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"Ad Hoc Judges appointment Ka Maqsad PTI Par Ban..." Salman Akram Raja's Big Revelations
"Ad Hoc Judges appointment Ka Maqsad PTI Par Ban..." Salman Akram Raja's Big Revelations
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00:00Salman Raja sahib, are you present on the line?
00:03Yes, I am present.
00:05Salman Raja sahib, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
00:07Assalam-o-Alaikum.
00:08Sir, please tell us about the ad-hoc judges. What is your sense about the four ad-hoc judges who are coming now?
00:13It is obvious that due to the timing, the matter is moving towards suspicion.
00:19In fact, it is moving ahead of suspicion and it is regrettable.
00:22It seems that the intention to send this reference regarding banning PTI,
00:28the court is trying to pack it.
00:31That such judges should be appointed in the court, who can give a positive decision.
00:37So, this is a regrettable thing.
00:39You are making a joke of all the judicial practices and all the legal practices in front of the whole nation.
00:46And I repeatedly say that you may succeed today, but you are failing Pakistan.
00:52You are telling the youth of Pakistan that there is no law in this country,
00:58there is only power and the will of power.
01:02If there is such a country, then why should anyone associate any hope with this country?
01:06We talk about economy and we say that this is a jungle.
01:10Economy does not flourish in the jungle.
01:12This is a house of regret.
01:14Mr. Malik was asking a technical legal point earlier.
01:17Let's ask you if you can answer this.
01:19When there will be ad-hoc judges, and let's say a full bench is formed,
01:25if a full court is formed, then this decision will be made,
01:30your three-member committee will decide,
01:33that the petition that comes tomorrow, let's say, to ban,
01:37or Article 6, etc.,
01:39is it necessary for a full court to be formed?
01:42First, tell me, is it necessary that if a party is banned,
01:46then a full court bench will be formed,
01:48or that three-member committee can decide anything larger than five members,
01:52because that is the minimum,
01:54or is it a moot question that these ad-hoc judges will automatically be part of the bench?
02:00Because at one place, the definition of the Supreme Court is Chief Justice and Judges.
02:05Then, there is a little ambiguity in another article that
02:08ad-hoc judges, while they have powers of a Supreme Court judge,
02:13but their stature is a little different.
02:16So, will they automatically sit on that bench?
02:18Let's say, if a full court bench is formed, will they automatically be included?
02:24Look, if a three-member committee calls for a full court,
02:27then they will be included.
02:30You may remember, the 18th Amendment was challenged,
02:33and at that time, Mr. Ramdeh was an ad-hoc judge,
02:36he sat on that full court.
02:38But this is a reward for a three-member committee.
02:41It is not at all necessary for a full court to sit.
02:43They can sit five judges, they can sit seven judges,
02:46it is a matter of the same nature.
02:48There should be at least five, but there is no need for a full court.
02:52But if they want, they can say,
02:54that the entire court, including the ad-hoc judges, will hear the matter.
02:59They can clarify that.
03:01So, there is no restriction that these ad-hoc judges will not be able to sit.
03:05So, I think that's better to go.
03:35I'm talking about the bench.
03:37Small dissents can be made.
03:39This is a very big dissent.
03:41Look, the bench that was formed for reserved seats,
03:44was formed from 2-1.
03:46Similarly, the bench that was formed for election tribunals in Punjab,
03:49was also formed from 2-1.
03:51And that bench, as you know,
03:53has stopped all election tribunals from working in Punjab.
03:56Mr. Shahzad Ahmed Khan, the Chief Justice,
03:58who formed the election tribunals,
04:00has been suspended.
04:02Practically, the election tribunals in Punjab,
04:05the petitions, the frauds,
04:07there was hope that a decision would be made.
04:10I think that hope has been extinguished by this bench.
04:13That's why it's very important
04:15how the three-member committee decides.
04:17You can't say from the beginning
04:19what the difference is between 2-1.
04:21This is also changing.
04:23Sometimes two are on one side, sometimes two are on the other.
04:26Mr. Zubairi was telling us that
04:28those people are opposing this.
04:30If the statement comes in a little while,
04:32then this is not so much of a shoo-in.
04:34This is not a settled matter
04:36whether judges come or not.
04:38They're still going to be...
04:40A hearing was called on Friday, sir.
04:42Yes, yes.
04:44Voting will still take place, right?
04:46Voting will take place.
04:48Look, we will continue to object,
04:50but this matter
04:52has to go to the Judicial Commission
04:54and then to the Parliamentary Committee.
04:56We know that in the Judicial Commission,
04:58the majority is in favor of the government.
05:00If two judges,
05:02Chief Justice and another judge,
05:04who supported the government
05:06in elevating Shehzad Ahmad Khan
05:08from the Lahore High Court,
05:10then that situation is now
05:12in the Judicial Commission
05:14that the government has a majority
05:16after the inclusion of two judges.
05:18So if this matter goes to them,
05:20then obviously
05:22the way the government wants
05:24or the way Chief Justice wants,
05:26both have the same desire.
05:28So it is decided
05:30that this will be the case.
05:32Mahesh sir, tell us one thing,
05:34when this matter of adopting judges
05:36will be settled in the coming days.
05:38Today, Mr. Khai has made a lot of criticism
05:40on the Diya.
05:42And this 8-5 decision,
05:44is this criticism of merit?
05:46Does merit mean that yes,
05:48criticism is being made?
05:50Because we were already saying
05:52that PTI has no benefit of these seats.
05:54But the situation is like this,
05:56the matter will go on like this,
05:58materially nothing will change.
06:00But were there any plans of the government
06:02that got ruined after this decision?
06:04Why do you put all the things on me?
06:06Everyone had argued on this,
06:08we also had.
06:10The plans that we were hearing,
06:12that we will do 3 year tenure posting
06:14of all Chief Justices,
06:16High Court Chief Justices,
06:18and obviously the biggest beneficiary
06:20of that is the Chief Justice.
06:22In fact, I said in one or two shows of Jisarat,
06:24that Chief Justice,
06:26why don't you announce this?
06:28That if it's a good idea,
06:30then announce that I won't take it,
06:32the next CJS will be there,
06:34so that this debate ends,
06:36so that they are favoured.
06:38Although Hasnaat had also said
06:40that he won't take it.
06:42So I think the biggest loss
06:44has been the loss of this judicial move.
06:46The rest is fine,
06:48the people who will put the show,
06:50I think the times are changing,
06:52everyone is losing hands.
06:54Mr. Mian has come from America,
06:56he has lost his hands.
06:58Oh sorry, he has come from Britain,
07:00he has lost his hands.
07:02He is losing his hands,
07:04he might not go ahead.
07:06Sir, some things go beyond the hands,
07:08sometimes the hands get fixed.
07:10But unfortunately,
07:12the Us vs Them has become
07:14too much.
07:16I want to come to this
07:18and ask you,
07:20who is this clash for?
07:22And where will this clash go?
07:24But Mr. Khalid has mentioned
07:26a plan in his press conference.
07:28I want Danyal Chaudhary
07:30and all of us to see
07:32if we really think that
07:34one plan, as you said,
07:36was a plan for a constitutional amendment.
07:38But did Mr. Khalid talk about
07:40elections in October?
07:42I want to tell you that
07:44they are waiting for October-November,
07:46they will attack the 8th of February election.
07:48This is an agenda that is being followed.
07:52They will attack the 8th of February election
07:54and the agenda is being followed.
07:56Is this correct?
07:58Look, the 8th of February election,
08:00he is talking about October-November.
08:02It should have been attacked anyway.
08:04They have destroyed it themselves.
08:06The election commission's role
08:08is not me, you, Mr. Malik
08:10or any other respectable person.
08:12The observations given by
08:14the election commission
08:16and the detailed decision
08:18will cause the 8th of February election
08:20to become a post-mortem.
08:22The issue is, what guarantee
08:24does Mr. Khawaja have
08:26that nothing will happen
08:28until October-November?
08:30This is very surprising for me.
08:32They are saying that they are
08:34waiting for October-November.
08:36Will the Yugoslavia constitution
08:38be implemented after October-November?
08:40Will there be the same constitution,
08:42after October-November?
08:44This is very surprising for me.