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Transcript

00:00All right. Hello, everybody, and welcome to Patriots First and Goal. I am Alex Shane,

00:04usually breaking down the Patriots of new with my good buddy Rich Hill. But given recent

00:09circumstances, given the time on the calendar, this is a Tom Brady Appreciation Podcast, Rich Hill.

00:15Tom Brady is inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame this week. Pretty massive celebration,

00:20a little different than ones we've seen in the past. Gillette Stadium was completely sold out.

00:24There were like Jay-Z opened, I think. Did you watch any of it or are you more focused on the

00:28Celtics? You know, I prioritize watching the Celtics just because, you know, the highlights

00:35will be there from the inducted Celtics. You only get the finals so often, so you want to embrace

00:45it while you're there. No, it's true. I mean, I was kind of going back and forth. I was live

00:48streaming on Twitter, so I had my laptop on my right and the game on the TV. The good thing

00:54about basketball is it's kind of like football in that not that much happens outside of the

00:59three-point arc. There's a lot of commercials, so it's kind of a nice timing. The things I really

01:04like to see, though, I mean, it's really cool to see so many Patriots come out, so many teammates

01:07came out. I don't know if you watched the Randy Moss segment, how he got a standing ovation,

01:11really got emotional over that. Belichick's speech I thought was great about Tom Brady in

01:17the sand trap or whatever at the Pro-Am, I thought it was really funny. Brady's speech

01:21was awesome. It was really cool, and it just reiterated, I already knew, but it really

01:25reiterated what a special player Tom Brady was, what he brought to this team, to this region,

01:32to New England, to Boston sports in general, and how we're just never going to see anybody like him

01:37again. No, not at all. I mean, to quote Brady on that, it wasn't just him. It wasn't just Belichick.

01:45It was the two of them together, having just the perfect convergence for the entire length

01:52of the career of one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, now the greatest quarterback of all

01:57time, and one of the greatest coaches of all time, in my book, the greatest coach of all time.

02:02You're never going to get that. The odds of both of that happening were already infinitesimally

02:06small, and then to have the ownership group, to have the right players around, to have the right

02:11staff around, to have the ability to keep replenishing and replenishing, you're not going

02:15to see those runs again, especially in the salary cap era. No, you aren't, and that was really fun

02:20to watch that, really fun to kind of relive that a little bit, have some nostalgia. It was really

02:24cool to see, kind of celebrating one dynasty, while maybe watching a new dynasty, or at least

02:30it's kind of cool. The Celtics are clearly the best team in Boston right now. For a long time,

02:34they were a little bit of a joke, and so it's cool to see how the ebb and flow of professional sports

02:38in this great city we celebrate come to fruition. But again, this is the Brady Podcast. It's all

02:42about Tom Brady, good timing, kind of a dead time on the calendar. Let's get into it, Rich. First

02:46and goal, I don't know when you first started watching football, or when you started watching

02:51Tom Brady. Do you have your first distinct Tom Brady memory, good or bad? Oh, totally. I mean,

02:57like I very distinctly remember the Mo Lewis hit on Bledsoe, and just like Tom Brady trotted back

03:05out onto the field kind of a thing, with like no expectations whatsoever. I was like very clearly

03:10like, oh, okay, this season's clearly over, already not a good look, and this is gonna be really bad.

03:16Okay, sure. Who else is on? That was the level of focus on that. But I feel like the best,

03:25or first big positive memory might not even be like Brady himself, but that Lonnie Paxton

03:31Snow Angel in the Tuck Rule game. I feel like that for me is the first like, oh,

03:37Brady kind of has it, huh? Like, for me, I feel like those were the two of like, okay,

03:42this was the start of my perception. And that was when I was like, oh, he's something special.

03:47Interesting. Yeah. I mean, I think there's definitely some a lot of moments in that

03:50first season. Obviously, nobody saw what was coming in the future, when Tom Brady was starting

03:55during that 2001 season. But it's funny, I remember very little of the Mo Lewis game beyond

04:00just like the highlights I've watched over the years, mainly because Brady came in with like,

04:03I think there was like five minutes left in the game, and he went five of 10 for 46 yards.

04:08So it wasn't exactly a immediate blowout where Tom Brady came in, just lit the league on fire.

04:13But his following his first start the next week, I remember pretty well as the Colts,

04:18it was the first ever Peyton Manning, Tom Brady game. And I don't remember a lot about that game

04:23itself. Because I was I was this was 2001. So I was what 2020 years old, watching this game.

04:29And I was very excited. I went to school in in Providence, Rhode Island, and being from

04:32Connecticut. It was always giants on the local broadcast, being a Connecticut kid. And when the

04:39rare case, it was the Patriots, odds are it was blacked out because they couldn't sell the stadium

04:42out. So I finally got to live in a region where I could actually watch the games without having

04:47to go to the ESPN highlights. I remember seeing Tom Brady play. I'm like, this kid's not terrible.

04:52He throws a lot of screen passes to Kevin Falk. I remember a lot of screen passes to Kevin Falk,

04:57kind of my first memory of Tom Brady, which is pretty appropriate. I feel like Brady never

05:01changed. Never. Yeah, it's kind of just he just he knew who he was. He was very cerebral player

05:07from the start. Obviously, there were the growing pains. But I'll always remember the first of the

05:11epic Brady Manning battles. Brady got the best of that one, courtesy of the running game and a lot

05:16of screens to Kevin Falk. So I feel like that's a nice first memory for me to have. Totally. I mean,

05:21I feel like for Brady, he was there for so long. So it's hard to choose just like a moment kind of

05:26a thing. But I always felt like the trait that really made him stand out was his selflessness.

05:32Like obviously, he was going to try and get his because he's a competitor. But the way that he

05:36was always willing to do what was necessary for the team in order to win, is what allowed him to

05:42both stick around for so long, but also set so many records and have some of those like Gretzky

05:48kind of no one's going to be able to beat his like win record with over 40 passes or is over 50.

05:54Like it's just he's the only one with a winning record on it. And it's by far everyone else is

05:58well under 500. And it's because he always played within himself. He was that smart player where

06:03maybe he doesn't have the arm strength of Peyton Manning, but he did have an arm. Maybe he didn't

06:08have like the physical mobility of an Aaron Rodgers, but he may do. And he just made up for

06:14it with his pliability and ability to navigate within the pocket. He just did all of the little

06:19things so so well, but also just always made the right choice. That was what made him so

06:25different from others is that when he was in the zone making the right choice, whether that was

06:30dumping it up to Kevin Falk, because that was what was available. He always put the team in the best

06:34position to win. Always Nobel checking his speech at the Hall of Fame ceremony talked about how few

06:40bad plays Tom Brady made. That's like a hidden stat. You just don't see the number of bad plays

06:45this team made was so low. And that was a Brady thing. That's the Brady effect that people seem

06:50to refuse to acknowledge. They're trying to talk about stats and mobility and all that stuff. But

06:55being in that position all the time and knowing you have a quarterback whenever he's on the field,

06:59you're in it. It's just a remarkable thing that we're never going to see again. To that end,

07:03being in it to being these remarkable game second and goal Rich Hill. Do you have a personal in your

07:08opinion, the best Tom Brady game regular season or postseason like one game really stand out to

07:13you in particular? Yeah, I mean, there's like a lot of games to definitely choose from. But the

07:17game that sticks out to me as like the the moment that he went from being one of the greatest

07:24quarterbacks of all time to Oh, he's gonna be the greatest was that divisional round game against

07:30the Ravens in that 2014 season. So January 2015. But it was when they had those back and forth,

07:35they had multiple 14 point deficits, and they just clawed their way back over and over and over

07:39again. And they had some of those trick plays, you know, the Danny Amendola, Edelman connection,

07:45and then just a few others. But specifically that the pass to Brandon LaFelle that gave them the

07:52lead like five minutes to go just a beautiful drop in the bucket, under pressure, high stakes.

08:00This was again before they had won their fourth Super Bowl. So this was still with all of the

08:04pressure on their backs of will they ever get over the hump again. And for him to just continue

08:10to respond and respond and respond, especially after you know, the war on to Cincinnati at the

08:15beginning of the season. That was truly them going over the top. That was them cresting,

08:21I feel like in my mind of when Brady also just ascended to a different level. You know, like

08:262013. He did his best as he could with like Aaron Dobson and Kendrill Tompkins and you know,

08:32to his credit did a great job. But there was a very distinct moment that happened in the 2014

08:36season that lasted for the rest of his career, when he became supernatural, they were he could

08:43control and make anything happen that he wanted to happen that he could impose his will. And that

08:49happened in that 2014 season. And that was just an example of it in the postseason in the clutch when

08:55they needed it most. And obviously they went on to beat Seattle. But that was the moment in my

08:59head where I was like, Oh, that pass to LaFell will stick in my brain forever as like that is

09:03that is Tom Brady at his best. That I mean, I wrote about that in my offseason countdown as

09:08a single greatest I've ever seen him make not only the throw itself, but like that entire drive. I

09:12feel like that was like a textbook like a boxer using the jab and the hook to set up a massive

09:19knockout punch the entire drive the way he orchestrated it, pushing guys out forcing the

09:24Ravens to cheat close to the line. So a lot of the short passes got him where he wanted them

09:27to hit LaFell on the on the go route right in the bucket between two defenders to take the lead that

09:32they wouldn't relinquish. Yeah, what a game. It's one of those games where I would call that the

09:36most fun I never want to have again, watching that game. Because it was just like I didn't

09:41have a moment of enjoyment until the last I think it's Deron Harmon picked it off to close it out.

09:46Yeah, that wasn't fun for me in the slightest until until the game was actually over. But

09:51now that I'm on the good side of it, it was something pretty, pretty incredible.

09:55For me, it's I'm a little biased because I was actually at this game, but I was at the

10:00Kenbro Tompkins game. Where's the ponies? I was there. I was one of maybe like 10,000 fans left

10:08in the stadium. After that, you know, the game was was over. No timeouts a minute and 40 seconds on

10:15the clock. He was throwing it to Austin Colley. At that point, there really wasn't any chance.

10:20And he hit Kenbro Tompkins in the back of the end zone. And I've never there. The only time I've

10:26experienced a sports moment as electric as that was when I was overseas in England visiting family

10:33at a Premier League game, which doesn't really count. That's a whole different different beast.

10:36But Brady to Tompkins in 2013. In terms of just the reason I didn't leave was well, a primarily

10:42I took the train in and the train left at a certain time. I couldn't go sit there. So let's

10:45be honest, first of all, but I wouldn't have left anyway. Because like I said earlier, the podcast

10:49when Tom Brady is on your team, you are always in it. If it is a one score game, you are in it. I

10:56know people who don't like Tom Brady talk about how like he wills his defense to make plays. And

11:00if Tom Brady wasn't on the sideline talking the cornerback up, he never would have made the

11:05interception that sealed the game, which is very narrow minded because he brings that force

11:10multiplier mentality to everybody around him. And yeah, I got Tom Brady, we can make a play for him.

11:16And it's going to make sense. You know, if I go all out and I lay my body on the line here,

11:20we're going to get the ball into Tom Brady's hands. He's going to make a play. And I think

11:24that Saints game really exemplified that because they came out of nowhere, snatched victory from

11:27the jobs with the feet as they had so many times due to that Tom Brady factor. He's also a good

11:33game. He played well the entire game. It's not like he was like this one moment, but Brady plays

11:36well a lot. But then he just transcends humanity when he needs to. And I think that's something

11:43you're just born with and you have it. And Brady had in spades. It was pretty early.

11:47But and also it's one that he built, you know, he had that aura about him where you had this

11:51entire, you know, the second dynasty of all of those players just buying into the myth of Tom

11:56Brady. And that was worth something, you know, like that whole, I mean, like, you just gotta

12:01believe it's because Brady did it over and over and over again. He earned that reputation. It

12:07wasn't given to him. It wasn't something that he was just handed. And it was something that he

12:12earned over and over from that very first Super Bowl from that tuck fumble tuck rule game where,

12:17you know, he was able to lead them against the Raiders for that venetian field goal. Like,

12:23it happened over and over and over again, where he he earned that reputation, and he didn't

12:29relinquish it. There was not a point where he was like, you know what, I'm going to take the foot

12:34off the gas. It was one where, you know, we've talked about like favorite games, there could be

12:39so many of those, like the was it the first game back after he tours ACL against the Bills,

12:45scores with like a minute and a half to go. And like, you know, kick return was Leo McKelvin

12:51fumbled it. And I don't know, was Ben Watson or Ben Jarvis Green, someone recovered it that and

12:56then that was just like, Oh, touchdown to Ben Watson, we're going to take the lead and we're

12:59going to win. Like we haven't lost to the Bills in a billion years. Today is not that day. And

13:05very, like to be able to have that sort of aura about yourself is something that I'm curious to

13:12know if anyone's ever going to be able to replicate for the Patriots. I think there are certain

13:16players that have that around the league. Like, if Patrick Mahomes has the ball, no matter the

13:22score in the second half, they have a chance to win it. But it's one where it felt very much like,

13:28you know, Patrick Mahomes is a magician, Tom Brady is the Terminator, he's just going to

13:33march down and get you. And it feels inevitable. And you feel that if you're the opposing team,

13:38just that doubt building and building until it breaks, and then it just feels inevitable.

13:44And it's not because he's doing any one, like, I can't believe he made that one throw,

13:49although he had his fair share of those. It was because back to what I said at the beginning,

13:54he just made the right call every single time when the mistakes were highest. And that is what

13:58I'm going to remember him for. Yeah, I mean, there's the Cleveland game where they had to

14:02recover the onside kick and then go down the score. I think that was the Josh Dobson or Josh

14:08Boyce, Aaron Dobson era. There was a 24-0 deficit to the Denver Broncos led by Peyton Manning,

14:14they came out of nowhere with. There was the 2006 playoff game where they had to against

14:19the Chargers, Brady threw an interception, and Troy Brown had to strip it. The receiver turned

14:23DB due to injuries, had to strip it and gave him another opportunity. There's just so many

14:29chances. You mentioned the tuck rule game, where did that come from? It was the correct call,

14:34and I'll go to my grave saying it was the correct call, a stupid, ridiculous rule,

14:39but they got it right based on the rules as they were written. I mean, he's had a lifetime of like

14:43once in a lifetime, ridiculous games that just kind of happened to go his way. And you can't

14:48say it was all just stupid luck and Brady stumbling into it, because that's just disingenuous.

14:54However, Rich Hill, there's probably one game more than any other where that narrative played out

14:59on the biggest stage, which we're going to talk about on 3rd & Goal right after this.

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16:23Alright Rich, 3rd & Goal. We talked about Brady's best game. He's played in 10 Super Bowls. He's

16:30had almost a full season's worth of Super Bowls alone under his belt. He's 7-3 in Super Bowls,

16:38which is insane. And the three losses were by one score or less on some nonsense that

16:44could go the other way 10 times out of 10 if you play him again. But that's why we watch sports.

16:48That's what makes sports great. Of the 10 Super Bowls he's played in, wins and losses as a Patriot

16:53or Buccaneer. Do you have one in particular that really stands out to you as your favorite or his

16:56best? Yeah, I mean, obviously there's a few. The first three, I mean, again, there's so many.

17:03Obviously one of the victories is the one to choose. It's choosing your favorite child.

17:09I feel like it's always going to stick out that last drive against the Rams in 2001 when John

17:14Madden's like, what are they doing? They should play for overtime. What's happening? And then it

17:18pays off. That's one. Just absolutely going bonkers against the Panthers in the second half,

17:25making sure that it was a comfortable win against the Eagles. Everyone's like, what is

17:30Andy Reid and McNabb? What are they doing? Why are they going so slowly down the end?

17:34There's like a lot of games there that stick out. And then, I mean, we'll talk more about the

17:40later Super Bowls, but the one that I feel like all treasure the most was the one against the

17:46Seahawks, Super Bowl 49, because of how long it was in between them, where they had made it to

17:52the Super Bowl against the Giants twice, and they lost. And as I said about that Ravens game in that

17:58stretch, will they make it back? Will they ever win it again? And to have them steamroll the Colts

18:05in the conference finals, which was absolutely a riot. Loved that. We got a whole section dedicated

18:11to them just laughing over the Andrew Luck Colts over and over and over again. But then to go to

18:19the Seahawks, having a 10-point deficit in the fourth quarter and finding a way to come back,

18:26get that last minute lead, absolutely just a maestro effort from him in that second half.

18:34But then to have that deep throw, I'm blanking on the name of the Seahawks receiver, that was a curse,

18:42curse, down on like that two-yard line over Malcolm Butler, where it was just 0% chance of a

18:48completion. But it just ricocheted and bounced and bounced and bounced, and he caught it. And I

18:54remember being with my friends during that game, and everyone just was quiet, hands on their head.

19:02Oh my God, it's happening again. They're never going to win. It's never going to happen. And

19:09then obviously history after that point with that Dante Hightower stop on Marshawn Lynch,

19:13the Malcolm Butler interception, obviously one of the most important individual plays of all time

19:18in NFL history, from like a season impact perspective, a win rate increase perspective

19:24on a Super Bowl. But then just to see Tom Brady on the sidelines, his hands also on his head and

19:30just complete disbelief will never go away. It's something that, as you said at the beginning,

19:37it's why we're fans is to be able to just watch them over time. But then specifically, I think

19:44Bill Simmons was talking about on his latest podcast, but around like Jalen Brown, but having

19:49a player that you can watch through their entire career, where you can see them at their highs,

19:54you could also see them at their lows. That to me was one of my favorite parts of that season. It's

19:59why I've always enjoyed Devin McCourty as my favorite Patriot, is that you get to see them

20:05go fight those battles and get back to the top, to see them ascend and be considered amongst the

20:11greatest of all time or to cement themselves as the greatest of all time in that moment. And to

20:17see it all pay off to see the emotion that they have, that's the connection as a fan, that's the

20:22connection of someone who's able to watch and follow the game. And that's the payoff of like,

20:26why you support a team or you supported individual is to be able to support them to get to that point

20:31or just to enjoy the entertainment of the story and the narrative. And there was no bigger payoff

20:37in my mind than that 2014 season. Yeah, it's funny, man. I think what's lost in the Malcolm

20:43Butler madness of that Super Bowl was just how good Tom Brady was in the second half, particularly

20:48the fourth quarter against an all time great defense. The number of like that third and 14

20:56completion to Edelman, where like Edelman got laid out, I think it was by Earl Thomas and still

20:59managed to get up, but he was able to just find Shane Vereen on the sideline to keep drives alive.

21:04Danny Amendola stretching for the first, like these little plays that are going to be forever

21:09overshadowed by that, that Javon curse play the Malcolm Butler pick, because I mean,

21:13if there's a more legacy changing single moment in NFL history than that Malcolm Butler pick,

21:19I'm very, very curious to hear what the argument for it is. But I mean, Malcolm doesn't make that

21:23play. Pat's lose that game. Maybe the Seahawks are the next dynasty. Maybe the entire narrative

21:29shifts. Maybe the Patriots never get back there. It's just, I've never seen anything like it.

21:34Obviously, that's a defensive move. It's not a Tom Brady thing. But again, I think it's just,

21:37it's the Tom Brady effect that he's able to just, again, it wasn't like he like said, Malcolm,

21:44go pick the ball off. But it just, whenever he's around on the roster, I feel like they know if we

21:49can just get him the ball again, we're going to be okay. Yeah, I mean, that's a really hard one

21:56to top. You know, again, I'm with you, man. I think my absolute favorite Super Bowl, nothing

21:59will ever top the first one. I don't think I'll ever experience like any like that. And as a fan,

22:03the first time always the best time. I know if you're a younger fan, maybe you don't remember

22:07as well, but that's well 36. But I remember exactly where I was how I felt. Nothing ever

22:11topped that from a personal perspective. But in terms of his best Super Bowl, I've never had.

22:18Yeah, it's got to be later. It's I mean, it's I think Seahawks is a great one. I think you I think

22:22but the one that kind of ended any conversation to for all but the most diehard idiots is

22:31Falcons 28 to three comeback. I mean, I don't think anything we're gonna see like that again.

22:36That just stifled any conversation about who the goat was, in my personal opinion.

22:40He didn't have a good first half. He had a transcendent second half. And I like everybody

22:46else. I'm the most pessimistic. We're all screwed Patriots fan there is. But when Matthew Slater won

22:53the coin toss, you know, over time, I was like, that's it. They're gonna win this game. Tom Brady

22:58is not gonna screw this up. There's absolutely no way. Technically, he almost did. He almost

23:02do an interception in the end zone to figure out who it was. Vic fandango. I don't remember his

23:07name. But it's like it's like a fade corner fade to Ben Watson almost got picked off. But

23:12James White punched it in. That was just a an unbelievable moment, unbelievable series of

23:19events that had to transpire. And I know a lot of those defense Dante Hightower had to have the

23:24strip sack and Alan branch had to recover it. And the Edelman's catch was kind of ridiculous. But

23:29again, those crazy bounces those wild plays. That's what makes sports great. Yeah, not spit

23:35fit on an Excel spreadsheet, and nothing proved it more than that game for me.

23:39Totally. And like Brady wouldn't want it told any other way. Like he wouldn't want it to say like

23:43his entire legacy is because he carried the entire team there. Like he'd be the very first to say,

23:50look at what Hightower did. He would say Edelman is the only one that could have made that catch

23:55like he would give roses to the people that deserve them. I mean, like obviously, yeah,

24:01that was without a doubt the most like the the moment of his career. Like if he has one thing

24:07of like, what is Tom Brady's legacy? What is going to be the perception of him for all time?

24:12It's 28 to three, where on the greatest stage, he led the greatest comeback. And bar none,

24:18he elevated himself to the top spot in the pantheon. And as you said, no one actually

24:24believes he's not, you know, he's ascended towards that, maybe not exactly Gretzky level,

24:30but like the level below of like unattainable from who can stand against him. And like,

24:37I think even just like within the wider context of it all, you know, part of the 2014 postseason

24:41was deflate gate, and he was suspended for the start of the 2016 season. And so to have that be

24:48the context in which he led the team to Super Bowl where he was a very real MVP candidate that year,

24:55he was a very viable, you know, Matt Ryan had a great year, obviously deserved it. If Brady played

25:00like two more games, he might have been MVP if he weren't suspended. And so to have that be how the

25:06season capped off after all the deflate gate for him to be back on the mountaintop, I think,

25:11you know, obviously, it was, you know, he had a few more really good runs in him. But at that

25:18point, he had nothing left to prove when he was playing with house money. Not only that, they made

25:22a movie about it. Rich Hill at for Brady. You didn't see it. I saw I want like it was on TV. I

25:28watched the very end of it, just for the highlights, more than anything else. But they're very

25:32I don't know, either quarterback or like their their performance in Super Bowl. Gerard an entire

25:36movie where a bunch of older women have crushes on him, go to watch him play. It's a whole other

25:41podcast every day. Like there's really no wrong answer. I think the way Brady played all the

25:45goals, even the ones where he lost, I mean, you couldn't make a case his best one was the Eagles

25:48one. The second absolutely 500 plus yards. He's never been and every single time except for that

25:54Eagles game. Honestly, he left the field with the lead and this couldn't quite close it out.

25:59And the ones he left that he left it with that that's just it's just amazing. I know some people

26:04would be undefeated Super Bowl, but I'd rather be seven and three personally. And thank you for

26:08Tom Brady. We've experienced six in our lifetime. That's six more than some fans will ever get.

26:14Hopefully we get a couple more before I pass on. But if we don't, I will be okay. We'll always

26:20had the Tom Brady era. Hey, everybody. It's Alex Shane here from Patriots first and goal and I

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27:53lowest price, guaranteed. I guess the fourth and goal, Rich Hill, this is a more personal,

27:58not, it's not to be a skill thing or a talent thing or a blown away thing. Do you have any

28:01kind of personal favorite Tom Brady moment, Tom Brady quote, Tom Brady snippet of anything that

28:08you've seen his performance in Ted too, for example, any kind of Tom Brady moment that's

28:13your personal favorite and will cement his legacy for you personally? Yeah. I mean, honestly,

28:17I want to say it was that, uh, the 2009 season, uh, for me, because that was the first season I

28:25started covering the Patriots, uh, like in a real sense with SB nation is that 2009 season. Cause

28:32in 2008, I was like starting to do some of that advanced analytics on like, okay, what is the

28:38difference between Matt castle and Tom Brady? Cause like, there's obviously a drop, no question

28:44there, but the offense is still okay. What's like, what's the real difference here. And then

28:49what's missing from this team? How can they get back and to have that 2009 season be where I,

28:58I first started doing my analysis of the team of the Patriots. It was like, it's truly a life

29:05changing experience that I've had the fortune to be able to have is to be able to cover this

29:09Patriots team. You know, like I started as a play on the side, as a hobby covering them. And then

29:14it became a full-time job for five years. And, uh, I wouldn't trade it for anything, but it all

29:20started with that season. And it started with Tom Brady being like, is he back at what percent is he

29:27back? What's the moment where we say that he's kicked the rust off? What does he need to get

29:32back there? And to have all of, uh, all of that is linked to Brady. Like that was what drew my

29:38interest in the first place to advance analytics to sports writing, to like changing how I view

29:44my fandom in sports. That's the moment that all, you know, it will have forever changed the

29:50trajectory of my life. Um, and so that's what I'll, I'll always consider of like, you know,

29:56what's my life relationship with Tom Brady. It's literally changed the trajectory of my career.

30:02So even when Tom Brady's not on the field, he's still making a difference is what you're saying,

30:06Rich Hill. Yeah. That's what he does. That's what he does. Uh, so you, you started in 2009 at Pat's

30:12Pulpit. Okay. I'm a two years behind you. I started in 2011. The first season I started,

30:16a funny story to those of you who don't know, Rich and I actually met at a

30:21interview round table. I don't know exactly why they brought us in Rich Hill, but they brought a

30:25couple of sports writers into, I think it's CLNS if I remember correctly. No, it's NBC news,

30:30Boston, NBC sports, NBC sports, Boston, like where Tom Curran and Gary Tangway were there. And they

30:36brought a bunch of sports writers in for some reason. I still don't know why they brought us

30:39in, but they sat us down and we kind of had a conversation, uh, and that toot my horn or

30:44yours, but for, we absolutely dominated that discussion, dominated it. And, uh, we decided

30:49to do a podcast after that because we were, we had a good time with it. And here we are

30:5310, 12 years later, whatever it was. Um, and it's pretty remarkable that Tom Brady is kind of the

30:58one that that's bringing that to you. That's really cool. Um, my personal, I mean, I met Tom

31:04Brady once very, very briefly. I got a picture with him. Um, cause I donated to his best buddy's

31:09charity, had a photo op. It was maybe 12 seconds of my life, but it's 12 seconds. I'm going to

31:12forget. Um, it was pretty cool. Really nice guy. I looked directly into his eyes. He's got very

31:18nice eyes, Rachel. Just kind of kind of get lost in them. But, uh, honestly, if I like the one

31:23thing I will always, always remember with Tom Brady, I remember so well, I was in my fraternity

31:30house, Superbowl 36, they won. I'm crying. I'm hugging all my friends. I'm like the first time

31:36I like come back to like reality and pay attention to the TV is Tom Brady pointing at his sisters,

31:44putting his hands on his head and just like shaking his head. Like what the hell just

31:49happened? Um, that's always going to see it in my brain, especially given the next 20 years. Um,

31:56I'll tell you what the hell just happened. Tom Brady, you just happened. And I only went up from

32:01there. Uh, it's, it's, it's, it's kind of a very throwaway moment in a lot of ways, but I think

32:05it's really encapsulates his entire path to greatness. His career, just like, I can't believe

32:11that just happened. I'm celebrating with my family. I am blown away. Uh, he's kind of been

32:15able to take that mentality with him, uh, even as it became the greatest of all time, just knowing,

32:20kind of just appreciating where he was and knowing the people around him needed to be there with him

32:24to, to celebrate it fully. Yep. Totally. Totally. I mean, like, and that's always what it came back

32:29to for him. You know, you think of what were the biggest interviews that he gave, like the most

32:33notable was like, who's your hero, that kind of thing. And so like, he he's always been that type

32:39of a person. I think some, a lot of, you know, his external facing personality can kind of come

32:43across as robotic, but like when he was in his moment, when he was in like a sense of like real

32:50authenticity, it showed. And I think it was made those moments extra special, um, because of, uh,

32:57you know, how often they have to stay guarded. Um, yeah, my, my, my last question for you,

33:04then Alec, you know, as an extra point here, uh, as we're wrapping this up, um,

33:09will there ever be another Tom Brady? I mean, will there be a Tom Brady in terms of the greatest of

33:16all time? That's a conversation you really can't answer effectively because the goat is just like,

33:20it's such a subjective, everyone's got their own definition of greatness. People say Peyton Manning,

33:25people say Joe Montana, sorry about the dogs folks. I got the pit in the mailman must be here.

33:30Um, but I think the gold debate is never one that can be adequately ever sell it because it's

33:35completely subjective. I think you're crazy. You don't think it's Tom Brady, but if you want to

33:39make a case for somebody else, fair enough. Um, but I just don't think there will ever be a

33:44quarterback that plays for 20 years that consistently takes less money to surround

33:48himself with talent that also pairs up with the coach. Oh, Bill Belichick's caliber that was

33:52drafted 199th overall that came out of nowhere that was given an opportunity in the wake of 9,

33:5911 for new England that was his first, his first year as a starter. I think so many stars need to

34:05align for Tom Brady. Uh, there may be a chance as human beings get bigger and stronger and faster

34:10and they're more mechanical cyborgs out there and the rules keep going to favor the offense.

34:14I can see a scenario that maybe a quarterback plays for 20 years again and maybe breaks Tom

34:19Brady's records. I don't think it's likely, but it's certainly possible given the way the NFL

34:24and just human beings are, are evolving. Um, but in terms of just the narrative, who Tom Brady is,

34:31how he came to be, who he was, um, we're just never going to see anything like him ever again.

34:37Is it the only totally, totally. I mean, like, and it's one where, uh, you know, there, there

34:43won't be another stretch in the way that he was able to have for the exact reason that we talked

34:48about that you just mentioned there, the overlap with Belichick is crucial. It's one where like

34:52you think contextually like passion for homes off to a really strong start to his career.

34:59Can he do this for another 10 years? Is that even an option? Can you do this for another 15 years?

35:05If so, maybe he'll compete for some of the numbers. He's probably been the closest we've

35:11seen to anyone else being like, okay, I mean, he's already a top five quarterback of all time.

35:16Could he keep pushing? He still has to, in my mind, he still has to pass Peyton Manning before

35:21we even consider going against Brady on this one. But then, okay. If you win six, if you win seven

35:28super bowls, Brady has the head to head twice. He has it with that 2018 Patriots team before they

35:34went on to win against the Rams. And he had it with the bucks. There's no way that my home passes

35:39him unless he, you know, has just the, every single possible record from the record books,

35:44you know, they're extending the season. So all there'll be all those caveats and stars and

35:48asterisks. But like, maybe he'll get the yards, maybe he'll get the touchdown passes.

35:53But will he get the Super Bowls? I doubt it. And even if he draws equal, the narrative won't allow

36:00him to pass Brady unless he vastly surpasses him because of the head to head. And so it's one where

36:06it's like, yeah, maybe down the road, can someone else win seven, and then just be, you know,

36:11unrelated to Tom Brady's career, and then therefore also do it? Sure. I can see that.

36:16It's never say never on this. But it's extremely unlikely. The deck is stacked completely against

36:22it. There will always be a next wonder kingdom sometime. But we see how short kind of the stars

36:27last for some of these these bright players. And so I won't hold my breath to see the next

36:32Tom Brady at any point in the next 50 years. Especially because I can't imagine as much as

36:39I love Patrick Mahomes, a lot of his talent is his mobility, which is going to go away,

36:44maybe he can move to a pure pocket passer. I think he's got the ability, he's got the

36:47arm strength for it. But Patrick Mahomes is what a 10th overall pick, I believe,

36:53that he's moved up to get him, I believe. So there was already a pedigree there.

36:56He wasn't some nobody. He didn't come in on the heels of your franchise quarterback getting taken

37:01out. He didn't string together seven wins in his first career start starting season. He didn't win

37:08in the blinding snow against a heavily favored MVP team based on some really weird rule that

37:13ended up working out. He wasn't a 14 point underdog against the greatest show on turf.

37:18He didn't come back from all down 28 to three in an all time great Super Bowl. He just didn't have

37:24these moments that Tom Brady had. It's not Mahomes' fault and I'm not knocking him for that. But not

37:29only was Brady doing what he did, he did them coupled with just these just like, if you tried

37:35to pitch it to Hollywood, it would be too stupid because it's not possible. Right? It just doesn't

37:40work that way. But Tom Brady made it work that way. I'm excited for Patrick Mahomes. I'm excited

37:45to see what he brings to the table. But the average NFL career, I think, is 4.5 years for a

37:50quarterback, 3.3 overall. Brady played five times longer than your average quarterback plays. I just

37:57don't see anybody else ever doing that. And if they do, it won't be the same story from out of

38:03nowhere. Yep. Crazy controversies. Great coach. Undefeated season goes down. Came back 10 years

38:09between Super Bowls. It's just a once in a lifetime thing. And what a blessing we had Rich Hill to not

38:15only watch it, but cover it for half of those years, which is pretty, pretty cool. Yep, absolutely.

38:21And so thank you, Tom Brady. Congratulations on being inducted to the Patriots Hall of Fame.

38:27Next stop NFL Hall of Fame, unless you come back at some point. Who knows? It seems like you're

38:32not fully out of it. But we'll just look forward to that next inducted ceremony. I'm sure it'll

38:38just be an even greater fanfare. But Alec, that's all I have. Until next time, you have a good one.

38:45You too, buddy. See ya.

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