Celtics Can Win Back-to-Back TITLES | Cedric Maxwell Podcast
Cedric Maxwell and Josue Pavon reflect on a long, successful season for the Boston Celtics ending in Banner 18. They discuss their experiences at the parade, what it will take for the Celtics to repeat, break down how the finals unfolded, and much more!
0:00 - Boston Celtics win NBA championship
2:55 - Kyrie Irving congratulating Celtics players
8:30 - Haslam praying for Celtics to lose
10:51 - Potential new players for Celtics
13:27 - Celtics' future championship opportunities
16:53 - Players entering prime years in their 20s
18:59 - Celebrating Coach's impact and success
21:38 - Al Horford's pivotal role in the championship
25:58 - Jaylen Brown's impressive Finals MVP win
29:00 - Defensive schemes and player matchups
31:20 - Reflections on the celebratory parade in Boston
33:46 - Understanding the legacy of championships in Boston
37:45 - Confetti celebration and player reactions
42:13 - Tatum's upcoming challenges and schedule
44:09 - Reflecting on Tatum's growth as a player
45:42 - Discussing the NBA draft and Celtics' options
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0:00 - Boston Celtics win NBA championship
2:55 - Kyrie Irving congratulating Celtics players
8:30 - Haslam praying for Celtics to lose
10:51 - Potential new players for Celtics
13:27 - Celtics' future championship opportunities
16:53 - Players entering prime years in their 20s
18:59 - Celebrating Coach's impact and success
21:38 - Al Horford's pivotal role in the championship
25:58 - Jaylen Brown's impressive Finals MVP win
29:00 - Defensive schemes and player matchups
31:20 - Reflections on the celebratory parade in Boston
33:46 - Understanding the legacy of championships in Boston
37:45 - Confetti celebration and player reactions
42:13 - Tatum's upcoming challenges and schedule
44:09 - Reflecting on Tatum's growth as a player
45:42 - Discussing the NBA draft and Celtics' options
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00:18Well, the celebration continues here on the Cedric Maxwell podcast.
00:22I am Joseph Bobone. He is, of course, Cedric Maxwell.
00:25The Boston Celtics are your NBA champions after beating, man, what an NBA final.
00:31After beating the Dallas Mavericks in game five, man, it turned into a party in that fourth quarter, Max.
00:36I know, I know Jomezula didn't pull the starters until like the two minute mark or whatever the case may be.
00:41But you could you could feel the vibe. The championship was there, man.
00:46It was there for them to celebrate.
00:48What does that have to do with anything?
00:50We can pull the starters. So what? No.
00:53You know, what do they say when you when you're going in trying to put a fire out?
00:57Drown it. Drown it again.
01:01Make sure it's out. Right, right.
01:04I mean, why are you why are you going to take a chance until Kyrie came out of the game?
01:10Until, you know, Luca came out of the game.
01:12Yeah, yeah. OK, I think we're done here now.
01:15I think I think our work is done.
01:17I just remember looking at the clock being like, there's no way they could.
01:20Nah, there's no way. You know, it is one of those things where it happens so fast for me, Max.
01:24You know, the fourth quarter flew by. Next thing you know, it's a two minute mark.
01:27You're like, this thing is done. This thing turned into a party.
01:30And the TD TD guard was rocking, man.
01:32Well, here's the thing I'll ask you.
01:35Was this thing over when Peyton Prichard hit that half court at the half court?
01:39Yes. Yeah, I think so, Max.
01:43Went, but I don't think I've ever heard the garden that loud.
01:47That's the loudest I heard all season long. That's exactly what I told people.
01:50That is the loudest I've heard it all year long.
01:53Ballistic. Yeah.
01:55Ask you a question, because, you know, I'm going to put you be the guy this time.
01:59Kyrie Irving goes at the in the fourth quarter, late in the fourth quarter,
02:03with about three minutes to go.
02:05He starts dapping up the Celtic players.
02:09Congratulations. Did you have a problem with that?
02:12No, I got a problem.
02:14A lot of people did. Really? Why?
02:17I figured, like, I feel like they would respect it.
02:20A lot of people.
02:22I got no problem with that.
02:25All he wants to do is be by himself, you know, show he's like,
02:30you just want to say congratulations.
02:34But if he doesn't do that, Max, if he doesn't do that, he's a he's a sore loser.
02:37Right. He's a man. Kyrie, he couldn't even shake their hands.
02:41Man, you're right. Kyrie had no way to win.
02:44There was no way for Kyrie to win.
02:46Or if he congratulates the Celtics, if he doesn't do this, he doesn't do that.
02:50Then, you know, he was he was shit out of luck, regardless what happened to that.
02:56And so I applaud Kyrie for doing what he did.
03:00I'm just laughing right now when I think about all the pundits.
03:04They said nine out of 12 reporters who weren't ESPN and around.
03:10Thousand six. So they said, Max, most of them.
03:13Ray Dallas, that Stephen A.
03:15Smith, your guy, Dallas, Dallas.
03:18Yeah, man, I saw him actually in Dallas before game three.
03:23And he was like, oh, no way.
03:25Right now I'm picking Dallas tonight because no poor Zingas.
03:29I wouldn't necessarily count.
03:31And boy, Brown showed his ass.
03:33Tatum showed. And the defense.
03:36I mean, this is just the this is just this is a seriously good team.
03:41There are no the marquee names are like Tatum.
03:46Now it might be Brown, but the other guys.
03:49Right. Biggest of the world.
03:51Drew Holliday, you know, Derek White, you know, Pritchard Houser.
03:58This team is only going to get better.
04:01They don't lose any people.
04:03You know, everybody is on the contract.
04:05And Al Horford is going into his glory year.
04:08I'm not sure if Al Horford can't come back and play another year after this.
04:12I will go. I'm out. I go year by year.
04:15You know, just see how my body feels.
04:17You know, if you get to know how you can.
04:19But this team is built to win another championship.
04:23I think several more championships with the personnel they have.
04:27And if, if, if what?
04:30If they stay healthy, this team can win.
04:33This team can this team can repeat.
04:35And for all those Lakers fans out there, people are watching us on this podcast.
04:40I know you want to throw up in the back of your throats right now, but go ahead.
04:45Do it because they were.
04:47There was a that's what killed me about the Lakers fans.
04:50It was anybody except the Celtics.
04:53Right. Right.
04:54I don't care.
04:55I don't care what the church league school they came.
04:58They don't win.
05:01Yeah.
05:02And that that carried over to the national media.
05:04Max, all those guys at ESPN, including Stephen A.
05:07Smith, people who predicted the Dallas Mavericks.
05:09I'm like, have you not been watching how deep this team has been?
05:12Even without Chris Dasporzingas,
05:13you can't see the kind of problems that this team provides, you know,
05:17against the Dallas Mavericks with their depth.
05:19Like these guys ain't ready, man.
05:21They just weren't ready.
05:22And I'm not saying that the Dallas Mavericks didn't deserve to be on that stage
05:26to to play against the Celtics in the NBA finals.
05:28No, they absolutely did.
05:29They they went through some grueling series against the, you know,
05:32the Western Conference and Minnesota Timberwolves and all that.
05:35But when it came down to it, this was a better team.
05:38And I think that's what now everyone understands the depth of the Celtics team.
05:42Al Horford starting that entire NBA finals.
05:45He was he was a killer, man.
05:47And it wasn't just about the three-point shot.
05:49It was the defense.
05:50It was like you said, Derrick White defending in the backcourt.
05:53You know, Drew Holliday showing his veteran leadership.
05:57You know, it was so many guys that it got to the point where midway through the
06:01series, regardless of what Dallas was doing,
06:03regardless of how well Luka was playing, you know, offensively, I should say.
06:08You were like, how are the Dallas Mavericks going to match
06:11this offensive production against the Celtics?
06:13And then that's how I felt going into game four.
06:15That's how I felt going into game five.
06:17You know, yeah, the Dallas Mavericks were able to keep their series going
06:20and didn't get swept.
06:21But going back to Boston with this crowd, with the 6-1-7,
06:24with the history and everything.
06:26And then again, the depth.
06:27I'm like, the Dallas Mavericks are not going to be able to survive that
06:30environment.
06:31And you knew that.
06:32You knew that right at halftime.
06:33Like you said, Pritchard knocking down at the half-court shot.
06:36All of a sudden, it's a 21-point game.
06:38And the place is rocking.
06:40The Dallas Mavericks are backs against the wall.
06:42You just knew there was no way they're going to be able to survive that.
06:45Their margin for error wasn't good because you had guys like Jones who
06:51couldn't throw it in the ocean in this series.
06:54P.J. was…
06:57Washington, yeah.
06:59He did not play like he played against when he played against Minnesota.
07:04And everybody else on that bench was just marginal.
07:08There was nobody to look at.
07:10Lively and…
07:13What was their other center?
07:15Never really got involved in the game.
07:18They weren't that good.
07:20And then there was…
07:22Lively, Powell.
07:23You had Exum.
07:25Exum had a couple of threes or whatever.
07:27Exum was probably the best one consistently coming off the bench.
07:32And so Gafford was another guy.
07:34Oh, my God.
07:35Gafford's going to kill you guys.
07:36That's the other bit, yeah.
07:39Well, that didn't happen.
07:40That's almost a gimmicky play.
07:43You get it a few times, but you don't get against the Suffolks because
07:47that big poor Zingas is in there with his limp.
07:50And the defensive principles that the Suffolks had in this series,
07:56that was the key to it.
07:59I mean, them haters can hate all they want to,
08:01but these guys have won them a championship.
08:04I talked to Tatum.
08:05I talked to Brown.
08:07I couldn't be happier for guys.
08:09The narrative, really, I thought it was funny.
08:12Oh, my God.
08:13People were wishing that the Suffolks lost Game 5.
08:17Oh, my God.
08:19They lose Game 5.
08:20This series goes back to Dallas, and now it's going to be a seventh game.
08:24Let them play the freaking game first.
08:27Oh, my God.
08:30Well, it never got to that.
08:35Right.
08:36I just remember, again, all the guys from Haslam,
08:42all the people that I know.
08:44Oh, Haslam was begging for an L, man.
08:46He was praying for the Suffolks to lose that Game 5, man.
08:49He just wanted them to lose that Game 5, to be honest with you.
08:53He knew deep down they were going to win the series, but he was like,
08:55please don't let them win here.
08:576-1-7 on their day, all that stuff.
08:59You know, you can just tell.
09:01Yeah.
09:03It was crazy for them to even think that way.
09:07What did he say?
09:08He said something to you?
09:09What do you mean?
09:10I went back to the green room.
09:12He said, you know I'm not with you.
09:15I said, boss, I'm sure you aren't being, you know, with the heat.
09:19But guess what?
09:21The Suffolks are coming down and partying in your city after they win the
09:24championship.
09:25That's right.
09:27How do you feel about that?
09:29I love it.
09:30People are like, why Miami?
09:31I was like, why not?
09:32What do you mean, why Miami?
09:34Have you been to Miami?
09:35That's what I was telling people.
09:36You know, my friends and people close to me were like hitting me up like,
09:39but why are they going to Miami for a few days?
09:41You know, the parade's on Friday.
09:42I'm like, why not?
09:43You got three days to kill.
09:45Why the F not?
09:46Like, what are you saying?
09:47Stay here in Boston and do what?
09:49Party where?
09:50Right.
09:51Go to Encore for a couple days or whatever.
09:53Like, you know the party's going to be lit on Friday for the parade and all
09:56that.
09:57Like, they'll come right back.
09:58I didn't mind them doing that.
10:00It's just, I was just, I was just being like, who okayed that?
10:04Who thought that that was going to be a good idea?
10:07Whose idea was to, I want to know, was it like a group decision or what?
10:10I didn't see anything good that could happen by having a bunch of young men
10:16who had just won the championship.
10:17Go to Miami, alcohol, women.
10:20Right, right.
10:21I'm just happy there's no footage, Max.
10:23You know, because if someone caught him on TMZ or whatever,
10:26if someone caught him in general, it would have been on TMZ and all that.
10:29So the fact that they kept it in house, they kept it a hundred on that one.
10:32Because you could tell, man,
10:33they made sure there was no outsiders going to put them on blast, man.
10:36I'm sure they had a good time.
10:37Whatever they did, whatever they did out there,
10:39it's going to stay between them.
10:40I like that.
10:41They had an excellent time.
10:43And you know, the next measure of business isn't like, okay,
10:49you know that Tatum is going to be signed.
10:52He's going to sign the extension.
10:54Then after that, you know that Derek White's going to sign the extension.
10:58So your top seven, eight players are in play,
11:03are going to be with you.
11:05Now, are you going to get somebody who wants to come over and win the championship?
11:10That's what's going to be.
11:12That's what happens.
11:13Who wants to come over and what veteran player, you know,
11:18wants to come over and, you know, win the championship.
11:21You know, Blake Griffin, he's not playing anymore, but you know, guys like that.
11:25Something like that.
11:26Yeah.
11:27Coming to Boston who feels like they can come in,
11:30they can make a small contribution, but be there with these,
11:35these young horses, man.
11:37I mean, these are young horses that are saying, look, you want to get on with me?
11:42You don't bore.
11:43You know, I'm going to take you on and get a ring.
11:45I mean, I still can remember me talking to Tatum after,
11:49after they won and got ready to go to the finals.
11:52And he peered in on me and said, yo, man, I'm going to win you a ring.
11:57And I remember saying to him, dude, win one for yourself.
12:01I already got two.
12:05That's right.
12:06That's right.
12:07But now he, now he got, now he got one coming his way, man.
12:10Good for a good potato, man.
12:11So proud of these guys.
12:12But they're in a position right now, which I love.
12:15I absolutely love this position.
12:17They're in understanding who they're going to be, what they can do.
12:22Being able to be aggressive.
12:24The pressure bubble is now burst for Tatum, for Brown.
12:31And Michael Felder, your guy here, who was a big radio personality,
12:37or whatever he might be talking about.
12:40That's what he is.
12:41Yeah.
12:42First, he always wants to be controversial with this thing.
12:46Well, who was the best player in the series for the Celtics?
12:52Was Tatum better than Brown or Brown better?
12:54I said, it doesn't matter.
12:56I think Brown won it.
12:57I think that was a fair jest that he won, that he was able to get that.
13:02Yeah, I agree with that.
13:03And he went on to say, well, you know, there's still meat on the bones
13:07for the Celtics.
13:09And said, he talked about Jason Tatum possibly winning the MVP in the finals.
13:13And Brown being an all-star.
13:16Then he comes back.
13:17His next question after that is, so what did the Celtics,
13:20what did they have to prove?
13:21I said, that's exactly it.
13:23I said, exactly what you said.
13:25There's meat still left on the bone for the Boston Celtics.
13:28Because Tatum can come back and be a finals MVP.
13:31And Brown can become an all-star.
13:34So if you think about those things, this team is,
13:38I just think this team can be really, it can be special.
13:41And they got an opportunity to win again this year.
13:43You know, barring injury, barring injury, this team.
13:49And I think they're so well coached.
13:51And I think the coach gets it when it comes to resting his players.
13:57Al Horford not playing on the second night of a back-to-back.
14:00Right, that was huge, Max.
14:02They stuck with that principle.
14:04That did help them.
14:05Because now Al has some gas at the end of the season.
14:09You know, Christoph was in this obviously hurt,
14:12but how does he come back?
14:14You know, they said his injury was only,
14:16I think 1% of the people in the world have ever had the injury he's had.
14:20Why is he so lucky?
14:22But, you know, hopefully he comes back well and healthy.
14:25And, you know, it's just, it will be,
14:28the process will be a much easier process if you think of it,
14:31you know, being that way.
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16:28And you look at the timeline,
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16:32It all made sense.
16:33I mean, we knew that going into the season,
16:35but to see it now as the champions of the NBA,
16:39when you look ahead to what the payroll looks like
16:43and everyone's salaries and everyone's contracts,
16:45and you're like, man, this thing,
16:47they could win two more.
16:49You know?
16:50The window is there for them.
16:51All these guys, the majority of them,
16:53the guys you just mentioned,
16:54are entering their prime
16:55or just started their prime years in their 20s still.
16:59Chris Statham, I know, is close to 30,
17:00but he's got plenty left
17:02if, of course, when he's able to respond,
17:05you know, from the injury,
17:06when he's going to be able to bounce back.
17:07But I'm not too worried about it.
17:09Chris Statham is 28, just wait.
17:12I know he don't look that,
17:13I know he don't look to be 28,
17:15but he's 28.
17:16Right.
17:17The Browns are just going to cross,
17:19Brown and Tatum are just, you know,
17:22crossing that 25 barrier.
17:24Only guy he had right now,
17:25Drew Holiday,
17:26and Drew Holiday stays in tremendous shape.
17:29Had a great season.
17:30Derek White is the odd man that you have to sign.
17:34Yeah, you have to.
17:35That's a must.
17:36This summer, if you can.
17:37Yeah, they're not going to let him,
17:39you know, he has one more year on his contract.
17:41They're going to make sure they get him an extension
17:43and, you know, bump his salary up.
17:45So this team is collectively as a unit.
17:49You know, the one I want him to go out
17:51and extend his contract would be Joe Mazzullo.
17:53Let's give Joe some of that loot, man.
17:55Let's give Joe his flowers.
18:00For real, he's earned it, man.
18:02Joe Mazzullo has, you know, went to,
18:05he would have been close to going to a finals last year,
18:08you know, when Tatum hurt his ankle,
18:11you know, twist his ankle against Miami.
18:13You know, I think that was freakish,
18:15but he coached well enough for them to get there.
18:18And this year to come back and win the championship.
18:21The man's had two years, two successful years.
18:24And I can only see it actually getting better.
18:28And as much as he is a odd bird,
18:31a crazy kind of, you know, by himself, religion.
18:35Yeah, he's an odd duck.
18:36He's an odd duck.
18:37Yeah.
18:40He took the trophy over into the north end.
18:45North end.
18:46Yeah.
18:47Walking around with the trophy.
18:49And it was just this dude, he's different.
18:53He's different.
18:54Yeah, he's different.
18:55He's different in a way that his players love Joe Mazzullo.
18:59They relate to him well.
19:01And the fact that he's not that much older than these guys,
19:04I think that's the biggest thing.
19:06Joe Mazzullo is 35 now, 33, 35.
19:09Some place in the area.
19:11Al Horford is older than the damn coach.
19:14Yeah, he's older than Joe.
19:15Yeah, that's true.
19:16So, yeah,
19:17there's some really beautiful things about this team right now that are set
19:21up well.
19:22And all them haters over there, man,
19:23can hate all they want to, but mm-mm.
19:26I think this team is, you know, they, again,
19:32they kicked the door down.
19:35And that was the most important.
19:36They kicked the door down.
19:37And that had to be huge when it came to Tatum and Brown.
19:41That's why, man, I was so happy they won in game five.
19:44The last thing I wanted to do was go back to Dallas.
19:47Oh, man, I wasn't trying to do that either, Max.
19:49I was good with that, man.
19:51Get all that noise from the Dallas fans.
19:53And, oh, my God, the media would have crushed them.
19:58They would have crushed them if they hadn't played one more game.
20:01But then the way they won it, you know, there's a, I think you know,
20:05obviously you saw the point where Michael Weirborn was talking and he's
20:09doing a live thing back to back.
20:11Oh, yeah, that shit was funny.
20:12Run behind him.
20:14I'm like, you know, you know what I did?
20:16I said, you know what I hit him with?
20:18How about them damn Celtics?
20:21You know, this is the funny thing.
20:24Oh, just hold on for a second.
20:26Grab this.
20:27He's like, we live, Max.
20:28What are we doing?
20:29Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:30We live. We live.
20:31We live. We live.
20:32I got it.
20:33But I love the fact that we had our we had this going on the other day
20:38because, you know, we and we've had people call in for this.
20:41Hold them up, baby.
20:42That's it.
20:43That's this.
20:44That's the shirt right there.
20:45How about them damn Celtics?
20:47We can say what we want to say.
20:49But we got to send one to Wilburn.
20:51Send him one of those shirts.
20:53I think that Michael Belger had one on.
20:56Well, yeah, that was that was great.
20:58I was on that night with Michael Wilburn and Michael Holley.
21:02And, you know, and he had to put one on.
21:05But he was they were so Belger was so adamant, man.
21:10Just yeah.
21:11And people say they were lucky that this person injured.
21:16They the Celtics played who was in front of them.
21:19Do they?
21:20How much do they talk about Kristoff being hurt?
21:23Everybody just forgets about it.
21:26Kristoff was one of your best players this year.
21:29He goes down injury and you essentially win it almost without him.
21:35Man, I can't say enough about Al Horford.
21:37I'm so happy he's a champion, man.
21:3838 years old.
21:39Al Horford just anchored that defense, anchored the culture.
21:43Ask guys like Jalen and Jason Tatum.
21:45And it was just a special moment.
21:47But, yeah, I can't say enough about about Horford, you know,
21:51and spelling the rumors about him retiring, man.
21:53He's trying to run this thing back.
21:55He got mad.
21:56His wife put up a video of him from the on the on the parade route on the
21:59duck boat being like, man, we're going for back to back here.
22:02Let's go.
22:03It's on the twenty twenty five now.
22:04And, you know, I'm so happy that he was starting that entire NBA
22:09finals.
22:10Even when Porzingis was back for game one, I said, man, let Al start.
22:13Let him get that, you know, honor.
22:15And then, of course, to carry it over throughout the entire series.
22:18I loved it, man.
22:19It was it was incredible.
22:20You know, even Ann Horford put out a tweet being like, man,
22:23this guy doesn't want to stop playing until his body says no.
22:26You know, he hasn't reached that.
22:27He's nowhere near that point.
22:29You know, he's still one of the best centers and one of the best bigs in the
22:31NBA.
22:32David Max, when I think about it, I'm like, you still top ten.
22:35Like, it's incredible.
22:36Like, how can you how can you say he's not when you look at the body of work
22:40and you look at what he just did throughout this entire postseason?
22:43Man, you think one of the biggest plays over the last couple of years we've
22:47seen was when he dunked on Giannis.
22:50No.
22:51Yeah.
22:52Yeah.
22:53Twenty twenty two.
22:54That that nod he gave him.
22:55He said, OK, when he scored early.
22:57All right.
22:58I got you.
22:59Yes.
23:00I mean, dunked on him, gave him an elbow.
23:03And it's not just John.
23:05I was like, wow.
23:06But I was so happy for him with the ability to serve.
23:11He did.
23:12But this is Boston's other team.
23:14They're going to they're going to be tough to be.
23:18Only only way I think that the landscape changes and moves a little bit.
23:23That's if.
23:25And I don't know if he's going to do it or not, but the free agency is coming
23:30up.
23:31So we'll see.
23:32Does Paul George come to the Sixers?
23:35Mm hmm.
23:36What?
23:37That's what it would be to want to look like he was.
23:39He was campaigning on the live television.
23:42Joplin B was Joplin B was just hating all over the place.
23:46You know, Portland.
23:48Portland gave Portland gave the Celtics a championship.
23:52Oh, well, I mean, Milwaukee had drew holiday on the contract.
23:57Right.
23:58Blame Milwaukee, my guy.
24:00He didn't have to do that.
24:02They decided to go elsewhere.
24:04What do you want me to do?
24:05What?
24:06Oh, how salty can you be, though?
24:08Like, really?
24:09You're going to bring that up.
24:10You're going to go all the way back to last summer.
24:12Like, that's what that's what things went wrong for you.
24:14If there is one thing about this championship that puts a damper in my
24:21heart, that'd be the fact that Marcus Smart didn't win.
24:24Yeah, man.
24:26Who was arguably the heart and soul of what this team was.
24:30For years.
24:32Not to get that credit, not to be on that big stage.
24:38And I understand the trade works.
24:40I'm not.
24:41Look, don't get on me.
24:42So, oh, it was a trade.
24:44Well, yeah.
24:45And obviously, Drew was a tremendous fit.
24:48But I'm just talking human nature of a guy who busts his ass,
24:53played through injuries, played with all the adversity,
24:56all the people who hated on him, and then to be kicked away,
25:00and then the Suffolks to win the championship once he leaves.
25:03That has to be tough on him as a player.
25:07Yeah, no, no doubt, man.
25:09He actually got his old look back.
25:11I don't know if you've seen him.
25:12He recently did an event, a charity event.
25:15He's got his hair kind of like mine, in a sense,
25:18or maybe a little shorter.
25:19But remember before he grew his hair out?
25:21Yeah, he's back to the short hair look.
25:23And I'm looking forward to see how he bounces back on the court, man.
25:27Hopefully he can get out there soon.
25:28But I'm with you, Max.
25:29He's certainly on people's minds, for sure.
25:31Suffolks Nation, I saw a lot of tweets out there talking about Marcus,
25:34you know, shouting him out.
25:36And rightfully so, man.
25:37He gave his heart and soul to this team for nine years.
25:39Like you said, though, it was part of the sacrifice
25:42into putting this team together.
25:43And, yeah, you can't help but think about him for sure.
25:47But one of the things I want to definitely talk about
25:51for a few minutes here, I know you touched on it earlier,
25:53but Jalen Brown winning the finals MVP,
25:55I can't say enough about how happy I am for Jalen.
25:58Signing the richest contract in NBA history,
26:01you know, what goes into that and the pressure and all that.
26:03And he passed every test with flying colors, if you ask me.
26:07Just gave everything he had this season,
26:09made a commitment to the defensive end of the floor
26:11from the very beginning,
26:12and it really showed throughout the postseason.
26:15You know, he was not afraid to take on
26:17the opposing team's best player.
26:19He showed out, you know, he put forth the effort
26:22that I thought really just resonated
26:24with the rest of the team.
26:25And at the end, he's not only a champion,
26:27but a finals MVP, won the MVP
26:29after winning the Eastern Conference Finals.
26:30And to me, it was about what he did
26:32on the defensive end of the floor
26:33and the efficiency on offense.
26:35You know, 44% shooting from the floor,
26:38just really giving it to the Dallas Mavericks
26:40on both ends of the floor.
26:42And I thought it was well-deserved.
26:43And I'm glad it wasn't as close
26:45as some people would have thought, you know,
26:47given the fact that, yeah, Tatum averaged more points,
26:49you know, may have averaged more rebounds.
26:52But at the end of the day, I thought it really,
26:54Jalen got my vote, if you ask me,
26:56because of, again, the defense, the efficiency,
26:59and just the consistency we saw
27:01throughout the entire series from Jalen.
27:03Yeah, he did.
27:04I mean, there's no doubt.
27:06I walked up to him at the little ceremony
27:09they had the other day before they got the dug votes,
27:12and I said, welcome to the club, finals MVP.
27:15Finals MVP club, that's right.
27:17And I laughed, and I said, man, what was your mom?
27:20I said, your mom was crying.
27:22He said, man, my mom was done.
27:24She said she just went back to the room.
27:26She was done after this was, when she cried,
27:29she had nothing else.
27:31She had emptied the tank.
27:34And you did say that.
27:36But, you know, does Joel Embiid want to get mad right now
27:39at the writers who didn't give Jalen Brown an NBA 9?
27:45For real.
27:46Looks like they poured fuel on the fire for him to say,
27:49look, you know, I see all these guys
27:51who aren't as good as me,
27:53and they're getting these accolades.
27:55He said, I'm going to show you.
27:57And he proved his point.
27:59On top of that, to guard Luca.
28:01You know, Luca scored his points, but he worked.
28:05Luca had to work.
28:06A lot of times, Brown would just harass him,
28:08make steals up on him,
28:10and Luca's legs at the end of the day were just,
28:13he didn't have it.
28:14He didn't have it.
28:15The thing that Luca's going to have to do is
28:17he's going to have to be disciplined about one thing,
28:20and that's getting his body in tip.
28:24Luca needs to lose 20 pounds.
28:28He's strong, but lose 20 pounds,
28:31and then maybe put that in muscle on his body
28:35and dedicate that for one year,
28:37and you'll see him being a lot stronger at the end.
28:40He didn't have a lot at the end when it came to,
28:43you know, as much as he scored the ball,
28:45he wasn't as efficient.
28:47He was exhausted, Max.
28:48They made him work.
28:49They made him play the defense.
28:51Yeah, I think that's because of Brown.
28:53Brown made him work, made him work, made him work,
28:57and then where, you know,
28:59when you were talking about Minnesota,
29:01you remember the play everybody talks about right now
29:04was when Luca got that switch.
29:07On Gobert, yeah.
29:08On Gobert, and Gobert was running around like a,
29:11you know, in Dominican land, you know,
29:14where you do a chicken and kill him.
29:16Chicken just kind of running around.
29:18With no head, yeah.
29:19Yeah, he had Gobert running around like that.
29:22Well, the Celtics, on the other hand,
29:25when they made a switch, they set a pick,
29:30and then you had Derek White on it.
29:32You set a pick, you switch,
29:35and then you had Drew Holiday on it.
29:37You switch, and you had Tatum.
29:39Or even Al.
29:40Al got a couple stops in, yeah.
29:42Al had some stops,
29:43so the Celtics' defensive scheme was a lot better.
29:46I think the biggest narrative that I saw
29:48that was in this that was a mistake
29:51was by the writers.
29:52The writers, and you know, boy,
29:55they just, they made Luca and Kyrie
30:00the best duo ever to play the game in the backcourt.
30:05And defensively,
30:08maybe the best duo to defend teams in a long time
30:12might have been Holiday and White.
30:14So you add that to that,
30:17and I think that Brown actually,
30:20and Tatum, because Luca was,
30:22defensively, Luca was not good.
30:26No, he was put on blast.
30:28I think that's a big part of this for sure.
30:30They said he got blown by 60% of the time.
30:3560% just went,
30:37that's damn near like a maitre d' saying,
30:40hey, this way to your table, sir.
30:42This way.
30:43And it puts pressure on everybody.
30:46So I don't know.
30:49I think for them to get back in the mix,
30:54it's going to be tough.
30:56It's going to be tough.
30:57Right.
30:58I mean, it was hard for them to get there this year.
31:00So you can imagine teams are going to come better,
31:03better equipped this time around.
31:04The Denver Nuggets, you got the Minnesota Timberwolves.
31:07I mean, there's hurdles out West for sure,
31:09for the Dallas Mavericks.
31:10But when you swing over to the East though,
31:12you don't see those same type of challenges for the Celtics.
31:16You know, you really don't.
31:17So seeing them back in the NBA finals next year
31:19is a very realistic possibility for sure.
31:22But Max, take me through game, after game five, man,
31:24because I saw you, which is a rare sight, I should say,
31:27for everyone.
31:28Without a blazer, you had the white button up.
31:31You were walking away from the locker room like, man,
31:33you was done by the time I saw you.
31:35But I want to know what you saw throughout that.
31:38I want to say maybe an hour after the final buzzer,
31:40just a celebration and all that.
31:42What was the locker room like, man?
31:43I was down the hall for most of it.
31:45Well, I went into the locker room,
31:47and I had my suit on, as you know,
31:49Normie, splendor attire.
31:51Of course.
31:53And they're like this.
31:55Champagne fly.
31:57Yo, man, do you know what my suit costs?
32:00You know, this Italian whatever.
32:03They try to give you a pair of goggles.
32:05You're like, nah, damn the goggles.
32:07I need to protect all of this.
32:08I don't need that.
32:09So I just took my jacket off.
32:11And my pants and all that stuff got wet.
32:15But it was just a celebration.
32:17They were smoking cigars in there,
32:21and they had the beer flowing.
32:24Here's the thing I'll ask you.
32:26For the parade.
32:29At the parade, they said they didn't want people
32:33who were out in the crowd.
32:37They didn't want public drinking, right?
32:40Right.
32:41Isn't that what they said?
32:43What?
32:44Didn't they say that?
32:45Oh, yeah.
32:46They said that for sure, yeah.
32:47But that's not what I saw.
32:49I saw plenty of that.
32:50But here's the thing I'll ask you.
32:53How can you ask them to not drink,
32:55and everybody on the duck boat is there.
32:59Passing beers and whatnot.
33:00Michelobes.
33:01Yeah, yeah.
33:04Balls of tequila, you know, chugging it down.
33:08I mean, so that was the biggest oxymoron to me,
33:12the fact that you said, hey, we're not
33:14going to let the public drink.
33:16But, you know, we got beer and wine and liquor
33:19flowing on this boat for the next two hours.
33:21That's what we got.
33:22And there's a million people, but, man, it was just a.
33:26The thing I will say, too, is really cool about Boston.
33:30They've been there and done that.
33:32So unlike the mishap in Kansas City or some
33:37of these other places where people have died
33:39and really got injured, Boston, I did not
33:42hear anything about, you know, people
33:44getting hurt at the parade.
33:46They've had enough parades where they understand
33:49how to act, whereas some of these cities,
33:52maybe they're just not used to it.
33:54But Boston is because of the legacy of championships
33:57which have come through here.
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35:18And we're talking about over a million people that showed out,
35:20man.
35:21It was a heck of a celebration, man.
35:22All positive vibes.
35:23You know, everyone just sort of embracing the moment, man.
35:26Like, yeah.
35:27Yeah, for sure, man.
35:28That's a great point.
35:29And for me, it was my first Celtics parade.
35:31You know, I'm almost ashamed to say that because I've
35:33been to the Patriots.
35:34I've been to the Red Sox, but I didn't get the chance
35:35to go in 08.
35:36So this was super cool for me, man,
35:38taking it in with my friends and not being on the clock
35:41was kind of cool as well.
35:43I did try to catch up with you, but it was so hard to get to
35:45where you were at because I'm on the other side, right?
35:47So by the time I crossed over, everything had kind of
35:49died down or whatever.
35:50But there was still plenty of people celebrating out
35:52in the streets, man.
35:53It was special for sure.
35:54And look, Game 5 that night, man, it flew by.
35:58Like, it was so surreal just to see all the confetti
36:01and everyone celebrating.
36:02All the fans didn't want to leave.
36:04You know, we did our post-game show.
36:06By the time we wrapped up, we did like a late,
36:08we did a post-game, post-game show, late show.
36:10It was about 3 a.m.
36:11Max, 3, 3.30, and there was still plenty of people,
36:14plenty of reporters around getting work done,
36:16but also kind of celebrating, man, because it was
36:18that type of night.
36:20And my favorite moment, though, my favorite moment
36:22of the night, Max, was when Jalen Brown and his friends
36:25came down to the court because someone brought
36:28a basketball out.
36:29Man, we had media players playing.
36:32We had Zarin.
36:33Mike Zarin came back.
36:35He got into, I think it was like a game of 21
36:37these dudes were playing in.
36:38So Jalen heard the ball bouncing.
36:40He came out with his boys and the trophy, and he said,
36:42man, what a beautiful sight, man.
36:44And I'm looking at Jalen like, you know, you do know
36:46we do love this sport too, right, Jalen?
36:48This isn't just our job, right?
36:49Like, we just saw what you did.
36:51We just saw you guys win a championship here, man.
36:54Of course some reporters want to, someone bring
36:55a basketball out.
36:56We're going to get some shots up, man.
36:57We're going to embrace the moment with confetti
36:59on the ground and all that.
37:00It was like a movie, Max.
37:02It was so surreal.
37:03It was like I was dreaming, for sure, man.
37:05Here's the thing that I didn't understand, which I thought
37:07was so cool, and I didn't see it.
37:11Where did they come up with these, with the confetti guns?
37:15Did they just push them in all of a sudden?
37:17Because I didn't, I never, where I-
37:19I'd never seen them before, yeah.
37:21What I said, essentially, is where they rolled them in.
37:24But I never noticed the guns at all until when,
37:28when Eddie said, Suffolk's win, and then all of a sudden
37:32this confetti from four different, these things-
37:35From the corners, right?
37:36I just, the way they were shooting now, it was nonstop.
37:39It was from the corners, and it was such a beautiful
37:44scene of green.
37:46Being in a situation, and to see that, it was, it was,
37:51it was unreal.
37:52But the NBA playing stuff like that.
37:54People say, what is that?
37:55No, what they do, they rehearse it.
37:57They rehearse it, because that's what we did when we rehearsed,
38:01you know, the ceremony that we had in Indiana.
38:05Right.
38:06Had to get the trophy out.
38:08So they rehearsed those points for the Celtics.
38:10They couldn't rehearse it for the Mavericks,
38:12because the Mavericks couldn't win.
38:13Not that night.
38:15So it was a really cool moment to see how everything
38:19kind of went down.
38:21Absolutely, man.
38:22The celebration continues here in the city, man.
38:24You can just feel it.
38:25Everyone rocking their Celtics gear.
38:27You got the ghost Celtics.
38:29You got the murals.
38:30You got it.
38:31The entire city just painted green and white, man.
38:33Everyone celebrates.
38:34It's a beautiful sight.
38:35And it's, it's, it's crazy to think it's been sick.
38:38There it is.
38:39Yes, sir.
38:40How about them damn Celtics?
38:41It's crazy to think it's been 16 years, man.
38:43But you can tell.
38:44You can tell the merch is everywhere.
38:47If you want one, you know, holler at us, man.
38:50Hit us up.
38:51We've had people holler at us.
38:53I think I got Nick Jolso, you know,
38:56our Grand Poupon of this podcast.
39:00Grand Poupon, I like that.
39:02He said the merch, he said the merch is so out.
39:06He said these, how about these damn Celtics?
39:08I was walking and several people came through and they had their shirts on.
39:12How about them damn Celtics?
39:14So it was just, it was, it was hot, man.
39:18It was, it was, it was really cool to, to be there, to see the players and,
39:22and be with the fans.
39:24The fans were so happy and the players, I mean,
39:28Tatum's reaction at the end wasn't kind of like,
39:32like Kevin Garnett because Kevin Garnett was told kind of what to say.
39:36Everything's possible.
39:38Yeah, but he, he, he, he butchered it.
39:40Remember, I think Adidas wanted him to say impossible is nothing.
39:43And he said, anything's possible.
39:44That was the Adidas slogan.
39:47The guy said, okay, Kevin, you got it.
39:50You got it.
39:51You got it.
39:52Impossible is nothing.
39:53And Kevin, Kevin Garnett goes, anything's possible.
39:58And the ref was like, oh God.
40:07You know, cause you know, his boss is calling him up.
40:09Like, yo, you had one job, man.
40:11You had one job.
40:12You had to make sure KG killed his line.
40:14But that line lives in, that's in Celtics history, man.
40:19For sure.
40:21See Tatum though, Tatum was, was just so generic.
40:25The way he said it was like, you know, we did it.
40:28We did it.
40:30We did it.
40:31It was just like, it just hit him.
40:33Oh, that's the only thing that seemed like just came out of his mouth.
40:36We did it.
40:37We did it.
40:38And the coolest moment of the night to me would have been when Jalen got the
40:43MVP, but the first person he acknowledged was Brown.
40:49Was Tatum.
40:50It was Tatum.
40:51Yep.
40:52Couldn't do this without my partner in crime.
40:55Partner in crime.
40:56Love it.
40:57And to me, that was like the biggest moment.
40:59I loved, I got a chance to talk to Ms.
41:03Wharper, Al's wife.
41:05And I said, and I saw that Al didn't go down to Miami.
41:10I said, did you veto that?
41:13She said, you don't need Miami, man.
41:15You're good with that.
41:16And you're good.
41:17Al got five kids at home.
41:19The last thing he needed to do is go talk about being in, as a matter of fact,
41:24Al was at, he was doing the, an appearance.
41:29Yeah.
41:30Yeah.
41:31He did.
41:32Cane's chicken.
41:33Yeah.
41:34Good spot, by the way.
41:35Good spot.
41:36Raising canes.
41:37It's right in Copley.
41:38Yeah.
41:39Yeah.
41:40He did.
41:41He did.
41:42He did an appearance there.
41:43So, I mean, it was, this day is, for them to win it is so cool.
41:50Now, the next thing that happens is, can you, the question starts already.
41:56Can you win again?
41:57And for me, the summertime starts to wind down for me once I get to July the 4th.
42:09July the 4th was right around the corner.
42:13Yeah, man.
42:14It's coming up.
42:15This is the key though.
42:18How is Tatum going to react this year?
42:21Because he's on the Olympic team.
42:23When does he have a chance to rest?
42:26His girlfriend is about to have a baby.
42:29He is going to be, he is going to be pull that, tuck that, everything right now.
42:35How does he exhale a chance to do that without everybody with Dattaboy and all that, LeBron?
42:44Right.
42:45And before you know it, he's going to sign that, he's going to sign for that new bag he got.
42:50New bag and then you're going to be right back in the middle of the season.
42:54So, it's going to be that narrative.
42:57And then what I hear is the Celtics are possibly going to Dubai.
43:02So, if they go to Dubai, you know, for an exhibition.
43:07For the preseason game.
43:08Yeah, yeah, that's right.
43:09Yeah, yeah.
43:10So, man, your schedule is already full.
43:16And, you know, he loves making appearances and doing commercials and all that.
43:21How will he manage all this summer?
43:24How will he manage this stuff?
43:26The superstar status, man, for sure.
43:29He's got a championship ring coming.
43:31He's got the status as a Celtics champ.
43:34And plenty of opportunities to add to that, man, for sure.
43:39But, yeah, man, it's a good point.
43:41I just love the way he's matured as a player.
43:45You know, his approach has shown that.
43:47You know, he didn't go into this being like, I got to win the finals MVP or I got to put up these 30 points a game so I can shut up these critics.
43:54No, he kept his focus.
43:55He knew what was best for this team.
43:57And that's a testament to who he is as a player for sure, man.
44:00The highs and lows, what he went through a couple of years ago.
44:04I mean, all that is what turned him into who he is today.
44:08And I'm super proud of him, man.
44:09He's the NBA champion for sure.
44:11Absolutely.
44:13I can remember the seat when they lost in Miami of going into the locker room and him having his head buried and his ankle was, you know, in a bucket of a tub of ice.
44:29And you could just see the agony, the pain that he and it was able to come out of it.
44:37And the testament of who he is as a person, this organization and all the Laker haters.
44:45My goodness.
44:46This is.
44:47Enjoy it.
44:48And when I was on when I was on TMZ, you know, it was I loved every moment.
44:56I was sitting on my floor doing a podcast with TMZ and just talking about the Celtics and, you know, all the hatred that I had from, you know, Michael Cooper.
45:08No, man.
45:10I forgot about who he's been quiet.
45:12They're awfully quiet.
45:13These last couple of weeks.
45:14You hear that from them brothers no more, man.
45:16I gotta go.
45:17I gotta go.
45:18You know what?
45:19I gotta get up with Nick to go on Coop's podcast.
45:23You should.
45:24Yeah, man.
45:25I'm breaking something.
45:26I haven't seen an episode.
45:27I get James worthy on that podcast with me because, you know, when we were losing them haters, they all up.
45:34But when you win, the haters disappear.
45:37So ain't that the truth?
45:39Yeah.
45:40Let me get you out on this, man.
45:41NBA drafts coming up, believe it or not.
45:44The Boston Celtics had the 30th overall pick.
45:47Do you just want to see Boston go out there and just draft Ronnie James?
45:51You know, if he's still on the board, like, do you do that?
45:53Just to sort of be like, oh, oh, hey, Lakers, you want to you want Ronnie?
45:57Well, how bad do you want him?
45:58Who are you?
45:59Who are you willing to give up for this dude right here?
46:01Like as a as a as a as a look, we're going to do whatever it takes to get more assets because we're not done.
46:11So let's see how badly you want.
46:12I want Ronnie James.
46:13Here he is.
46:14So if Ronnie James is worth the circus that will come along with it, the circus that will come along with him.
46:21That's a trade piece, though, Max.
46:23You ain't trying to hold on to him.
46:24You're not going to not going to get him and trade him.
46:28I mean, I think I think it would be to me.
46:30This is this is when I talked to you before, man.
46:33Karma's a bitch.
46:35I'm not here.
46:38I'm saying this.
46:39I'm not fucking with that piece like that.
46:41I'm not doing it.
46:43I thought you were talking about the other side.
46:44That's Lakers karma right there.
46:46I'm not I'm not getting Ronnie James to stick it in the Lakers face and grab me and look for a trade.
46:52No, no, I'm not doing that.
46:54I'm good.
46:55That's this.
46:57Let's stay.
46:58Let's stay classy.
46:59Boston, you know, we go.
47:09Yeah, because, you know, you know, the Soviets don't need another guard, man.
47:12You know, they they don't have it.
47:14They got like seven of them.
47:15So, you know, it would be it would be under those.
47:19Yeah, it'd be under those guidelines.
47:21Yeah, you know, you got Pritchett over there who was dying to play.
47:25You got those two stars over there playing in front of them.
47:28You're playing best defensive back sometimes.
47:31Yeah, what they do.
47:33I mean, you got, you know, Davidson over there.
47:38Davidson is still is still trying to get on.
47:40Right, right.
47:41Get on, you know, with the rack.
47:43I mean, so I don't I don't subscribe to that one that you go out.
47:51Right.
47:52James is not going to change for this team.
47:54This team needs a this team needs somebody who's going back up to the back up to the center.
48:00It's not right.
48:01And I like what they have already.
48:02Luke, I mean, I like what.
48:04Okay.
48:05I like the guys they have there.
48:07So Tillman to.
48:08Yeah.
48:09Yeah.
48:10Tillman.
48:11So, I mean, I don't know where you go.
48:12Where, you know, the chemistry of this team is so good.
48:16The loser is percent going to be back.
48:19You know, I think he's got that option.
48:22Yeah, that's a good question.
48:23Who's going to be who's going to be where.
48:26And that's the key to it.
48:28But guys.
48:29Yeah.
48:30Yeah.
48:31Yeah.
48:32Not going to say real quick.
48:33Yeah.
48:34Yeah.
48:35Yeah.
48:36Yeah.
48:37Yeah.
48:38Yeah.
48:39Yeah.
48:40Yeah.
48:41Yeah.
48:42Yeah.
48:43Yeah.
48:44Yeah.
48:45Yeah.
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48:52Yeah.
48:53Yeah.
48:54Yeah.
48:55Yeah.
48:56Yeah.
48:57Yeah.
48:58Yeah.
48:59Yeah.
49:00Yeah.
49:01Yeah.
49:02Yeah.
49:03Yeah.
49:04Yeah.
49:05Yeah.
49:06Yeah.
49:08Yeah.
49:09Yeah.
49:12Yeah.
49:13Yeah.
49:15Yeah.
49:16Yes.
49:20Yeah, he's y'all again.
49:25Bowling part.
49:27Thank you.
49:28Yeah.
49:29he said to me, I'm like, yo man, how you doing? I said, yo man, it's nice to meet you, man.
49:36He said, ping pong, ping pong. And I had Chuck D there, and Chuck D said, he has his own
49:48language. He make up his own language.
49:51And you could tell the way he said it, that was straight up off experience. That wasn't
49:55off of something he heard. He's like, nah, man, I've spoken to this dude, and I don't
49:59even know what he's saying half the damn time.
50:01Yeah, get with us on that one, that podcast.
50:05Yes, sir.
50:06Something about Stevie Wonder, which was amazing. So we were all, our mouths just dropped when
50:13he said something.
50:14Yeah, that was funny, man.
50:15So yeah.
50:16Great stuff, man. Yeah, man, plenty of guests coming up for sure, man. And of course, plenty
50:21of people's reaction to what transpired throughout that NBA Finals for sure, man. All kinds of
50:27content, this offseason, and I can't wait to get into it, man. We're going to really
50:30surprise you with some of these guests we have lined up as well. But like Max just said,
50:34man, you guys make us stronger. Appreciate the support. Everyone who's subscribed, if
50:38you haven't already, please do so. Rate, review, all that good stuff, man. We'll continue to
50:43bring over some more of that great exclusive content like we always do here on the Cedric
50:47Maxwell Podcast. He's Cedric Maxwell. I am Josue Pavone. We'll see you guys next week, man.
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