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The Garden Report goes live to recap Game 1 of the NBA Finals between the Celtics and Mavericks. Join Bobby Manning, Josue Pavon, Jimmy Toscano, A. Sherrod Blakely and John Zannis as they recap Game 2.

The Garden Report's Key Moments:
0:00 - Hard hats and lunch pails mentality
6:08 - Celtics' defensive prowess and Tatum's performance
11:34 - Holiday's exceptional performance on both ends
14:18 - Derrick White's impactful contributions
21:13 - Mavericks' struggles despite Luka's performance
24:20 - Concerns and reassurance about Porzingis's injury
31:49 - Analysis of Tatum's driving and shooting performance
40:19 - Holiday clarifies his support for both Brown and Tatum
43:01 - Celtics' MVP spread out, Brad Stevens key to championship
45:56 - Pritchard's game-changing three-pointer and PP's clutch shot
56:29 - Holiday's transformation and impact on the team
1:00:22 - Ownership's commitment to building a championship team
1:03:22 - Derrick White's key play with a chase-down block
1:07:16 - Observing players' composure in high-pressure moments
1:14:58 - CLNS crew heading to Dallas
1:16:29 - Analyzing Tatum's performance
1:21:20 - Jrue Holiday's standout performance
1:24:30 - Defensive improvements crucial for Dallas
1:29:24 - Effort key in Celtics' defensive success
1:33:55 - Waiting on Jayson Tatum's reaction
1:41:26 - Players reflecting on missed opportunities
1:43:39 - Competitive game two highlights talent gap
1:45:36 - Concerns over Kristaps Porzingis' injury
1:47:16 - Predictions for the series outcome

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00:00:00 (upbeat music)
00:00:02 - Can you say hard hats, folks?
00:00:07 Hard hats, munch pails, steel tool boots.
00:00:09 - Anything short of a championship this year is a failure.
00:00:12 - Look at this boomer right here.
00:00:13 - You've just got so much talent here.
00:00:16 - Somebody said we need to apologize for Jaylen.
00:00:18 - Can I pull the John?
00:00:19 What are we apologizing for?
00:00:20 What did we say?
00:00:21 What did we do?
00:00:22 (upbeat music)
00:00:25 (upbeat music)
00:00:27 - Uh uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh, 2-0.
00:00:33 2-0 baby.
00:00:35 - I can't bop along with you right now because holy.
00:00:39 - Uh uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh.
00:00:41 Yeah, you gotta be professional over there.
00:00:43 I don't.
00:00:44 Hard hats, munch pails, steel tool boots.
00:00:47 Celtics are going to Dallas up 2-0.
00:00:52 - Still my heart.
00:00:54 - That was something.
00:00:57 - It's a nah.
00:00:59 - I have so many feelings right now.
00:01:02 - All good feelings, all good feelings.
00:01:04 - No, but it's. - Two more.
00:01:06 - Two more.
00:01:07 Two more.
00:01:10 A lot, a lot to unpack here.
00:01:12 - We're gonna get it out.
00:01:13 We're gonna get it all out.
00:01:14 Everybody inhale.
00:01:15 Hold it.
00:01:18 - A lot.
00:01:18 - Pinch it out.
00:01:19 - A lot.
00:01:22 - Breathing is important. - A lot to unpack.
00:01:24 - I mean, so it's hard to kind of dump it all out at once
00:01:29 because you do have the uncertainty involving Porzingis,
00:01:32 which will hang over this a little bit,
00:01:34 but almost outside of that,
00:01:36 almost every aspect of this is like,
00:01:39 I mean, and Jimmy, you and I,
00:01:40 we're on the same page in terms of what was gonna,
00:01:44 what we were, we've been.
00:01:46 - We've been lockstep.
00:01:48 - We've been lockstep in terms of our failure to understand
00:01:53 what it was that caused everybody to jump hard on the,
00:01:56 to jump hard on the Dallas bandwagon,
00:02:00 entering this series because it made no sense to me
00:02:02 and it made no sense to you.
00:02:03 And if you're Dallas, and again,
00:02:05 you're stuck with Luca and nothing else,
00:02:10 and you lose the game that the Celtics shoot 25% from three,
00:02:16 10 of 39 from three, and you lost that one.
00:02:21 That's disheartening. - Good night.
00:02:23 Say good night.
00:02:25 - That was your chance.
00:02:26 We talk about it, that was your door.
00:02:29 Mavericks steal this game on a poor shooting from Boston.
00:02:33 We're talking about a completely different series.
00:02:34 Instead, what it shows is that even when the Celtics shoot
00:02:38 like absolute dog, you know what?
00:02:41 Unless somebody else on this Mavericks team,
00:02:44 besides Luca decides to step up,
00:02:46 they just don't have enough forces in the stable.
00:02:49 - Mr. Kyrie Irving on PR tour right now.
00:02:52 He, again, no show in this one.
00:02:55 I mean, I'm very interested to see the smiles
00:02:58 and the, you know, whatever the hell he's gonna say tonight.
00:03:02 But this is the NBA finals.
00:03:03 So I think it's on PR tour.
00:03:06 - It's not the NBA finals yet.
00:03:08 It's the Kyrie Irving biopic that we're working on
00:03:11 behind the scenes here.
00:03:12 It's a documentary on the reformation of Kyrie Irving.
00:03:16 - Yeah, seriously.
00:03:17 I'm waiting for like the Apple announcement.
00:03:20 It's gonna be like a biography series on the guy.
00:03:24 Give me a break.
00:03:24 - He's gonna say the word journey a lot tonight
00:03:28 in his post game, I can tell you that.
00:03:29 - He beat it to it tonight.
00:03:30 - Journey.
00:03:31 (laughing)
00:03:32 - Man, he is in town.
00:03:34 - It's all just all part of, I'm just, hey,
00:03:39 this is the journey.
00:03:40 This is the path that I'm on right now.
00:03:42 A lot, a lot, a lot, a lot.
00:03:46 - I mean, yeah, it's hard hats and pink hats.
00:03:50 That's how we roll, Jimmy.
00:03:51 Jimmy, you're not wearing the new stuff?
00:03:54 - I was gonna toss it on when we made it.
00:03:57 I don't wanna jump into it.
00:03:58 I know that's gonna ruffle your feathers.
00:04:00 We'll get to it.
00:04:01 We'll get to it.
00:04:02 - We will get to it.
00:04:03 We're waiting for Sherrod Blakely.
00:04:04 He's gonna join us as well.
00:04:06 Nick Jelso.
00:04:07 That's good stuff.
00:04:09 Nick Jelso booming around the court somewhere.
00:04:11 He's gonna jump on as well.
00:04:13 Bobby Manning.
00:04:15 - Yeah, and we're gonna hold this thing down
00:04:17 for a little bit here.
00:04:18 - Oh, we're hanging out.
00:04:19 It's Sunday night.
00:04:20 We got an eight o'clock start, not an 8.30,
00:04:21 so we can go maybe a little bit longer.
00:04:23 Who knows?
00:04:24 We'll see.
00:04:25 We'll see who jumps in. - It's Sunday night.
00:04:27 People asking early, any early word on KP.
00:04:29 I don't think you're gonna get early word.
00:04:31 What I will say is these continued three-day rests
00:04:34 are terrific.
00:04:35 We don't know what happened to him here.
00:04:38 It appeared to be the left leg that he aggravated here.
00:04:44 So we'll see.
00:04:45 It was something a little funky
00:04:47 where he just kind of twisted and fell,
00:04:49 but we'll see what happened there.
00:04:51 But again, just crazy, crazy stuff here.
00:04:53 'Cause I mean, I'm not gonna say
00:04:56 that Celtics tried to lose it,
00:04:57 but things got hairy near the end.
00:04:59 And man, a couple of big plays
00:05:01 and people are gonna be talking about that chase down block
00:05:03 in, I wouldn't say quite the same vein as the LeBron block,
00:05:06 but it's in that, it's got that vibe.
00:05:09 It wasn't as close a game.
00:05:12 It wasn't game saving, you know,
00:05:15 because they still had, you know, a decent lead there,
00:05:18 but that changes everything.
00:05:19 If they don't come up with that, that was incredible.
00:05:22 They got, they got saved by-
00:05:25 - If they hit that layup or dunk, that's a three-point game.
00:05:28 And you don't wanna get into a three-point game
00:05:30 with Luka, the way he was hitting shots tonight.
00:05:33 And it's on the ensuing possession.
00:05:35 So that was a four-point swing.
00:05:37 - It's somber voice in the media workroom.
00:05:39 As soon as the court opens up, I'll be yelling out there.
00:05:41 Don't worry about it, okay?
00:05:42 I have to start with a little somber voice,
00:05:45 a little somber voice.
00:05:47 That's the downside.
00:05:48 That's the downside to on scene.
00:05:50 - Not over here, baby.
00:05:52 I can be loud, I can be proud.
00:05:54 I'll bring the noise tonight.
00:05:56 - I'm gonna need Jimmy to bring it up to 11
00:05:58 'cause I'm at about a, yeah.
00:06:00 - Yeah, you're about a three and a half right now.
00:06:02 - Yeah, I'm in a lot of people's way right now.
00:06:04 - I'm feeling good, feeling confident in this team.
00:06:07 It's a different energy around this team right now.
00:06:10 This is a game that, again, previous seasons,
00:06:13 they shoot that way.
00:06:14 They don't play the same level of defense
00:06:17 and they lose that game.
00:06:19 Tonight, they never gave up on the defensive end.
00:06:21 They actually turned it on even more.
00:06:23 We haven't even mentioned Drew Holiday's name yet,
00:06:25 but he was the player of the game tonight.
00:06:26 Drew Holiday on both ends of the court.
00:06:29 Just freaking beasting it.
00:06:31 Finding the open, just like kind of moving
00:06:34 all around the court, finding the open spots
00:06:37 in the paint, out of the paint.
00:06:40 Defensively, just locking on his guys,
00:06:42 shutting Kyrie down when he had that assignment.
00:06:46 Celtics in general just locked down defense tonight
00:06:49 from top to bottom.
00:06:52 Even Pritchard got in on the action.
00:06:53 Even the white guys were defending as Holiday likes to say.
00:06:56 So everybody contributed on that defensive end
00:06:59 and that was the difference in this game
00:07:00 because when the shots weren't falling, John,
00:07:03 it's easy to just hang your head
00:07:04 and try to shoot your way out of it,
00:07:05 but they got back in the game playing good defense
00:07:10 and trying to get in that transition game
00:07:11 and trying to get easier buckets in that first half
00:07:14 when they just could not hit a shot to Tatum.
00:07:19 Guys could not hit outside shots whatsoever tonight.
00:07:22 - I'm re-watching that block right now.
00:07:24 They blocked that PJ Washington dunk attempt like eight times.
00:07:28 - Yeah, right, right.
00:07:29 - It was white, then Jalen, then white, then Jalen again.
00:07:34 They must've blocked that thing 11 times
00:07:36 before it got off the backboard.
00:07:38 It's so good.
00:07:39 I still think Mavs in five.
00:07:43 - Yeah, it's gonna go down in the books.
00:07:44 - Yeah, I still think Mavs in five.
00:07:46 - It's either four or five now.
00:07:49 You think a gentlemen sweep situation?
00:07:53 - I had booked five and again,
00:07:58 I don't know what to do if you're jealous now.
00:08:01 I think you got the game you were looking for
00:08:04 and you had opportunities late and it didn't go.
00:08:11 You don't win this game.
00:08:13 I don't know which game you win.
00:08:15 You had Tatum.
00:08:18 - I don't know where it comes from.
00:08:19 - Tatum again.
00:08:21 Look, we're gonna have the Tatum conversation tonight.
00:08:24 We know how it's gonna go.
00:08:25 Doesn't matter.
00:08:26 It's still gonna be had.
00:08:28 Yes, he had a ton of assists.
00:08:30 - No, I didn't say Mavs in five, you goof.
00:08:32 I said Celtics in five.
00:08:33 - We did all say, we did say Celtics in five.
00:08:38 - And I almost said four.
00:08:39 Hey guys, look at Ahmet.
00:08:41 Where is he?
00:08:42 He left.
00:08:43 Oh God, he's slippery.
00:08:44 - He's quick.
00:08:45 He is very slippery.
00:08:47 - He's slippery.
00:08:48 - Where's he going, the court?
00:08:51 - He's slippery.
00:08:52 - Getting ready for the standup out there.
00:08:56 - He's going to court.
00:08:57 - This was the one, John.
00:08:58 I mean, you're right.
00:08:59 Tatum was just horrific.
00:09:00 - That's what it is.
00:09:00 - He got shot in the ball.
00:09:02 You had your opportunities, but again,
00:09:04 Luka got no help.
00:09:05 - I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
00:09:06 I didn't mean Celtics.
00:09:07 I was messing around.
00:09:08 Yeah, no help.
00:09:10 - Same story.
00:09:12 And he was on tonight.
00:09:13 I mean, they were even starting to double him
00:09:15 a little bit at times.
00:09:16 He was making the passes out,
00:09:18 but there's just nobody else.
00:09:20 Kyrie isn't that guy.
00:09:22 There's, after that, I mean, PJ Washington.
00:09:25 - Oh my God, guys, I said Mavs as a joke.
00:09:29 - When did you say Mavs?
00:09:31 - I said it earlier and everyone was-
00:09:32 - Orp is trolling you.
00:09:33 Orp is trolling you.
00:09:35 - It was a joke because so many analysts
00:09:38 picked the Mavs.
00:09:39 Anyway, moving on.
00:09:41 - My mom just texted me and said,
00:09:43 "You did say Mavs in five."
00:09:44 I literally just got that text.
00:09:45 - That John guy, that John guy.
00:09:48 Does Sherrod know what-
00:09:51 - Did you say Mavs in five?
00:09:52 I didn't know this.
00:09:53 - Did John say Mavs?
00:09:56 Is that what your mom sounds like?
00:09:57 - She said John did say Mavs.
00:10:00 - Did John say Mavs?
00:10:01 Guys, I don't want to hear this.
00:10:03 Tatum did a lot of good.
00:10:03 We have to be able to have this conversation
00:10:05 without arguing this way.
00:10:08 He did a lot of good.
00:10:09 - Well, you're talking about two different things.
00:10:10 - And he did a lot of bad.
00:10:12 - Right, exactly.
00:10:13 - Yes.
00:10:14 - It just depends on which part of his game
00:10:15 do you want to talk about?
00:10:16 - Everything about six for 22 is bad.
00:10:21 All of it.
00:10:21 That's bad.
00:10:22 - One for seven from three or something like that?
00:10:23 - One for seven from three is bad.
00:10:25 It is grossly, objectively, horribly bad.
00:10:30 Don't point to the almost triple-double.
00:10:31 He did pass well.
00:10:33 The shooting is a problem.
00:10:36 And the thing is, here's why it's not a problem.
00:10:40 Assuming Porzingis isn't toast
00:10:42 because that'll change some things.
00:10:44 It's not a problem because we said
00:10:45 at the beginning of the series,
00:10:46 and it appears to be the case,
00:10:48 you don't need Tatum to go off offensively
00:10:51 to win this series.
00:10:52 You need them to play defense,
00:10:55 make it hard on the Mavericks,
00:10:56 space those guys out offensively,
00:10:58 get their threes up.
00:10:59 They're never gonna shoot this poorly again.
00:11:01 And they win this game and they win this series.
00:11:03 That's all they have to do.
00:11:05 You know, that's all they have to do.
00:11:06 And again, this was the game the Mavs win.
00:11:10 It's the way the games the Mavs should win,
00:11:12 and they did not.
00:11:13 So yeah, it's gonna be hard not to talk about,
00:11:15 and I don't want to go there.
00:11:17 It's gonna be hard not to talk about Tatum
00:11:19 and what's going on there,
00:11:20 and Porzingis, what's going on there.
00:11:21 But it doesn't matter as much when you're up 2-0
00:11:24 and they needed this one bad and they got it.
00:11:27 And it was great.
00:11:28 So let's get into the guys who did,
00:11:30 you know, did the good stuff.
00:11:32 And let's start with Holiday.
00:11:35 Best game ever?
00:11:36 - It's definitely up there.
00:11:38 I mean, considering the situation.
00:11:39 - And credit Tatum for this.
00:11:42 Yeah, Mavs were trying to,
00:11:43 I think Mavs were trying to reduce threes.
00:11:45 And obviously again, they really packed the paint
00:11:47 and they didn't want, you know,
00:11:49 you know, them to attack and them to,
00:11:52 you know, get to the rim.
00:11:54 And Tatum, instead of kicking up for three all the time,
00:11:57 which he still did, you know, sometimes,
00:11:59 he was finding Holiday in and around the rim
00:12:01 with those little cuts.
00:12:02 He found White on the baseline a couple of times.
00:12:03 He found Tatum running the baseline for a two-handed slam.
00:12:06 Those little things around the basket were vital
00:12:10 for a team that wasn't hitting their threes.
00:12:11 So again, Tatum is gonna get his flowers for that,
00:12:13 but Holiday was everywhere he needed to be.
00:12:15 But man, what a crafty little finisher around the net.
00:12:18 He was just, he was just unbelievable.
00:12:20 He was, and the defense,
00:12:22 his defense was a 12 out of 10 tonight.
00:12:24 He was so freaking good.
00:12:26 He was so good on Kyrie.
00:12:27 He was terrific on Luka, particularly, you know,
00:12:31 when Porzingis was out there
00:12:32 and they're trying to run those screens
00:12:34 and he's helping him so Porzingis can drop
00:12:36 and he's able to get back there.
00:12:38 And so there wouldn't be open shooters or lobs.
00:12:40 The way that he played that on those, you know,
00:12:43 on those screens, he was so freaking good
00:12:48 in so many different ways.
00:12:49 So, I mean, he doesn't just get the brownie.
00:12:52 Holiday all of a sudden is in the conversation
00:12:55 for finals MVP.
00:12:57 - Oh, I mean, yeah, absolutely.
00:12:59 And he's the type of player
00:13:00 that you know he's not just gonna fall off.
00:13:02 He's gonna bring in each game.
00:13:03 Now, the reason why it might not happen
00:13:05 is because those 26 points,
00:13:07 that's not typical for Holiday.
00:13:09 I mean, he was, you know,
00:13:11 on a night where Tatum was looking for guys
00:13:12 because his shot wasn't falling,
00:13:14 Holiday benefited a little bit more from that.
00:13:16 And that's great because he made everything count.
00:13:17 I mean, look at that efficiency, 11 to 14.
00:13:20 But what Holiday gives you is just that freaking presence
00:13:23 on the defensive side of things.
00:13:24 His calmness out there, just,
00:13:26 he's been a godsend to this team, really has been.
00:13:31 I mean, you can just see the difference
00:13:33 when he's out there on the court,
00:13:34 just making the smart play.
00:13:36 He's tenacious, he's nonstop.
00:13:39 And you can just tell that guys
00:13:41 on the opposite side of the court,
00:13:43 they just get so,
00:13:47 they just get kind of like deflated by it.
00:13:49 You know, it's just like, oh, this guy is nonstop.
00:13:52 He's in here, he's smart.
00:13:53 He's not gonna pick up, you know,
00:13:55 a lot of ticky tack fouls.
00:13:57 I think he got one tonight that I remember.
00:13:59 But overall, just an unbelievable game for him with,
00:14:03 you know, everything's on line.
00:14:04 This has to go down as one of his,
00:14:06 maybe his best game of his career.
00:14:07 No turnovers on top of it all.
00:14:09 So just a complete game from him.
00:14:15 - Hey, John.
00:14:16 - Yeah, hold on.
00:14:17 - Just a complete game from Naughty.
00:14:18 (laughs)
00:14:20 We got Sherrod in here, should I bring him in?
00:14:23 - Is he ready?
00:14:25 - Yeah.
00:14:27 He's ready, he's nodding.
00:14:27 I'm gonna bring him in.
00:14:29 And he's in.
00:14:31 John's busy.
00:14:32 What's up, Sherrod? - What's up, fellas?
00:14:34 What's going on?
00:14:35 - Good to see you, man.
00:14:36 - You as well.
00:14:38 - How's the game?
00:14:39 - You know, just another holiday season.
00:14:42 Festivities going on here.
00:14:43 - Absolutely.
00:14:45 It's holiday season, man.
00:14:46 - It is holiday season.
00:14:48 Tomorrow should be a holiday.
00:14:50 - I tell you what, though.
00:14:51 The thing that I was wondering about going into this game
00:14:54 was how much would the Celtics really look
00:14:57 to take advantage of what Luka does not do defensively.
00:15:01 And damn, Joe beat that to death.
00:15:06 There's a reason why Drew Holiday went off like this.
00:15:08 They ran pick and roll action,
00:15:09 and whoever Luka stayed with,
00:15:11 that's who was going to flip the score.
00:15:14 Remember, Tatum was one for eight at one point,
00:15:16 and people forget that the next basket he made
00:15:19 was when Luka decided to stay with Tatum
00:15:20 instead of staying with Drew.
00:15:22 Tatum got a bucket.
00:15:23 It was that basic for much of this game.
00:15:27 They wore Luka down.
00:15:29 Luka had a phenomenal game,
00:15:30 and he showed why he's one of the best top three,
00:15:34 top four players in NBA.
00:15:35 But he can't carry this team by himself.
00:15:38 - Nobody can.
00:15:39 - There were too many stretches
00:15:41 where he did everything and then some,
00:15:44 but needed a little bit of something.
00:15:46 He needed guys to make open shots,
00:15:48 and they struggled to do that.
00:15:50 - The NBA is too good now.
00:15:52 You can't carry a team on your back anymore,
00:15:55 certainly not in a playoff series.
00:15:57 You might be able to get, you know,
00:15:58 you're going to get your regular season wins here and there
00:16:00 on a 50-point night or whatever,
00:16:02 but I don't care if you're Luka.
00:16:04 I don't care if you're Joker.
00:16:05 Whoever you are, you need skilled players around you,
00:16:09 and this Celtics team has it.
00:16:11 Regardless of whether you think Tatum's the best
00:16:14 or Brown's the best, they've got guys all around them.
00:16:17 And tonight it was Holiday,
00:16:18 the one that clearly stood out above everybody else
00:16:22 in the way that he was able to be effective
00:16:23 on both ends of the court.
00:16:25 Derek White had a massive game.
00:16:27 He hit some big shots.
00:16:28 He obviously had, you know, that chase down block there
00:16:31 that everyone's going to be talking about
00:16:32 and remembering when you go back, Sherrod,
00:16:35 years from now when we're watching the,
00:16:36 when we're, knock on wood,
00:16:38 if we are watching a DVD of this team,
00:16:41 I say DVD, but let's be honest, it's going to be a-
00:16:45 - It'll be a hologram, Jimmy.
00:16:46 It'll be a hologram.
00:16:47 - That play will be-
00:16:48 - We'll be watching a hologram.
00:16:49 - Exactly.
00:16:50 We'll be just seeing it live in front of us again,
00:16:51 but that play will show up on there for good reason.
00:16:54 I mean, that changed, you know,
00:16:56 that changed the huge momentum swing
00:16:58 because all of a sudden Dallas goes on their little,
00:17:00 what is it, 9-0 run or something.
00:17:01 And they're looking at a one possession game
00:17:03 if that goes down and that block,
00:17:05 and then in swing possession, the Celtics end up scoring.
00:17:08 So I know that was a white thing,
00:17:10 but the guards in general, Holiday and Wyatt,
00:17:12 and Pritchard even getting in on the action,
00:17:14 making the most of his time on that defensive end tonight.
00:17:17 He was guarding Luca as best he could
00:17:18 and had a couple of good one-on-one matchups there.
00:17:22 And then obviously the half court shot to end that,
00:17:25 to end that was a lot of fun at the end of the third quarter.
00:17:28 So all hands on deck, and that's what it's about.
00:17:31 You know, kid wants to talk about who their best,
00:17:33 who the Celtics best player is.
00:17:36 It was Holiday tonight.
00:17:37 So that just goes to show you that on any given night,
00:17:40 it can be one through five on this team, right?
00:17:42 I mean, Porzingis coming out the way he did in game one
00:17:46 was the best player for a stretch.
00:17:48 And then it was Brown, and then tonight it was Holiday,
00:17:50 and then it was Brown, and then there was, you know,
00:17:51 then it was White for a stretch.
00:17:53 So they keep coming in, but on the Dallas side of things,
00:17:56 there's only one guy that stands out, and that's Luca.
00:17:58 Kyrie no-showed again, the Kyrie PR tour rolls on,
00:18:02 but as far as the NBA finals goes, he's had two bad games.
00:18:07 He had a good first quarter and then he disappeared.
00:18:10 And if you're thinking about talking about anybody else
00:18:12 than that Mavericks, there's not really much else
00:18:14 to talk about.
00:18:15 - No, I mean, the bottom line is the Celtics
00:18:17 are living rent free and Kyrie's happy, point blank.
00:18:20 When you are as good a player as Kyrie Irving is,
00:18:24 and you consistently struggle against a team
00:18:27 that has gone through different variations
00:18:29 over the last few years, it can't just be about them
00:18:33 being elite defensively while you're struggling.
00:18:36 There's a mental component to this that is keeping him
00:18:39 from being the player that we have seen
00:18:42 throughout his time in NBA.
00:18:44 I mean, the Kyrie Irving that we're seeing now
00:18:47 is very much like the Kyrie Irving from game five
00:18:50 in his last game as a Celtic against Milwaukee,
00:18:52 where he was just horrible.
00:18:55 He's a much better player than what we've seen
00:18:57 in this series, we know that.
00:18:59 - Well, again, the Celtics, and again,
00:19:01 this is why Jimmy and I liked the Mavericks in five.
00:19:05 Just kidding, why we said Celtics in five,
00:19:08 because I-- - Don't put me in with you.
00:19:10 - I know, I didn't think this was a Kyrie series
00:19:13 because the Celtics are, look, the Celtics are uniquely
00:19:17 equipped to both make life as hard as one can make it
00:19:20 on Luka, which they do.
00:19:23 He's hitting contested step backs,
00:19:25 and he's working really hard for his buckets.
00:19:29 He really is, nothing is easy there.
00:19:31 But Irving-- - He makes it look easy,
00:19:33 but it's not.
00:19:34 - He's amazing, he's amazing.
00:19:35 Irving, you got guys who can stay with him laterally,
00:19:38 and guys who can body him, and how many times
00:19:41 did Kyrie think he was gonna break somebody down
00:19:44 to get a shot, and he had to just bail late in a shot clock
00:19:48 because he could not get to any shot.
00:19:51 It happened a lot of times.
00:19:53 It wasn't just the poor shooting.
00:19:55 He, they, the Celtics wrecked like four, five,
00:19:59 six possessions where Irving was just dribbling
00:20:03 the air out of the ball, trying to do his pretty,
00:20:06 you know, dribbling thing, and he couldn't get there.
00:20:10 He couldn't get where he wanted to go,
00:20:11 and that's everybody, that includes Pritchard.
00:20:14 Pritchard was amazing on Luka as well, defensively.
00:20:17 Amazing on him, but it didn't matter.
00:20:20 Those guys absolutely made life extremely difficult
00:20:25 on him all game long, and again, I just didn't think
00:20:29 this was a Kyrie type of series.
00:20:30 You need Luka and Kyrie to have dominant performances
00:20:34 nightly just to be in contention to win in this series,
00:20:39 and that's, you know, and again, and you can still get it,
00:20:44 and they lose, and that absolutely could happen
00:20:47 'cause the Celtics, you could've gotten 25 from Kyrie
00:20:49 tonight, and the Celtics shoot their level
00:20:51 from three-point lane, they still win, yeah.
00:20:53 - Yeah, I mean, in my sub stack today, I mentioned that,
00:20:56 you know, Kyrie needed to come into this game
00:20:58 and be one of the top three players.
00:21:00 I'm not even sure he was top three on his team,
00:21:02 let alone in this game, so I mean, when that happens,
00:21:06 Dallas has no shot at winning if he's not one of the top
00:21:08 two players because, again, they don't have the kind of depth
00:21:11 that the Celtics do where you can have guys playing
00:21:13 their normal game, and you can still be anyone in the league.
00:21:16 Dallas isn't built for that.
00:21:18 - Yeah, yeah.
00:21:20 - That's it.
00:21:23 - And the eight turnovers, yeah, that was, I mean,
00:21:24 obviously that was a problem, but this, they would've lost
00:21:28 by 30 if it wasn't for Luca.
00:21:30 I mean, yeah, he had eight turnovers, and some of them
00:21:33 were, I think, Celtics defense, some of them were just,
00:21:36 felt like fatigue turnovers, that he was just mentally
00:21:39 worn down, but he had 32 points on an incredibly efficient
00:21:43 12-for-21 shooting, so he gets a little bit of grace.
00:21:47 - But they made it hard, they made it hard on him.
00:21:49 They made it really hard, and they keep putting him
00:21:52 in actions and defensively making life really, really hard
00:21:54 and making him work, and that's why he's gonna tail
00:21:56 and he's gonna wear late in those games,
00:21:59 'cause they're running him ragged.
00:22:00 And again, the defense, 100%, this is the best thing
00:22:03 about this, and as you can see here, I'd say the number one
00:22:06 thing that you can feel good about with the Celtics
00:22:09 is they did not allow offensive woes to get in their head
00:22:14 defensively at any point in time.
00:22:17 It did not translate.
00:22:19 When you shoot as poorly as they shoot, sometimes you see
00:22:21 that drag over on the defensive side, and it didn't.
00:22:24 Both games, they have had almost, with rare exception,
00:22:28 almost zero letdown defensively for 48 minutes.
00:22:32 So any concerns, if you talked about Celtics concerns
00:22:35 entering the playoffs, what happens if they don't hit threes?
00:22:39 Is that a loss?
00:22:40 Nope, guess not.
00:22:41 What happens if they don't take games seriously
00:22:43 or take a night off, you know, like they did
00:22:46 against Golden State in 2022?
00:22:47 Well, they haven't, not even close.
00:22:49 The reason I felt great about this game at the half
00:22:52 was the shots weren't falling,
00:22:56 but they were busting their ass.
00:22:57 They are playing so hard and so unselfishly right now.
00:23:02 It's incredible.
00:23:03 So you can see how locked in they are in terms of like,
00:23:06 I don't give a crap who's getting it and who's scoring it.
00:23:10 And people are gonna wrongly make, people are gonna jump
00:23:12 to a bunch of wrong conclusions about this team, I think,
00:23:15 saying like, they're gonna start making 2004 Pistons
00:23:18 references, no, that's not who this is.
00:23:20 But they have much better talent there.
00:23:24 And I mean, Sherrod knows as well as anybody here.
00:23:27 That's not an apt comparison.
00:23:29 They're just playing a selfless brand of basketball
00:23:32 right now.
00:23:32 Yeah, I mean, as someone who covered that 2004 Pistons team,
00:23:36 this team is better talent.
00:23:39 This team is deeper.
00:23:41 And frankly, this team, they're just built,
00:23:44 they're built in a way that they really don't have
00:23:47 a secret sauce or a certain path that they gotta take
00:23:49 to beat you.
00:23:50 I mean, they can beat you with size,
00:23:52 they can beat you with athleticism,
00:23:53 they can beat you with depth.
00:23:54 They've got guys who are at the top of the food chain
00:23:56 who can dominate.
00:23:57 They've got guys like Pritchard and Al coming off the bench
00:24:01 or Brazilians coming off the bench
00:24:02 who can dominate in those reserve roles.
00:24:04 They're just a different kind of team.
00:24:05 And they're the favorites.
00:24:07 They came into this as a favorites.
00:24:09 The Pistons team was the underdog to the Lakers.
00:24:14 Yeah, I mean, this Celtics team was built for this moment
00:24:19 better than any other team in the league.
00:24:23 And again, we're not there yet.
00:24:25 You're not there yet because it's still two wins to go,
00:24:28 but certainly, they are not fucking around right now.
00:24:33 They're not at all.
00:24:37 And you can tell here, and I'm Dallas, I'm really worried.
00:24:41 What else people are worried about?
00:24:43 What are we worried about?
00:24:44 A little bit of stuff.
00:24:46 - Porzingis.
00:24:46 - You know, Chris Epps, Porzingis, a little bit.
00:24:49 He did leave the game here.
00:24:51 He appeared to injure his left leg late in the fourth quarter.
00:24:55 Joe Mazzulla with some very reassuring words right now
00:24:59 for Celtics fans out there who are concerned.
00:25:03 - Joe right here.
00:25:04 Joe Gordon, The Athletic.
00:25:06 Did Porzingis reactivate the calf
00:25:09 and what's your concern about him for game three?
00:25:11 - No, Joe, he's good.
00:25:12 - Do we believe that?
00:25:13 I don't know.
00:25:14 I don't know what to believe.
00:25:15 - Zero, he's good.
00:25:17 - He's good.
00:25:18 So.
00:25:19 - I'll tell you another good sign.
00:25:21 Another good sign.
00:25:23 When people talk to the media after games,
00:25:25 following injuries, that's usually good.
00:25:29 Chris Epps, Porzingis is talking
00:25:30 in the locker room right now.
00:25:31 If you're trying to hide somebody from people for reasons,
00:25:36 and if there's concern,
00:25:37 you're not gonna be able to talk to them.
00:25:39 For reasons, and if there's concern,
00:25:42 if there's, well, we're gonna have some imaging done tomorrow
00:25:44 and blah, blah, blah, and this and that.
00:25:46 When that happens, you do not talk to them.
00:25:48 They go on ice,
00:25:50 and then you keep everybody guessing for three days.
00:25:52 Look, is there, might you put them out there
00:25:54 to make the Mavericks think everything is fine
00:25:56 and maybe it's not?
00:25:57 Yeah, sure, there could be gamesmanship
00:25:59 in the other direction with something like that.
00:26:01 But typically, you throw a guy out there to talk,
00:26:05 he's talking now, that's probably a good sign.
00:26:07 So I think huge sigh of relief on the Porzingis stuff.
00:26:11 I mean, and here's the thing,
00:26:12 whether it's 100% accurate or not,
00:26:15 it's still better than, I don't know,
00:26:20 nobody, I didn't see him, I didn't talk to him,
00:26:22 nobody, blah, blah, blah, you know,
00:26:23 like you don't wanna hear that.
00:26:24 So I'm glad we didn't get that aspect of it.
00:26:27 Guys, I'm gonna let you guys carry the load
00:26:30 for just a little bit, 'cause I am going to relocate.
00:26:33 I'm not doing it just yet, though.
00:26:35 So I'm just giving you guys a little bit of a warning.
00:26:37 I'm giving you guys a little warning.
00:26:39 I'll do all the merch stuff when you leave,
00:26:41 that way you don't have to deal with it.
00:26:43 Oh, thank God.
00:26:44 It'll be perfect.
00:26:45 It'll be perfect.
00:26:47 Thank God.
00:26:48 If you're looking for merch news,
00:26:48 just wait for Jon to leave.
00:26:50 Okay, well, just to get a piggyback off--
00:26:51 No, there's a lot of merch news.
00:26:53 Right.
00:26:54 Just to piggyback off what Jon was talking about
00:26:56 with Porzingis, I mean, his numbers obviously weren't
00:26:59 as dominant as they were in game one,
00:27:01 but his presence was felt.
00:27:03 And that's what you need from him at this point.
00:27:05 You know, the Celtics have figured out how to be successful
00:27:08 whether he's in the lineup or without him,
00:27:10 but obviously they're better with him.
00:27:12 And it's just a matter of figuring out
00:27:13 what's the best way to utilize his particular skill set.
00:27:16 I thought the Mavericks tried to go at him
00:27:18 a little bit more than they did in game one.
00:27:21 And Porzingis, to his credit, I thought held his own.
00:27:24 Sometimes he made big plays, other times he got beat.
00:27:26 That's gonna happen when you're kind of working
00:27:29 your way back into shape.
00:27:31 But the Celtics team, again, his play is a reminder
00:27:35 of why so many people thought the Celtics team
00:27:39 is the team to beat, and that he would be the X Factor,
00:27:42 because he's the guy that when he's out on the floor,
00:27:45 he makes the job of everyone around him easy.
00:27:47 The Celtics, I mean, it's like a team where you're playing,
00:27:53 you know, you're playing spades or something,
00:27:55 and they got the ace of spades,
00:27:57 but you've got the king, queen of every other color set.
00:28:01 And guess what?
00:28:02 You're probably gonna win that game
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00:28:07 - I play a lot of spade charade, so I like that.
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00:31:11 Nick Gelso, let's get the boomer report from you.
00:31:13 I'm gonna head out, relocate a little bit
00:31:15 'cause I can get a little peppier
00:31:16 once I get out of the media room.
00:31:18 So that's what I'm gonna do, okay?
00:31:20 - No more somber voice for John.
00:31:22 (laughing)
00:31:24 - I livened it up as it got through,
00:31:26 but first I start like I'm on the 18th green at Augusta.
00:31:29 You know, like that's just kinda how it goes.
00:31:32 - You know, there could be some Mavs reporters
00:31:33 are looming around.
00:31:35 - I know, like, what is this guy saying, the Mavs suck?
00:31:38 - Yeah, I did.
00:31:39 - John, will you leave so we could defend Tatum?
00:31:42 Will you get out of here?
00:31:43 - Oh, he's gone.
00:31:45 - Can I tell you this before I go?
00:31:48 I think Tatum had an excellent game.
00:31:53 - Really?
00:31:55 - I do, 'cause his driving set the tone for the offense
00:31:59 the whole game long,
00:32:00 and I'm not playing the whole potential assist
00:32:02 and this and that.
00:32:03 He drove relentlessly, and that was the only thing
00:32:06 that they had going offensively,
00:32:07 and it created almost everything that they got going.
00:32:10 He assisted on so many of Holiday's buckets.
00:32:12 I really do think that this was a good Tatum game,
00:32:15 but also he's gotta shoot better.
00:32:17 Those two things can, you know, coexist in the same brain.
00:32:21 He shot horribly.
00:32:22 I still think every time he goes across the rim,
00:32:25 he misses those layups.
00:32:27 He has to go strong and just live with whatever happens
00:32:29 if he decides he's gonna try to score.
00:32:31 Every time he goes across the rim, he misses it, every time.
00:32:35 So go strong if you're gonna go there,
00:32:37 and he's gotta embrace a little bit of a midi game there.
00:32:39 If he gets into the lane, do the Luca, you know,
00:32:41 shoot those little fadeaways from the free throw line area.
00:32:45 He's gotta vary things a little.
00:32:46 He was getting by people,
00:32:48 but what he was doing next was weird.
00:32:49 But again, I still think he had a great game.
00:32:51 I wanted to say that before everyone said,
00:32:53 "Zionis thinks he sucks,"
00:32:55 'cause I can't defend myself for the next 10 minutes, bye.
00:32:58 - We're gonna say a lot worse about you.
00:33:00 - Let me have it, I don't care.
00:33:02 - All right, I'm the captain now.
00:33:05 - Okay, Coach Cascano.
00:33:08 - What's up, Nick?
00:33:10 - Yeah, Coach Cascano here. - What's up, guys?
00:33:12 - Two-oh, what's up? - How you doing?
00:33:15 - Where you at right now, Nick?
00:33:17 - Right now I'm in Lodge 19 overlooking,
00:33:20 well, I'm not overlooking, but behind me,
00:33:22 you can see the Parquet and the Jumbotron.
00:33:25 John will be coming out over here
00:33:27 in the media section probably, but yeah.
00:33:30 Up two-oh, it wasn't pretty, right?
00:33:34 But it was a win is a win,
00:33:37 and up two-oh in the NBA Panels when we go into Dallas,
00:33:40 but we know this team plays well on the road.
00:33:43 I'm feeling very good, very good.
00:33:46 I hope you guys are too.
00:33:47 And I'm also not gonna black hate him either,
00:33:50 because all for the last how many years,
00:33:53 saying when the dude can't shoot,
00:33:54 he's gotta do other things.
00:33:57 He's been doing other things.
00:33:58 I mean, Tatum and Brown,
00:33:59 I think they had 20 assists combined,
00:34:01 and Brown was incredible again.
00:34:05 The scoring was very, very evenly distributed.
00:34:09 I like this game.
00:34:10 I mean, I can't tell you how many times
00:34:12 I looked up at the scoreboard
00:34:13 thinking that the Celtics were losing,
00:34:15 and they were up by six or eight.
00:34:17 And I don't know if that's so much of a tribute to them
00:34:20 or kind of a little bit of a put down on Dallas,
00:34:24 because they just can't keep up.
00:34:26 Not if they're gonna keep playing
00:34:27 where Kyrie is non-existent.
00:34:29 - Yeah, I mean, this is, to me,
00:34:34 this was yet another reminder as to why
00:34:37 the Celtics are just an incredibly difficult team
00:34:41 to deal with at either end of the floor.
00:34:43 Because offensively, they've got so many guys
00:34:45 that can go out there and get you 20, 30 points
00:34:47 on any given night that you really can't lock in on one guy.
00:34:50 And defensively, even when you're trying to run
00:34:52 pick and roll action, and you're trying to get a matchup
00:34:54 that you think can work,
00:34:55 you're dealing with a pretty damn good defender
00:34:58 that you're switching onto.
00:34:59 And even if you beat him,
00:35:00 there's such good help side defenders
00:35:03 that are so locked in playing on one string
00:35:05 that even, like, there are a number of possessions
00:35:07 where Kyrie Irving, I think, felt he had a clear
00:35:10 or relatively clear path to the lane,
00:35:12 only to have Al Horford or Drew Holiday or Tatum
00:35:17 or Jalen Brown or Derek White.
00:35:18 Someone in that pathway just pops up at the last minute.
00:35:22 And that's what championship teams do.
00:35:25 You figure out ways to impact winning,
00:35:28 and it doesn't have to necessarily be the same guy
00:35:31 over and over and over again.
00:35:33 - I just, before you go, all right, go ahead, Jeremy.
00:35:37 - Go on, I'll take it.
00:35:39 - No, no, I was just gonna say,
00:35:41 after covering Kyrie and everything,
00:35:44 I just, I can't believe how he is really being rattled
00:35:49 by this crowd.
00:35:50 I mean, he really is.
00:35:52 It's so obvious,
00:35:53 and he didn't have as many turnovers tonight,
00:35:55 but just sloppy, like, just flailing everywhere.
00:35:59 He just looked flustered.
00:36:01 I mean, I love it.
00:36:02 I love to see Kyrie flustered.
00:36:04 I'm just shocked because he's always been a killer.
00:36:07 - Well, fans are living rent free in his head.
00:36:09 To me, there's absolutely no doubt about that.
00:36:11 They are living rent free in his head.
00:36:13 - They're not, and the energy level that-
00:36:15 - Love to hear it.
00:36:16 - The energy level that they have had in the past
00:36:19 isn't even at that same level.
00:36:21 It's almost like they're bored to some extent with-
00:36:23 - Yes.
00:36:24 - Just Tom, because it's very unusual and unexpected,
00:36:29 because again, and we talked about this earlier,
00:36:31 he's such a phenomenal player.
00:36:33 One of the best in the NBA, talent-wise.
00:36:37 You're not gonna get an argument from me,
00:36:38 and not from most people about that,
00:36:40 but for whatever reason,
00:36:41 whatever he steps on that parquet,
00:36:43 at least ever since 2021,
00:36:45 - I didn't get in.
00:36:46 - He's just been a shell of the player
00:36:48 that we've custom seen.
00:36:50 Hey, Xanis is back in the building.
00:36:53 Oh, he's gone.
00:36:54 - Yeah, he's gone.
00:36:55 - I want Jimmy to merch it up, so go ahead.
00:36:57 - I gotta merch it up.
00:36:58 John can't be on when I do it
00:37:00 because he wants to pull his hair out, so.
00:37:02 - He gets annoyed for some reason.
00:37:04 - Yeah, there he is.
00:37:05 And here's the thing.
00:37:07 People are in the merch store buying stuff.
00:37:09 I want everyone to know that there's a code right now
00:37:11 to get 20% off in the merch store.
00:37:13 So I'm trying to help you guys out at home
00:37:16 who are interested in buying some products.
00:37:18 Use the code 2more, we already know what that means,
00:37:19 20% off at shop.clnsmedia.com.
00:37:23 One of the things you can buy, guys,
00:37:25 your own hard hats.
00:37:31 The hard hats are back.
00:37:33 And they're selling like hotcakes, all right?
00:37:36 I told you guys we were gonna have them.
00:37:38 You guys know we already have them,
00:37:39 we've been selling this weekend.
00:37:41 We got a limited supply again,
00:37:42 so they're up on the merch store
00:37:44 for as long as they're available.
00:37:46 Going out faster than they're coming in.
00:37:49 We've got the shamrock.
00:37:50 We've got, there it is right there, hard hats,
00:37:53 lunch pails, these heel toe boots.
00:37:56 The guardrails, the logo.
00:37:57 This is a real hard hat though.
00:37:58 - That's sweet.
00:37:59 - This is a real hard hat. - That is sweet, Jimmy.
00:38:01 - Got the nice padding in the front, in the back, snap in.
00:38:04 - John is getting so annoyed.
00:38:06 - You can throw a brick in this.
00:38:07 - No, I love it.
00:38:08 - That is pretty damn good, Jimmy.
00:38:10 - I'm just watching our viewers whittle away.
00:38:13 (laughing)
00:38:15 - They've actually gone up a little bit.
00:38:16 They whittled away on your soliloquy
00:38:17 on Tatum before you left.
00:38:19 - No, I feel like there's about 300,
00:38:21 I believe there's 300 fewer since I left and came back.
00:38:25 - Here we go.
00:38:25 - Because of that Tatum rant you went on,
00:38:27 I wanted to get my Tatum taken.
00:38:28 You went on for 10 minutes in the Zanis way.
00:38:31 - We got hard hats, we got T-shirts,
00:38:33 and we're in the Garden Report logo.
00:38:34 - Nick, I'm not talking now, buddy.
00:38:36 I wanna hear your stuff.
00:38:38 - We got Phenomenal Tees, we got Mugs,
00:38:41 we got Cedric Maxwell Tees, we got all the stuff.
00:38:43 So two more for 20% off.
00:38:46 - I gotta tell you, how many people--
00:38:48 - Get your hard hats before they sell out.
00:38:50 - How many people tonight were wearing
00:38:52 the Cedric Maxwell T-shirt here at the Garden?
00:38:54 I saw like 20 or 30 people with that T-shirt on.
00:38:58 I didn't see any hard hats, Jimmy, I'm sorry.
00:39:00 - Raise your hand if you think Nick's exaggerating
00:39:02 by about 15 shirts.
00:39:05 - I think he's exaggerating a little bit.
00:39:07 - Okay, I saw Max's daughter with it on.
00:39:09 I saw Max's daughter with it on.
00:39:12 - After game one, I've been shipped out.
00:39:14 - I saw one person five times.
00:39:16 - It was Max's daughter.
00:39:20 - Nice.
00:39:21 Well, they're starting to trickle out.
00:39:24 My dream is to see a TD Garden full of hard hats.
00:39:27 That's my dream.
00:39:27 - The audio's bad.
00:39:28 - They're shipping out, they're going out today,
00:39:30 they went out yesterday.
00:39:32 Everything sold, everything that we sell
00:39:34 is gonna be shipped out at the very latest by Wednesday.
00:39:37 We've got them coming in as much as we can.
00:39:40 So, that's the spiel.
00:39:42 Nick, we can hear you.
00:39:45 - Ahmet thought that maybe I was disconnected
00:39:49 because I'm the boss and no one could hear me
00:39:52 when I was talking.
00:39:53 I'm just kidding.
00:39:54 They couldn't hear me.
00:39:55 I got tired of merch, Jimmy.
00:39:59 - I'm done.
00:40:01 - All right, back to John.
00:40:04 - No, I want you guys to take it.
00:40:06 Go ahead.
00:40:07 - Well, I wanna go to Holiday
00:40:08 'cause we have a good clip from Holiday here.
00:40:09 And yesterday he talked, he was asked the question.
00:40:12 Basically, what Jason Kidd has said.
00:40:14 - Sharad, I'm gonna mute you, buddy.
00:40:15 It's a little loud there, sorry.
00:40:16 Go ahead, go ahead, Jimmy.
00:40:18 - Oh, yesterday, everyone knows that Jason Kidd
00:40:21 had said that basically that he was saying
00:40:23 that Brown was the best player in the team,
00:40:24 trying to pit Brown and Tatum up against each other.
00:40:27 Holiday commented on it yesterday,
00:40:28 said something along the lines of he's not lying.
00:40:30 - Hells yeah, he is.
00:40:32 - Yeah, no, he's not lying.
00:40:33 He's just throwing support behind Jaylen Brown
00:40:34 and he wanted to make a point
00:40:36 to start his post-game press conference
00:40:39 addressing that comment.
00:40:40 So let's see what he had to say here.
00:40:42 - Yeah, sure.
00:40:43 - I just wanna address the comment that was made yesterday.
00:40:47 Oh, nice ringtone.
00:40:48 - Oh, sorry.
00:40:49 - I feel like people kind of took that out of context
00:40:53 and I've been hearing that I prefer JB over JT
00:40:57 and that's not what that was.
00:41:02 I like to praise my teammates.
00:41:03 I like to praise my teammates when they're playing well
00:41:05 and I feel like that's what I did my best to do.
00:41:09 When I got here, JT was the first person to text me.
00:41:12 I already know that, and both of them know
00:41:16 how I feel about them and how I feel about them as players,
00:41:18 but to compare them is something that I would never do
00:41:21 'cause they're two completely different players,
00:41:24 as well as being on the same team
00:41:25 and the things that they've done in this organization
00:41:27 and the things that they've done against me as an opponent.
00:41:32 I feel like how they play together
00:41:34 and how they work together is something that is sacred
00:41:37 and something that can't be broken.
00:41:38 So just to address the comment yesterday,
00:41:41 I do not prefer one or the other.
00:41:44 I prefer both.
00:41:46 Both of them are superstars.
00:41:48 It's being shown out here on the biggest stage in the world.
00:41:51 - He's such a pro.
00:41:53 - How great is that guy?
00:41:54 How great is he?
00:41:57 - He's just the best.
00:42:01 - But you know what?
00:42:02 When you think about all the things
00:42:03 that the Celtics have added since their last trip
00:42:07 to the finals a couple years ago,
00:42:09 having someone not only with Drew's talent and all that,
00:42:13 but just the perspective that he brings to this team,
00:42:16 that's what you needed.
00:42:17 You needed someone who could just kind of give you
00:42:20 that view of what does this all really mean
00:42:24 and not be an asshole about it.
00:42:25 - Like Kyrie was.
00:42:29 - Right, and a guy who can play,
00:42:30 a guy who can actually really play at a high level.
00:42:33 I mean, Luke is gonna be having nightmares
00:42:35 for the next 48 hours about Drew Holiday.
00:42:38 - Sherrod, he also, did we lose Sherrod?
00:42:44 I was gonna say, I think we lost Sherrod.
00:42:47 - Okay, we'll speak then.
00:42:50 - I didn't know if I'm the later he is.
00:42:52 Okay, so anyway, also he's a calming force.
00:42:55 Like he's just super calm demeanor.
00:42:58 Like when you talk to him, you get more relaxed, Drew Holiday.
00:43:02 You know, and I think that this team needed that
00:43:04 because they would get rattled often.
00:43:07 The other thing to think about too, is Sherrod back?
00:43:09 - Yes, he is.
00:43:11 - No, yeah.
00:43:12 - He's listening to you, man, finish your thought.
00:43:16 - No, no, I wanted him to be able to finish his point.
00:43:18 But the other thing, after two games,
00:43:20 you look around the Celtics and you say,
00:43:22 "Well, okay, who's the MVP of the first two games?"
00:43:26 And it's almost hard to identify
00:43:28 because everything is so spread out evenly.
00:43:32 I mean, the scoring has been great.
00:43:33 I mean, you could say Drew was tonight and KP was Thursday.
00:43:38 Really, I think if the Celtics win the championship,
00:43:41 Brad Stevens probably should get the MVP award
00:43:44 for putting this team together.
00:43:46 And yeah, imagine me saying that, I mean it.
00:43:54 - Yeah, that's my take, go ahead, John.
00:43:56 - I'm not here to speak.
00:43:59 - John's not here to save you.
00:44:01 - John's doing the Dennis Johnson thing.
00:44:03 He's not gonna shoot.
00:44:04 - Don't accuse me of talking too much
00:44:12 and then defer to me when you run out of shit to say.
00:44:15 - I ran out of shit to say the first three minutes, John.
00:44:19 - When it comes to holiday.
00:44:20 - You're not leading me, I got nothing to say.
00:44:23 - I gave you the ball, I'm sitting back.
00:44:25 It's ISO Nick offense right now, go for it.
00:44:28 - All right, throw some fire at me, come on.
00:44:31 - It's ISO ball.
00:44:32 No, you're only good when you can boom out and stuff.
00:44:34 There's nothing to boom out about right now, right?
00:44:36 - Yes, that's the problem.
00:44:37 - Wow.
00:44:38 - I can think of a couple things.
00:44:40 Why are they taking the water out of the cooler at 10 p.m.
00:44:47 when the media has to work here until 3 a.m.?
00:44:50 - Oh God, here we go.
00:44:51 - Oh boy, that is such a boomer take.
00:44:53 - First world problems, my friend.
00:44:56 - They did feed us lobsters tonight though.
00:44:59 - Lobster and crab cakes and stuffed clams.
00:45:02 - Teeny garden lobster I hear is the best around.
00:45:06 - It tasted like it came from the bottom of the Haba.
00:45:10 - They were three quarter pound lobsters.
00:45:12 The tail was like.
00:45:20 - They looked like, what are you, crawfish.
00:45:22 It looked like crawfish.
00:45:24 No, it was beautiful.
00:45:25 You'll see it on Ahmed's vlog.
00:45:27 I think they got a video of the lobster.
00:45:28 - I like prawns.
00:45:29 Give me the.
00:45:30 That's the real seafood.
00:45:33 - Yeah.
00:45:35 - I don't know guys.
00:45:38 - We do have a low key phenomenal moment in this game
00:45:43 that, didn't you just know Christian
00:45:47 was gonna hit that shot?
00:45:49 I think everybody knew.
00:45:51 - Everyone but Dallas.
00:45:52 Everyone but Dallas.
00:45:53 - I knew it.
00:45:54 I knew it in my bones.
00:45:56 Like I would have been shocked if it didn't fall.
00:45:59 That was such a backbreaker.
00:46:00 'Cause you're like, you just, the Celtics kinda,
00:46:04 they were this close to taking it
00:46:08 into the 12, 13, 15 range after three.
00:46:11 And they just choked it away with some bad possessions
00:46:15 and letting Dallas get what they wanted to get.
00:46:17 And then fouling and just a little lack of discipline
00:46:20 on D there.
00:46:21 And it's a two possession game at six points.
00:46:24 And Pritchard just comes flying around the corner,
00:46:27 hits that frigging three.
00:46:28 Here's PP in the locker room talking about that play.
00:46:33 His only three points of the day.
00:46:35 - I just gave him a little bump.
00:46:39 Got separation and he just let it fly.
00:46:40 That's really all to it.
00:46:41 - Joe made sure that,
00:46:43 he said that was the biggest play of the game.
00:46:45 He wanted that to be the first question
00:46:46 I'm pressing on him.
00:46:47 What does that mean to you?
00:46:50 - Just, you know, it shows belief.
00:46:52 He put me in that situation knowing I could hit that shot.
00:46:54 So to believe in him means a lot as a player.
00:46:57 - Good questions, Bobby.
00:47:00 - Good night.
00:47:01 - Way to go, Bobby.
00:47:02 - He's got the Pritchard sidebar going tonight.
00:47:05 - He does.
00:47:06 - That's what he does though.
00:47:07 I mean, how many times have we seen him
00:47:09 make that particular shot?
00:47:12 He's a specialist in that regard.
00:47:15 That's one of the things that he brings to the table.
00:47:17 I'm a little surprised that teams
00:47:19 don't do a better job of, I mean,
00:47:21 maybe the scouting report isn't that thorough
00:47:23 where they're looking at guys' tendencies,
00:47:25 like, you know, making shots at the end of quarters,
00:47:28 which should be something that you would be on guard for,
00:47:29 particularly the way, as John pointed out,
00:47:31 Dallas actually had a nice little kind of momentum swing
00:47:35 there at the very end.
00:47:36 Because the Celtics were up by like 12 or 13 points.
00:47:39 The next thing you know, it's a six point game.
00:47:41 Looks like it's going to be six points going into the fourth.
00:47:43 Go from six to nine was huge, huge, huge shot.
00:47:46 - The block, the triple block.
00:47:50 Everybody on the team blocked that shot, I think.
00:47:53 - Yeah, I think I got a piece of it.
00:47:55 - Yeah, you did, John.
00:47:56 You're on the box for John.
00:47:59 - That was pretty good.
00:48:01 Yeah, that was good.
00:48:04 We are going to hear from KP.
00:48:06 The general update, I don't want to keep news from you,
00:48:08 but we'll hear it from Porzingis himself,
00:48:10 because I know you'll find that reassuring,
00:48:12 is he said he's not sitting game three.
00:48:16 So again, there's a lot of confidence right now
00:48:18 that whatever happened was, you know,
00:48:21 kind of like old man stuff, you know, just like,
00:48:24 and look, man, I mean, this is what we thought.
00:48:27 This was as much my Porzingis concern as anything else.
00:48:32 He's just going to be gassed, you know?
00:48:34 Like, you know, it's going to take him
00:48:35 a really long time to get going.
00:48:37 And he tweaked a little something, but you just see him.
00:48:40 He just, you know, he confirmed it.
00:48:44 It's so funny with Joe.
00:48:46 I love how Joe tells us stuff,
00:48:48 but doesn't tell his players, you know,
00:48:51 what they're supposed to say too.
00:48:53 And he's like, he's not on a minutes restriction.
00:48:54 And then you turn around and you're like, KP,
00:48:56 and he's like, oh, I'm on a minutes restriction.
00:48:58 So he's clearly, they're managing him because-
00:49:03 - As they should.
00:49:06 - Because he can only go, you know, so hard for so long.
00:49:10 And there's a lot of work out there
00:49:11 because they're going to put him in actions.
00:49:13 And they're going to, you know, they're going to run screens
00:49:15 and they're going to try to get him in space a little bit.
00:49:17 And he's got to maintain his discipline
00:49:19 and get back and try to prevent that law,
00:49:21 but also jump out on shooters if and when he needs to.
00:49:24 He's got to get back and protect the paint.
00:49:26 He's needed on offense.
00:49:27 He's got to move there.
00:49:28 He's setting screens.
00:49:29 He's trying to get position.
00:49:30 But you can see he was definitely laboring
00:49:32 with a few different things.
00:49:33 I mean, there was one play, actually,
00:49:35 Derek White hit a hero shot three on a position
00:49:37 that looked like it was totally busted
00:49:39 because Porzingis was having a tough time backing down
00:49:41 Kyrie to get good position on him.
00:49:43 So you can see there that he's definitely like, you know,
00:49:47 it's physically, he's not all the way back there.
00:49:50 And, you know, that's fine.
00:49:55 - Well, and I think if-
00:49:56 - On this team, 20 minutes of KP is fine.
00:49:59 - Yeah.
00:50:00 - I think also it's an adjustment kind of to the mean,
00:50:02 because you know a lot,
00:50:04 when players come back from injury and a long break,
00:50:07 a lot of times, well, and certainly in game one,
00:50:10 the adrenaline pumps through you
00:50:12 and you play like you're in your prime and healthy
00:50:15 and then things kind of settle back.
00:50:17 And a lot of people in the media were worried that,
00:50:21 you know, making a big fuss that Porzingis
00:50:23 doesn't put up game one like numbers.
00:50:25 And here we saw today, he was okay.
00:50:28 He was needed, he was there,
00:50:30 but it wasn't game one like numbers
00:50:32 and they still won the game.
00:50:33 So I mean, it's just,
00:50:34 I think it's just staggering how overmatched Dallas is.
00:50:37 They just look really flustered all the time.
00:50:40 - Yeah. And the biggest problem, I think, for Dallas
00:50:44 is that there is no X's and O's recipe
00:50:49 that you can come up to change this.
00:50:50 I mean, the Celtics biggest opponent
00:50:52 in this series is the Celtics.
00:50:54 When they lose at this point,
00:50:56 it's not so much because of what Dallas is doing
00:50:58 as much as it is what they are not doing.
00:51:01 They have pretty much every position except Luca.
00:51:06 And as talented as Kyrie Irving is,
00:51:09 he's losing that matchup in the series badly.
00:51:13 Whether you say it's Derrick White,
00:51:14 whether you say it's Jalen Brown, it doesn't matter.
00:51:17 He has been the inferior player at that off guard position.
00:51:21 And after that, there's just enough,
00:51:24 the cover's bare if you're Dallas.
00:51:27 I mean, it's at the point where
00:51:30 I would be mildly surprised if they win one game at all.
00:51:35 - Yeah. - It's possible.
00:51:35 Here, let's hear from KP.
00:51:37 And I wanna get back to what you were talking about there
00:51:38 because I think it's really interesting
00:51:41 just in terms of where the Mavs are at right now
00:51:45 in terms of both their mindset
00:51:46 and their ability to be able to beat this team,
00:51:48 which again, anything can happen,
00:51:52 but you had your shooting variance game
00:51:53 and you couldn't win it here.
00:51:54 And again, Dallas didn't help itself out.
00:51:56 They only hit six threes themselves.
00:51:58 But here's KP, because I did say you'd feel better
00:52:01 if you saw him, he's smiling.
00:52:03 That's gotta make you feel happy.
00:52:04 Here's KP, he's talking about his injury.
00:52:06 He's stressed here.
00:52:07 He's stressing himself.
00:52:08 - What were you feeling?
00:52:10 - I don't know.
00:52:11 I don't think so.
00:52:12 I mean, I feel good.
00:52:14 I feel good.
00:52:14 I would say something happened a little bit,
00:52:16 but have a couple of days again
00:52:19 and believe me, we'll do everything we can
00:52:23 to be back and moving well.
00:52:26 - How difficult was it to keep playing through it?
00:52:28 - Not difficult at all.
00:52:31 I'll die out there, you know, if we need.
00:52:35 So I just kept going, but I was a little bit limited.
00:52:38 So smart thing was to get Al back in there
00:52:41 and close out the game.
00:52:43 - NBA.
00:52:44 - Oh, sorry.
00:52:48 Want to put it back.
00:52:49 Send that man a hard hat, Jimmy.
00:52:52 - I love that guy.
00:52:53 He has a really hard hat.
00:52:54 - Can I get Porzingis' address to send him a hard hat?
00:52:57 Free of charge.
00:52:58 - Richie will drop it off, John.
00:53:00 - I'll tell you what, he's 300 lives.
00:53:04 - If he dies, he dies.
00:53:05 - If he's got the hard hat on, he won't die.
00:53:07 This thing is made of quality material.
00:53:10 Nothing will hurt.
00:53:12 - Everyone had the same quote
00:53:15 with the accent and everything.
00:53:17 - If he dies.
00:53:19 - If he dies, he dies.
00:53:20 - He dies.
00:53:23 - That's the mentality you want.
00:53:24 Kyrie Irving would give you some BS 20 minute answer.
00:53:28 - Make a T-shirt right now, win or die.
00:53:31 Make the T-shirt right now and get it on the store.
00:53:35 I'll die out there.
00:53:36 - You want Porzingis' face, I'll die out there.
00:53:38 - That is a good one.
00:53:39 Text Joe, Jimmy.
00:53:41 - I'm gonna text Joe right now.
00:53:42 Get the T-shirt.
00:53:43 - That's a good money maker.
00:53:44 - That is a good one.
00:53:45 - That is so good.
00:53:46 - Limited supply, 25 T-shirts.
00:53:48 - Just his face too, you know.
00:53:52 - Win or die, I love it.
00:53:54 That's the selfish motto here.
00:53:56 Forget about different here.
00:53:58 I like win or die as the team motto.
00:54:00 Win or die trying, so good.
00:54:04 - Life has shifted.
00:54:06 - Love it.
00:54:07 - How great, I mean, I know Jimmy hates
00:54:09 when we talk about the crowd,
00:54:10 but how great was when they put the old school
00:54:13 Paul Pierce montage on the Jumbotron?
00:54:15 - We didn't, I didn't see it, so I don't know.
00:54:18 - I know you didn't.
00:54:19 - It was good.
00:54:19 - Oh, Jimmy, let me tell you about it.
00:54:22 - Jimmy, it was so good.
00:54:24 - Oh my God.
00:54:24 - I was filming, and I know Amit films
00:54:26 some of the key things on the Jumbotron.
00:54:28 I'll have to check CLN.
00:54:29 - Amit's over there laughing.
00:54:30 He can't even hear what you guys are saying,
00:54:32 and he's laughing at me.
00:54:33 - Yeah, unbelievable.
00:54:34 - Yeah, hey, everyone watching at home
00:54:37 who wasn't at the game,
00:54:38 how about that Jumbotron moment tonight?
00:54:41 - Hey, the people that are watching at home
00:54:42 wanna know what it's like to be inside this jungle.
00:54:45 I've been telling you that for how many years, Jimmy?
00:54:47 Every game I wanted to do a segment on the crowd,
00:54:49 you tell me no.
00:54:51 - Yeah, for good reason.
00:54:53 The one thing I'll say- - For good reason.
00:54:57 - How about this?
00:54:58 Was the crowd louder tonight,
00:54:59 or was it game one they were louder?
00:55:01 Okay.
00:55:02 I did see that they put the Kyrie quote up on the Jumbotron.
00:55:05 - Which is a smart play.
00:55:07 - Yep, sure I'd call that.
00:55:08 - They put the Kyrie quote up.
00:55:09 - Yeah, sure I did.
00:55:11 - The one thing I would have done a little bit differently
00:55:13 is I would have put it up at the very end of the game too.
00:55:17 Just to troll them.
00:55:19 - Just to troll them.
00:55:21 - Yeah, just to troll them.
00:55:22 - He was out, I don't know,
00:55:23 did you guys see Gethin's tweet?
00:55:26 Gethin's cool, but it went crazy.
00:55:29 He got a video of Kyrie warming up
00:55:30 and above him on the Jumbotron,
00:55:32 it had a picture of him, 12 points,
00:55:36 six of 20 from the field, from my game one stats.
00:55:40 It was like trolling him, and it went crazy.
00:55:43 - That's awesome.
00:55:46 - Good, yeah.
00:55:47 - Facts, my dog.
00:55:48 - Good head.
00:55:49 - That was a facts, my dog.
00:55:51 - That was a facts, my dog.
00:55:53 - Bobby and Josue should be here momentarily
00:55:55 and you guys can dismiss me.
00:55:57 - I can't wait, no Nick, you're staying.
00:55:59 - Did you just say that out loud,
00:56:00 or were you thinking it?
00:56:02 - What?
00:56:04 - Were you thinking that, or did you say it out loud?
00:56:06 - What did I say, I said you're staying.
00:56:09 - Oh, you did?
00:56:09 - Yeah, you're staying.
00:56:10 - Yes.
00:56:11 - Shit, I already have my Uber hailed
00:56:15 and a joint ready to spark up on the way home.
00:56:18 What do you mean?
00:56:19 (laughing)
00:56:20 That was for Bill Walton.
00:56:21 - Good catch, good catch, good catch.
00:56:26 Yeah, good catch.
00:56:30 - Oh my God.
00:56:31 (laughing)
00:56:32 - Facts, my dog, where is John Zanis?
00:56:35 - Is it amazing, by the way, going back
00:56:37 to what we were talking about in terms of Holiday,
00:56:40 do you remember conversations at the beginning
00:56:43 of the playoffs and what the narrative
00:56:45 around Holiday was, man, I really don't like that.
00:56:49 That contract is such a mistake.
00:56:53 - Jimmy was key on that one.
00:56:55 - Why did they give him all that money in all those years?
00:56:58 - Do you remember people saying that?
00:57:00 - They do, honestly, they did it for these years.
00:57:05 - There's been nobody I've probably--
00:57:06 - This year, next year.
00:57:08 - There's nobody I've been a bigger apologist for all year
00:57:12 than Holiday and oh my God, tonight.
00:57:15 - You picked a good one tonight.
00:57:17 - You're just seeing all of it, you know,
00:57:19 like the full, he's just, I just trust him, you know,
00:57:23 like, and again, I hate making it about the Marcus thing
00:57:27 because Marcus left everything he had here.
00:57:28 He was a great Celtic and will always be a great Celtic.
00:57:31 I just find it ironic that the saying around Marcus
00:57:36 was love and trust and the only thing I didn't do
00:57:39 was trust him, you know.
00:57:41 (laughing)
00:57:43 You know, I thought it was--
00:57:46 - It's like, this is what it's like to trust somebody.
00:57:49 - This is what it's like to trust somebody.
00:57:51 I trust him and White, like implicitly,
00:57:54 like I trust those guys to do that,
00:57:57 to just be, just rocks all the time.
00:58:00 And even when they have bad games, it's like, well,
00:58:02 they went about it the right way for the most part.
00:58:06 And it's just unbelievable.
00:58:08 It's unbelievable.
00:58:10 I know everyone gets mad.
00:58:12 I don't mean to, but look guys,
00:58:14 that's, this is what improvements are to your team.
00:58:17 Last year's team and the team before that
00:58:20 needed improvement.
00:58:22 You improved by replacing a player with another player.
00:58:25 And sadly that ended up being Marcus for holiday.
00:58:28 And then you replaced Rob for poor Zingas.
00:58:31 And we all loved Rob as well.
00:58:33 And we're not sitting here saying anything,
00:58:34 but you improved, you improved, you know,
00:58:37 like, I mean, it's incredible, you know.
00:58:40 - You do wonder if Marcus is sitting,
00:58:42 you know, he's watching this crap.
00:58:43 I do feel bad for him.
00:58:44 - It's got a kill for him.
00:58:46 And I always thought, you know,
00:58:47 I don't want to make it a referendum entirely about that,
00:58:49 but I just have so much faith in holiday out there.
00:58:51 You just see him just tonight was one of those games.
00:58:54 You just go back and just watch him all the entire game.
00:58:59 He was just everywhere.
00:59:03 I didn't change my game.
00:59:04 - And understated where Mark.
00:59:06 - I hate them for both.
00:59:08 - Where Mark is kind of, and I don't want to compare.
00:59:11 (laughing)
00:59:13 What did John say?
00:59:13 He hates them both.
00:59:14 - Nothing, nothing.
00:59:16 - I'm on a little delay here if you haven't noticed.
00:59:20 - I'm just messing around.
00:59:23 - Mark is like overstated on everything.
00:59:26 Like you knew when he was hot,
00:59:28 you knew when he was struggling,
00:59:29 you knew when he was frustrated, you know.
00:59:32 Holiday is just so even, so even.
00:59:36 - He came as advertised, right?
00:59:38 - He really did.
00:59:39 - He lived up to all these expectations
00:59:41 of a guy that's a leader on the court,
00:59:43 steady, you know, heady player, tenacious.
00:59:48 Obviously we knew all about his capabilities defensively.
00:59:52 Pretty much universally regarded as the best
00:59:56 on-ball defender in the NBA over the last
00:59:58 however many years you want to go back.
00:59:59 And that's by the players, which is really what matters.
01:00:02 Media can vote all they want,
01:00:03 but when you talk to the players,
01:00:05 they've pretty much been saying for the,
01:00:08 I don't know, what, five plus years now
01:00:10 that Holiday's the guy.
01:00:12 And so you see that, especially now
01:00:15 with the games mattering more than they ever have,
01:00:19 just how valuable he is to this team.
01:00:21 And you know what?
01:00:22 The way he's playing in this playoff series,
01:00:24 or these playoffs, but specifically tonight
01:00:26 in this series moving forward, they win a title,
01:00:29 you'll pay him whatever the hell he asks
01:00:32 for the remainder of his contract
01:00:34 if he's going to be a focal point
01:00:36 in them winning a title this year.
01:00:38 And he is, and he has been.
01:00:40 That's not going to change next year either.
01:00:41 It's not, that's not some,
01:00:42 his skills don't just disappear.
01:00:45 You know, what he's good at.
01:00:46 You know, the points tonight are bonus, the 26 points.
01:00:49 You don't expect that or you don't require that of him.
01:00:51 But on a night where Tatum isn't really finding it
01:00:54 from the, you know, outside,
01:00:56 he's looking for guys a little bit more.
01:00:57 Holiday's taking advantage of it.
01:00:59 Holiday knows where to go, where to be.
01:01:01 He knows how to get open.
01:01:02 He knows how to make easy baskets.
01:01:04 Those 11 for 14 field goals.
01:01:05 How many of those are right under the hoop?
01:01:07 I mean, he's just right there
01:01:08 where he needs to be for the easy two.
01:01:10 So that's high efficiency, obviously,
01:01:12 but it's just knowing what the game calls for.
01:01:16 You know, there's going to be a game
01:01:17 where he's not going to be needed for 26.
01:01:18 He might only be needed to score 10,
01:01:21 but he's going to give you, you know, 10 boards
01:01:23 and eight, you know what I mean?
01:01:24 So it's whatever the game needs.
01:01:26 And tonight it needed more offense from him
01:01:28 and he was able to provide it.
01:01:29 - Thank you for this super chat real quick.
01:01:31 I just want to say,
01:01:32 folks, Factory, we do appreciate it.
01:01:34 Actually, I disagree.
01:01:35 I think Smart was going in a separate trade
01:01:37 there that was already ready to go.
01:01:40 There's no way they pulled that one on the fly.
01:01:42 I think he was on his way out.
01:01:43 They were going to move things around
01:01:45 and they had another deal ready to go
01:01:47 and they slid Smart into this one instead.
01:01:51 But thank you very much for the super chat here.
01:01:53 And I want to hear what you had to say.
01:01:55 We just wanted to acknowledge that we do appreciate that.
01:01:57 - No, all I was going to say was that, you know,
01:01:59 one of the criticisms that this organization has had,
01:02:02 like the past few years prior to this year,
01:02:05 was that Witt Grosbeck wouldn't spend money,
01:02:07 that he wouldn't open up the wallet.
01:02:09 And that's exactly, I mean,
01:02:12 they are going to be paying for this team
01:02:14 for a really long time, but it was worth it
01:02:16 because they built a team that you knew on paper
01:02:19 could compete for a championship.
01:02:21 And some of those other deals they could have made
01:02:23 in the previous two, three, four years,
01:02:25 they would have been better,
01:02:26 but they certainly would not have been as built
01:02:29 to win a championship as this team is now.
01:02:31 And that's, to me, that's one of the wild cards
01:02:34 that goes into putting together a team
01:02:37 that can tend for a title,
01:02:38 is do you have ownership that's willing to pay the price
01:02:41 of what that championship looks like?
01:02:43 And the Celtics, you know,
01:02:44 when you look at Drew's extension,
01:02:45 you look at poor Zing as his extension,
01:02:47 you look at, you know,
01:02:48 they're going to have to open up the wallet
01:02:49 and pay, you know, Derek White very soon.
01:02:51 - Derek White.
01:02:52 - Yeah.
01:02:53 You know, Tatum's going to get his Supermax extension,
01:02:55 you know, that'll kick in, you know, 25, 26,
01:02:58 and he'll sign this summer.
01:03:00 They have shown a commitment as long as they're committing
01:03:03 to a championship caliber roster.
01:03:06 And they've been pretty consistent with that
01:03:08 since they've been here.
01:03:10 - As Jimmy called Drew Holliday, steady and heady.
01:03:14 You can put that one on a t-shirt as well.
01:03:16 Another person, steady and heady.
01:03:18 Another one who absolutely qualifies as steady and heady
01:03:22 was Derek White, who was part of one of the key players
01:03:27 of the game on a chase down block there
01:03:29 after, you know, the Mavs off of a Tatum miss,
01:03:33 went, you know, took off in transition.
01:03:35 Washington was on his way in.
01:03:37 And as they've been doing all game long,
01:03:39 White and Holliday had a great chase down situation
01:03:42 last game, I remember.
01:03:43 And, you know, both White and Brown raced back,
01:03:48 got involved in the play.
01:03:50 Some people are saying maybe a teeny bit of a foul.
01:03:52 I don't know, but I mean, the hustle was there.
01:03:55 Both guys got a hand on a ball.
01:03:57 Critical, critical play at a critical moment in the game
01:04:00 where the Celtics were kind of, sort of coming apart
01:04:03 a little bit and letting Dallas hang around late in the game
01:04:06 and that pretty much sealed things.
01:04:07 Here's Derek White talking about that play.
01:04:10 - You're an all shucks kind of guy,
01:04:12 but when someone is running the break and you're,
01:04:16 but you do chase downs, do you say to yourself,
01:04:18 I've got this dude, like, what do you think
01:04:21 when you're running full speed?
01:04:23 'Cause this, you've had too many not to think,
01:04:25 like, I can't believe this dude's gonna try this on me.
01:04:27 Like, there's gotta be an arrogance there
01:04:30 to a certain extent.
01:04:31 - Yeah, that's why I got dunked on earlier.
01:04:33 (laughing)
01:04:35 But, it's part of the game.
01:04:37 - Funny guy.
01:04:38 - Just that, not afraid to get dunked on.
01:04:41 It allows me to get something
01:04:43 that maybe some people wouldn't have gotten.
01:04:44 So, I'm just trying to make a play.
01:04:47 Just believing in my abilities and what I can do.
01:04:50 - Dave, last question.
01:04:51 - I believe in his abilities too, man.
01:04:55 This guy's incredible.
01:04:57 How easy is it to like these guys,
01:04:59 between him and between Holiday?
01:05:01 Both in terms of how they play, how they carry themselves.
01:05:04 The post game, that Holiday soundbite
01:05:06 just addressing the Tatum situation,
01:05:08 which he totally didn't have to.
01:05:10 But, and we talked about it last week.
01:05:12 - You're in control.
01:05:13 - I said what Holiday said.
01:05:14 No, he didn't mean that.
01:05:15 And people ran with it and I thought it was stupid
01:05:17 that people ran with it.
01:05:18 But he didn't get mad.
01:05:20 He didn't turn it into like,
01:05:21 you guys trying to make something.
01:05:22 He's like, media, blah, the media, blah.
01:05:25 - So, he didn't go full scowl on the media
01:05:28 after the NBA finals.
01:05:30 - Media, you're gonna make Jaylen leave.
01:05:34 - But White's another guy.
01:05:35 He is an off-sharks, humble guy.
01:05:37 He doesn't talk about himself.
01:05:38 He has monster games.
01:05:39 He's had, he's carried the team at different times
01:05:42 during the season.
01:05:43 He does not talk about himself at all.
01:05:46 He is, he's not fake humble.
01:05:48 He is legit a humble dude.
01:05:50 He's a classic.
01:05:51 Send that guy a hard hat too, Jimmy.
01:05:52 He's a classic lunch pay.
01:05:54 - Just send the whole team hard hats.
01:05:56 - If they win this thing, you trust me,
01:05:59 they're getting a hair cut.
01:06:00 - I don't think they'll give us our addresses,
01:06:01 but if they do.
01:06:02 - I'll send it to the garden.
01:06:04 I'm sure Olive will disperse them for me.
01:06:07 - Hair of the garden report.
01:06:09 (laughing)
01:06:10 - Brian Olive will disperse them.
01:06:12 - Yeah, he'll pass them off for me,
01:06:14 courtesy of the CLNS, of course.
01:06:17 - We'll come in next season,
01:06:18 I'll be wearing hard hats.
01:06:19 - They are flying off the shelves.
01:06:21 I just took a peek.
01:06:22 And if you're thinking about getting one,
01:06:24 really think about it right now.
01:06:26 - I gotta tell, I gotta say,
01:06:27 Jimmy's not exaggerating this.
01:06:28 They really are.
01:06:29 Like I am shocked.
01:06:31 - I'm not.
01:06:32 - We don't actually have shelves.
01:06:35 We don't have shelves.
01:06:37 - Well, they do, they're just Rhode Island.
01:06:38 - We have virtual shelves.
01:06:39 - Yeah, exactly.
01:06:40 - Virtual shelves.
01:06:41 (laughing)
01:06:42 - They're not my shelves,
01:06:43 but somebody's shelves they're flying off of right now.
01:06:46 - I don't wanna get back on merch.
01:06:49 I don't wanna piss Xanis off.
01:06:50 - I don't either, but let me say something.
01:06:52 - It's not pissing me off.
01:06:53 It's the four and a half minutes
01:06:55 it takes to do one merch read.
01:06:57 - 'Cause we've got 12 things to sell in the merch store.
01:07:01 It's not one thing.
01:07:02 We've got a bunch of good stuff.
01:07:04 Anyways.
01:07:05 - How about the book bag, Jimmy?
01:07:06 What about the book bag?
01:07:07 - Yeah, like show him the book bag at some point.
01:07:10 But what I wanted to say to follow up on you guys
01:07:13 is when you look at these post-game or pre-game--
01:07:16 - You guys wanna say high five Bobby Banning
01:07:18 on the way by?
01:07:19 - Yes.
01:07:20 - Oh, we missed.
01:07:21 - This player is the whitest high five I've ever seen.
01:07:24 - I was trying to keep an eye on the thing.
01:07:26 (laughing)
01:07:27 There he is.
01:07:28 That's our guy.
01:07:28 - Look at Bobby.
01:07:29 (laughing)
01:07:32 - If I could just say one point
01:07:33 and then I'll let you guys get back to it.
01:07:35 - Make your point, Jimmy.
01:07:36 Let's go.
01:07:37 - It feels that these guys are not overwhelmed by the moment
01:07:41 just based on,
01:07:43 not just based on what their play looks like on the court,
01:07:45 but the way that they talk after the games,
01:07:48 whether it's Porzingis, White, Holiday tonight,
01:07:51 they don't seem overwhelmed by the moment.
01:07:53 And some teams can get that way in the NBA finals
01:07:56 when the lights are a lot brighter.
01:07:57 - The Mavs seem that way.
01:08:00 - The Mavs just aren't talented enough.
01:08:02 - The discount code is now two more, not three more, guys.
01:08:06 - Yeah, guys, come on.
01:08:07 - Right?
01:08:08 - It was three more last game.
01:08:10 - Yeah, it's two more.
01:08:11 - Think about it, all right?
01:08:12 It took me a while to figure it out,
01:08:14 but it's two more 'cause there's two more wins
01:08:16 for the Celtics to go.
01:08:17 - Bobby Manning right now is walking through the tunnel
01:08:20 like Jason Tatum does.
01:08:21 He's got a strut on him.
01:08:23 - Does he have a horrific looking suit?
01:08:25 - He's headed for the bike.
01:08:27 - He has on a great suit.
01:08:29 We're gonna pause here to get Bobby on, so be right back.
01:08:32 - All right, thanks.
01:08:34 - What?
01:08:35 - He said he's leaving.
01:08:36 - We're pausing, we don't have to pause.
01:08:38 - We're gonna pause for patient identification.
01:08:40 - Just leave.
01:08:41 We don't have to deal with that.
01:08:44 - He announced his departure.
01:08:46 - No, don't go.
01:08:47 - No, Nick, stay.
01:08:49 - Can we say that-
01:08:50 - Don't go.
01:08:51 - Can we say the thing we've been meaning to say
01:08:54 like the whole time?
01:08:55 We're kind of saying it as we're talking
01:08:58 about the Mavericks in general.
01:09:00 Like, it's just-
01:09:05 - How did they beat three games before they got here?
01:09:07 - A clear tier below, a clear tier.
01:09:12 They have to play out of their minds to win these games.
01:09:16 Out of their mind, shots have to fall,
01:09:18 their stars have to be insane.
01:09:20 Celtics have to not hit shots or just,
01:09:23 they have to play out of their minds.
01:09:25 - Too many things have to fall in place.
01:09:27 - Got it, I never, this wasn't a "Sulk it's real"
01:09:31 respect thing, I think it, I mean, meaning like,
01:09:34 I'm not taking that stance.
01:09:36 I didn't get the love on the other side.
01:09:38 You wanted to talk about Denver?
01:09:40 Yeah, Denver's one of those teams where you're like,
01:09:42 they do everything right.
01:09:43 You're gonna have to be near perfect to beat them.
01:09:45 And they're not, you know, different type of team.
01:09:49 I didn't, any of the other three non-Denver teams
01:09:52 that were possible opponents, I didn't get.
01:09:54 And this one I got the least.
01:09:56 I really, I really did.
01:09:57 I just never got it.
01:10:00 - This seemed like the worst team you ever had.
01:10:04 - I thought by a bit, so I don't know, I don't know.
01:10:08 - Well, I mean, one of the things that I think
01:10:10 Dallas benefited from was that they were able
01:10:13 to knock off some teams that, if we're being honest
01:10:16 and candid, extremely talented, but very young.
01:10:20 And the playoffs is just, it's just not a place
01:10:23 for the kiddies to run free and have lots of success.
01:10:27 And Minnesota is gonna be a really good team
01:10:29 for the next couple of years, but they weren't ready.
01:10:32 They weren't ready to take that next step.
01:10:34 And Dallas was, Dallas simply kept games close.
01:10:39 They, I didn't think Minnesota did a good enough job
01:10:42 of making Luka work the way the Celtics are.
01:10:45 And he had plenty of ammo down the stretch
01:10:49 to put those, put that team away.
01:10:51 Luka is gassed by the 10th and fourth quarter
01:10:54 against Toronto.
01:10:55 And the guy, and the guy that is attacking him
01:10:58 more than anyone else, Drew Holiday,
01:11:00 is probably the strongest player pound for pound
01:11:02 in the Celtics roster.
01:11:03 So he's, Luka's not used to having someone
01:11:06 as physically giving it to him the way Drew Holiday does.
01:11:11 - By the way, that injury stuff,
01:11:14 I didn't think was more gamesmanship from Tatum.
01:11:17 I thought that was Luka trying to, you know,
01:11:20 pad, you know, a few excuses here on the,
01:11:24 well, you know, we weren't really right sort of thing.
01:11:27 I didn't think that was to mess with the Celtics' heads.
01:11:28 Give me a break with that.
01:11:30 Anyway, go ahead, Sherrod.
01:11:31 That, that just, I thought that was nonsense.
01:11:34 - No, his coach is Jason Kidd,
01:11:35 and we all know that Jason is Mr. Jedi Mind Tricks all day.
01:11:39 - I think he thinks he is.
01:11:41 - He's the opposite of Jedi.
01:11:42 He's a moron.
01:11:43 That's a topic for another day, I guess.
01:11:49 - Damn, damn, I don't know if I call him a moron.
01:11:52 He's a Hall of Famer, good player.
01:11:54 - Good at basketball, but that doesn't make him smart.
01:11:57 - No, no.
01:11:59 - I wish.
01:12:00 - Play well with your friend, don't you?
01:12:03 - He can beat me in basketball, I'll give him that.
01:12:06 But mind tricks, nah, you're not gonna beat me
01:12:08 in mind tricks, no chance.
01:12:10 - Yeah.
01:12:11 - He's not gonna beat the Celtics in mind tricks either.
01:12:12 He tried it, he tried it and he failed.
01:12:15 You know, he's spending more time talking
01:12:16 about the Celtics and trying to get in their head.
01:12:18 He should spend more time trying to figure out
01:12:21 what his own guys can do and who is, you know,
01:12:23 who is, what his best players can do to try to compete
01:12:26 in this series, make it interesting.
01:12:28 This is gonna be a sweep if he can't figure out
01:12:30 what the hell is going on over there.
01:12:32 - I think the problem, Jimmy,
01:12:33 is that he knows what his guys can do.
01:12:35 And that's why you gotta go to mind tricks,
01:12:37 because you know that talent-wise,
01:12:39 you don't match up at all with the Celtics team.
01:12:43 Like I said, Luca is the one player who has an advantage,
01:12:46 but even that advantage isn't all that big an advantage.
01:12:50 'Cause I mean, Drew Holiday more than gave him
01:12:52 the business in this game.
01:12:54 I mean, he had 32, Luke and Drew had, what, 26?
01:12:59 And lever rebounds, so.
01:13:01 - You can't take the Mavericks seriously,
01:13:04 said the guy in the hard hat.
01:13:05 (laughing)
01:13:07 - Sorry for protection, everybody.
01:13:09 Hey, so I come to work, I put on the hard hat,
01:13:12 I strap on the steel-toed boots, bunch of pails.
01:13:15 You guys know the deal.
01:13:16 Come over here.
01:13:17 You guys know the deal.
01:13:18 Hard hat type of performance right here
01:13:22 from the Celtics tonight, from Drew Holiday.
01:13:24 I wanna give him the honorary hard hat tonight,
01:13:25 Drew Holiday.
01:13:27 I'm gonna have to give Bobby, I'm gonna have to-
01:13:28 - You've pinched it from the brownie, yeah.
01:13:30 - I'm gonna have to give Bobby like a bunch of hard hats
01:13:32 to hand out when he, you know, maybe at,
01:13:35 either at game five or if it's a farewell, you know,
01:13:38 media thing, but I'm gonna have to do that.
01:13:43 - Guys, I do think you deserve this.
01:13:46 I do.
01:13:47 - I think you deserve it too.
01:13:49 We deserve it.
01:13:50 - Where's Bobby?
01:13:53 - I see Joe Swain and Bobby like-
01:13:57 - I mean, really taking their time.
01:13:59 - Really.
01:14:00 - To get on for the last seven minutes of the show.
01:14:03 - Yeah.
01:14:04 - Classic.
01:14:06 Who are they wearing tonight?
01:14:09 They dressed to impress tonight, Gerard?
01:14:11 Or John, you guys see that?
01:14:13 - Joe Swain was next to me.
01:14:14 I don't remember what he had on.
01:14:15 - Oh, that's not a good sign.
01:14:18 - I don't remember.
01:14:19 - What else?
01:14:22 - I don't think it was Armani or Gucci.
01:14:24 - Did Kyrie talk?
01:14:27 Did Luca, do we have any clips for those guys?
01:14:29 I would love to hear Kyrie's.
01:14:31 - Our producer behind the scenes, Jackson Tolliver,
01:14:33 if you've got any sound from those guys,
01:14:35 I am curious about Kyrie's journey and about Luca's
01:14:39 thoracic, you know.
01:14:42 - Contusion.
01:14:45 - I wanna hear how Kyrie spins this one.
01:14:47 That's beautiful.
01:14:50 - I do, I am interested in that as well.
01:14:52 Very interested to see what happens.
01:14:55 Letting you guys know, the CLNS crew
01:14:56 is going to be headed to Dallas as well.
01:14:59 We're taking, it's gonna be, I mean, Jimmy,
01:15:02 earmuffs, Jimmy, it's gonna be.
01:15:05 - I don't wanna hear this.
01:15:09 - Sherrod, Joe Swain, Manning, Amit,
01:15:14 Zanis, Jelso, booming out in Dallas.
01:15:19 He's going.
01:15:20 - I can still hear it a little bit in my ears.
01:15:21 I just thought I heard Jelso.
01:15:22 I didn't just hear Jelso, did I?
01:15:24 - Did you just mouth Jelso?
01:15:26 - There's no way you just said Jelso.
01:15:28 - I'll tell you this right now, Nick is tired.
01:15:31 Nick is legit tired.
01:15:33 I think he's regretting the Dallas thing right now.
01:15:36 - Do you think I can fudge the name and the picture?
01:15:38 Maybe?
01:15:40 Get a little trip out there.
01:15:42 - Hey, we love you guys too.
01:15:44 - Yeah, I'm cool with that.
01:15:44 - If you do, Jimmy, make sure you record it.
01:15:47 I wanna see what happens when TSA catches you.
01:15:50 - So we got Wednesday.
01:15:51 Wednesday's game three, huh?
01:15:54 - Yeah.
01:15:54 - No, I won't fudge my plane ticket shot.
01:15:56 I'm gonna fudge the media.
01:15:58 - Ah.
01:15:59 - Yeah.
01:16:01 I ain't gonna mess with the TSA people.
01:16:04 - Good call.
01:16:05 Good call.
01:16:06 - Yo, somebody just said I have ears.
01:16:08 Just regular looking ears.
01:16:10 - I don't know what's going on with those guys.
01:16:12 I wonder if they got boobies.
01:16:13 - Just regular ears.
01:16:14 Don't you wanna start something with my ears?
01:16:16 - Hold on, I'm gonna check if those guys got moved.
01:16:21 - Oh boy, here we go.
01:16:23 Look at this.
01:16:24 - Deep tarmac.
01:16:25 Disrespect.
01:16:27 Unbelievable.
01:16:28 You know what?
01:16:31 It is what it is.
01:16:32 Oh, that's a mean one.
01:16:34 What else about this game, guys?
01:16:39 What else stood out?
01:16:40 Anything?
01:16:41 I feel like-
01:16:42 - Look, we can have-
01:16:43 - I wish this game had more going on.
01:16:44 - Where did you guys end on the Tatum conversation?
01:16:48 - I haven't really given a point yet.
01:16:49 So let me-
01:16:51 - Let's hear your takes on it.
01:16:52 Here's what's gonna happen, right?
01:16:54 'Cause you had the entire weekend
01:16:56 where the talk shows were off mainly
01:16:59 and Kid drops those comments.
01:17:00 And then you get into a game here
01:17:04 where the box score and the easy low-hanging fruit
01:17:07 is gonna be like, "Your superstar goes six for 22?
01:17:12 Are you kidding?"
01:17:14 And you're gonna get a lot of that.
01:17:16 And again, he's rightfully gonna get dragged
01:17:18 for not shooting better.
01:17:20 And this is gonna be a narrative
01:17:23 and people are gonna hate it.
01:17:24 They're not gonna wanna listen to it,
01:17:25 but it's gonna go there.
01:17:27 Whether you want it or not.
01:17:30 It's like, "Is Tatum in his own head?
01:17:32 What's going on there?
01:17:33 How can you shoot this poorly?
01:17:34 What's wrong with the guy?"
01:17:36 And it's going to diminish in some people's eyes
01:17:38 the kind of, "Well, I don't think they're great.
01:17:41 They don't have any stars."
01:17:42 What's so funny is how the Celtics
01:17:44 went and became the 2004 Detroit Pistons
01:17:46 when they have a guy who's three years running,
01:17:49 first team All-NBA,
01:17:50 and another guy who was second team All-NBA last year.
01:17:53 Two old defensive players.
01:17:54 - Oh, and a guy with the biggest contract
01:17:57 in NFL NBA history.
01:17:59 - Yeah, former All-Stars.
01:18:01 I mean, the current All-Stars literally,
01:18:04 and somehow it's gonna be talked as like
01:18:06 this gritty, scrappy guys who are,
01:18:09 "The whole is greater than the sum of the parts,"
01:18:11 sort of thing, which is freaking hilarious.
01:18:13 - They got a bunch of love.
01:18:14 - Literally, they're stars across the board.
01:18:17 They might not be top four, top five stars,
01:18:21 but they're really a lot.
01:18:23 I mean, they probably have five of the best 30 players
01:18:26 in the NBA.
01:18:27 It's insane.
01:18:28 This is not a gritty, scrappy group.
01:18:31 But the Tatum argument's gonna get out of hand here
01:18:33 if he doesn't start, if he doesn't have a Tatum game.
01:18:36 We're gonna bring in Bobby and Josue here, but Jimmy-
01:18:38 - You didn't get my freaking point in.
01:18:40 - Jimmy, give me your take.
01:18:42 - Well, no one wants to hear me now 'cause they're here.
01:18:44 - All right, I'm getting rid of 'em.
01:18:46 Go ahead.
01:18:47 - No, I'm just joking.
01:18:47 You can have 'em back.
01:18:48 You can have 'em back.
01:18:49 - No, no, no, no, you go first.
01:18:50 - No, no, no, you can have 'em back,
01:18:51 but I'll still say my point.
01:18:52 So basically, you did say some of the things
01:18:53 I was gonna say is you have to compartmentalize
01:18:55 his performance.
01:18:56 So clearly there's something off with the shot.
01:18:59 He's in his own head.
01:19:00 He passed up a lot of shots that normally
01:19:02 he would have no problem taking because of how off he was.
01:19:06 So on one hand, it's good that he made,
01:19:08 I guess it's glass half full or half empty.
01:19:10 Is it a good thing that he passed up the shots
01:19:12 to make the pass and that's why he had some more assists?
01:19:15 Or do you want him to try to shoot out of it
01:19:16 and just hope that he kind of gets out
01:19:19 of that shooting slump?
01:19:20 Now, it sucks that he's in it because we know
01:19:22 that he's what he's capable of offensively.
01:19:25 This is beyond, I think, the struggles
01:19:28 that we thought he'd end up with.
01:19:29 So I do think some of it's mental.
01:19:32 He hasn't really been a player that's going
01:19:34 to take over games offensively and do that whole thing
01:19:37 'cause he hasn't, and especially hasn't really needed to.
01:19:38 So that's the big difference right now
01:19:40 is that he doesn't need to.
01:19:41 So he's less likely to force things.
01:19:44 The shooting is a red glaring issue though.
01:19:48 And so if people do want to criticize him for that,
01:19:50 they have every right to, but the one thing you can say
01:19:53 is that he didn't just go six for 22
01:19:57 and not try to make his teammates better,
01:19:59 not try to rip down boards.
01:20:01 He had a couple of big boards in that second half.
01:20:03 - Oh, huge one late.
01:20:05 - Huge one late there, right over.
01:20:07 Yeah, so he wasn't sulking.
01:20:09 He wasn't like, "Woe is me."
01:20:11 All those things are true.
01:20:13 - And 12 assists is nothing to sniff at
01:20:15 because he's a guy that-
01:20:18 - Bobby and Joe's probably the rally around him
01:20:21 in the locker room here,
01:20:22 'cause typically when he has these games,
01:20:24 people feel the need to go over the top
01:20:25 about how important, how valuable he was.
01:20:28 I think the consensus on the garden report here
01:20:30 among all of us so far is he actually did have
01:20:32 a very good game.
01:20:33 You can't run away from how bad the shooting is
01:20:36 and some of the turnovers and decision-making
01:20:40 when he's trying to get to a shot.
01:20:41 His relentless driving all game long
01:20:45 is one of the things that really drove the offense tonight.
01:20:48 I mean, the thing that drove the offense, I think.
01:20:50 - Right, no question.
01:20:52 I thought the way he finished the first half,
01:20:54 getting to the free throw line for the first time,
01:20:56 and I'm like, "Man, he's gotta keep that going."
01:20:57 And that's exactly what he did coming out of halftime.
01:20:59 And then as they continued to collapse,
01:21:01 the way the rest of the Celtics players just spread out,
01:21:04 whether it was D. White, Drew Holiday,
01:21:06 who was just scoring all around the paint
01:21:08 with some fancy layups up and under,
01:21:09 like it was really impressive in the sense
01:21:11 of how he was getting his buckets.
01:21:12 But then he started, he extended his shot
01:21:13 out to the three-point arc,
01:21:14 and that really opened things up for him
01:21:16 and everybody else, including Jason Taylor.
01:21:19 - Yeah, and definitely, like you said, John,
01:21:21 the defense there from teammates.
01:21:24 I think everybody loves what he's doing.
01:21:25 I think they think he's doing the necessary things.
01:21:28 And Chris Stapps in particular said
01:21:30 it's tough driving every time like that.
01:21:31 - It's guys and court.
01:21:32 - And that is the one thing you like about this game
01:21:34 is this was a game where Dallas took you
01:21:38 off the three-point line in a pretty aggressive way.
01:21:41 So to start 21 to 33 from inside the arc,
01:21:44 to dominate in the paint like they did overall,
01:21:46 if Tatum got his layups to go,
01:21:48 which were a lot of his shooting struggles,
01:21:50 missed bunnies in there,
01:21:52 you're looking at a runaway win in this game.
01:21:55 So that's where, the shooting's a big part of his game.
01:21:57 He needs to shoot well, at least decent.
01:22:00 Shooting poorly, as he's done throughout the playoffs,
01:22:03 it's tough and it makes it a little easier to guard.
01:22:08 The difference between Tatum this year,
01:22:12 Tatum two years ago and Brown to some degree too,
01:22:14 although Brown had his turnover issues tonight,
01:22:16 they're able to make that play again and again and again,
01:22:19 and care less than ever, at the very least,
01:22:22 about the low scoring figures from those guys.
01:22:25 And the teammates, the help is different.
01:22:27 They're able to hurt the defense
01:22:29 in a much more effective way.
01:22:31 You know, Holiday tonight,
01:22:33 I don't know if Smart's able to sit himself
01:22:35 in that position and make those tough layups,
01:22:37 make those tough finishes.
01:22:38 - See, Sharaf, he did it. - They were tough.
01:22:39 - He did it, me, I didn't do it.
01:22:42 - I was gonna ask if you guys brought that up too.
01:22:46 Is that something you guys talked about earlier?
01:22:47 - I did.
01:22:47 - I mean, look, every once in a while,
01:22:48 it comes up, he's in the back of most people's minds,
01:22:51 watching these games.
01:22:52 I mean, how can he not be?
01:22:53 When you look at what this team was,
01:22:54 what they looked like last year.
01:22:55 But I mean, Drew has just been spectacular.
01:22:58 It's simple as that.
01:22:59 It was his best performance of the playoffs, if you ask me.
01:23:02 And a lot of it was just because of the Dalles Mavericks,
01:23:04 just maybe forgetting about him a little bit helped,
01:23:08 but also just, it was Drew making the plays
01:23:10 that he needed to make and splitting defenders
01:23:12 and just making some really, really tough baskets down low
01:23:15 through contact and everything.
01:23:17 It was an incredible performance.
01:23:18 - If it was him just making reads
01:23:19 and putting himself in those positions, that's big stuff.
01:23:22 I wonder how much of it was a game plan
01:23:24 to say that Dunker's spot's gonna be open there
01:23:27 like it was over and over and over again.
01:23:29 'Cause it seemed to happen
01:23:30 midway through the second quarter.
01:23:32 - I'm gonna credit Joe for that.
01:23:34 I don't know if that's something they did.
01:23:36 Did anybody ask anybody about that?
01:23:38 Like how that came about?
01:23:39 - It looked pretty methodical.
01:23:40 - It just kinda happened all the time.
01:23:44 What's that?
01:23:45 - It was one of the things I asked off the bat, John,
01:23:47 and I got scolded by Joe.
01:23:49 He said, "I didn't ask the right first question
01:23:51 "of the presser.
01:23:51 "It should have been about Peyton Pritchard's heave,
01:23:54 "10 to third."
01:23:55 He said that was the most important play of the game.
01:23:56 - Were you doing the sidebar thing?
01:23:58 Were you pushing the side after that?
01:23:59 - No, it was right in the presser.
01:24:01 - You should have asked about Peyton Pritchard's religion.
01:24:05 That was the right, I wouldn't have asked the question.
01:24:06 (laughing)
01:24:09 - Yeah, you should have.
01:24:10 He would have loved that question.
01:24:11 (laughing)
01:24:12 - Hey, is Kyrie still in the game?
01:24:15 - You think it was just faith?
01:24:16 Yeah, I don't know.
01:24:17 Anything from Kyrie Jackson?
01:24:19 - I don't see anything on Kyrie.
01:24:20 - Yes, yes.
01:24:22 Kyrie, yeah, actually had a chance to catch
01:24:24 the last few minutes of his presser
01:24:26 on my way to the Celtics.
01:24:27 And yeah, he gave a lot of credit
01:24:28 to the Celtics' defense.
01:24:30 You know, what they've been able to do
01:24:33 in the sense of just stopping them,
01:24:34 especially in transition.
01:24:35 He believes that it's something that's gonna improve
01:24:37 in a big way in Dallas.
01:24:38 He also talked about Pritchard's shot,
01:24:40 actually, believe it or not.
01:24:41 Talking about just how some of those shots
01:24:43 just really hurt, you know,
01:24:44 when you think you've got the Celtics
01:24:46 in sort of a, in the corner, so to speak.
01:24:48 Even though they didn't, they had the lead,
01:24:50 but not quite at that point.
01:24:51 - I do think it was a big play.
01:24:52 - When he hit the buzzer beater.
01:24:54 But yeah, it was just a bit of a punch in the gut.
01:24:56 - Didn't Indiana do it to the Celtics a hundred times?
01:24:58 - Yeah, yeah.
01:24:59 - Didn't they hit like five,
01:25:00 didn't the Pacers hit like five buzzer beaters,
01:25:03 quarter buzzer beaters in that series?
01:25:05 - That was like their thing, that series.
01:25:06 Yeah, you're right.
01:25:07 - That's just such a gut punch.
01:25:09 It's so, we've been on the other side of it.
01:25:11 Dallas must've been like, oh no.
01:25:15 It was like, oh, that was-
01:25:16 - And then Kyrie talked about,
01:25:18 he talked about one that happened in game one
01:25:20 with Sam Houser.
01:25:21 He said, dude, as he put it,
01:25:23 kind of paraphrasing here,
01:25:24 he said, dude didn't even bring the ball down.
01:25:26 He still, he just caught, threw it up there,
01:25:28 and it went through the net.
01:25:29 He actually pointed to them playing in this environment
01:25:31 and playing at TD Garden,
01:25:33 and it just makes it particularly more difficult.
01:25:36 I think it's more difficult for him, if you ask me though.
01:25:38 I mean, if you look at the numbers,
01:25:40 I mean, it's not like they've been spectacular
01:25:42 here all season.
01:25:44 They've only lost two in the playoffs
01:25:46 and they both happened here.
01:25:47 And throughout the regular season,
01:25:50 it wasn't the greatest record,
01:25:51 but Kyrie thinks it's a big part
01:25:54 of what's going on here for Celtics.
01:25:55 - I always think about those things too,
01:25:57 because you're up five at that point
01:26:00 when Washington's running for that fast break
01:26:02 where White and Brown blocked them.
01:26:03 - PJ, yeah.
01:26:04 - If you didn't get that Pritchard heave,
01:26:06 which Brown actually said Pritchard
01:26:08 checked himself into the game to take.
01:26:11 So again, another guy making a play,
01:26:13 making a decision on this team
01:26:14 to insert himself into an important position.
01:26:17 - That's a veteran move right there too.
01:26:18 - So you don't hit that shot
01:26:21 and everything else stays the same.
01:26:23 Washington's running to tie the game,
01:26:25 not make it a three point game at that point
01:26:28 after the 11 nothing run or whatever it was,
01:26:31 or nine nothing run.
01:26:31 So I always just look at plays like that.
01:26:35 There was a lane violation on Brown's missed free throw
01:26:38 in the second, I think, where he reshoots it,
01:26:41 he gets an extra point from that.
01:26:43 That offensive rebound Holiday got
01:26:45 that got Tatum a three point play.
01:26:47 Those are the little things this team does
01:26:49 that is gonna make them a champion team.
01:26:51 And as they started doing that more and more this year,
01:26:53 it happened pretty early in the season, those kind of plays.
01:26:57 But now that it's translated night after night
01:26:59 in the playoffs, this is why you're gonna go potentially
01:27:02 80 and 20 this season if you sleep this series
01:27:05 or 14 or 16 and two in these playoffs
01:27:09 or whatever it will be if you sleep this series.
01:27:12 Those things make it so that if there's a close game,
01:27:15 you're gonna pull it out.
01:27:17 If it's a game that you're probably gonna lose,
01:27:19 you might pull it out still.
01:27:21 Or if you're up by a small amount in a game,
01:27:24 you might win it big.
01:27:25 And that's what this team did all year.
01:27:26 It's gonna be the thing I remember most about this team
01:27:28 if they win the championship,
01:27:30 is just doing all those little things
01:27:32 that expand their margins, give them room for error.
01:27:34 If you're up two, or if you're potentially gonna give up
01:27:37 a tie in that game, you might not be able to contest
01:27:39 that breakaway as much.
01:27:41 'Cause if you follow them,
01:27:42 you're potentially giving away the lead there.
01:27:44 You're up five, it's Washington,
01:27:46 you can be a little bit more aggressive there.
01:27:48 And that's what a play like that Pritchard one does.
01:27:50 It was huge.
01:27:51 I don't know if it was lead the press conference off huge,
01:27:53 but it was big.
01:27:55 - Yeah, but that's Joe.
01:27:56 I get it.
01:27:57 But I like that Cary brought it up
01:27:58 because it shows that it was in his mind.
01:28:01 Even after everything that happened
01:28:02 throughout the second half,
01:28:03 he's like, "Man, that Pritchard three."
01:28:05 - Three seconds left.
01:28:06 They got three guys at midcourt trying to prevent it
01:28:08 and he still gets it off and hits it pretty clean.
01:28:11 - And I love the fact that Tatum and Brown,
01:28:13 for them to combine for as many assists as they did,
01:28:15 completely, more assists than the Dallas Marist had
01:28:19 as a team.
01:28:20 I mean, that's just a testament to how deep this team is,
01:28:23 right?
01:28:24 How they really trust these guys.
01:28:25 And for Jalen Brown to put the icing on the cake
01:28:28 with that block, that chase down block,
01:28:29 that collaborative block with Derek White.
01:28:32 That was special, man.
01:28:33 This place was rocking.
01:28:34 - While you're talking about it,
01:28:35 one of the things we spent a good amount of time on
01:28:37 was just talking about how critical the defense was
01:28:41 in both of these games.
01:28:42 And it's kind of a sign of how the Celtics
01:28:44 are extremely serious about this.
01:28:46 Is there hasn't been a lot done.
01:28:48 Even when they were playing poorly,
01:28:49 they were playing hard in that first half
01:28:52 when the shots weren't falling.
01:28:53 And the defense was clearly something
01:28:55 that they're locked in on.
01:28:56 And honestly, there's been so few left
01:28:59 through the first two games.
01:29:01 The defense has been relentless
01:29:03 and really set the tone for this.
01:29:04 And it's why you win a game
01:29:06 when you shoot as poorly as you did from three,
01:29:09 which is your hallmark on offense,
01:29:11 and you weren't really able to do it.
01:29:13 Here's Jalen Brown, who's been lights out on defense,
01:29:16 both of these games.
01:29:17 And he's throwing that Lucas.
01:29:19 I mean, he's been all over
01:29:20 and he was part of that big chase down block
01:29:22 at the end of the game.
01:29:23 Here's Brown talking about the defense.
01:29:24 - You guys have held the maps under 100
01:29:26 in both of these games.
01:29:27 And then particularly in the second half tonight,
01:29:29 we did against Lucas.
01:29:30 Defensively, how are you doing this?
01:29:32 - Just like effort plays.
01:29:37 I think tonight we wasn't as crisp defensively.
01:29:41 It was a lot of miscommunications out there.
01:29:43 A lot of stuff that we gave up
01:29:45 that we didn't give up in the first game.
01:29:48 So I think we gotta be better in that regard.
01:29:51 But I think our effort has been the key.
01:29:54 Just the mentality, picking a guy up full court,
01:29:57 and stuff like that just wears on him over time.
01:30:00 But I think we need to be more crisp
01:30:03 going into the next two games.
01:30:06 Fourth row on the aisle over here on your left.
01:30:08 (crowd cheering)
01:30:11 - Yeah, and you saw those breakdowns.
01:30:12 - Effort makes up for lack of execution
01:30:15 in some things there.
01:30:16 It's like, if it's not going perfectly,
01:30:19 if you just keep grinding like they have been,
01:30:21 good things come out of it.
01:30:24 There's been no let up in their effort
01:30:26 at any point in this series defensively.
01:30:29 - No, and that's what you have to do.
01:30:31 - That's what you have to do to start the game.
01:30:33 - Yeah, you do.
01:30:34 - Effort made up for bad shot making on your end.
01:30:37 Dallas getting hot, UCA getting hot early.
01:30:40 You kept it close 'cause of that effort.
01:30:42 Doing little things, defending, all that stuff.
01:30:45 So again, another hallmark of this team.
01:30:48 And Josue, I have a tough time believing in these mouths.
01:30:53 You just see these two teams.
01:30:55 - I don't blame you, man.
01:30:56 (laughing)
01:30:59 - We're trying to manage the actual series here.
01:31:02 - Jimmy and I didn't believe from the get go.
01:31:05 We did not.
01:31:06 - It's the first time all believers.
01:31:07 - Anywhere close to what the folks are doing right now.
01:31:09 - It's just tough, right?
01:31:10 'Cause they're so limited around the two stars.
01:31:13 Have the two stars struggling like they have.
01:31:14 I thought Luca was horrible.
01:31:16 Horrible in the second half.
01:31:18 And how did the injury play into that?
01:31:20 I don't know.
01:31:21 - There's no injury.
01:31:22 He was gassed 'cause they're wearing him down.
01:31:24 There's no injury.
01:31:25 There's no injury that's limiting him in a serious way.
01:31:28 There's not.
01:31:29 - He played all but, what, 96 in that first half?
01:31:32 - When they hit those two almost knockout shots
01:31:35 in the third before Dallas went on that run
01:31:37 to almost tie it, it was Drew then White.
01:31:40 And I think Luca turned it over before the Drew one, right?
01:31:43 And so he's back on offense or defense.
01:31:46 And he just stood there and watched Drew pull up
01:31:48 and just didn't try.
01:31:49 It looked like he quit in that moment.
01:31:51 I think they called timeout after the next one
01:31:53 that White hit.
01:31:54 You can't do that in the finals.
01:31:56 And there's too many moments like that with him.
01:31:58 He doesn't look ready physically for this moment.
01:32:02 Injuries and just the conditioning
01:32:04 and the ability to defend play after play.
01:32:06 Luca really got Tatum going to the degree
01:32:09 that Tatum did in that second half
01:32:11 'cause he just allowed Tatum to blow by him.
01:32:13 Hope comes behind and he's passing the ball
01:32:16 all over the place.
01:32:17 He's a disaster defensively.
01:32:19 He really is.
01:32:20 - I mean, they forced him to be a defender.
01:32:22 And I think that what you're saying,
01:32:24 I mean, there's a lot to it.
01:32:25 Him doing what he did in that first half was incredible.
01:32:28 I'll be the first one to say,
01:32:29 I've never seen someone score 20 points that quickly
01:32:32 in 12 minutes.
01:32:33 But he needs help.
01:32:34 He needs other guys out there.
01:32:35 He needs three, four, three pointers from PJ Washington.
01:32:38 He needs Lyle to drop 14.
01:32:39 He's Kyrie to be anywhere near 20, 21, 22.
01:32:43 Like that stuff is just,
01:32:44 it's really hard for them to put together
01:32:46 outside of obviously what Luca's been doing.
01:32:48 - And you know, you have the injury.
01:32:50 - You mentioned that real quick.
01:32:52 Just where you mentioned that boy,
01:32:53 have they completely taken their bigs out of the series?
01:32:56 - Yeah, in a big way.
01:32:59 I mean, they got a couple of those alley-oos,
01:33:00 which I was like, okay, that was huge for them.
01:33:02 - But almost none.
01:33:03 - It's been super hard for them to get those.
01:33:06 Yeah.
01:33:07 I mean, the way everyone's running back, Drew, White.
01:33:10 I mean, there was one play where Al got back.
01:33:12 He didn't block Luca, but he got in front of him.
01:33:14 You know, that type of resistance
01:33:16 where he had a second chance play opportunity,
01:33:18 but then he protected the room the rest of the way.
01:33:20 There was other members of the Mavericks down there.
01:33:22 They couldn't get the layup and Al was there
01:33:24 just to completely ruin their day.
01:33:27 I just feel like there's so many guys like that
01:33:29 who get back in transition, who are athletic.
01:33:32 You know, they're quicker than the Mavericks.
01:33:35 - I remember one lob, guys.
01:33:37 That's it.
01:33:38 - That kind of play.
01:33:39 Yeah, I think there was two, but yeah, you might be right.
01:33:41 I mean, one was when Derek White got dunked on.
01:33:43 Is that the one?
01:33:44 - Porzingis got caught in between
01:33:46 and he couldn't quite get back on it.
01:33:47 He had to extend out on the shooter a little bit.
01:33:50 They got one, I remember.
01:33:51 But yeah, anyway, it wasn't much at all.
01:33:53 It really wasn't much at all.
01:33:55 We're still waiting on Jason Tatum to speak.
01:33:58 We might linger on a little bit longer,
01:34:00 see if we can get Tatum's reaction to his game on here.
01:34:03 I want him to be happy instead of mopey at the podium.
01:34:08 You're up two-oh.
01:34:09 I'm hoping, I wanna see, you know.
01:34:14 - You should be.
01:34:15 You played good.
01:34:16 - We're not gonna get mopey Tatum, I hope not.
01:34:18 - You played good again.
01:34:19 - After this whole weekend, you know, yeah.
01:34:21 The second half, he turned his performance around a bit.
01:34:25 - Let me just say, if this series continues
01:34:27 to go in this direction, I don't wanna hear
01:34:29 about Luka being better than Tatum
01:34:31 'cause of the stats or the output or the scoring,
01:34:33 whatever, just watch the two guys play head to head.
01:34:37 They're going head to head in this series.
01:34:38 Tatum's guarding Luka almost every possession in this game.
01:34:42 Luka's guarding Tatum quite a few in this game.
01:34:44 And Luka can't stop Tatum ever.
01:34:46 And Tatum's piling up stops on him where he can.
01:34:49 So it's just, it's not about the scoring.
01:34:52 It's not about the stats.
01:34:53 Just look at their impact on the game.
01:34:54 And Luka isn't even close to Tatum right now in this series.
01:34:58 I don't care that he has the ball every play
01:35:00 and he's shooting every shot.
01:35:01 So he's scoring more points.
01:35:03 Like this is kind of where it gets ridiculous
01:35:05 when we talk about Tatum.
01:35:07 And I am gonna defend him in that sense
01:35:08 because Luka is not doing anything else
01:35:11 aside from handling the ball the whole game
01:35:13 and doing everything.
01:35:15 And Tatum's touching all these other areas of the game.
01:35:17 Like it's ridiculous.
01:35:19 - But Tatum has more help.
01:35:22 - Are you mad about it?
01:35:24 - Yeah, he's sounding mad.
01:35:25 He's sounding big mad.
01:35:26 What's Luka supposed to do?
01:35:28 - Is he supposed to shoot to freaking PJ Washington?
01:35:31 Break a shot?
01:35:32 - Defend.
01:35:34 - Defend, it's part of the game.
01:35:38 Why can't he defend?
01:35:39 - He can't Bobby, he can't.
01:35:42 He tries.
01:35:43 - He's fired up.
01:35:44 - He tries.
01:35:45 He can't.
01:35:46 - There's two sides to the ball
01:35:47 and we never talk about defense.
01:35:49 - We do, but Bobby, it's again, it's not equal.
01:35:52 Like a guy who's good at defense
01:35:54 and you know, and also good at offense.
01:35:57 Like the defense, like Luka's so otherworldly offensively
01:36:02 in terms of being able to control every aspect of the game
01:36:06 when he has the ball in his hands.
01:36:08 He's that Uber alpha that you just give him the ball
01:36:10 and let him do it all.
01:36:12 That it just elevates him beyond most players offensively
01:36:15 'cause very few people can do what he does.
01:36:18 But defensively, he's a problem.
01:36:21 He's a legit problem.
01:36:23 And there's a great line.
01:36:24 I think it was in Corrales wrote it, BSJ here
01:36:28 from a Simpsons, you know, quoting an old Simpsons episode
01:36:33 was basically, oh, it was Donchus is like beer.
01:36:39 Donchus is the cause of and solution
01:36:41 to all of the Mavs problems, you know?
01:36:43 And that's pretty much what it is.
01:36:45 It's like, he's the best thing about them
01:36:46 but also at times the worst thing about them.
01:36:49 And you can't separate the two Bobby.
01:36:50 So it's fair to point that out
01:36:54 because that's what you see is like
01:36:56 when he's as good as he is offensively
01:36:59 but your entire game plan is around,
01:37:01 let's just wreck that guy and run everything through him
01:37:06 and make him defend and make him to have to chase guys
01:37:09 and create three on two opportunities here
01:37:12 when he gets blown by on every single drive.
01:37:14 That's a legit problem.
01:37:16 It's almost every trip down, Luca is part
01:37:18 of what the other team is trying to do offensively.
01:37:21 It's a problem.
01:37:26 - And I just feel like with the defense, man,
01:37:27 this is the best we've seen, you know?
01:37:30 So of course it's gonna be hard
01:37:31 for him to get other guys going.
01:37:32 And of course, some of these guys just aren't experienced,
01:37:35 you know, enough to be in this big spot, you know?
01:37:38 Guys like Lively and man, we got a Dante Exum siding.
01:37:41 You hit a bucket, but just like guys who just aren't,
01:37:44 they haven't been here before
01:37:45 and they're being put in a big, big spot.
01:37:48 And yeah, obviously Luca's clearly prepared for it,
01:37:51 but it's really hard,
01:37:52 especially outside of Kyrie Herve, you know?
01:37:54 I thought PJ Washington was gonna have
01:37:56 somewhat of a better performance than we saw in game one,
01:37:58 but it comes and goes.
01:37:59 It's really hard for him to stay consistent
01:38:01 against the Celtics defense.
01:38:03 It never stops.
01:38:04 The Celtics defense just continues to get stronger
01:38:06 and stronger as the game goes on.
01:38:08 And by the fourth quarter, Dallas was just really,
01:38:11 it was really hard for them to put up points.
01:38:13 - Yeah, there's certainly a talent disparity in this series.
01:38:15 There's no doubt about it,
01:38:16 but you can utilize other guys and that's what Tatum does.
01:38:21 Yeah, he does allow the other guys
01:38:22 to set the table offensively at times.
01:38:24 - We don't hate that though.
01:38:25 He's supposed to score 40, he's Tatum.
01:38:27 - There were situations in this game where Tatum's off ball.
01:38:29 - He's gotta hit layups and drives stronger.
01:38:32 - Yeah, but my point is, John,
01:38:37 Luca's on the ball pretty much every possession
01:38:39 in the entire game.
01:38:40 There's a few where Irving is able to run the show
01:38:42 and run some sets and they got one in the first half
01:38:45 where he set up Luca in the corner,
01:38:47 but Tatum's off ball so much more often than him.
01:38:50 He's allowing other guys to initiate sets.
01:38:52 Brown, like how much more involved is Brown than Kyrie?
01:38:56 I think that stands out to me here
01:38:58 because if you're Luca, you can utilize a Kyrie
01:39:00 to try to free yourself a little bit,
01:39:03 try to get yourself to ball in some different positions,
01:39:05 but he just wants the ball in his hands the whole game,
01:39:07 like LeBron, like Harden,
01:39:09 like some of these most ball dominant guys ever.
01:39:12 So, this talent there for him to utilize,
01:39:14 this is the West champions.
01:39:15 They're not an eight seed here.
01:39:19 I guess this is a team that has some talent.
01:39:22 I know these guys are missing shots and all that,
01:39:24 but I'm gonna put some of this on Luca.
01:39:26 Tatum gets a lot of the blame when he struggles.
01:39:29 Luca's struggling immensely right now,
01:39:31 and I know he's hurt, but when you're hurt and you play,
01:39:33 - He's not hurt. - you get judged.
01:39:35 - And he's not, he's not, he's not hurt.
01:39:40 The Celtics are wearing him down.
01:39:41 They're wearing him down.
01:39:42 Luca started nine of 13 in the first half.
01:39:44 He finished 12 of 21.
01:39:46 So he went three of, he was almost, he almost disappeared.
01:39:49 I'm not gonna say a total non-factor,
01:39:52 two different players, first half, second half.
01:39:54 So, and Irving, again, he starts four of five,
01:39:57 he finishes seven of 18.
01:40:00 So, they wore him down.
01:40:01 They just wore these guys down.
01:40:02 They make them work for every single thing that they get,
01:40:04 and they make them defend,
01:40:05 and by the end, there's nothing left,
01:40:08 and that's gonna keep happening.
01:40:09 Credit to Missoula for not panicking at any point in time
01:40:13 early when Luca was hitting a ton of contested shots,
01:40:16 and like changing the plan and throwing other guys
01:40:19 or bringing others. - Well, they were
01:40:19 a little bit more trapped.
01:40:21 - Oh, yeah, they were a little more trapped.
01:40:22 But, John, even when he was going,
01:40:25 even when he was cooking, what did that turn into?
01:40:28 A four-point lead for the Mavericks?
01:40:30 - I thought the trap was really good.
01:40:31 - That's devastating.
01:40:32 You look at the scoreboard, you're like,
01:40:33 "Man, I'm exhausted.
01:40:34 "I just scored 20 points in 12 minutes,
01:40:35 "and we're up by three?"
01:40:38 - I think by the end of it, or by that third quarter,
01:40:40 when the way the Celtics kind of added the pressure on
01:40:44 defensively while Tatum was trying to find his rhythm,
01:40:47 it was a lot for him.
01:40:49 - Yeah, the traps are smart.
01:40:50 They came off guys who weren't threats.
01:40:52 - Yeah, exactly.
01:40:53 Every time they had an opportunity to do it, they did it.
01:40:56 Yeah, right, yeah.
01:40:57 - Well, and also, how many times did he wait way too long
01:40:59 to get rid of it?
01:41:00 He got like three seconds left.
01:41:01 He's throwing a grenade to Lively or whoever,
01:41:03 and they're chucking it up.
01:41:04 It's like, "Damn."
01:41:05 - These guys, man, though,
01:41:07 they are taking practice shots,
01:41:09 and they can't hit them right now.
01:41:10 Exxon, Derek Jones.
01:41:14 These guys, man, they're certainly not helping him,
01:41:16 so I guess I'll give him that.
01:41:18 But Tatum's been better than Luka so far in this series.
01:41:22 - No, I don't know.
01:41:26 - I got a chance to catch up with him in the hallway.
01:41:27 What'd you guys think of Kristaps Porzingis tonight?
01:41:29 - Old.
01:41:30 - Oh, he just wanted to make sure he wasn't hurt.
01:41:33 Sounds like he is.
01:41:34 - While we're trashing Luka and Kyrie,
01:41:37 I've got some sound.
01:41:38 Let's hear from those guys,
01:41:39 and then we'll move on to KP,
01:41:41 and then we'll wrap it.
01:41:42 Here you go.
01:41:42 - Eventually it worked.
01:41:43 - Yeah, I mean, obviously it didn't work 'cause we lost,
01:41:46 but at the end of the day,
01:41:50 we gotta make some more shots.
01:41:52 I think my turnovers and my missed free throws
01:41:54 cost us a game,
01:41:56 so I gotta do way better in those two categories.
01:42:00 But at the end of the day,
01:42:01 we gotta make shots to win the game.
01:42:04 - You know, a little disappointed in myself,
01:42:06 not being able to convert a lot more of my opportunities
01:42:09 that I have in the lane.
01:42:11 Obviously I'm going against Drew Holiday
01:42:13 and Jaylin Brown a few times,
01:42:15 but I feel like I have the upper edge
01:42:18 on certain possessions where I just gotta convert.
01:42:20 They're pushing me to my left hand a little bit more,
01:42:22 so I just gotta be aware of some of their adjustments
01:42:24 like I was in game one.
01:42:26 Felt good in the first half,
01:42:27 but in the second half,
01:42:29 just shots weren't going down,
01:42:30 and defensively I was out of position,
01:42:32 got some ticky tack fouls,
01:42:34 and just kind of took away from our flow of the game as well.
01:42:38 It wasn't just all on me,
01:42:39 but I'm definitely taking the majority of it
01:42:40 just because my teammates looked to me
01:42:43 to convert a lot of these shots and ease the burden,
01:42:45 not only just Luca,
01:42:46 but everyone else and settle our team.
01:42:48 - It wasn't on me, guys.
01:42:51 It wasn't on me.
01:42:52 It wasn't on me, guys.
01:42:53 I mean, I had something to do,
01:42:55 but it wasn't on me, so.
01:42:56 - And by the way, the Southers got six for 30
01:42:59 from three in this game.
01:43:00 They missed shots too.
01:43:02 - Five for 29 before the pitcher.
01:43:04 - A lot from three.
01:43:05 - Heave.
01:43:06 But, I mean, as we said,
01:43:08 those guys have to be like,
01:43:11 they have to be monsters,
01:43:13 and it's their Celtics are making it hard for them.
01:43:16 They have to be.
01:43:17 - And right now, I just get the sense
01:43:19 that Kyrie is just hoping that being back at home
01:43:21 is gonna change everything, you know?
01:43:23 And sometimes that doesn't always,
01:43:24 that's not always the way to go.
01:43:26 I mean, I don't know.
01:43:27 - They're gonna turn on them fast.
01:43:29 - Well, he's trying to give the Celtics a lot more credit
01:43:31 in a sense that they're playing here at TD Garden.
01:43:32 But for guys like us,
01:43:34 who've been watching this team all year long,
01:43:35 I mean, do any of you guys feel like that was the key
01:43:38 for them winning both of these games?
01:43:40 No, I just think the Celtics flat out beat them.
01:43:42 Yeah, this one was more competitive
01:43:43 than what we saw in game one,
01:43:45 but you still saw the gap,
01:43:47 the talent gap between these two teams.
01:43:49 Like, nothing about what we saw tonight has changed that.
01:43:51 - Yeah.
01:43:52 - Smart team, quicker to adjust,
01:43:53 quicker to notice things, make the right plays.
01:43:56 - Better team, better players.
01:43:58 - And again.
01:43:59 - I just feel like he's talking about himself.
01:44:01 He's like, "I'm gonna play better in Dallas.
01:44:02 It's fine."
01:44:04 Maybe he will, we'll see if he's gonna win.
01:44:06 - We said this, I said this on our text thread.
01:44:08 However you wanna rate this,
01:44:10 however you wanna rate where Luka and Kyrie fall
01:44:13 among the top, you know,
01:44:16 the hierarchy of rank, the players of this series,
01:44:19 I don't care who you put one, two, three, four.
01:44:21 The reality is the Mavericks are starting two guys
01:44:24 right now that would be, you know, like,
01:44:28 I don't know that Jones gets meaningful minutes
01:44:31 on the Celtics, period.
01:44:32 Gafford is your third center.
01:44:34 Gafford's your third center.
01:44:36 (laughing)
01:44:38 - Overlook?
01:44:38 - He's your third center, you know?
01:44:42 - Yes.
01:44:43 - And Washington probably takes the Hauser minutes
01:44:46 and that's it.
01:44:47 I mean, what are we talking about here?
01:44:48 You know, like, it's, again, I didn't get it.
01:44:52 You guys wanted to talk briefly about Chris Dapp's,
01:44:54 you know, and your thoughts there.
01:44:56 - Yeah, Bobby, you guys got to speak to him in the locker room.
01:45:01 I got a chance to catch up with him right in the hallway
01:45:03 before I hop on camera.
01:45:04 - Yeah, he wouldn't get in the injury specifically.
01:45:09 I don't know if you guys saw when it happened.
01:45:10 I didn't.
01:45:11 He just started to see him labor more, so half went on.
01:45:14 He wouldn't describe what it was,
01:45:16 but said it was not related to the previous injury
01:45:20 and that he's gonna try to be good to go.
01:45:22 They're gonna do everything they can
01:45:23 over the next two days to get him ready for that.
01:45:26 Also said he'll die out there.
01:45:27 You know, it wasn't hard to play through.
01:45:29 He was gonna fight through it, but did concede.
01:45:31 It was the right decision to get him out of there
01:45:34 'cause he was a little limited.
01:45:35 I don't know what it was.
01:45:36 - Wait, but what did Joe say though?
01:45:37 'Cause Joe completely dismissed it, right?
01:45:39 - Very surprising you did that.
01:45:42 - Are you being sarcastic?
01:45:43 I'm not surprised.
01:45:44 What do you mean?
01:45:45 If you ever see Joe be up there and be like,
01:45:47 yeah, man, we're screwed, or, you know,
01:45:48 maybe not screwed, but hey, so-and-so is really hurt.
01:45:50 He really hurt his ankle out there.
01:45:51 He's never gonna say something like that.
01:45:52 - This is what might concern you going to Dallas
01:45:54 because we're waiting for the aggravation,
01:45:57 and this probably wasn't an aggravation of that injury,
01:46:01 but maybe it was overcompensating in a different area.
01:46:05 Again, did you guys see anything?
01:46:06 'Cause I didn't see a specific injury.
01:46:09 - No, we didn't see like a moment when it happened.
01:46:12 - He just tailed way off, started laboring,
01:46:15 wasn't moving as well.
01:46:16 - No, there was an absolute moment
01:46:18 where he was off balance a little bit,
01:46:19 and you could see him kind of twist and tweak a little bit,
01:46:22 and then he was up and down.
01:46:23 So it was something, but it was the left leg, not the right.
01:46:26 And, you know, they were working on it afterwards.
01:46:29 So we'll see what that is.
01:46:30 But again, both he said he's not sitting game three,
01:46:33 and Joe said he's fine, no concern at all.
01:46:35 So I don't think they think there's a re-aggravation
01:46:38 of anything there.
01:46:40 What's going on, guys? - He's got a few days, too.
01:46:42 - Before we wrap it, is there any world in which,
01:46:46 what do you see happening here?
01:46:47 And again, the Celtics have been freaking lights out
01:46:50 on the road this postseason,
01:46:53 and that does not bode well for Dallas.
01:46:56 Also, Dallas had one thing they had going for them,
01:46:58 and again, not like other series play into this one,
01:47:01 but they were 3-0 in game twos this year,
01:47:04 and the Celtics were 1-2,
01:47:06 and this was the kind of bogeyman thing,
01:47:08 and it didn't go well for Dallas tonight.
01:47:12 And here they are headed back home,
01:47:13 down 2-0 with the Celtics.
01:47:15 Before we wrap it here, I'll just go around the horn.
01:47:18 Is it over?
01:47:18 And I mean, like, is it over in Dallas or what?
01:47:22 - They'll get one.
01:47:24 They'll get one.
01:47:24 You know, the Celtics will finish them off in five
01:47:28 back in Boston.
01:47:29 - Okay.
01:47:30 - Zamboni must be out.
01:47:33 - Yeah, Bobby Josue?
01:47:34 - Cleaning it up.
01:47:36 Yeah, I think they get one-two.
01:47:38 I just, I wish I predicted this one at five,
01:47:41 to be honest with you.
01:47:42 I just didn't.
01:47:42 I honestly thought Dallas, before the series started,
01:47:45 that they would be able to split these,
01:47:46 but this was gonna be the game, in my opinion, game two.
01:47:49 And even though the scoreboard doesn't indicate the gap,
01:47:53 I saw a significant one,
01:47:54 the same one I saw from Thursday night.
01:47:57 But yeah, I see Dallas gets one.
01:48:00 Celtics wrap up here in five.
01:48:01 - Yeah, I'll move it to five, too.
01:48:04 - Yeah, and you know, to see-
01:48:05 - Too late, too late.
01:48:06 - I know, I know, I know, yeah.
01:48:09 You got that one.
01:48:10 Wait, did you say five?
01:48:11 You just said five.
01:48:12 - Me and Jimmy, yeah.
01:48:13 - Did you?
01:48:14 - Jimmy and I did.
01:48:15 - Honestly, I might say four now,
01:48:17 because I don't know.
01:48:19 Why should the Celtics lose,
01:48:20 unless they just decide to take a game off?
01:48:22 They're so much better than the Mavericks.
01:48:25 I think they have more of a killer mentality,
01:48:26 but they swept the Pacers,
01:48:28 so it's certainly not out of the realm of possibilities
01:48:30 that they'll sweep this Mavericks.
01:48:33 - Game three will probably be the best game of the series.
01:48:35 - Yeah, two things I'm looking at, obviously,
01:48:37 are Porzingis' ability to play well
01:48:40 and sustain through the course of a game.
01:48:42 Obviously, Irving being less distracted at home.
01:48:45 This environment clearly got to him here.
01:48:46 So that'll change things a little bit.
01:48:48 - It will, it will.
01:48:49 And Kyrie's certainly hoping on that for sure.
01:48:51 I think he's banking on it, to be honest.
01:48:53 But Chris Stapps, getting back in Dallas,
01:48:55 I think should be interesting as well.
01:48:57 I spoke to him briefly, like I said, in the hallway.
01:48:59 He told me this crowd,
01:49:01 the whole lead up through the tunnel and all that stuff,
01:49:04 the exact same vibes he had in game one.
01:49:05 It was a tremendous boost.
01:49:07 And he's not quite sure what to expect in Dallas.
01:49:09 He did tell me that he has people
01:49:11 he's looking forward to catching up with
01:49:12 that he hasn't seen in a while.
01:49:13 But in terms of the crowd and his reception,
01:49:15 he told me he's not even thinking about that.
01:49:17 He's so in the zone, he's in the moment right now,
01:49:19 NBA finals.
01:49:20 So he says, "Yeah, I'm not even thinking
01:49:22 in terms of what kind of reception I'll get.
01:49:23 I'm just ready to go.
01:49:24 I can't wait to get over there."
01:49:25 - Did you guys notice his first game playing back there?
01:49:28 - Yeah, that's why I wanted to know.
01:49:30 - That's crazy.
01:49:31 - I don't know.
01:49:32 I don't care where the game is.
01:49:34 And I don't care, you know, about Kyrie's feelings.
01:49:38 One team is much better than the other.
01:49:42 This was the last game at TD Garden for the season.
01:49:44 We're closing it up here.
01:49:46 And that is that.
01:49:47 - Take a picture, boys, before you leave.
01:49:51 - This thing is over.
01:49:51 Before we go, Jason Tatum.
01:49:53 - You might prefer one loss on the road, win it here.
01:49:56 - Yeah, you know.
01:49:58 - John's like, "I'm good."
01:50:00 (laughing)
01:50:01 - He's like, "I'll be out there."
01:50:02 - I like it both ways.
01:50:03 It's fine.
01:50:04 But anyway, Tatum, as we said,
01:50:06 kind of an interesting line here
01:50:09 that people are gonna scrutinize tomorrow.
01:50:11 And it's gonna be a topic of conversation
01:50:13 to everybody on the show here.
01:50:15 You know, we all did agree that this was a solid Tatum game
01:50:19 despite the shooting woes.
01:50:20 But here's Tatum talking about
01:50:21 not having to be the man every single night.
01:50:24 - I mean, there's different ways, I guess,
01:50:29 to phrase that.
01:50:30 You know, it's not all about scoring.
01:50:33 You know, I can be the guy, you know,
01:50:37 rebounding and getting assists and drawing attention.
01:50:41 You know, I have the ball.
01:50:42 In certain spots, right, I draw so much attention.
01:50:49 It's not always, I'm not always gonna be the guy
01:50:51 that get the shot.
01:50:52 But, you know, sometimes sacrificing,
01:50:57 being in those spots to make the play,
01:51:00 that we get the best shot possible,
01:51:01 knowing that, you know, what they wanna take away
01:51:03 in their schemes and things like that.
01:51:07 So, you know, being the guy in different ways,
01:51:11 maybe you don't score all the points,
01:51:12 but you do all the things to, you know,
01:51:15 put you guys in the best position to win.
01:51:18 - That's right.
01:51:21 That's what leaders do.
01:51:22 - Oh, man.
01:51:23 That was a,
01:51:24 that was about as boring of a-
01:51:27 - You're muted, John.
01:51:28 - You could get.
01:51:29 - That was a really sleepy way to end the show.
01:51:31 I'm sorry I played that.
01:51:32 - That was really bad, man.
01:51:33 It's the NBA finals and that's the energy, bro.
01:51:37 - Hey, you know what?
01:51:37 That might be good.
01:51:38 People are jacked up after the game.
01:51:39 Sometimes, you know, on a stage like this,
01:51:42 you'll stay up all night after a big win.
01:51:44 That'll get you-
01:51:46 - Yeah, take everybody down.
01:51:47 - Into the sheets and, yeah.
01:51:50 Ready to sleep.
01:51:50 - Yeah, it's fine.
01:51:52 - We gotta find out tomorrow, though.
01:51:53 - That's as good a thing to get us
01:51:56 to say good night as we can.
01:51:57 - The battle, Bobby's yawns.
01:52:00 Damn, yo, Bobby let out the biggest yawns.
01:52:03 - Normally it's Sherrod.
01:52:04 If you guys want more basketball talk,
01:52:06 guys, first to the floor, they're gonna be live
01:52:08 and they're gonna bring you some really good
01:52:10 basketball talk coming up next.
01:52:11 - Yeah, but you hide it.
01:52:11 - So make sure you check those guys out.
01:52:12 - Bobby does not hide it.
01:52:13 He's like a lion out here.
01:52:15 - First to the floor, head over to their channel, guys,
01:52:18 if you wanna check some stuff out.
01:52:19 We'll have some more stuff coming on our channel as well
01:52:22 and throughout the night.
01:52:23 Make sure you subscribe and like.
01:52:25 Jimmy, how many?
01:52:26 How many?
01:52:28 Oh, I did the balloons.
01:52:29 - Oh, don't stop the breathing.
01:52:31 - You know what I love about this one?
01:52:34 This is the rock concert.
01:52:35 - Yeah, the laser light show.
01:52:37 - Two more.
01:52:37 (imitates laser)
01:52:38 - Yeah, I love it.
01:52:40 Two more.
01:52:40 - You gotta do that when they win it all.
01:52:42 Maybe in Dallas, you gotta do that one.
01:52:44 - Yeah, I love it, I love it.
01:52:46 Thank you guys.
01:52:47 Thanks everybody in the chat for hanging out.
01:52:48 - Wow, you guys enjoyed Dallas.
01:52:49 I'll hold it down back here for you, all right?
01:52:52 - Yeah, appreciate it.
01:52:53 - Don't worry about me.
01:52:54 - Thanks, Jimmy.
01:52:54 - When's the last time we're gonna be in TD Garden this season?
01:52:55 You gotta be thinking now, Jon.
01:52:56 - I think it might be.
01:52:58 - Might be.
01:52:59 - Damn.
01:53:00 - Send us a postcard.
01:53:02 - I think they're gonna win it here.
01:53:03 - What a season.
01:53:05 - All right.
01:53:06 - Okay, thank you guys.
01:53:07 - What's up?
01:53:08 - Appreciate you guys.
01:53:08 - Buy a hard hat.
01:53:09 - Thank you for tuning in.
01:53:10 - Buy hard hats, guys.
01:53:11 We will see you guys.
01:53:12 - Merch.
01:53:14 - Yeah, merch it up.
01:53:15 Make sure you check it out.
01:53:16 We'll see you guys after.
01:53:16 - Merch it up.
01:53:17 - How about them damn Celtics?
01:53:18 - Go check out First to the Floor.
01:53:20 - There's a t-shirt.
01:53:21 - Wait, Amit's got an outro for us, I think.
01:53:23 - No, he doesn't.
01:53:24 - You said he was gonna work on an outro.
01:53:26 (upbeat music)
01:53:27 - He had a phenomenal game.
01:53:29 - Phenomenal.
01:53:30 (laughs)
01:53:32 - Poor Firdaus.
01:53:33 - I think it's an option.
01:53:34 (laughs)
01:53:36 - That did not sound like a chair.
01:53:39 - It was a freaking chair.
01:53:41 It does sound like a chair.
01:53:42 (upbeat music)
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