:11I ate it you call it. It was delicious. It was delay. It was not nutritious, but it was delicious
05:18I
05:21Just encourage everyone to go back and do the film study as Greg Cosell and I do and I watch the game against
05:27Minnesota back and what you see is an offensive line. That was maybe not porous
05:33But they struggled without Trent Williams, you know rock pretty actually made some great throws in that game
05:39Did and then he had the absolute not the worst pick of his season. Oh, but it was up there
05:44It was just an awful pick. I disagree with you completely. No, it wasn't because
05:49Circumstantially was the fudge tracks of pics. Yeah, but how far down were the Niners?
05:53They were down by the score. Are you sure? Yeah, 22 17. Okay facts fine
06:00true or false
06:01When a team is losing and you're given the ball with said like what a minute to go minute plus
06:08What was on the clock? He had I'm looking at it. I think it was a buck 11. Okay
06:14Factor fiction the the turnover rate in a situation like that goes through the roof and
06:22the reason for that just like Jordan love in the playoffs last year when the Niners took the lead and
06:27Drake Greenlaw picked off a ball and then decided to run around and
06:34Like remember that play the reason the turnover rate goes through the roof is obvious because a quarterback needs to start
06:41Taking more chances than they normally would because you are up against it. You are in a desperate situation
06:48It's not to excuse it. You want to call it a bad throw sure fine bad throw
06:53It was a pick but that game for him is still fascinating to me
06:58Not that it was a great game for Brock because it wasn't
07:01But if you look at what was happening against Cincinnati and Minnesota last year to me is obvious the defense was brutal
07:08They could not force is a struggle in completion and
07:13That puts the Niners in a situation where they can't use Brock or Trent. They can't run the ball anymore
07:20Yeah, you got to come from behind and and and the whole thing is just off track
07:25I do need to offer a clarification please sensation. Thank you because he threw two picks in that game
07:31I remember them and the one that I was referring to happened with five and a half minutes to go
07:35First and ten at Minnesota's 49
07:38That's the one that was really the most crippling that the second pick happened with a minute left
07:43And I'll give you that one that was desperation
07:45The other one was just a bad throw and maybe it's because there was no Debo
07:50And he thought Juwan would continue on his route
07:52And he didn't but that was the pass where he threw it right to the Minnesota Vikings
07:57And that was that was crushing ready for me to upset you you're gonna blame the receiver
08:01No, I'm not gonna blame the receiver. Oh
08:05Wide receiver three no he was concussed. Ah there you go
08:13Brock was fine until he got concussed right and then he started throwing pigs
08:18And then he came out the next week and never he wasn't gonna play
08:21Wasn't gonna play wasn't gonna play the doctors all he shouldn't play and then he played and he threw more picks
08:25Yes still can cut that's what you said and then he went on a bye week
08:29And he came back and everything was hunky and dory
08:33Yeah, the head was clear
08:34And you know he was far enough away from the concussion that you Brock Purdy
08:38Acolytes could no longer give him a free pass if we just admit something everyone's insufferable
08:44Like you're gonna pick a side, and you're gonna stay there like I actually don't think all that stuff
08:49Those were bad throws, and you if you're on the field you're on the field. Yep. You're accountable for your throws, but
08:54The same way like sometimes I do that because that's what the opposite to me sounds like
09:01When you go oh my gosh
09:03Willard's just gonna come up with an excuse for Brock no matter what he does that's bad
09:07Well, that's what it sounds like to me in the opposite direction
09:11When he goes out there goes 18 and 4 as a starter wins two playoff games per year every single time
09:17He goes to the playoffs only two losses in the playoffs ones in overtime to Patrick Mahomes the other one
09:22He didn't have an arm attached to his body and and so many of you will come out and go well
09:27Shanahan and Trent
09:29It's actually not that good like that's what it sounds like to me. It sounds bananas for people to say that
09:37Anything other than the 49ers have found a really high
09:42level player at the quarterback position
09:45Yeah, and I understand that and it's the way
09:48Everybody's going to look at any issue and you're gonna skew it your way
09:52based on how you want to
09:55Confirm your own bias, and if you don't think that Brock is that good if you think he's a product of the system
10:00Then you're gonna look at Monday night as a good example Brock was fine
10:04But they won the game because of Jordan Mason a great defense Kyle Shanahan and a kicker who was near
10:11Record setting so if you believe that Brock Purdy's just I eat you look at all those other things
10:17To confirm your own bias, and if you're in your camp
10:20And you think that Brock is amazeballs
10:22Then you look at all the great things that he did and you give him more credit than you give other people
10:28I appreciate your use of amazeballs. Yeah, no problem. I do not appreciate your use of the word fine
10:32I just don't I get that okay, and it I I probably gave him a b-plus as well
10:38Do the work I hate me train on on granny at the risk of sounding like a like a child of the 80s and a teenager
10:44Of the 90s the word fine is for when you see someone walking down the street that you think is super hot
10:50That's what the word fine is more. It's not meaning like oh, yeah, everything's great. No, that's not what fine means
10:58How are you? I'm fine. Let's go to the couch sit down. What's wrong. Tell me I can handle it
11:04Let's talk it out. That's what the word fine means so if you tell me that Brock was fine on Monday night
11:09You're being offensive
11:12He's fine unless you're attracted to him, right? I mean, yeah
11:16I just look at it looked at the way he played and it was good. He's fine. See I got you to stop
11:23You know, I just I don't want to dwell on the the lexicon or the particulars of the assessment
11:29He was good enough to win the game as he has been in 18 of his 22 starts as a pro
11:34It was more than good enough. So whatever you want to use
11:3718 and 4 as a starter in the regular year
11:40So whatever four-letter word you want to put on that the dude has played 22 regular season games and he's 18 and 4 10 letters
11:48amaze
11:49Balls, that's pretty good. Yeah
11:51Aaron in Iowa, there's your four-letter word. It's Iowa. Hi Aaron. What are you doing?
12:01Just listening to you guys right now. Yeah, that's that works out well for everybody
12:07Yeah
12:08but I wanted to talk about like when you guys were asking earlier who like the
12:13Most important players are on the team right now. I would honestly say
12:19Brock birdie is number two and Trent Williams is number one and
12:23strictly speaking last year
12:25I still would have had it actually ranked that way because here's the thing if Trent Williams goes down for that year last year
12:33What do the 49ers have for an offensive line
12:36Probably one of the three worst off at the lines in the league last year because they were already bottom ten last year in pass
12:42Protection and then you look at this year if with their merger to Poonie if they go from bottom 10 to at least mid-tier
12:49if not at least top 15, I
12:52think the 49ers finally get over that hump and then you're gonna see what pretty can actually do because
12:59Many people seem to forget that Purdy
13:01Constantly has had pressure in his face or has had to escape stuff to get the ball out
13:07And now that he'll actually have a little bit of a better protection pocket going on this year if Poonie does play out the way
13:14many 49ers fans hope I
13:17Think people are gonna be actually surprised then and actually be like, you know
13:20What this guy is much better than what we thought he was well Aaron
13:24I think you make some really solid points and obviously there's no
13:28Diminishing Trent Williams importance that would be ridiculous
13:31but let me ask you this Aaron if Brock Purdy is now 18 and 4 as a starter and
13:37He's been really really good and you just said he did it
13:41Trent even being there with an offensive line that in terms of pass protection
13:46Ranked in the bottom third of the league yet
13:48This player still continues to succeed and has the highest passer rating in the NFL. What does that tell you?
13:57To me that tells me that Purdy is doing extremely well despite being handicapped a little bit
14:04I was just saying that the only reason why I put
14:07Trent above there is just because of the fact that it literally takes that offensive line from being probably
14:13Like the bottom three to considerably the worst offensive line for protect pass protection to a decent
14:21somewhat workable
14:23Offensive line that Purdy can work with that's all I was getting now. I'm not saying that Trent boy. I'm not diminishing Trent
14:30I'm not diminishing Purdy
14:31I'm just saying that without if you had a different quarterback other than Purdy despite what many people want to say
14:40Behind that offensive line. I don't think they'd play as well
14:43The only one I think that plays as well behind that offensive line would be Patrick Mahomes
14:49I don't think anybody else would play that well not Lamar Jackson not Josh Allen just because of the fact that you like those
14:56Guys, yes, they can run with their legs, but Kyle Shanahan system
15:00does require you to still be able to try to go down the field and
15:05It's just I just don't think those guys would be able to work through the system properly
15:10They have a completely different skill set than what Brock Purdy has but that doesn't mean that
15:17I'm not saying that they would completely fall flat on their faces
15:20I just don't think they would be as successful in this system as people think that they would be and they just want to keep
15:27Diminishing Purdy behind this because they're like, oh, well, we've seen what Kyle Shanahan has done with years before years before
15:34He had better offensive lines
15:36This like since Purdy's taken over. It's been not really considered one of the better offensive lines
15:43Wow
15:45Yeah, no, it's just any arm, thank you very much it
15:50Depends sort of on what portion of the game I guess you're talking about because again, there's the pass protection
15:57There's the there's the run game interesting
15:59You say that offensive lines can be very very different even who has the same group
16:03Like take Mike McGlinchey might be one of the better examples like Mike McGlinchey was both a good offensive lineman
16:10And a bad offensive lineman exactly all tucked into one depending on what the play call was
16:16I was just looking at PFF from last year and I know pro football focus is not the end-all be-all
16:20But it's a metric thing. Sure and last year the Niners were ranked 22nd in pass blocking
16:27They were number one and run blocking there you go
16:29So to your point about this offensive line and yeah when you get into third and two and third and three
16:35It's easier to pass block because the defense doesn't exactly know what's going on
16:39So everything is contextual this offense thrives on having the run pass
16:45Capability on any individual play as any offense does only other thing I want to add
16:50About the Trent Williams thing and again, I've got to say this up front. There's no way to diminish his importance
16:56I sat here with you for three weeks leading up to this going. There's no way he's missing the opener
17:02Because there's no way the 49ers are that stupid
17:05They know what you know what I know which is that yes, he's that important so there's no diminishing him
17:13But it my ears perk up when I hear people go. Well if he was out
17:18Here's what would happen?
17:20My answer to that is kind of like well, you you don't really know that I
17:26Don't know
17:28What Trent Williams?
17:30back up
17:31Would would look like long term
17:35Let's not act like we haven't found players through injury before Brock Purdy is one of them
17:41Like yeah when Jimmy was walking off if everyone had just gotten a phone call right then and there and been like by the way
17:47That was his last play with the 49ers
17:49What would you have said and what would you have thought where was that season going in that moment most likely South it was over
17:57Yeah, that was it. I did think at the time
18:00I remember coming in the next day thinking you know they could survive it if this Brock Purdy kid is just decent
18:06They have enough around him to where they could still do some things then turned out
18:10He was more than decent well and remember at that moment
18:13We had almost next to no data, but the data we did have was oh like they went out and scored 33 points
18:18Yeah, like I think you I think the Niners were down 7 to 3 when he came in if memory serves
18:24I think they were down to the Dolphins 7 to 3 and did they not win 33 to 17 33 17 there you go
18:31Yeah, there you go
18:32So like you all you all right garopp was 2 of 4 for 56 yards, and he'd been sacked. Yeah
18:42What was Brock's numbers 25 of 37 for 210 two teddy's in a pick and
18:48And a win and a win