Taylor Kyles is joined by Miguel Benzan, aka PatsCap, to discuss some of the more interesting scenarios the Patriots face with the salary cap situation. Miguel gives his most likely scenarios for Judon and Godchaux, and gives his thoughts on the likelihood of trading Godchaux. That, and much more!
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00:00So with all this cap space and all this cap help, obviously, it seems like they're drawing the line
00:04when it comes to Devon Godshaw and Matthew Judah. Now, of course, we don't know what's going to
00:09happen. They could very well end up finding some kind of middle ground that they're both happy
00:12with. But why do you think there is so much difficulty with these two players? And what
00:17do you think reasonable deals would look like for each of these guys? Age, age, age, age. The NFL
00:24is such a young man's game. They are the, what, the Patriots only have six, maybe six guys on
00:31this team that are over the age of 30. All right. Hunter Henry and Andrews were the only ones who
00:35got extensions that are going to be 30 this year. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. It's a young man's game.
00:44Um, Bama did get paid, but Lawrence guy got released. All right. Do you believe in
00:54the talents of Keon White, Sam Roberts, Jeremiah farms, you know, saying these guys on the interior
01:02lines, Daniel Eccolet, who would got hurt last year. All right. He was pretty good. All right.
01:11He's on a relatively cheap contract. All right. If you say, well, I can't work out a deal with
01:22gotcha. And, but you can extend Eccolet, which is a little, you know what I'm saying? But for
01:31less money than what gotcha, you know what I'm saying? So you can build around, you save, you
01:38have some kit savings there. You got Eccolet plus a player to replace gotcha. That's why,
01:46um, I think it's going to happen. I've never thought that gotcha was going to get extended.
01:52I'm like, literally I've had five people when I did it, I said five people and they probably should
01:56have had six because I thought Brendan school would be the guy. Right. I never thought gotcha
02:00would be because he's like, if you want to extend it, Bob Moore, and you got these young guys
02:06talents, they have the opportunity to show up, you know what I'm saying? I don't see it happening
02:13with him, but I think the deal that that makes most sense for him is just given a hundred,
02:18a hundred jail, same money, same structure. It's given a hundred hundred deal. They're on the
02:25nine, $9 million, 27, you know, $9 million a year, $27 million in three years. But for him,
02:32because it's as an extension, it'd be a 9.3, $5 million API. So that's the agents could say
02:38you got better money, better deal than under Henry. All right. Because of the new money thing.
02:43All right. Um, I'll be pleasantly surprised if gosh, I signs a deal with them. I will not be
02:54shocked if he gets traded. Okay. I will be, I will be surprised that they don't reach a deal
03:01with Judah because it's relatively easy to do so. I just think that like they're deciding on,
03:08on negotiating on the guaranteed money, not the guarantee money for 2024. All right. No,
03:14say we're not, we know he's not getting cut. All right. We know that Judah is not getting cut
03:18period. All right. Is that, that's not happened. So we just get to say, we could also suppose,
03:24so we could think that his salary that's out there is already, it's not explicitly guaranteed,
03:32but we can say implicitly guaranteed. Right. So they're talking about the guaranteed money
03:37for 2025 and 2026. All right. I think that he's like, if I was Matthew Judon,
03:45all right, I don't want to go through this again. Appreciate years. All right. So he did this,
03:51you know, so I want guaranteed money for 2024. I want my, I want all of my salary in 2025,
03:58it's fully guaranteed. I want a good portion that you have to think about cutting me in 2026
04:06in the early part of the, of the agency, or I want a huge roster bonus in the early part of the
04:15off season. So you have to make a decision so I can go into free agency at the beginning and not
04:19at the end. Yeah. All right. One of those two things. All right. That's what they're looking.
04:24That's what if I was Matthew Judon, that's what you're looking for. If I, and I'm, and so you
04:28would talk about money. I'm thinking $15 million is the magic number. Okay. He was signed for a
04:35deal. It's about 30, the original deal, I was around 13 and a half, but the cap has gone up
04:42since then. Right. His value to the team has got up since then. All right. But he's also older.
04:49He's coming off a season. He just played four games. So let's go with 15. Let's guarantee
04:54the salary for 2024. Let's guarantee the salary, 25 guaranteed, some salary for 2026.
05:00Let's call it an end deal. Let's go. Let's go. All right. And do you think it's the team that's
05:06sorry, buddy. So do you think that's like kind of where the issue is? The team's like,
05:10we don't want to guarantee 2024 and 2025. Is that where you think they're not really?
05:14No, I don't think they want to guarantee 26. I think they're willing to guarantee 2024.
05:20That's I don't think they're negotiating about 2024. I think they're negotiating about
05:26the guarantees for 2025 and 2026. I could see Jude on saying, I'm not, I got to get my salary
05:35fully guaranteed in 2025. I can see that being a sticking point. Right. I could see, I could,
05:42let me, I got to look at Hunter Henry's deal. Is his salary in 2025 fully guaranteed? Now I
05:48got to hold on a minute. Now I don't know. I said, no, I'm just off the top of my head. Cause I,
05:51I know his numbers for 2024, but I don't remember his numbers for 2025.
05:54Oh, that's embarrassing. All right. Hold on a minute.
05:59I love it. Now I'll get you the love that you're getting in the chat.
06:02All right. All right. Okay. Hunter Henry has $6.65 million of his salary guaranteed for 2025.
06:13All right. Matthew June should definitely beat that. Okay. And his, you know, saying that's,
06:18that should be the very minimum. All right. But that's the, all of Hunter Henry. All right.
06:23If you're get willing to guaranteed a tight end, all right. A tight end, a fully guaranteed
06:30contract at 2025, you should be able to guarantee that off with Matthew June. All right. I think
06:38that the hangup is 2025 and 2026. All right. We will see what happens, folks. I'll be, I'm still
06:47on the record saying he's going to get extended. All right. I think all this other stuff is just
06:53nonsense. All this noise is just nonsense. We'll see what happens. I could be wrong. All right.
07:03But if I'm wrong, it's more likely that I'll be wrong because he,
07:11the two side, either somebody came in and offered the pages a great deal in the trade
07:17and saying, like, he's two sides come to a Richard impasse.
07:25The picture says, see if you can find a trade partner. If they can, and if they do,
07:30they give us what they want. You can go. We'll move on. That's more, if I'm wrong,
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08:00So that's why you think ends up getting traded because I think he gets traded. I, especially if
08:09the guys, the young guys show up in the, in training camp. I mean,
08:16Accolade, who else do we need to them for the show up to, to be really the top three
08:21to be a quality Jeremiah farms. Then far more played a lot of nose tackle last season.
08:27If like, they just need one of those guys, one of those guys, and then say,
08:34by God, gotcha. And then you got younger and cheaper. I'm not saying they got better
08:40because the NFL, when you, I'm not saying they got better, but they got younger and cheaper.
08:44All right. I don't think he's going to be in a roster. If I, if I'm doing a 53 man roster,
08:51I'm not, I'm not putting no, I'm not putting them on the roster.
08:57I'm not putting it up just because if he's that, like literally he's talking about this money
09:02thing. I'm like, man, you're not getting, okay. So I looked it up. All right. In terms of
09:08cap and cash this year, he's in the top 15. All right. And API he's in a 30th. I'm like,
09:15but he can't go that much more. I want to bring up the God shot stuff. All right.
09:21So doesn't it feel like really all he wants is maybe just guarantees for this year,
09:24not an extension, but just so he knows he has some money since none of it's guaranteed.
09:31Oh, I wish that was it. That'd be so simple to do. Cause literally you can just give them a raise.
09:36Literally you could give him like, he's going to get a $3.3 million this year in cash. That's
09:42what he's doing. Right. You can give him $12 million pro rate over next year. And we're done.
09:48Yeah. If that was it, it's really so simple. If it was just that it would be done like this.
09:55So you think he wants an extension since we're going through a big, like, like,
09:59I think he wants an extension that pays them more than what they think he's worth.
10:04Cause if it was, if the two sides could agree, um, on like Mike research said something about,
10:11maybe they do something about incentives and stuff like that. Right. If that was to happen,
10:19I think it would, that's the E that's the second easiest thing to do. All right. Is,
10:24but the play has to agree to it. I'm not sure I would, if I was gotcha on his shoes, I would do
10:28it. All right. I definitely wouldn't do it. Um, it's, I would see if I would definitely do it.
10:33If I was Judah, because he played so few games, he doesn't, it's so be so easy to give him
10:41millions and millions and millions of dollars and not likely be earned incentives. You could tag it,
10:47you know, you, you got sacks, you got available to them. You got the winds,
10:52you got improvement in defensive. Oh, that'd be tough. Cause the team was pretty good. But
10:56so let's say they have, you place, you got the snaps, you could tie it to snaps and wins.
11:03You can tie it to snaps and wins and play up our films. So probably want to say it's so much easier
11:08for him than for Godshaw. Um, I just gotcha has to be thinking. I looked at this the other day.
11:18Let me look at my table again. Hold on a minute. I started thinking like he can't ask for that much
11:24more than what he is right now. I was on the same page. Cause we're talking about like,
11:29obviously he is vital to their run defense, but this is a team that like you mentioned with
11:33Lawrence guy has already shown that they make this philosophically be moving on.
11:37And we've heard from players and coaches that one of the big emphases that they had for this season
11:42was having an improved pass rush. And as good as the bond God tries against the run,
11:46he gives you almost nothing on the other end of the spectrum. So I don't really understand
11:51where the leverage is for him because it makes no sense because the other guys give you both,
11:56they give you a pass rush and run defense and God Charles, more of a one trick Pony.
12:00That makes it pretty tough, even though he is a rare body type on the team.
12:03Okay. So like, all right, let's let, let's look at the bills.
12:06All of us get $17 million a year. All right. Is gosh, I was getting 10.4. Let, um,
12:15I don't think that got charged at all of them. No, no. Okay. All right. So let's, let's put the,
12:21okay. Let's put the difference Grover Stewart in Stuart in the coast, $13 million.
12:29It's closer, closer. Okay. See, right. So that, so that if, if gosh, I'll think she's at all of
12:36them. Patriots six, he's Grover Stewart. Okay. Yeah. You're not going to get it. And they can't
12:44come to an agreement. Nothing. I don't know how you bridge that gap.
12:49You can't bridge that gap. You really can't. You got to want it. And I, and I don't blame
13:00the pages for saying things like that. I, I wouldn't do it. If he thinks he's Grover,
13:04if he thinks he's at all of them, walk away. Yeah. Just walk away. It's like,
13:09you can't make a deal and he's going to be unhappy about it. Walk away.
13:15And they've already shown they're willing to do that. And for agency with Pharaoh Brown,
13:18with Mack Wilson, with Miles Bryant, like as much as they've been rewarding people on the team that
13:22they like, they've also shown like, no, we have our price for certain guys, really role players.
13:27I feel like you're a run first player. If you're a role player, you're not going to like Jelani
13:32Tobias kind of in between. Cause he is more of an early down player, but he is good in coverage.
13:36He does give you some pass rush. So I understand giving him the extension, but those other guys,
13:41it's like, no, I understand what they're doing because those are just guys who are more rotational
13:46versus like cornerstones who are consistently making those impact plays. Cause again, even
13:50gotcha as good as he is against the run. He's not Anthony Jennings where Anthony Jennings is
13:54getting you tackles for loss. He's getting stopped. Like the stat sheet is favorable
13:59and gotcha. I even said in the tweet where he's like, yeah, a lot of what I do doesn't show up in
14:02the stat sheet. That's valuable in some schemes into a certain degree. But you know, if you're
14:07going to be paying somebody, like you said, at Oliver money, you got to show up on the statute
14:11as well. And that just might not be gotcha game. Yeah. And you can't, like you said before you
14:16can't, it's hard to bridge that difference. And that's where I think that's where the difference
14:22is. I look with Jude on, I, I don't, I don't think it's the valuation of his play. I think
14:28it's the structure of the deal that's to hold up. And that's, you know, saying, I think that's
14:32the difference in, in those two players, but Jude on is when you think is going to get done.
14:37I think it's going to get done because I think it's more about the structure of the deal
14:40than the valuation of his play. So it's one of those, it's really just wait and see,
14:44they got to do the behind the scenes work, but it's not, they have until
14:51they really have until what the, if he's going to hold in that, he could hold in. All right.
14:57But they, they get to July 20, they like to get everything done by July 24th. All right.
15:02So what's, what are we less than a week away? We'll see what happens. I mean, if,
15:09okay. I'll, I wouldn't be surprised. I get a deal done this week. No, but before the 24th,
15:15I'd be surprised. They get a deal done with gotcha. I would be surprised. And I folks,
15:19I don't re yeah. I'll be surprised because I think it's more, like I said before,
15:23and I hate to repeat myself. Judon's about the structure of the deal.
15:26Gotcha is about the valuation of the play. And that's a big difference.