Yahan 16 Nashistain Rakhni Wali Jamaat Ko Hukoomat Day Di Gayi," Salman Akram Raja Ka Ahem Tajzia
Yahan 16 Nashistain Rakhni Wali Jamaat Ko Hukoomat Day Di Gayi," Salman Akram Raja Ka Ahem Tajzia
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00:00Bangladesh's Yom-e-Nijat is today's big story.
00:03So, do you see any similarity between Pakistan and Sargi?
00:08This is our land for these things.
00:11Elections have come.
00:12Opponents are in jails.
00:14And then someone has to run away and goes into self-exile.
00:17Then they will come back.
00:18Thank you very much for inviting me to your show.
00:22Look, it certainly comes under the umbrella of today's international political development,
00:26which has happened in Bangladesh today.
00:28Every country has its own dynamics, its own things.
00:32So, there has certainly been a development today.
00:34But it has its own completely local context.
00:36We have our own political history here.
00:39We have nothing to do with it.
00:42The circumstances are different.
00:44Look, there are a lot of examples of Sheikh Mujib in this country.
00:47Your leader used to give, Mr. Imran Khan also gives.
00:50Because we discuss so much of Bangladesh in our...
00:55No, we discuss it.
00:56Yes, it is often said that they have increased their exports.
00:59And there is an economic lesson in this.
01:02Do you remember how much debate there was about the Bangladesh model in Pakistan?
01:08Bangladesh model.
01:10No, no, I have never been in such a debate.
01:12The Pakistani model is fine for you, isn't it?
01:14No, look, we need to improve a lot of things here.
01:17And it will get better with time.
01:18But it will be better continuously.
01:20And we will strengthen the institutions together.
01:24Things will get better if you keep up with the times.
01:27Mistakes do not get better if you repeat them over and over again.
01:30The day we learn this, our country will also move towards improvement.
01:34Our problem is that we repeat mistakes.
01:37Mr. Salman, what is your take away from here?
01:40Look, whatever happened in Bangladesh,
01:44obviously, the people won, the republic won.
01:47It would have been better if it had not been won on the streets.
01:50It would have been as a result of a transparent election.
01:52But since the system of force has been in place for 15 years,
01:56the voice of the people was being suppressed,
01:58that is why the people came to the streets.
02:00There were martyrs.
02:02Hundreds of people were killed in the last 24 hours.
02:06So this is a sad incident.
02:08But we should not think that this is a specific incident only in Bangladesh.
02:13We have seen in the last few years,
02:15the Arab Spring, as we call it,
02:17in the city of Tunis, a fruit seller sets himself on fire
02:21and the whole area is engulfed in flames.
02:23So the lava that is boiling under the surface,
02:27we should keep an eye on it.
02:29The sadness and anger can burst at any time.
02:33It can become a spark.
02:35This is possible anywhere.
02:37This happened continuously in the world.
02:39Ayub Khan's era was called the decade of development.
02:42Sartaj Aziz has written in his book that
02:44when people came to the streets and there were riots,
02:48we were shocked.
02:50We thought they were in the planning commission,
02:52that we have done a great job,
02:54we have put Pakistan on the path of development.
02:56But what was the anger in the hearts of the people,
02:58what was the division, what was the difference in society,
03:00because of which people were unhappy.
03:03We were not aware of it, sitting in Islamabad.
03:06So many times it has happened in our history
03:08that the people sitting in Islamabad do not realize the reality.
03:12Islamabad is a city far from Pakistan.
03:16So we should be very careful about what people are thinking.
03:19And anything can happen at any time.
03:21The system that is established in Pakistan today
03:24on the basis of lies and deception,
03:26you have given the government to the party that won 16 seats.
03:28Now you say that you will get them to amend the constitution.
03:30You will give them special sessions for which they do not deserve.
03:33There is a fundamental principle of the constitution
03:35that the entire constitutional system is based on democracy.
03:38And the fundamental element of democracy is that
03:40no one will get more seats than they deserve.
03:43The general seats won by the people are based on that.
03:48Sir, you do not know what the people's decision is.
03:50Let's be honest.
03:51No one knows, but he is telling you.
03:53Look, we are the people.
03:55First, you have to stop the way.
03:57Mr. Bilal is making a law for that.
03:59He has brought a law.
04:00What is your law?
04:01Yes, let me tell you.
04:02I have also read that bill.
04:03It is a very interesting bill that he has presented.
04:05He is our friend, Mr. Bilal.
04:07But since I am talking on the legal and legal level,
04:10he tried to implement it in the past.
04:13The people have given an opinion.
04:15The election has been held.
04:17He tried to change his decision.
04:19Look, with all due respect,
04:20I will say that the two judges who wrote the decision
04:22were absolutely right.
04:23They disagree.
04:24Although I understand that their interpretation of the constitution
04:27is completely wrong.
04:29It is also against the text of the constitution.
04:31It is also against the spirit of the constitution.
04:33But all this was right.
04:34They would have written their decision.
04:36It is their saying that the majority decision should not be accepted by any institution.
04:40In my opinion, this is completely against the spirit of the constitution.
04:44Even the worst dictator against the constitution of Pakistan
04:47did not say that the decision of the Supreme Court should not be accepted.
04:51Look, this does not happen.
04:52When Mr. Durab Patel, when Mr. Bhutto's decision was made,
04:55he was in the minority.
04:57He thought that Mr. Bhutto should be released.
04:59But when the review came, he said
05:01that now I am bound by the majority decision.
05:03Although I disagree with the majority decision,
05:05but I will support the majority decision in the review
05:08because the grounds of the review are not in front of us.
05:14Therefore, the review was dismissed with complete agreement.
05:17This is the adherence of the constitution.
05:20The Supreme Court is the last institution for the interpretation and interpretation of the constitution.
05:24It is possible that you disagree with that interpretation.
05:26But when that interpretation is done, then we have to accept it.
05:29We can amend the constitution later.
05:32But we cannot reject the decision of the Supreme Court
05:35through a law that is below the constitution.
05:39The purpose of the bill they have presented is to
05:43stop the constitution through a simple law.
05:46You want to stop the constitution through a simple law.
05:49By the way, who told you to make this law?
05:51Because what we are talking about now,
05:54this law is coming,
05:55this is all a larger game in which a two-thirds majority should be there.
05:59It should be a judicial package.
06:00Now it has come to the point that politics is also going in that direction.
06:03After seeing a lot of things, people say that judgments are also going in that direction
06:06either to stop it or to fulfill it.
06:09So, this is the argument, the political argument right now.
06:12Whether it is the assembly or the Supreme Court,
06:16there is a political consensus behind both the political and legal arguments of two-thirds majority.
06:21So, you have to stop them.
06:22After that, you have to get these seats and get a package.
06:24No, no.
06:25Look, this is not the case.
06:26Suleman Akhund Raja sahab has the right to his view.
06:29He is joking.
06:30I laughed at his joke.
06:32The thing is that Suleman Akhund Raja sahab is like a brother to me.
06:37He was in the court.
06:38He should tell me where PTI was in that court.
06:41He was not representing PTI.
06:42PTI had no prayer.
06:44And look, the second thing is,
06:46and I will quote from this judgment.
06:47Look, this is serious.
06:49Two judges are saying that you will have to suspend three articles of the constitution.
06:55And this is effectively inserting new articles into the constitution.
06:58Sir, two judges are saying this.
07:00MashaAllah.
07:01This is the problem of this government.
07:02Sir, listen to me.
07:03Sir, you are interrupting me.
07:06I am arguing with him.
07:08Two judges out of 30.
07:10Eleven judges are saying that PTI has a right.
07:13Sir, I am telling you.
07:14How much right does it have?
07:16Some say 39.
07:17Sir, one case is not in the court.
07:19One case is not in the party.
07:20Didn't the 11 judges know?
07:21Sir, the biggest injustice is...
07:22Didn't the judge know?
07:23Sir, no.
07:24But there is a reason.
07:25Tell me a logic.
07:26Where was there a party to it?
07:27Okay, let's go.
07:28During the proceedings, PTI was called.
07:29Do you know what is the reason?
07:30I will tell you the reason of the judge.
07:32It is Mando Khail's decision.
07:33Sir, listen to me.
07:34Mando Khail's decision.
07:35I don't want to listen to you.
07:36Listen to me.
07:37Sir, you have asked me 300 questions.
07:38I know.
07:39Answer me.
07:40Mando Khail's argument is that because this election process is continuous,
07:44we can see all the processes and all the actions.
07:47Let's go, sir.
07:48PTI was made a party in the case.
07:50This is the biggest injustice you have done with the Sunni Hand Council.
07:53You have said this.
07:54You have said this.
07:55You have said this.
07:56Sir, you have willingly joined the Sunni Hand Council.
07:59That party then came and prayed that these people have joined.
08:03We think that we have a court of reserve seats.
08:05PTI did not come to court.
08:06They said that the Sunni Hand Council is above us in prayer.
08:08And they gave them seats.
08:10This is our issue.
08:11This is what the judgment is saying.
08:12Judgments can be wrong.
08:13And we have a right to opine on this.