• 6 months ago
Bobby Manning welcomes Matt Powers from Swish Theory to talk about the 2024 NBA Draft class and who will go where in the first round and even the second round.
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00:00Hey, Bobby Manning here, welcome to a Wednesday edition of the Garn Report.
00:10We are hours from the NBA draft and we're continuing to try to piece it all together,
00:16see what could happen here.
00:17It's going to be a crazy one.
00:18Matt Powers is here with us and we don't know who's going to be there at 30 for the Celtics
00:26at this point, but the good news is I don't even think anyone knows who's going number
00:31one in this draft, 100% yet.
00:36This could be one of the crazier draft nights in terms of movement, Matt, in terms of surprises,
00:41guys going in different spots where you might not expect them to.
00:44What's it just been like trying to figure out this class?
00:48Because it's been one of the more complicated or confusing ones I think that we've seen
00:53in a while.
00:54Yeah, it's been a lot of fun in my opinion.
00:56I love not having a consensus number one.
00:59Again, reminds you of the Edwards draft where I feel like it really proves you as an evaluator
01:04whether you can handle not having consensus to rely on.
01:08You have to really sort through the tape a lot and yeah, it's been fun.
01:14I think a particularly flat draft in particular, there's some kind of mixed opinions about
01:20how much depth there is, but I definitely think there are some interesting prospects
01:24for the Celtics still, despite it being kind of a weaker draft.
01:27Yeah, I guess that's the hope is that there might be some deeper guys who follow through,
01:33some underrated options at that spot at 30.
01:3730 is tough.
01:38It's always a tough spot and we'll see if the Celtics even stay in the first round here
01:41tonight, but let's go to the top first.
01:45Seems like Risa Shea has the momentum to go number one here to Atlanta.
01:49Is that what you're expecting at this point?
01:51I think it's totally wide open still.
01:54That's where most of the smoke is going, but I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to trade
01:59down a few spots and grab Klingon or somebody traded up to get Alex Saar.
02:07I wouldn't be surprised if Reed Shepard went first, honestly.
02:10I think it's that kind of open at the top where I don't think Risa Shea is that compelling.
02:18I'm much lower on him personally, so I imagine there's mixed opinions on him as well in the
02:24league.
02:25Who do you like to the Wizards at number two at that point?
02:33If Alex Saar is there, I imagine they don't think twice about it and take him just because
02:38he's the most exciting name up there.
02:41So I imagine Risa Shea is most likely still to go number one, Alex Saar number two.
02:47It seems like there's a lot of momentum for a Reed Shepard number three to Houston.
02:51I think that seems pretty likely, if it's an important need, it's just kind of like
02:57a glue guy there among their budding young stars.
03:04And as Windhorse was saying this morning, Klingon goes three.
03:08That's where you're like, ooh, what's going on in Houston based on some of the trades
03:12that went through last night and some Durant rumors going on there.
03:17That's where things could really get exciting.
03:18But Shepard's a really fun prospect.
03:20That's a guy probably in my top three, four that I'm excited to see this class.
03:26Spurs at four, maybe Castle, they need a point guard.
03:29I think that would make some sense there.
03:32Anyone in particular there you're hot on?
03:34Yeah, it seems like they would take Castle, just seems like such a Spursy pick.
03:39I am definitely a little more pessimistic on him as well.
03:43I don't know if he'll be able to truly play point guard as he wants to.
03:49He's kind of like the guard wing version of Jeremy Sohan in a lot of ways, where he's
03:53like a really smart defender.
03:56And he's a good passer, maybe can run some pick and roll, but the lack of an outside
04:00shot is not something I would love to pair around Wimby.
04:05I just prefer to keep some options open, but it does seem like that's who they're pretty
04:08focused on at four.
04:12Yeah, and they have eight as well, which we'll get to.
04:16Pistons, who do you think is a good fit there?
04:19It seems like a lot of people talking about Matus Buzelis there, which is like, if you
04:24expect him to shoot, he kind of struggled with outside shot.
04:27I think he's below 30% from three in the G League, but he shot a lot better in high school.
04:33So if they can get like a reliable spacer who can provide some like help side rim protection,
04:37help out Durant on defense a little bit, that makes sense to me, I think, yeah.
04:43Hornets.
04:44Hornets.
04:45Number six.
04:46Let's see.
04:47So yeah, I just, I'm pulling up the Bleacher board mock that just updated.
04:51They have Klingen going six to the Hornets, which would kind of, I don't know if that
04:56would make sense with Marco.
04:58I have no idea what they're going to do.
05:02Yeah.
05:03Yeah, I don't know.
05:04I couldn't, honestly, I'm like a really big Devin Carter fan and there's been a lot of
05:08noise about him in the lottery.
05:09I think that would be an interesting, a little bit of a reach as far as where his value is.
05:15But I like, love his game.
05:16He's a really tough defender.
05:17He's someone that would fit next to LaMelo pretty well, but I'd be surprised if Klingen
05:22fell out of this top six range.
05:26So I'd imagine he's off the board at some point.
05:28Yeah.
05:29This is a really interesting territory here because there's some teams in this mix here
05:33that have centers.
05:34You mentioned Williams, mentioned the Blazers at number seven.
05:38They already have eight in, they have Robert Williams there right now.
05:42So are they a Klingen team?
05:43And then Spurs, of course, have Wimbledon Yama.
05:46So is he going to be playing next to a bigger center?
05:48That would probably be the most intriguing Klingen team at that point.
05:53Who do you think is good at seven to Portland because they have just an array of players
05:59across the board.
06:00I think they're just probably taking whoever the best guy is out there.
06:04For sure.
06:05I'm like personally very, very high on Zach Eadie.
06:09He's actually my like controversial number one pick.
06:12So I, if you want to get someone who can like set big screens for Scoot Henderson, because
06:16that's like something that Aiden doesn't really do and just like get Scoot some more space
06:21to operate and get some like major rim pressure from him too.
06:26I think that would be interesting.
06:29But yeah, I think whoever they have highest on their board, they should just swing with.
06:34Yeah.
06:35And then you got the Spurs.
06:36Will they stay in that spot?
06:37Will they move?
06:38That's going to be an interesting question.
06:40At that point, you got Cody Williams at that spot, Dillingham, maybe Carter, if he's still
06:45available.
06:46Topic, who's of course got the ACL injury there.
06:51Who's kind of next in your mind at eight?
06:54I'd be really interested in Ron Holland's fit there.
06:58He's also kind of like not the most high quality shooter, obviously, but he provides so much
07:04rim pressure.
07:05I really like the idea of pairing Wimby with just like speed and just people who can like
07:09pressure the rim constantly.
07:12So I think he'd be a really strong fit.
07:13I think Rob Dillingham would be a lot of fun here too.
07:16Yeah.
07:17Just get, get him some players that can like get their feet into the paint basically.
07:24Nine is Memphis.
07:26I don't really know what they need.
07:28They pretty much have players across the positions.
07:31Klingon would be interesting here.
07:32Of course, they need to replace Steven Adams, I think, and try to get back to some of that
07:36dynamic they had with the two bigs there.
07:38So that's who I would love to see here.
07:41Hard to imagine he'd still be there at that point.
07:44Just given some of the hype around him.
07:46ESPN's got Cody Williams here.
07:50Obviously Carter's in this range.
07:52Dillingham again.
07:53Who out of that group, if Holland's going to San Antonio, let's say you like at Memphis?
07:58Yeah.
07:59I mean, I would love to see them trade.
08:01Like they would have to trade up to get Donovan Klingon, but that's like a perfect spot there.
08:04Again, I think, again, on my like ED kick, I think there's a small, like that's a perfect
08:09fit for him in Memphis.
08:11Just like having the defenders around him already.
08:15But yeah, I think it's like whoever from that top tier falls down, they can swing with.
08:21Yeah.
08:22Again, another decent Ron Holland fit because like his energy coming off the bench would
08:28be really special for them, I think.
08:30But yeah, I could see like Cody Williams if they just want to like swing on the tools.
08:37Yeah.
08:39I think there's a lot of like interesting options.
08:40I think the board's going to be pretty messy by this point already.
08:43Yeah.
08:44Yeah.
08:45We're already at that point.
08:46Utah.
08:47Wing, guard.
08:50There's even Walker Kessler.
08:51Are they going to hold on to him?
08:52So they could pretty much go in any direction here.
08:55As you mentioned, this is where it could really get wild.
08:57We haven't mentioned Connette from Tennessee, like if they want to keep stacking wings there,
09:02that's an option.
09:03Dillingham, of course.
09:04If they want to go in the guard direction, Topic, maybe at this point, if they just want
09:08to have a guy behind George and he's probably one of the more bankable prospects they have
09:13there at this point.
09:14We'll see how long marketing hangs on there at that point.
09:17Anyone stick out here to you?
09:19Yeah.
09:20Topic would be really interesting.
09:21I think they have the patience to wait on him.
09:24Yeah.
09:25Yeah.
09:26I think he can play together with Keontae, too, where they can both kind of like switch
09:29off ball.
09:30And yeah, they have kind of like very different strengths in different ways.
09:35Bowls at 11.
09:38So there's like the rumor that that's where Devin Carter was promised, which would be
09:42like a fun fit with like Alex Caruso out of there.
09:47Like somebody who can like pull up from deep is like a really improved jump shot, like
09:52very useful defender, switchable defender, just like a good basketball player and someone
09:57that they can use, you know, Thunder at 12 is interesting.
10:00We'll see if they stay.
10:01It's still surprising.
10:02They didn't have to move this or any of their picks for Caruso, but they could get another
10:08young piece here.
10:09Of course, Cody Williams would be fun pairing alongside his brother there.
10:14I think Guard, probably their best bet, but they could go anywhere here, really.
10:18Yeah, I think Khalil, Khalil Ware is like an interesting guy for them who's just like
10:24super talented, kind of still like has his limitations on defense.
10:29Like he gets like, I love him, but he can like I'd really trust his shot.
10:34He's like a really good like he destroyed the combine athletic testing.
10:38He seems like someone like really long wingspan that the Thunder would love to like help stretch
10:43the floor also.
10:44Yeah, that's one of those guys for Boston.
10:47It's like dream scenario.
10:49You get that kind of guy, but hard to imagine him staying past the lottery even at this
10:54point.
10:55You know, he's got the outline of Porzingis a little bit there.
10:58Yeah.
10:59Yeah.
11:00And the lob threat and all of that.
11:02He's one of my favorite guys in this draft, too.
11:04And now those kind of guys have worked out the last handful of drafts here, the rim runners.
11:08And he's even willing to take some threes, as you mentioned there.
11:11So look out if the Thunder get him, Kings.
11:16Um, I would love a wing for them.
11:23Um, again, this is like if Ron Holland somewhere else falls down this far, I know, like, keep
11:28repeating him.
11:29But that would be a fun, like defensive player for them to build around.
11:35Um, shoot, I don't know who I mean, I think Tyler Smith could be interesting.
11:39That'd be kind of like a little early compared to this draft range, but I'm like super high
11:44on him.
11:45Um, just someone who can, like, space the floor a little bit, play inside a little bit,
11:49maybe provide some rim protection.
11:51He like had decent passing stats, so he's not like a total ball stopper.
11:55Um, one of the, yeah, Ignite guys, basically, for him.
11:59Yeah.
12:00And then the boys just come up again.
12:03Um, again, wing, maybe here, big man, tough to imagine.
12:09Um, yeah, I think it's like connect fell, maybe would be a fun one.
12:16Just like another NBA ready guy who can, again, give scoot some room, like if they're, they're
12:22sticking with scoot, right, as like the, like their building block that they're building
12:27everything around, give him like a really good spacer.
12:29I see like Tristan, the Silva mock to him.
12:31That's a little early for me, but I liked the idea of just like really good spacer for
12:36them at this point.
12:37Yup.
12:38And a lot of interesting wings, all of us, six, five, six, six kind of guys in this draft.
12:43Um, there'll be interesting for teams like that.
12:46Jeremy grants there.
12:47How long is he going to stay there?
12:49It's a question, but I do think that's a good position of need for them and that position
12:52every team needs across the league, uh, the heat.
12:55They always seen the nail, these packs mid round, uh, so it'd be interesting to see who
13:00they go with here.
13:01You know, they'll probably have someone in mind that they really love.
13:04Yeah.
13:05I would love to see, I say a Collier there actually.
13:08Um, I think he's like, he's a really tough player.
13:11He can like fit into the, I think he's like pretty underrated as a defender too.
13:15Like someone that you can slot in pretty quickly to give you a ton of room pressure.
13:19Like he's a really like unbelievably quick, very strong.
13:22I just think they would like transform his game in an interesting way, basically 16 is
13:28Philly.
13:29Hmm.
13:30Um, yeah, I, I think one of the like young shooting prospects could be interesting just
13:38to give, to try to get a, like a long-term maxi pairing.
13:42So you go like either Bob Carrington or Jared McCain would be interesting, I think just
13:46as like elite shooting, young players with like kind of different shooting, like a skill
13:53sets, but both like really good at it in different ways.
13:5717th LA seems like they're going to stay here.
14:00Um, could go for some big depth, could go for some creators, Gabe Vinson that didn't
14:05really work out last year, nor did Houd Trefino, so they can stay patient with him or try again
14:10here.
14:11Yeah.
14:12I mean, one last second, you mentioned, but I like hearing a lot of rumors, like him as
14:18like a backup big to just, um, relieve, um, Anthony Davis here and there would be fun.
14:24Um, again, if where happens to fall here, just to give them some more big depths, I
14:28think that would be a really good fit to magic at 18, a lot of guards here could still use
14:34some more.
14:35Maybe Mark Hill folks gets away, uh, big man, depth Mo Wagner's free agent.
14:39We'll see if he sticks around.
14:41Defense potential here is well, um, anyone in particular, um, I, I'm not as like crazy
14:50about this spot from, I mean, again, if like Bob happens to like fall to them, but I think
14:56they need like game ready, like shooters, basically like jet Howard still seems to be
15:01taking a little while to come around.
15:04So again, like a Jared McCain, Bob Carrington type, just like get your shooting outside
15:08shooting fixed.
15:10Um, see if one of those guys works out.
15:13That's the way the Raptors went last year with Grady Dick.
15:16Um, we'll see what they do this time around.
15:19Uh, four spot, maybe could use some help.
15:22It's interesting.
15:23You probably want to put a raw shooting around Scotty Barnes.
15:25He can't go wrong with another shooting wing here.
15:27I would think.
15:29Yeah.
15:30There's a reason why that like Tristan De Silva is being mocked in the first round so
15:33much, even though he like, wasn't the most productive all around player.
15:36He's just like a hell of an outside shooter at six, nine, um, can take like no load threes.
15:42He's like, somebody just provides that instance spacing for them.
15:45Um, I'm a bit lower on him, but I think he'd be a really good fit with the Raptors.
15:50So we moved to 20 calves.
15:52Uh, I think, I don't think we mentioned George, you know, maybe, uh, maybe you, you end up
15:58seeing Garland go out the door here and they need another guard to come up the, uh, um,
16:04mix there.
16:05I think for, you may have mentioned McCain again, Carrington, um, Walter, we haven't
16:10really mentioned.
16:11I don't, they've needed a wing for a long time.
16:14Uh, we'll see how long they keep rolling with a coral here.
16:17So winger guard seems like the move here.
16:20Yeah.
16:21I think someone that might be a little bit of a reach based on where they're being mocked,
16:24but I think it would fit in really well and play like immediately.
16:27Well, there would be KJ Simpson from Colorado is just a really good on ball and off ball
16:33player.
16:34Um, gives them flexibility as like, he's a perfect six man.
16:37I think he's a really good scorer, hangs in defensively as like a good vertical athlete.
16:43Um, just someone you can slot next to Garland or Donovan Mitchell and like be successful.
16:50This is where it starts to get a little more clear.
16:52Again, the middle of the first is going to be pretty wacky from like 10 to 20, new Orleans,
16:5721 Valentuna seems like he's out the door here.
17:01So they're probably going to need a center.
17:03Maybe it's a Missy there from Baylor.
17:07Maybe if we're still there at that point, you go with him, but that seems like their
17:10biggest need in terms of development homes around this range too.
17:14It seems like.
17:15Yeah.
17:16I love their own homes.
17:17Um, he's someone who's like a bit of a tweener between power forward and center.
17:22Um, but also he's like probably the most versatile big in the class.
17:26So you can kind of like, again, gives you that flexibility.
17:30Um, Missy seems like a popular option.
17:32I think he's kind of like really raw and not really ready to contribute on very quickly.
17:37Um, Kyle Filipowski would be another good, like depth option among bigs for them.
17:4322.
17:44I don't think any team needs to nail their late first more than Phoenix, uh, and get
17:49a guy who's ready to contribute there.
17:51Uh, maybe you look at some of those wings we've tossed around, uh, Walter at this point,
17:57maybe, um, Ryan Dunn seemed to slate into this range, um, on a lot of boards.
18:04Anyone stand out that would fit well in Phoenix.
18:07I think, um, Baylor Shireman could be a really nice immediate fit.
18:11Just like shooting the most bankable shooting, um, can like, maybe it can hang in decently
18:17defensively.
18:18Um, let's see who else I, I'm a really big, um, Terrence Shannon jr fan, just like he's
18:25like such a great athlete.
18:27Productive, like college players.
18:30I think you would fit in really well, uh, bucks, a lot of buzz that they could move
18:35Lopez here and try to improve through that means that would open up certainly a need
18:41at big, uh, a lot of buzz Filipowski here, uh, the shooting next to Giannis and size.
18:47They love playing double big.
18:49That would make some sense to me.
18:50Seems like a guy who's a little, uh, more ready than some of the other guys in this
18:54range to, to step right in and contribute right away.
18:56And that's what they need in Milwaukee.
18:57Yeah.
18:58I, I really like, uh, Johnny Furphy as an option too.
19:02He's like, I think he's ready to be a spot up and cutter guy who like he won't get destroyed
19:08on defense.
19:09Like he's got some decent size, um, and he's still young enough that he has some upside
19:14left, um, and like maybe can handle some ball handling reps down the road, but right now
19:19it can be a pretty immediate, like spot up guy, I think.
19:22Let me get the back-to-back Knicks picks, uh, some done buzz here.
19:26Uh, I think we still have, uh, George on the board here.
19:31They got their wings certainly here.
19:33So maybe they're looking at big, if Hartenstein's out the door, uh, guard depth, always something
19:39teams need.
19:40So they could go in a bunch of different directions here.
19:42It's actually hard.
19:43I guess if a couple of guys go out the door here, uh, after that trade, uh, they're going
19:48to need some younger, cheaper guys.
19:50So they could use both of their picks.
19:51Um, are there two guys here that stand out?
19:54Yeah.
19:55Ryan Dunn comes up a lot for them.
19:57Um, I don't know if his like offense is ready to fit into the Knicks system.
20:02Um, but he's like a hell of a defender.
20:05He's like one of the best defensive wings I've, I think he's the best defensive wing.
20:09It's hard to see him getting past these two picks.
20:12Yeah.
20:13Yeah.
20:14I, just to throw out a name that's like, or a couple of names that are out of left field
20:18that I think they could take a little early.
20:20It would be Nikola Juricic.
20:22Um, he was Nikola Topic's teammate.
20:25Um, just like a really smart player, like versatile, um, really good passer can like
20:31really good driver, um, tough defender.
20:34I think he could fit in well.
20:36And also, um, Tristan Newton from UConn.
20:38I think some team could like reach on him just cause he's so NBA ready and he's got
20:43decent size, like good shot maker.
20:46I think I wouldn't be surprised if like him or Cam Spencer, as far as UConn guys, like
20:51one of them went way early than expected, just cause you have that ready, that availability
20:56of like, Oh, we saw exactly what it looks like for them to perform at a high level.
21:02This feels like some more center range here, uh, depending on who's the left wizards, uh,
21:07they got their couple of wings, Kulibaly, Saar probably going there, uh, guard, you
21:12could use some upgrade here too.
21:14I think this is a good guard range too, for them.
21:16Uh, so you have to think guard or big here.
21:18They have a lot of wings already that they're trying to give minutes to.
21:21Yeah.
21:22Yeah.
21:23Again, a good, like Shannon spot, um, good day run home spot.
21:26Um, good Phillip house to be spot, like whoever I would just take whoever falls, you know,
21:32Minnesota at 27.
21:34Um, I've heard a lot of, a lot of people like the KJ Simpson fit here.
21:40Um, again, that might be a little early to take on them, but to give them that like backup
21:44guard flexibility would be really nice.
21:46Um, I see Johnny for a fee, mocked them by bleacher report, which another like player
21:51that's pretty ready to play, but also has it upside.
21:55Um, they've been pretty smart with their draft picks in general.
21:59So I, let's, I don't know, I'm really curious who they take here.
22:0328.
22:04Uh, a lot of homes buzz here.
22:06If he's still there for Denver at this point, um, need to bake that behind yoga.
22:11She can't be playing a 48 minutes a night.
22:14Yeah.
22:15That's the perfect fit for them.
22:16Um, someone that can like move a little bit outside of the perimeter can space the floor.
22:21Some, um, can maybe give you some backup center reps.
22:25Um, I think I really liked Aaron Dylan Jones would be interesting there too.
22:31It's a guy who does a little bit of everything, um, at the wing spot, you know, maybe another
22:36attempt to replace Bruce Brown there.
22:37Uh, so that's another one I'll toss out there 29, Utah, uh, they could go in a million different
22:43directions again here.
22:44They, they, they'll just take whoever.
22:46Yeah.
22:47Yeah.
22:48I, it's tough to predict this one.
22:50I could see them taking Paco on daddy, the like young French player, um, who's another
22:56like four spacing wing, um, big wing, um, who has some like finishing upside, just swing
23:02on talent basically.
23:04Yeah.
23:05And that brings us to the Celtics.
23:08So we'll kick around some of the names who are left here.
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24:04So Celtics on the board 30 here, uh, funny enough, Matt, I feel like if the draft goes
24:12the way it did with daddy there at 29 and some of the other names we tossed off the
24:16board at this point, that just only reinforces in my mind, the case to trade back here, let
24:22some other team jump into the first round, get a guy that really like, uh, and maybe
24:25get a pick or two in that 40, 50 range there, uh, coming back or a future second beyond
24:31that.
24:32Um, so I have a hard time imagining them picking here, but if they stay here, a lot of interesting
24:39possibilities, Jalen Tyson, who I don't think has worked out for them, at least the court
24:43according to the list I've looked at is an interesting guy who's been connected to them
24:49on a lot of different mock drafts, including ESPNs at this point.
24:53I think he's a mold of a player that could really help them right away, but they're probably
24:57a team that's more willing to be patient on a guy who needs some time at this point to
25:02shooting, uh, possibly something they need at this point to, you mentioned Tyler Smith.
25:06Uh, I guess the guy who could maybe be someone that teams reach on in the middle of that
25:11first round, uh, he, if he's available at this point, it would be interesting.
25:17Just someone that behind the scenes can work on his game and the shootings there, which
25:21they like.
25:22And, uh, that one would surprise me a little bit, but if they're going to big man direction,
25:26that's probably the most talent that would be left at this point.
25:30I think of a guy like Mogbo at that spot as well, uh, who's been in their facility, who's
25:35worked out for them, um, a color if they like a wing.
25:39So there's a lot of options here, but the tough part for Boston is you can probably
25:44move back and get any one of the guys that we're going to kick around at this spot.
25:48But is there anyone that stands out in particular for Boston at 30?
25:52Yeah.
25:53I mean, I've, I'm Jonathan Mogbo's like biggest fan out there.
25:57So I, I saw he was mocked in the latest bleacher report this morning there at 30 as he's been
26:02kind of consistently moving up, but I think he'd be an awesome fit.
26:06He's like very switchable.
26:08Um, he, I think he'd fit in with the Celtics system right away.
26:12Like really, really intelligent passer, um, who also rebounds really well and like was
26:16second and dunks and the entire NCAA, it's a Zack Edie, despite being only six, six is
26:21like has a crazy catch radius.
26:23Um, I would, I would love to see him in Boston for sure.
26:27Yeah.
26:28And the interesting part about him is I've done three draft preview pods at this point.
26:33His name comes up every time.
26:35And it's interesting because he's six, six, so a little small for a five guy, if that's
26:40going to be his position shooting, will it be there for him?
26:44Didn't really take threes in college.
26:47So what kind of player, what kind of role do you see him becoming on a team like Boston?
26:52Yeah.
26:53He's, it's kind of tricky to figure out exactly how the role is going to work because he definitely
26:59has a four on defense, um, but he rebound like he, I don't think he has.
27:04So his, his backstory is he was like really short, like as a point guard, all in high
27:09school had a huge growth spurt and is now a big, um, I think he can work in the dunker
27:16spot a lot.
27:17I have trust in him.
27:18He's still like a 70% free throw shooter.
27:20So I don't think the three point shots, a totally foregone conclusion that won't work
27:25out when he was a guard, he would take like pull up threes and stuff like that.
27:29So maybe there's some like lag and coordination to get to that point where like he's an outside
27:34shooter.
27:35Um, maybe the Celtics have patience to figure that out.
27:37Um, but you can have him as like a rim runner, like cutting to the rim, like great, like
27:43bring the ball up in transition.
27:45He can kind of run some of those like delay top of the key stuff that like Al Horford
27:48does just kind of like going through, um, finding play finishers.
27:52Um, but yeah, I think he's, he's versatile enough.
27:56You can find a lot of like odd jobs here and there for him basically.
28:01Yeah.
28:02And he is close to 23.
28:03So is there room for growth?
28:05Is there upside there?
28:06That's another question.
28:07But the mold of the player, the passing ability certainly, uh, is something I think will intrigue
28:12them, especially if Luke Cornette shakes loose this off season, a guy who can do some high
28:17dribble handoffs and, uh, make some plays out of the role.
28:21That's all really intriguing for them.
28:22But again, they can probably move back a little bit and still get him at, I don't know,
28:2834 blazers have a couple of second round picks that they could consolidate in that top 10
28:32range.
28:33Uh, so they'd be a team to probably watch they're moving up.
28:35I'm trying to think of another team with like multiple second round picks.
28:39Maybe the Spurs really want someone there to get back into the first round jazz, certainly
28:44have a million picks in the future.
28:46So some of those teams that are within striking distance, daddy is really interesting there
28:50too.
28:51If he's still there at 30, would a team leap up and try to grab him?
28:56Uh, it seems like that's kind of his range there.
28:59So Mogbo, I don't think there's a lot of concern about him being gone at this point, but say
29:04he is who would be a backup option for Boston there at 30 or 34, wherever they end up in
29:10this range.
29:11Yeah.
29:12Um, again, like if any of like just the guys that we mentioned, if any of them fall, if
29:18you have like Phillip Palsky, Holmes, Terrence Shannon, um, Tyson, I like a lot.
29:24If any of those guys fall, I would not trade back and just like take the pick there.
29:29Um, but as far as guys that we've talked about that would be available, I think like Baylor
29:33Shireman would be a really good fit.
29:36Just to give you some flexibility in case Hauser leaves, um, another, like ready to
29:40play like great defender.
29:42I mean, great, um, rebounder.
29:43Okay.
29:44Um, yeah, but, um, yeah, I, I, I would just see who falls honestly.
29:52Um, there's a lot of different like directions they could go.
29:56Yeah.
29:57McCuller you mentioned would be a really good fit.
29:59I think he's like got some Celtics in them.
30:02Um, but yeah.
30:05Who do you like in the second round?
30:07Um, obviously 54 would be tough to project, uh, going back that far, if that's where the
30:12Celtics end up picking in the second round, uh, let's say maybe they move up a little
30:16bit in the second round to grab someone they like, wait for someone to drop into that late
30:20range in the second there.
30:21Uh, is there someone in that second round?
30:23You think maybe a project, maybe someone who, uh, could drop pretty far in this draft.
30:29I know this is, this is as tough to project of a pick as any here at 54, but a second
30:34round prospects, who would you like to Boston at that point?
30:38There's one name I hadn't mentioned that I, I actually, I'm high enough that I'd be
30:42fine.
30:43I'm taking him at 30 and there's a chance that he falls all the way.
30:46This far, I think is oh, so a good arrow out of market where they might like trade up from
30:50a little bit.
30:51He's like such a Celtics player.
30:54He's like perfect when you said it like smart passer, um, like can rebound, like protect
31:01the room a little bit, um, has like a killer floater, a talker communicator too.
31:07Yeah.
31:08Yeah.
31:09He's a Celtic in a lot of ways, so let me see if they can reduce the temptation to take
31:13him.
31:14But, um, yeah.
31:15Who else?
31:16We got Trey Alexander would be kind of fun.
31:19Um, Tristan Newton, I mentioned previously, he's just like a smart, like ball custodian.
31:25You can like throw out there pretty quickly.
31:27Um, AJ Mitchell would be really cool.
31:30It's just somebody that can run a lot of pick and rolls for them as like a backup point
31:34guard.
31:35Um, from UC Santa Barbara, so it didn't play at the highest level of competition, but just
31:40really good at like slicing through traffic, um, can hang in there defensively.
31:45Um, let's see who else?
31:47One like kind of deeper sleeper who I think might be available as probably will be available
31:52as undrafted free agent would be Dylan DeSue from Texas.
31:56He's another just like really smart switchable can pass his like developed an outside shot.
32:02I'm kind of really surprised he hasn't been talked about more as like a second round pick
32:07because he's like perfectly NBA ready.
32:10Um, he just like had a couple of ACL injuries, which is probably reducing his draft stock
32:15a lot or not.
32:16I think one ACL, I don't know, but, um, just a very versatile player who I think would
32:21fit well in the Celtics system also.
32:23Yep.
32:24And if they don't go mogbo at 30, you could go the Enrique Freeman route late in the second
32:30here too, if he's still there again.
32:32So many guys in this draft who could go 50, 35, 30, 45.
32:39Like there's just a massive range on a lot of these guys, especially between rounds here.
32:43So I think some of the names we kicked around in the late first round, Shireman, uh, Shannon
32:50done even maybe he's there at 30, but it doesn't really seem like a Celtic anyway with the
32:54offensive concerns.
32:56A lot of those guys, I think Filipowski too, who I would really like at 30, if he's still
33:00there just because of his readiness to contribute, they need a five who's potentially ready to
33:05step in and play some minutes for them.
33:08Those guys, I think, seem more likely than not to me to be gone at that point.
33:11So I think we are talking about the mogbo's, maybe Dadier if they want to try to even stash
33:16a guy, if he's willing to do that.
33:19And then, you know, some of these wings into the second round, they're Jalen Bridges too.
33:23Someone who could probably fit with them.
33:25So a lot of names tossed around here.
33:28Two nights.
33:29Are you a fan to the switch?
33:31Sure.
33:32I don't, I don't know.
33:33I don't have a strong preference.
33:34It makes a little, I mean, it gives us more time to give us a breath.
33:39Yeah.
33:40So, well, he is Matt Powers, uh, check out his work over at the Swish Theory.
33:48I'm sure you guys have a lot of content coming out, clean up to and throughout this draft
33:52here.
33:53Yeah.
33:54Yeah.
33:55We got, I put my big board out last weekend.
33:57We have our like consensus one, um, dropping in a couple of hours, um, with like full write-ups
34:02and everything.
34:03A bunch of, we have like a huge defensive Zack Edie article.
34:06We had Ron Holland article, all kinds of stuff.
34:09So just check out the SwishTheory.com.
34:12So Edie's your favorite guy in this draft, huh?
34:16Yeah.
34:17Yeah.
34:18I think he like, you shouldn't ignore his like historic dominance for NCAA prospects.
34:23I think he's going to be really hard to cover, cover.
34:25And like, if you can't throw a single coverage on them, like there's no other prospect like
34:31that in this class, you know, um, just like the upsides to immense for me, I think he's
34:37seven, four and seven, 10 wingspan and has good touch.
34:40Yeah.
34:41That's a crazy draft story.
34:43Him going from a guy who was slotted at like 50 last year to be potentially a top 10 pick
34:48here in this class and thriving in the NBA.
34:52So I'm looking forward to see where he lands.
34:54Again, another guy with a wide, wide range there at the top of this draft.
34:57So that's the fun tonight that might not be the women Yama's and Zion Williamson's of
35:02the world, but you do have a lot of potential surprises, uh, up and down the draft board
35:08here as high as number one.
35:09So we'll see starting at eight o'clock tonight.
35:12Thanks again, Matt.
35:13Great meeting you.
35:14Great talking.
35:15You're here, uh, this morning and now it's time.
35:17Let's just see who's going to be there for Boston at 30, who's going to go number one
35:21and everything in between the draft starts tonight at eight o'clock.
35:24We will have a live show leading up to the start of the draft, and then we'll go live
35:28just before the Celtics start, uh, going on the clock at 30, then we'll go right through
35:33the pick or trade or whatever they end up doing there at the end of the draft actually
35:36works out pretty well for us in terms of streaming tonight, uh, sorry, the draft end of the draft.
35:41So, uh, we'll be here.
35:43I think Jimmy just sway here tonight as well for everybody watching, uh, and you can join
35:48us live tonight, uh, for our draft show.
35:51Thanks again, Matt.
35:52Good luck with all the coverage tonight and, uh, we'll talk to everybody later tonight.

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