Pelle Larson takes a dip in the cold tub... should JFig take notes? Jimmy Butler and Pat Riley's relationship is on the rocks? What would you do if you were Heat's GM? Tobin details Jimmy Butler's warped mindset, What will be his ultimate motivation this year?
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00:00Are you guys familiar with Pella Larson?
00:02Yeah, yeah.
00:03Once got shouted out by Jimmy Butler in Sweden.
00:05Pretty cool.
00:06I didn't think that was going to happen.
00:07Oh, did you trashed him two days before?
00:09Well, you know, I didn't know, you know, but it's great to see.
00:12Great to see, you know, shout out.
00:14But Pella, he he was impressing his teammate, Keisha Johnson.
00:18Now they were teammates at Arizona together.
00:21They're now on the heat together. OK, cool.
00:25But apparently Pella was impressing Keisha
00:28because he can stand in a cold tub and dunk himself.
00:32And apparently this was very impressive to Keisha Johnson.
00:36That's so gangster.
00:38Go ahead. That's so gangster.
00:40Oh, in the cold.
00:46That's so gangster.
00:48Damn. Yeah, his little nuggies are gone.
00:53Well, yeah, you know, that's what happened.
00:57As George Cassano said, it was shrinkage.
01:02I wonder if Bluetooth could revive him.
01:04Absolutely. Just use the promo code.
01:06Pella, use the promo code to show pony shrimp.
01:12So the thing about the ice pool
01:18is is brutal for like two minutes
01:23and then you're numb and it feels really good.
01:25The fancy ones they have circulate like is that the ones that like,
01:28yeah, the jets come to the water.
01:29Oh, yeah, it's just it looks just like a hot tub, but it's 45 degree water.
01:35Do they do the rest? Why?
01:38If you told him when I was in Cleveland, no, we when we were in Cleveland,
01:42we had one as big as like a jacuzzi at LA Fitness.
01:47So you get like five or six people sit in it.
01:51Anyone pee in that? No.
01:53What kind of mark?
01:55It's a natural reaction to say,
02:00oh, water didn't look cold enough.
02:02I want like a penguin in there.
02:03Oh, really? Really?
02:05Dude, I could put the water.
02:07I think when I took the tour the first time we touched the water and I could.
02:11I can put the water at 55, which is 10 degrees warmer than that.
02:15And you wouldn't be able to hang.
02:16No, 100 percent.
02:18I'm not saying I would, but I just want the water to look colder.
02:22How don't we can look closer if it was like that little freeze on.
02:25What do you want, like ice in there?
02:26Like, what do you want to have?
02:28You want to put that in the back?
02:29Now we put we would put
02:32because we had the metal ones, you know, during camp.
02:35And you dump a whole bunch of ice in it.
02:38Just dump ice in and then you turn the jets on and the ice will go away.
02:41You need a lot of ice for the old Bahamas training camp.
02:45Oh, yeah, exactly.
02:47Maybe an Eskimo fishing.
02:49More daiquiris.
02:51No, I got it.
02:52No. Hey, by the way, Marcos,
02:56that water, like when the
02:59Lake Erie freezes and people go ice fishing.
03:01Yeah, that water is much colder than that.
03:05Yeah, it looks like that water is like freezing.
03:08You think any chance to Jimmy Butler pulls a Jalen Ramsey at he can't because
03:14no, because then power out.
03:15I will say this is exactly what I was talking about.
03:17Yeah, but the damage is done.
03:18He's not paying them.
03:19So he gives me a
03:22see October 23rd.
03:24But do you think that gets him paid?
03:26I mean, it's not going to get paid this year, no matter what, does it?
03:28Is it? No, it's not.
03:31Hmm. But let me ask you a question. Mm hmm.
03:36Does Pat have a legitimate complaint?
03:38I think it's a fair complaint.
03:39OK, so you can understand why this isn't happening.
03:42I think that it was a rough year
03:47and I think we should look at the bigger picture.
03:50You think Peralta is only looking at this one year with the games missed?
03:53Well, dude, I don't know.
03:54He always seems to let the icons go, and I don't think that's gone well.
03:59I would like, oh, OK, dude, he it doesn't end well.
04:04There's always drama.
04:05There was drama with Shaq.
04:06There was drama with Zoe.
04:07There was drama with D Wade.
04:09You know, there's drama with Tim Hardaway.
04:12There was even drama with Chris Bosh.
04:14They they were fighting about which doctors cleared him or not.
04:17Then Chris Bosh is like, you guys are just trying to clear cap space.
04:21Like, no, dude, blood clots.
04:24You know, and so now, Jimmy, I just want to, you know,
04:27I don't want you to go anywhere.
04:29So you would you would like.
04:33And you would be the worst owner ever.
04:35I don't think so.
04:36But you think Pat should have just paid him,
04:39even though he feels a certain way?
04:42He always feels that way.
04:43No, but does he have what you said?
04:45You understand he has a legitimate complaint.
04:47He paid he paid Deon Waiters.
04:50150 million.
04:53He gave Deon Waiters a four year deal for what?
04:5630 million. I mean, 40.
04:57It doesn't matter, dude.
04:58Nobody is bidding against.
05:01All right.
05:06And then Deon goes fat cat, and he's surprised.
05:10So maybe he's scarred.
05:12Maybe. Maybe.
05:15But I just like he he made his point
05:20of how he felt after the season about guys
05:25not playing, and it's probably hard for him because he still thinks.
05:30If my guys are healthy, we're the two seed.
05:33Yeah, he probably does.
05:35So why would I extend this?
05:38This is the guy you're going to make the stand with.
05:40He heard this guy.
05:43When was the last time Jimmy played over 70 games?
05:47Dude, he had never has in his career.
05:49But you want to know what he has done?
05:50Taking him to two finals.
05:52OK, but if we're going to talk career, he's had a good career.
05:55No, I'm not. No, I'm not saying that.
05:57I'm not saying he didn't have a good career.
05:59So you give him the money because he had a good career?
06:02Yes. OK, sweetener year.
06:05That's it now.
06:06He's like, all right, that's off the table.
06:08And then my question is, how pissed off would you be?
06:11Right. Mm hmm.
06:13If you get 60 games again and you know, this is how you felt.
06:18I wouldn't be pissed.
06:19OK, I wouldn't be pissed.
06:20You wouldn't be pissed if Jimmy gave you 60 games.
06:23It's going to be what's going to piss me off is when he's not in the heat next year.
06:25That's what's going to piss me off.
06:26But what if he gives you 70 games and you guys go far into the playoffs?
06:30Do we win a championship?
06:33You win a championship, we give you whatever you want.
06:35Do we win a championship?
06:37I don't know.
06:39Well, mystical genie, you're going to have to tell me that to answer my question.
06:42No, otherwise it's hard to say.
06:44Wait, wait, wait.
06:44Me asking for a player to give 70 games is not a mystical, mystical.
06:48He could give me 65 games as long as he's ready for the playoffs, baby.
06:54But we said that last year and he wasn't.
06:56I know. I hope last year is OK.
06:57So if you're the owner or your management, do you have some questions?
07:04Or do you have to blindly go at it?
07:06They're not going blindly at it.
07:08They clearly have made their choice.
07:10I'm just telling you, don't lose.
07:11But can listen.
07:13I'm not saying Jimmy probably deserves the money.
07:18But what I am saying is.
07:21Look at what happened the last couple of years with this team.
07:27And you can understand why management.
07:31Would not want to extend guys who haven't played.
07:37So you you live in on things, say, I don't care what he does in a break season
07:41because playoff, you know, it's not that I don't care.
07:44It's just you cared if they would have played five more games
07:47and won three more games, they would have been a two seat.
07:49It's not that I don't care.
07:51It's just it's it's just that it's one off year for him.
07:56When he had 35.
07:58I understand. I understand.
08:00At 35. I trust.
08:02I trust him to to to to to crank it up.
08:05And everybody thought, no, you have 60 million.
08:08He's going to do nothing but have pina coladas all summer.
08:10And now we've decided to punish him by taking it to the Bahamas here.
08:15If if you give him 60 million. Yeah.
08:21Is he more inclined to play 70 games or less inclined?
08:24I think he's going to do it either way.
08:25I think he's going to be equally inclined.
08:28Really? Yeah.
08:29And so what does Pat Riley need to do to emphasize the point?
08:33I need you to play more games so we can have a better.
08:35He did it. Did he? He did it.
08:38I think he did it by not paying them or just saying it.
08:40Do you think that like Jimmy Butler?
08:42Do you think let me guess, do you think that if he did have the contract,
08:45so you think there would have been more
08:47going to tennis matches and not playing the next day?
08:50I would just say that there's not any incentive to play.
08:52I would have. Here's what I would have said.
08:54This is what I think.
08:55I think Jimmy Butler definitely bought into his bull bleep a little bit too much.
08:59OK, that was his fault.
09:00He thought I'm a superhero because what they did the year before was crazy.
09:07That's a one off.
09:08I understand. I'm not talking about that, though.
09:10I'm saying he saw Jimmy Butler walking off the court.
09:13All playoffs is saying best in the world, best in the world.
09:17And then they go to the finals.
09:19So he's like this regular season.
09:20Ridiculous. It does not matter.
09:22That's the warped mentality.
09:23It was a bad mentality to have.
09:25I don't think after getting their asses kicked and embarrassed,
09:29I think the just natural competitor in him after getting embarrassed
09:32and watching Boston win the championship,
09:34I don't think money or not paying him is going to have him in that mindset.
09:38I think them losing in the first round and him getting hurt
09:40is already going to have him there.
09:41But, you know, Pat, I'm not rewarding you for that.
09:44But OK, but his extension's up now.
09:47Like, you know, that's not that.
09:49You know, he rewarded me. It's it.
09:53But he rewarded me comparing the two.
09:57You think him rewarding BAM is the same thing as rewarding Jimmy?
10:00I mean, it's age.
10:01You're obviously going to you're going to pay a guy who's in the prime of his career.
10:04It matters. But he just wanted one little sweetener.
10:06You know, it matters.
10:07But my whole thing is, is look at it from Pat Riley's perspective.
10:13How are you incentive
10:14and giving him incentive to play more games if you give him the money?
10:18How about his incentive is go get Jimmy Butler some damn help?
10:23He tried, did he?
10:26Oh, you don't even think he tried?
10:28Where's my Damian Lillard?
10:30And you don't think he tried? Where's Dame?
10:33We all thought Dame was coming here.
10:35Yep. But he's not.
10:36But he's not. Where's my spider?
10:39Where's Durant?
10:42Here you go, Jimmy.
10:43Alec Burks, go get him.
10:49You don't have a lot of confidence in management right now.
10:52I have confidence. I trust Adam Simon's a G.
10:55I mean, that guy's finding he's finding gems everywhere.
10:59OK.
10:59Dude's like one of the seven dwarves, just like, hi ho, hi ho.
11:02It's off to find gems. I go.
11:05Oh, my God.
11:10I'll take my mind this one. I'm sorry, please.
11:14Please, immediately.
11:17Oh, that's like, stop.
11:21Yeah, but if it was a frog joke, you'd like it, Leroy.
11:25Wow. So you're you're protesting the minus one sound.
11:28I just, you know, I just think it's real convenient.
11:30All of a sudden, you know, Leroy was here.
11:32All right. Get hydrated, champ.
11:34Didn't realize.
11:35Didn't realize a manual frog boat was going to get into his feelings.
11:37Oh, you're lucky he's back at it again.