Once again Tua Tagovailoa is being disrespected in Top 10 QB Rankings according to First Take. Does Leroy "hate" Aaron Rodgers? The continued ongoing argument about Tua is addressed.
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00:00See they did the top 10? Mahomesboro, Allen, Jackson, Stafford, Herbert, Stroud, Rogers,
00:06Alfred, Goff, and Prescott. No Tua? No Tua. No Tua, of course. Disrespected again.
00:11This is, uh, we, we talked about pro football networks list, which, uh, excluded Tua from
00:19even being in the top 50. I can't, I can't figure out. Yeah. This'll be the first time in, like,
00:26the history of sports. Yes. Where there wasn't anything illegal involved that we just miss,
00:33just dismiss a guy that's led the league in a lot of these categories. Except for playoff wins,
00:39does not lead the league in that category. Okay. How many Herbert have? Uh, Herbert, I think he's
00:45overrated. When was the last time Rogers had a playoff win? Oh, and they got Herbert number six?
00:48Okay. That's not right. Aaron Rogers in that top 10. I mean, Aaron Rogers, uh. Joe Gordo didn't,
00:52didn't hardly play last year. I mean, Rogers, uh, he's not what he used to be, but he is,
00:57I respect multi-time MVP and long time ago, Superbowl champ. Leroy hates Aaron Rogers.
01:03I don't hate Aaron Rogers. Here's my biggest take on Aaron Rogers. He's won all those MVPs
01:09or whatever. If I gave the same identical numbers to Tua, just like they did with Peyton Manning.
01:20He only won one for some reason. We give Aaron Rogers a pass. Aaron Rogers has lost more,
01:29lost more games with more talent than a lot of teams that we don't give a pastor. Sure. And so
01:38I'm saying, why do we, why does he get a pass? You can say, cause he did this years ago. He did that
01:45man. You do you not realize what Peyton Manning lived with after only winning one,
01:52right? Probably one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game.
02:00And then he got it. And then he got his second one and he had nothing to do with it. He was
02:04full weekend at Bernie's in the second. Right. I think you're very critical of these losses.
02:08That bothers me. That bothers me because now we call him a two time Superbowl champ.
02:15And if you watch that second Superbowl, he had nothing to do with it. Exactly.
02:21Look, Aaron Rogers, according to this stat has lost 10 playoff games. Three came in overtime
02:28for the conference championship and five on the final play. It's not like he disappeared
02:32during these 10 losses. Okay. And whoever, can I say, can I say, can I say that? Yeah.
02:41Two has only been in the league and only really had playoffs twice. And you acting like he's
02:46been doing it as long as Aaron Rogers, six of those losses, the defense allowed more than 30
02:52points. I think if you're going to take anybody out of their top 10, you would take Justin Herbert,
02:58and then I would say it was Dak Prescott. Very, very over it. See, I get the same issues
03:06with Dak as I do with tour. Like the numbers are the numbers. Don't try to make the numbers
03:11something that you want them to make your point. They are what they are. So if you throw for 5,000
03:17yards and you have, you know, 20 or 30 touchdowns and 10 interceptions, those are good numbers.
03:24Those matter. Like now we want to say, oh, but those numbers are amazing because they don't win.
03:29Right. Dallas didn't win last year because they couldn't stop the run.
03:33And that takes your quarterback out of the game. So like I get it. I understand it,
03:39but to take input and especially in football, there's so many moving parts and so many people
03:46who play a role in winning or losing. We take it and put it around those 10 guys.
03:52Yeah. And that, that, that's probably what I have a bigger problem. Now there,
03:57there are going to be some moments, right? We don't break it down like this,
04:02but there's going to be moments where you want your quarterback to make that play.
04:07I a couple of years ago when Aaron Rodgers could have walked into the end zone
04:11and he patted around and through it. That's right. Right. That was a bad play.
04:14Right. It's a bad foot for him. Sure. A guy that we give all these passes to.
04:19I don't, this is the play we expect you and Rogers to make. So it's not there yet.
04:27So it's been played quarterback, comfortable quarterback for his team for two years. And
04:33we're treating him like he's a 10 year vet. So Dak Prescott, little different situation,
04:42right? Little different situation. Why? Because he's been doing it for a long time.
04:47He's been putting up numbers for a long time, but they still can't win. Yeah, for sure.
04:52You see what I mean? So if you took that same attitude towards Dak, I'd be a little less
04:59resistant because he's been playing the position for a while and playing it well for a while,
05:05but can't get over the hump. But there's been a lot of other quarterbacks. We said the same,
05:10we call Matthew Stafford. Everybody in the league said Matthew Stafford was one of the best
05:14passers of the football ever. And he hadn't won. He finally won, right? So now the best
05:22passer to ever do it has more credit. No, he's still that guy. So we pick and choose what guys
05:30get to pass. We pick and choose what guys we give that pass to. And we don't, for some reason,
05:37we treat Tua like he's been doing it for 15 years. So I don't get it. I don't get,
05:43you know, it's the same thing in basketball. When you expect these guys in their second and third
05:48year, when the great Michael Jordan didn't win till his sixth or seventh. And everybody says
05:54the sweet spot of a basketball player is 26, 27. But now all of a sudden, 23, 24 years old,
06:00you've been playing four years. Why haven't you won a championship? So that's, I fight more about
06:08those things than about the actual player, right? There's only one player I've ever said,
06:15it's time to put up or I'm done. And believe it or not, it's with the Browns of this year.
06:20Speaker 3 Oh, Sean Watson. Yeah, he's got to. I mean,
06:24with that contract, with everything that he's done, wait, yeah. With how successful this team
06:32has been without you think about that. We're just the first of all, Kevin Sebastian should
06:40be coach of the year every year because he's had 17 quarterbacks and they still win playoff games.
06:46That's incredible. So, yeah, well, that's my railing. But another part of the problem with
06:54Tua's perception is his own organization apparently doesn't believe him enough to
06:58give him an extension right now. And it's becoming, it's not helping becoming a bigger
07:01story by the day. It's not helping. That does not help his perception at all. Now, the problem is,
07:08is there's two situations that I will criticize this organization about, right? Only two.
07:19I think they've done. I think Chris Greer has done a remarkable job of having young talent,
07:26bringing in veterans, having a nice little mix, filling the voids, the type of players they need.
07:31I do. Kristen Wilkins and Tua. Those two guys, you backed yourself into a corner where you
07:38couldn't afford them. 100%. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Tua gets more expensive by the day.
07:43What, and here's what I would say. What Kristen Wilkins did at that position far and exceeded
07:54any sack numbers. 100 tackles for a defensive tackle. I'm going to say this over and over again.
08:01You guys don't realize how impressive that is. Yeah. Now to him, what's the difference for a
08:07defensive tackle between a tackle for loss and a sack? The position. That's it.
08:17That's it. Guy had like 25, 26 tackles for loss. Yeah. That means he was disruptive
08:24in the backfield. And last year he put up sack numbers. Right. Last year he put up the sack.
08:28The year before he did. This year he said, okay, I'm going to go get sacks. Yeah, exactly. Because
08:32evidently, see, here's what I hate. I got it paid. I hate when teams tell players,
08:39you're a company guy. You double do what's needed to do to win. And then when it's time to pay you,
08:44go and look at the numbers. And that's what happened with Christian Wilkins.
08:48Right. Yeah. And so guess what he did? Oh, I can get sacks. I might not be my best version of
08:56myself, but I can get sacks. And then he started getting sacks. Now was the team better? No,
09:02but he got his sacks. Right. So you gotta be careful when you say a guy's a team player,
09:09he does whatever it takes to win. When it comes time to pay him, you better acknowledge what he
09:15does do. And they didn't do that with Christian Wilkins and they lost him for absolutely nothing.
09:20Yeah. Okay. Now with Tua. Tua right now is taking the path of a Kirk Cousins
09:30to where if you can franchise him, you do realize if you franchise him,
09:36you are going to strap your team even more. Exactly. You get better.
09:39That is a hard number. Whereas one year number where if you average 53 million or 55 million a
09:47year, it's a lot different than paying somebody 53 million. Right. Cause you, cause you can load
09:53it with the signing bonus, manipulate the cap money. You don't save any cap money on the
09:58franchise. If you franchise him and you got to pay him 55 million, your team's really gonna hurt.
10:04Yeah. So they're putting themselves and they keep backing themselves up into these corners.
10:09I just wish like, yeah. Okay. You could have paid him 50 a year ago.
10:14Could have paid him maybe 45 a year ago. No, we'll wait. We'll wait. We'll wait. We'll wait.
10:21We'll wait. I just don't know why they would think that waiting would get them a better deal
10:25when it, that never happens with the quarterback market. It may happen at certain other positions.
10:30Maybe obviously it didn't happen with Wilkins, but never happens a quarterback.
10:34The numbers always go up, not down. Also, I would like to believe that an organization takes pride
10:42in the guys that they drafted and brought in. Right. You let a first rounder who was productive
10:50go for nothing and you're working on it with Tua.
10:54Yeah. I think they were kind of not that they wanted it, but they were kind of like,
10:58maybe he's going to get injured because that price goes down if you get injured.
11:02Can I just say this? Yeah. Every NFL player, right? Including myself have had one of those years
11:11where you played the entire football season hurt. It sucks because guess what? The fans don't know.
11:18The fans don't know the team, the team knows, but at the end of the year, they're going to
11:25look at your numbers and say, Oh, well you're declining and it sucks because you really want
11:31to play. And so we sit here all the time. The only person that, that never ever gets
11:41criticized for being hurt on a football field, right. Is our left tackle. Yeah, that's true.
11:47That's it. Right. Yeah. That's it. But everybody else, you get graded. Like
11:54they'll say right now about, um, one of the reasons why, um, who's, uh, the running back
12:00from Sanford that, uh, yeah, no, no, no, no. He plays here. The one. Oh, most are. Yeah. Yeah.
12:06Re most. Yeah. One of the reasons why he couldn't make big, big money is because they're going to
12:12say you fell off at the end of the year. Right. He was playing on one leg and he's about 30.
12:17Right. Right. You fell off. But this cause he's 30. Right. I mean, that's, that's what they'll
12:24say, but he also played with one leg. Yeah. Right. So like, yeah, man, like you can't,
12:34if you want to keep it real and I love what they've done with the players and,
12:38and, and how they take care of the players and, and, and whatever. But if you want to have
12:45an organization that people look to, right. You need to show that if you're our guy,
12:53right. We're going to take care of you because now you're looking at other guys that came up
12:59with Christian Wilkins or around his time. They're looking at it. Like I better get mine.
13:05Now, when you say that, how does that affect what you do on the field?
13:09Cause now you don't have to just perform for your team. You got to perform for every team.
13:15Yeah. That's right. Right. You're auditioning. Right.
13:18Leroy, why does your mic look like it's interviewing your nipple?
13:22Dude, look, it's sorry. What are you doing? Okay. I think we should go on break.
13:29How's that? See, look, I mean, yeah, it's not state like, like J Fig,
13:33she must've gotten here first. Cause she took the best microphone. The rest of us.
13:37Look, I want that seat to be, I said for Leroy to sit here and get the best.
13:46You did say that the message by pigeon, man. Right.