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CLNS Media's Taylor Kyles and Mike Kadlick sit down to preview Week 3 of Patriots OTAs!  0:00 - Introduction to Patriots OTA preview 2:13 - Evaluating Drake Maye's quarterback development 5:44 - Drake Maye getting more reps than Jacoby Brissett 7:30 - Drake Maye chemistry with Jaylen Waddle and Javon Baker 9:06 - Comparing Drake Maye to Justin Herbert 10:56 - Drake Maye's reps compared to others 12:47 - Bailey Zappe role as a backup 14:29 - Evaluating Drake Maye's readiness and potential cut of Zappe 16:09 - Hear a message from PrizePicks, America's top fantasy sports app 21:39 - Competition emphasized on offensive line 25:18 - Wide receivers' performance pre and post pads 26:55 - Wide receiver battle intensifies 28:32 - Javon Baker's performance evaluation 32:31 - Cornerback competition and focus on defense 35:00 - Observing young players in the secondary for improvement  Prize Picks! Get in on the excitement with PrizePicks, America’s No. 1 Fantasy Sports App, where you can turn your hoops knowledge into serious cash. Download the app today and use code CLNS for a first deposit match up to $100! Pick more. Pick less. It’s that Easy! Go to https://PrizePicks.com/CLNS  Gametime! Take the guesswork out of buying NBA tickets with Gametime. Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Download Gametime today. Last minute tickets. Lowest Price. Guaranteed. Terms apply. Go to https://gametime.co !

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00:00 (upbeat music)

00:02 - What's going on everyone?

00:21 Mike Kadlik and Taylor Kiles here

00:23 with another episode of Pat's Daily

00:25 presented by Price Picks and Game Time.

00:28 We are back to preview the Patriots' third open OTA

00:32 of the off season.

00:33 Me and Taylor will be down in Foxborough tomorrow, Tuesday,

00:36 to get yet another look at the new look,

00:39 New England Patriots.

00:40 So Taylor, before we get started,

00:43 a very important question.

00:45 How the heck are you doing today?

00:46 How was your weekend?

00:47 I feel like we did the same exact show,

00:48 you know, just a week ago today,

00:50 but how are we doing?

00:51 You ready for another OTA down in Foxborough this week?

00:55 - Yes, sir, I'm good, buddy.

00:56 Enjoyed the nice weather that we actually got.

00:58 Got to be outside, soak up a little sun.

01:00 Oh, we're going to get to soak up some more sun,

01:02 hopefully at practice,

01:03 'cause you know those days,

01:04 it's hot down there on the field.

01:06 But I'm excited, man.

01:07 Yeah, it is kind of repetitive because OTAs,

01:09 there's not a whole lot that happens

01:11 in terms of like any change.

01:13 But you know, it's important to at least address

01:15 before we get into these practices,

01:16 what kind of things we're looking for

01:17 so people understand what to expect from us after practice.

01:21 And also just kind of the storylines heading in

01:22 because we did get a little bit of change

01:25 from the last time.

01:25 So we're going to be hitting on a lot of the same topics,

01:28 but with a little extra context

01:29 based on what we saw during last week's session.

01:32 - A killer sunburn for myself last week.

01:35 I have to make sure I put the sunblock on the forehead.

01:38 I didn't wear a hat.

01:40 It was bad.

01:41 I got in the shower when I got home

01:42 and I felt like I was burning my face off.

01:44 So we will-

01:44 - You brought my sunhide for that extra protection,

01:47 the old Tommy Curry?

01:48 - Yeah, I might have to rock that.

01:50 We're learning.

01:51 We're getting used to it.

01:52 We're back in the swing of things.

01:53 But you're right too,

01:53 because it does get a little repetitive

01:55 because there are many storylines,

01:59 but they're all kind of the same

02:00 and you don't get a ton of change practice to practice.

02:03 But we were still able to sort of

02:05 dig a couple of things out here

02:06 and see sort of what new,

02:08 what changes we're looking at this week

02:11 compared to last week.

02:12 And the first, again, it's Drake May

02:14 and it's the quarterbacks.

02:15 But it's a little bit different,

02:18 I guess, a lens to look at from last week.

02:20 Because last week we talked about

02:22 what kind of reps is Drake May going to get?

02:24 Is he going to be shut out by,

02:27 not shut out by, but still behind Bailey Zappi?

02:29 And is Joe Milton going to continue

02:31 to sort of leak in there?

02:32 And Joe Milton wasn't there.

02:34 And Drake May looked really good.

02:38 I mean, as far as,

02:39 we talked about it here on Press Pass

02:41 on our standups down at Foxport.

02:43 But we saw the no-look pass

02:44 and we saw the short game was really solid.

02:47 The footwork continues to look slow but improved.

02:51 And so I'm curious what you think

02:54 about the quarterback reps,

02:55 but also kind of just what's next

02:58 for Drake May in this development?

03:00 What more can we see this week compared to last?

03:03 And do you think he deserves to jump Bailey Zappi

03:06 in that rotation and really sort of get those

03:08 quote unquote second team, second reps?

03:11 - First, when it comes to Drake's mechanics,

03:13 I've gotten to the point where like,

03:15 I'm not gonna really, if it's bad, I'll address it.

03:18 If there's something that's really glaringly wrong.

03:20 But like, man, I'm not really a quarterback guru.

03:24 Like on film, it's a little bit easier to see

03:25 when the results and you can kind of tie it

03:27 into being like, okay, this pass sprayed, what happened?

03:30 You know, sometimes that can be helpful.

03:32 But when it comes to practices,

03:33 we don't know what he's being told to do.

03:35 We don't know if he's being told, you know,

03:37 be more deliberate.

03:38 The whole stuff with his release,

03:40 like if you wanna really see a long release,

03:42 look at Trevor Lawrence, man.

03:44 It's just like some of these longer quarterbacks

03:46 physically take longer to get the ball out.

03:48 I know I talked about that with Derek Classen

03:50 before Drake was taken.

03:52 We went through all the quarterbacks in a film session

03:53 and I asked him, you know,

03:54 is there anything that you can fix?

03:56 And there are certain things

03:57 where Drake will have the ball dip sometimes.

03:59 And those are things I know he's aware of.

04:00 But for the most part, man,

04:02 I'm so sick of hearing people talk about,

04:05 oh, his mechanics look so much better and all.

04:07 It's like, most of us don't know.

04:09 We have no idea.

04:10 So truly, like, unless you are a coach,

04:12 I don't wanna hear it at this point.

04:14 I'm so done with that.

04:16 You know, so as long as the results

04:18 are where they need to be,

04:19 I don't really care how it looks.

04:21 That's for Alex Van Pelt to decide.

04:23 But like you said, in terms of what we saw on the field,

04:25 I thought it did look good.

04:26 Like you mentioned, the short game,

04:27 he had the really nice connection downfield

04:29 to Tyquan Thornton, and that's notable.

04:31 But for me, I know he can do that stuff.

04:33 Like the downfield accuracy,

04:35 I know that's what you're looking for in Drake May.

04:38 I wanted to see the short stuff.

04:39 And I was really encouraged by not just the accuracy

04:42 where we were seeing like throw after throw,

04:44 some of these guys were blanketed

04:45 and he's throwing it far out

04:47 so that his guys can be the only ones to get it,

04:49 or at least so that, you know, it's not behind,

04:51 which is what you saw a lot in college.

04:53 In the short game, he was putting passes

04:55 on the back hip of his receivers.

04:57 And in the NFL, those turn into incompletions

04:59 or just way tougher grabs than they need to be.

05:01 Even the first practice we saw in rookie mini camp,

05:03 he acknowledged that Javon Baker and Jalen Polk

05:05 had to make some tougher catches

05:07 because he wasn't putting the ball in the right spots.

05:09 So that progression I really liked.

05:11 The intelligence, which I've been talking about for months,

05:13 is something I think he really doesn't get enough credit for.

05:16 The ability to, and especially in the quick game,

05:17 make these split second decisions

05:19 where you are pumping someone open

05:21 or a pressure comes in and you're throwing it out,

05:23 which sounded like, based on Jacoby Bursette's response,

05:25 where he gave him a dap,

05:27 that that was something he'd improved

05:28 from an earlier practice.

05:29 So these things that you really can see his IQ live

05:33 and in person is really exciting.

05:35 I do think obviously he deserves more reps than Bailey Zappi.

05:38 I also think we saw that with Joe Milton out,

05:40 it felt like he really did get a chance

05:42 to string good plays together or plays period together.

05:46 You'd have Jacoby Bursette having his sessions,

05:48 but it felt like he was getting a handful of throws.

05:51 Then May, it felt like was getting a few more than that,

05:53 especially when they split up

05:54 and it was really just kind of Zappi on one field by himself

05:57 with really the projected backup.

05:59 So yeah, of course, I think he deserves more reps,

06:02 especially if he continues to improve.

06:04 And it gets to the point where you're saying,

06:05 okay, he's starting to push

06:07 and he looking as good, if not better,

06:09 than Jacoby at some points.

06:11 Jacoby still looks far and away the most consistent

06:13 and he should be the projected starter

06:15 and it should be close right now.

06:17 But at the same time,

06:18 if Drake continues to look better and better

06:20 and his talent starts to take over

06:22 because his mind is slowing down,

06:24 then it gets to the point where it's like,

06:25 he's gonna make rookie mistakes.

06:26 You still want him to get live reps

06:28 so that he can learn from them

06:29 'cause this is a mentally tough guy.

06:31 But yeah, I hope he is doing the things behind the scene

06:34 where he can continue to push to make it more comfortable

06:37 for him to be that number two and maybe the number one.

06:40 But also I understand if right now

06:42 they want these young guys in OTAs to earn their reps

06:45 while you do see guys like Juju and Zappy

06:48 who probably aren't in the long-term plans

06:50 really getting more of those number two reps

06:52 just because it's OTAs, there's competition,

06:54 but you're really more learning

06:55 and you want things to stay in rhythm

06:57 and those guys kind of help with that.

06:59 But again, if Drake keeps playing well,

07:01 I don't really think there's a reason

07:02 to be giving Zappy valuable reps

07:03 with the guys who are actually gonna be on the field.

07:06 - Right, and you mentioned him saying

07:09 that he was throwing passes behind guys

07:11 like Jalen Polk and Javon Baker.

07:12 That's just repetition

07:14 and that's just getting used to how these guys run routes,

07:17 how they like to sort of read coverage

07:19 versus how you like to read coverage

07:21 and where you like to put the football.

07:22 And so that's just gonna come with repetition, repetition,

07:25 which we saw last-

07:26 - And he's seen the Justice League footwork as well.

07:27 That's something he also mentioned.

07:28 - Correct, yep, and no, that too,

07:30 but I mean, we saw last Wednesday,

07:32 the last three offensive players off the field

07:34 were Drake May, Jalen Polk, and Javon Baker.

07:36 Like they're trying to get these guys in.

07:38 They wanna get comfortable with each other

07:40 and you see it translate to the field already.

07:42 And I forget who they were.

07:43 I don't know if it was one of those two guys,

07:45 but you mentioned throwing guys open.

07:46 Like there were two or three dig routes

07:48 where he is just putting it

07:49 where only that receiver can get it,

07:51 even in good coverage with the defender,

07:54 Drake May's just throwing guys open.

07:55 So the talent, the intangible, like, you know,

07:59 strong arm, putting it where he wants to go,

08:01 like all that stuff's there.

08:02 It's gonna just become a matter of, you know,

08:04 putting it all together with the footwork,

08:05 with the playbook and things like that.

08:07 But I mean, I like what you said about, you know,

08:09 Jacoby's gonna be the starter,

08:11 at least to start the season.

08:12 We all think he seems more comfortable.

08:14 It makes a ton of sense, but man, if,

08:17 and I know it was just one practice

08:18 that we really got excited about,

08:19 but if Drake May can kind of string this together,

08:22 I don't see why you have to sit him that long.

08:25 Like, yes, you know, right.

08:29 And I know, and I look at a guy like Justin Herbert in LA,

08:31 who I've sort of comped Drake May to him all along.

08:34 Just the, you know, big body, athletic,

08:38 puts the ball where he wants to.

08:40 Herbert was seen as a developmental guy in LA,

08:42 and he was sitting behind Tyron Taylor.

08:44 And, you know, circumstances happened,

08:47 Tyron got stabbed in the lung or whatever would happen.

08:49 And then all of a sudden,

08:50 Justin Herbert goes in and the first game,

08:52 he almost beats the Chiefs.

08:53 And he plays and he was outstanding.

08:55 And he set the rookie record for touchdown passes,

08:57 what have you.

08:58 Like the same thing could happen with Drake May.

09:00 Now, are the Patriots as talented

09:02 as that Chargers team was?

09:03 Not exactly, but it could turn into something like that.

09:06 And I'm not saying Jacoby's gonna get hurt,

09:07 but I'm saying that that type of player,

09:09 when you have all those, you know,

09:11 you have the, I guess the talent like those guys do,

09:15 it can translate rather quickly.

09:16 So we'll obviously have to wait and see what happens.

09:19 I think they're in a good spot quarterback wise

09:22 with what they have in Jacoby and Drake May.

09:24 And I look at May too, he's so young.

09:28 So there's not really a,

09:29 like I looked at Mac Jones last year, right?

09:33 And he was so nervous, maybe is the right way to put it.

09:37 Like he had these battle scars.

09:39 He had these wounds where it's like, he gets, you know,

09:42 things don't go his way and he gets nervous and jittery

09:44 and he makes a stupid mistake and throws it away.

09:45 Like, and obviously we're not gonna see that with May yet,

09:48 but it's comforting to know that he is like

09:51 a moldable piece of clay that doesn't have all that,

09:54 you know, excess baggage that we saw

09:56 with Mac Jones last year.

09:57 So in general, very happy

09:59 with the quarterback position so far.

10:02 I wanna add that, and you mentioned a little bit,

10:05 or one of us said it,

10:06 where Joe Milton wasn't there last week.

10:08 - Yeah.

10:09 - Does Joe Milton being at practice Tuesday,

10:12 like, does that affect anything with May?

10:13 Do you, not affect in a bad way,

10:15 but like, how do you think the reps get split up?

10:16 Do you think that should be,

10:18 not so much cause for concern, but, you know,

10:21 I guess, how do you see it or how should it go

10:24 with four guys tomorrow instead of three from last week?

10:26 - Yeah, no, that's a fair question.

10:28 And I was wondering the same thing,

10:29 especially if Drake is making more progress

10:31 and you're like, we really do wanna get this guy reps.

10:34 Again, I'm not anticipating

10:35 that Drake is gonna be the number two.

10:37 I still think it's gonna be the veterans

10:38 kinda getting the nod until we get into maybe mini camp

10:41 and even maybe even to the summer,

10:43 once we really get to training camp.

10:44 And it's like, all right, now, you know, pads are on,

10:47 we're still in the install phase,

10:48 but we're really, it's about heavier competition

10:51 cause it's a little higher pace.

10:53 - Right.

10:54 - Really don't know.

10:55 I feel like you don't wanna take it away from Drake May.

10:57 I think if anything, it would be like what we saw last time

11:00 where it kinda more eats into Bailey Zappi's reps

11:02 where he was taking the majority of reps on that other field

11:05 and it felt more like it was Jacoby

11:07 and Drake on the other,

11:08 which is what we saw even when Joe Milton was there,

11:10 it was Joe and Zappi and then Jacoby and Drake.

11:13 And also maybe it just means

11:15 that Milton doesn't get as many reps

11:17 as maybe we saw in that first practice

11:19 where they were all together,

11:20 where instead of, you know, he wasn't getting like 10,

11:23 but maybe it's really just three or four.

11:25 That's gonna be an interesting one to watch again,

11:27 because he missed time and maybe, you know,

11:29 Drake gained ground and I don't know, it's weird.

11:32 Bottom line, Joe Milton should not affect Drake May's reps,

11:36 although I'm sure he'll be in the lineup.

11:38 - Yeah. - Interesting one to see.

11:39 It's tough to project,

11:40 but I just don't think he's gonna get many reps at all

11:42 at the end of the day.

11:42 - And I, look, I still think the way the room is set up

11:46 right now makes sense.

11:48 And there's so much pushback right now

11:50 on why are there four quarterbacks?

11:51 Why is Bailey Zappi around?

11:52 Like we talked about it last week,

11:54 but I just wanna reiterate again,

11:55 like the way, and the way the core plan is right now

11:59 makes a ton of sense to me anyway.

12:02 And I think it should to most people

12:03 with four guys, not three,

12:05 it's June 3rd, there's so much football left to play.

12:09 You're not, you know,

12:10 you're not struggling for roster spots right now.

12:12 I guess we can, we'll touch on it

12:13 when we get to the offensive line,

12:14 but Andrew Stuber was waived this morning.

12:16 So like, there's still one spot left.

12:18 It's not like you're feening to cut a quarterback.

12:20 And I think Bailey Zappi knows his place.

12:22 I think everybody in that room, you know,

12:24 knows what's kind of going on right now.

12:25 And the quarterbacks or the rookies are last,

12:28 the veterans are first, because it's June.

12:31 Rousset and Zappi get the ones and twos.

12:33 Zappi's your quote unquote backup.

12:35 Drake May is the developmental guy.

12:37 And Joe Milton's really the,

12:39 I guess more of a developmental guy,

12:41 but the late round pick who doesn't see a lot of reps,

12:43 but is kind of around for the ride.

12:45 It could be a camp arm.

12:46 And so when the four of them are together,

12:48 it's Brousset, then it's Zappi,

12:51 who still gets those sort of backup reps with the veterans

12:53 in case push comes to shove

12:54 and Brousset gets hurt, what have you.

12:55 And Zappi's the backup.

12:58 And Drake May's the guy you're trying to get ready

13:00 for your future.

13:01 So he's third, but they split up into those two,

13:03 you know, the two fields that we keep seeing.

13:05 It's Brousset and then it's May,

13:07 because he still needs to continue to develop under Jacoby

13:10 and with the sort of Alex Van Pelt

13:13 and those sort of, I guess, more prominent coaches.

13:17 Where on the other side, it's the developmental guys

13:19 with Bailey Zappi, who's there as a, I guess,

13:21 a backup and a camp arm,

13:23 and Joe Milton, who's there in the same.

13:24 So again, I don't think that there should be this rush

13:27 to cut Bailey Zappi, and I don't think there should

13:29 at all be a rush to cut Joe Milton,

13:31 who's a six round pick, who is really here to just,

13:34 you know, be an arm and get footballs out there

13:36 or what have you.

13:37 So I think they're in a good place right now,

13:39 quarterback room wise.

13:39 I think everybody understands their role.

13:41 So there, you know, there really doesn't have to be this,

13:44 this outcry to get rid of Bailey Zappi.

13:47 - Yeah, and I guess the one interesting thing is that

13:50 Gerard Mayo did make it sound like he does want to cut it

13:53 down three quarterbacks, which I guess does make sense,

13:55 especially if you're splitting reps with the top guys.

13:57 Like even last year they had Mack, they had Zappi,

14:00 and then they had, who was it at that time?

14:02 It was Trace McSorley.

14:04 So finding reps for four quarterbacks is difficult,

14:07 especially when you have a young guy where,

14:09 Joe Milton, he is talented, you want to get him reps,

14:11 but I think it all just is incumbent on how far along

14:13 Drake May is in his growth.

14:15 If it feels like he's making steady progress

14:17 where he really does understand the offense,

14:19 and you're more worried about,

14:21 can he do it on the field consistently,

14:22 rather than like, oh, his head is swimming.

14:25 There's so much, like we just need a veteran

14:26 who knows how to run an NFL offense.

14:28 If Drake can pass that test,

14:30 then I could see Bailey Zappi getting cut

14:31 just because Joe Milton does have a lot of talent,

14:34 and you'd like to see him get some opportunities.

14:36 But also, Joe Milton cannot physically operate

14:38 an NFL offense.

14:39 I mean, even still, we saw Trace McSorley.

14:41 He wasn't really great either.

14:42 Like anytime he came in, it was just like,

14:44 pass, no offense, pass were flying everywhere.

14:47 So it wasn't like, you know, those third and fourth groups

14:49 were getting great consistency either.

14:51 But yeah, I think it'll maybe be a combination

14:53 of Joe Milton, but really at the end of the day,

14:55 is Drake someone where you're confident

14:57 this really is a two quarterback race,

14:59 and if Kobe were to get hurt and be your starter,

15:02 you're not really worried about Drake May

15:04 being thrust into a role.

15:06 It's more just like, yeah, we'd rather have him,

15:08 you know, a slow entrance into the NFL,

15:11 but you know, if push comes to shove,

15:12 we'd rather him out there than Bailey Zappi

15:14 because he gives us a better chance to win.

15:16 - Yeah, I think that's, you hit it on the head.

15:18 It's really gonna depend on if they're comfortable

15:20 throwing Drake May into a fire,

15:21 if they really wanna take this slowly

15:23 and put him in the perfect position

15:26 where it may be worth keeping Zappi around

15:28 to be that backup in, you know, in an emergency situation,

15:31 and Drake May's inactive until, you know,

15:33 until they wanna really, I guess, release him

15:36 and throw him into the fire, what have you.

15:38 So that's it for the-

15:39 - You can also literally sign a veteran backup.

15:40 I kind of keep forgetting that

15:41 just 'cause I'm so used to Bailey Zappi

15:43 and being like, well, you have a guy

15:44 who's won games in the NFL.

15:46 It's not that crazy to keep him around,

15:47 but at the same time, if you feel, you know,

15:49 maybe Drake isn't ready and we already cut Zappi,

15:52 one, there's no promise that Zappi's

15:53 gonna get signed elsewhere, if we're being totally honest.

15:56 And also, like I said, you can still usually

15:58 find guys on the market if you really need a veteran.

16:00 So just putting that out there as well.

16:02 - Yeah.

16:03 Yeah, so that's the quarterbacks.

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17:14 - Two weeks ago, we saw Nick Leverett and Sidney So

17:21 taking the majority of the reps on the interior

17:22 at both left and right guard spots.

17:24 Next to David Andrews.

17:26 And last week we saw it turn into

17:29 Antonio Maffi and Michael Jordan.

17:31 So Sidney So I think was banged up.

17:33 He, I don't know, I don't wanna call it banged up,

17:35 but he was limited in practice.

17:36 He didn't do much.

17:37 So do you think this is just a precautionary thing,

17:40 or do you think this is a Cole Strange isn't ready yet,

17:44 so let's just kinda throw everybody into the fire

17:46 and see what sticks?

17:47 Do we, you know, see a little bit of

17:49 Leighton Robinson this week?

17:50 Like, what are you looking for?

17:52 What are you keeping your eyes on

17:53 on the interior offensive line on Tuesday,

17:56 during Tuesday's practice?

17:58 - I do think it'd be encouraging to see Sidney So

18:00 back out there and actually participating.

18:01 'Cause we did see him, he had the jersey on,

18:03 but he wasn't really doing much,

18:05 which was notable because when you saw pictures from earlier,

18:10 I think it was earlier that week

18:11 or at the end of last week in practice, one or the other,

18:13 it was the same setup that we saw

18:15 where it was Maffi at left guard

18:16 and Sidney So wasn't in the lineup,

18:18 which makes it feel like he's not participating

18:20 for a reason that might be health related.

18:22 Like we saw, he was actually there.

18:25 I will say it's way too early for me

18:28 to really read into this.

18:29 I understand that we need to take note of these things

18:33 because if it continues into the summer

18:35 and maybe even deeper, then obviously it's an issue,

18:37 but like, I don't care.

18:39 If Sidney So's not playing when there's no pads on

18:42 and it's OTAs, okay, so what?

18:45 You know, they're gonna be rotating guys

18:46 and chemistry is big, obviously,

18:49 but again, there's only so much you can simulate

18:51 in the trenches when you aren't able to go full speed.

18:53 So if it is a precautionary thing

18:55 and they just wanna get Antonio Maffi

18:57 some more opportunities, that's fine.

19:00 I do wanna see, again, Sidney So with the starting lineup,

19:02 I do think you wanna have some level of comfort there,

19:05 but if he's got something that's nicked up

19:07 and they just say, hey, we do not wanna risk it,

19:10 we saw what happened with Cole Strange last year

19:11 where he was kind of nicked up

19:14 and didn't participate at points

19:15 and then you have the knee injury

19:16 and then he misses the entire summer pretty much.

19:18 So I'm not reading too much into it.

19:20 I think it is something that, you know,

19:22 bookmark in your head, keep tabs on it

19:23 and we'll monitor the situation,

19:26 but not something I'm terribly moved by,

19:28 especially the offensive line, period.

19:29 If they're working different rotations, you know,

19:32 I think it's just to see how guys look,

19:33 like in terms of reps, just to see if they can move,

19:36 you know, left to right,

19:37 if it's something that looks uncomfortable for them.

19:40 I don't know, it's just, I feel like-

19:42 - It's not a red flag, I'm totally with you.

19:44 - This, yeah, I feel like I'm rambling

19:46 just 'cause I feel like we kind of make a big deal

19:49 out of nothing.

19:50 This is the time to do that stuff.

19:52 And like, we only see one practice a week.

19:54 And so we have to relay our observations

19:58 and put them in our notebooks and tweak them

20:00 and do them on these shows.

20:01 But it's not like it's, you know,

20:03 oh, they were the starters last week

20:05 and these are the starters this week.

20:06 And there's so many different, like, you know,

20:08 I mentioned the offensive line combinations

20:10 two or three times during our shows last week,

20:11 but these aren't different offensive line combinations.

20:15 These are just June football practices.

20:17 And so like, again, we have to do a show today.

20:20 We have to talk about it today,

20:21 but it's not necessarily a bad thing

20:23 that they're quote unquote trying guys out, you know,

20:25 in different combinations,

20:26 because they just want to see what they have on the whole,

20:29 the roster's up to 90 people right now.

20:30 Like you have to see-

20:32 - 89 'cause Andrew Stuber got cut.

20:34 - This is true, they are at 89.

20:36 So you have to see what works best

20:40 and this is the time to do it.

20:41 So they're probably, you know, again, I don't know,

20:43 but they could be throwing four, five, six, seven, whatever,

20:46 however many guys at card, at tackle, at center.

20:49 We saw Antonio Maffi take a bunch of center reps last week.

20:52 So like, this is the time to see what you have.

20:55 It's not a, oh no,

20:57 is Michael Jordan going to be the right guard?

20:58 It's, oh, maybe they're going to give this guy a shot

21:01 to win a spot and you know,

21:02 whether he's a starter or whether he's a backup,

21:04 again, this is the time to do it.

21:05 So they're doing it all the time.

21:07 We have to report on this stuff.

21:08 We have to bring it back and, you know,

21:09 give our observations,

21:10 but I don't think it's, you know, a cause for concern.

21:14 The only thing you have to look at is, you know,

21:15 when is Cole Strange going to be healthy?

21:17 And that's kind of why they have to do this rotation right

21:20 now is because you don't have your city.

21:23 So Cole Strange, you know, quote unquote duo,

21:26 that is going to be, I guess for certain, because again,

21:29 so might be banged up and strange.

21:31 It's going to miss the end of the year where like,

21:32 you know, it's going to be, you know,

21:34 Chuksa Cora for Mike on one who,

21:35 so that's not really a question.

21:37 And we don't even really use that as an observation

21:39 because there's no real news around the position.

21:41 So,

21:42 - And that only will distress the fact that they want

21:44 competition on the offensive line.

21:45 I think, you know, Mike and David Andrews,

21:48 they're not moving.

21:48 That's pretty obvious.

21:49 I think it let tackle.

21:50 They do want Chuksa to be the guy at least early on

21:53 because he's proven he can start in the NFL.

21:55 Like, I feel like it's always under the radar

21:57 and I understand the transition's hard, but I mean,

21:59 look what the Browns offense did last year with backups

22:02 at both of their tackle spots.

22:03 Like they lost the top three guys.

22:05 So I think that other than the guys you expect to kind of

22:09 be there, I think those interior spots, again,

22:11 other than city, so as well,

22:12 I think he played well enough last year that it warrants him

22:14 getting as many opportunities as possible,

22:16 but everybody else like Nick Levret, Michael Jordan,

22:20 Leighton Robinson, whoever it is at that right guard spot,

22:22 if city does stay on the left side,

22:24 Antonio Maffi, whoever it is,

22:26 none of those guys have earned a spot.

22:27 They haven't shown enough in a Patriots uniform to say,

22:29 Hey, these are guys we're pretty confident, you know,

22:32 that they're going to be the guys.

22:33 Again, Chuksa is the only one of that group

22:36 who has starting experience in the NFL.

22:37 It's not a backup or, you know,

22:39 a plug option like Nick Levret's been as a guy who truly

22:43 started and they were not necessarily looking to replace.

22:45 So again, there's going to be a battle.

22:47 And I think that's by design.

22:48 And they knew that this guard spot was going to maybe have a

22:51 little bit inconsistencies.

22:53 - Let's talk about those rookies then,

22:55 Caden Wallace, Leighton Robinson quickly,

22:57 because they haven't really been in those starting lineups,

23:01 just like the wide receivers haven't, which we'll get to.

23:05 Do you want to see that happen sooner rather than later?

23:06 Do you think Leighton Robinson should get added reps on the

23:09 inside? Should he be, I guess,

23:11 the next man up in this interior guard rotation?

23:13 And do you want to see what Caden Wallace has at left tackle?

23:16 And I know they're working in there sort of with the

23:18 backups, but is there any, again,

23:22 maybe this is trying to make a headline that's not,

23:24 but is there any cause for concern that maybe Caden Wallace

23:27 isn't getting enough reps at left tackle with the starters

23:29 where, you know, he's kind of,

23:30 you want that to be your next guy in at left tackle?

23:34 - Not really. I mean,

23:35 I think he's mixing a bit at the left tackle spot with the

23:38 top, with what looks like the top group.

23:41 Hasn't been a ton, but I feel like every once in a while,

23:42 you're like, oh, it looks like Caden's in there now.

23:44 I think Leighton, it's been the same kind of thing,

23:46 but like we said with the quarterbacks,

23:49 if Bailey Zappi is going to be over Drake May at all,

23:51 then I'm really not stressed if Caden Wallace and Leighton

23:54 Robinson aren't getting starting reps.

23:56 Like think about how quickly our opinions are going to

23:57 change once they have one-on-ones.

23:59 And we actually see these guys going at each other and

24:02 locking horns and it's like, oh,

24:03 Leighton Robinson's not letting anybody get by him.

24:06 Those are the kinds of things where, yeah,

24:08 then I would like to see him start getting reps with the

24:10 starters because he's earned it.

24:11 I mean,

24:12 I don't know what these offensive line coaches are

24:14 necessarily looking for on these days outside of purely

24:17 fundamentals and being like, hey, you know,

24:19 on this combo, you want to maybe take over faster,

24:22 whatever it is, you know, things like that.

24:23 The chemistry there does matter.

24:25 But again, we're not even going full speed yet.

24:27 So again, I think with the offensive line,

24:29 you start with the older guys,

24:31 just see if they can make sure that things are flowing

24:33 smoothly. And then these young guys, if they stand out,

24:36 that's when you start creeping into the starting lineup.

24:38 But I think they did a good enough job getting depth with

24:40 Chukso Corp or with Nick Leverett and Michael Jordan,

24:44 where, you know,

24:45 especially the guard guys aren't as proven because they

24:47 haven't ever really been true starters,

24:50 but they're guys who have NFL experience.

24:51 And that's something you couldn't say for the interior last

24:53 year outside of James Ference,

24:55 who couldn't even stay on the field for more than like a

24:56 drive at a time.

24:58 So yeah,

24:59 I'm really indifferent to how many reps the young guys get

25:02 with the starters, as long as,

25:03 especially Caden Wallace is getting opportunities to work

25:07 out and get his, you know,

25:08 fundamentals down on the left side of the line.

25:10 - A good way to transition to our next topic,

25:15 because you mentioned,

25:16 you don't care once until we put the pads on until the horn

25:22 is doing the type one Thornton thing again,

25:25 early in spring practices.

25:26 So let's talk about the wide receivers because like we said,

25:29 Ty,

25:30 Baker were great last week, you know,

25:34 great catches type on looks good.

25:36 His hands look good.

25:37 Footwork looks improved, what have you,

25:38 but we've seen this now for three straight, three sprints,

25:41 three straight Springs and three straight summers where

25:43 before they put the pads on type one,

25:45 there, he looks like he's kicking ass.

25:50 Is this time, is he going to emerge, whatever.

25:52 And then the pads come on and, you know,

25:54 shoulder hurts, what have you like,

25:56 that's sort of been the tail of the tape for type one

25:57 Thornton.

25:58 So first of all,

26:01 can him and Baker continue their hot streak right now and,

26:04 you know, get the road TAs and into mini camp with,

26:07 you know, being sort of the guys in the wide receiver room.

26:09 And frankly,

26:11 does it matter because we've seen this already and should we

26:13 get our hopes up with, with Ty Kwon or is this sort of just,

26:16 you know, par for the course, this is springtime type one,

26:18 and then he's going to come in and frankly disappoint again.

26:21 What, what do you think of that?

26:22 What do you think of the developments from those two in the

26:24 wide receiver room?

26:25 - Well, I will say first when it comes to receiver reps,

26:28 I lean more towards the quarterbacks where still,

26:31 like I said,

26:32 I do want Drake May to get reps because this is the time of

26:35 the year where you do see the quarterback and receiver

26:37 chemistry kind of start to build because there are things

26:40 that you can do in the timing and things like this is when

26:42 it's going to be at its easiest.

26:43 Whereas in the trenches,

26:45 it's almost not relevant because it's completely different

26:49 what their jobs actually are.

26:50 So I think we did see Javon Baker get some opportunities

26:53 with the ones,

26:54 cause he was catching passes from Jacoby percent.

26:55 So whether that was a rotational thing or not,

26:58 you're seeing that it feels like he's starting to creep up.

27:00 And I also think there is enough of that battle where

27:02 Taekwon has looked good,

27:04 but I think still that X receiver spot is pretty wide open.

27:07 I think all the receiver spots, frankly,

27:09 are wide open considering outside of the slot.

27:11 I think DeMario Douglas is locked in there and three

27:13 receiver sets are like KJ Osborne is the guy that you

27:16 default to cause he's a veteran and he's had success in the

27:19 NFL,

27:20 but you'd like to see Jalen Polk again,

27:21 kind of take some of his snaps.

27:23 With Taekwon,

27:25 I would expect him to continue to play well, of course,

27:28 progress isn't linear and maybe he'll take a step back and I

27:30 don't want us to overreact to that either, but you know,

27:33 with his speed and with his skillset,

27:35 this is the time where you want to see him thrive.

27:37 Javon Baker, it's kind of similar.

27:38 I think he'll look even better when you really could see the

27:40 physicality more when dads do come on.

27:43 But I mean,

27:44 he's such a dominant player that when there's less

27:46 physicality that is involved,

27:47 especially from defensive backs,

27:49 you're going to see him make the kind of plays he made on

27:51 the ball.

27:52 Jalen Polk hasn't really had a ton of chances to shine.

27:55 And that's due to a bunch of reasons.

27:56 There's a lot of mouths to feed.

27:58 There were some practices we've seen where the protection

28:00 kind of did collapse really quickly.

28:02 And then obviously that kind of ends the play really fast.

28:06 Cause I saw some questions about him.

28:08 He did have one, he did have one catch.

28:10 Do you remember what it was?

28:11 He had like one pretty impressive play last week.

28:13 I can't remember what it was.

28:16 - It's not coming to me off the top of my head,

28:17 but I know what you're talking about.

28:21 - You'd like to maybe see him do more, but again,

28:23 it's so early, you know,

28:24 other people are catching passes, not a huge deal,

28:26 but I do hope to see, especially Taekwon,

28:29 continue to build and emerge because it's year three.

28:32 Like if Javon Baker has a bad practice,

28:34 it's not really going to go off in your head as much

28:36 because that's expected.

28:38 Whereas with Taekwon, whether it's fair or not,

28:40 he really needs to step up.

28:42 Obviously still has a couple of years on his contract,

28:45 but with a room that's so crowded and has so many guys who

28:48 can contribute,

28:49 he really doesn't have a ton of space to aggress.

28:51 So again, if he has a bad practice,

28:53 I'm not going to freak out,

28:54 but it would be discouraging considering like you've been

28:56 around, man, this is when your skillset really shines.

29:00 You got to stand out consistently and be making plays.

29:02 Even if he has a drop, whatever,

29:04 bounce back and show that you can still be resilient and

29:06 make a play.

29:07 And I'm sure that they're trying to,

29:09 and they're trying to find him targets and ways to get

29:11 involved. So yeah, Taekwon keeps stacking.

29:13 Hopefully the same happens with Javon Baker and we see maybe

29:17 Jalen Pope starts to take another step as well.

29:19 - Yeah. The one thing too,

29:19 I want to add to the wide receivers before I let you finish

29:22 off any thoughts with again, guys like Pope,

29:24 even Jaheim Bell, who's a tight end, but you know,

29:26 we can call him a, a offensive skill position and kind of,

29:30 yeah,

29:30 I'm gonna still be watching for Taekwon on special teams.

29:35 I think that's huge.

29:36 I think that is an interesting sort of wrinkle into this

29:39 whole thing and an interesting way that he can continue to

29:42 earn himself a roster spot because, and same goes,

29:49 depending on if we see them sort of rep their new, you know,

29:52 kick return, I guess the way they're going to use kick,

29:55 kick return and kick off and things like that.

29:57 Jalen Rager could earn himself a spot being that sort of,

30:00 you know, kick return specialist.

30:01 So,

30:02 you know, that, that Gunner,

30:05 a guy who can really show that, you know,

30:07 his speed is valuable on special teams,

30:09 then maybe he can find his.

30:11 So anything else on the other weapons that you're looking

30:18 at, we're not this thing up with defense.

30:20 - I think you nailed it.

30:22 Yeah. The special team.

30:22 So again, Jayvon Baker on special teams as well.

30:24 Going to be interesting to see if he can carve out a role

30:26 there as well, just to earn himself, you know, more,

30:29 more good rapport and a good reputation with the coaching

30:32 staff.

30:33 They know that he can do multiple things.

30:34 That kind of stuff just makes coaches want to get you

30:37 involved as much as possible.

30:38 Cause they know you're really putting the work in and he's a

30:40 fourth round pick.

30:40 It's not like Jalen Polk,

30:41 where he doesn't really have to contribute on special teams.

30:43 Cause he's projected to have a big role.

30:45 He might be used as a returner.

30:46 It looks like he's gotten some chances to do that,

30:49 but especially with Taekwon.

30:50 If he can make any kind of impact with his speed on special

30:53 teams, that'd be huge for this team.

30:54 - All right.

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32:27 - One of your,

32:28 one of your notes before we started,

32:31 this was the cornerback competition.

32:33 And we talked about that last week as well.

32:36 And I said before last week's practice session,

32:39 when we were doing our preview that I was going to try and

32:41 pay attention more to the defense,

32:43 but I can't keep my eyes off Drake May.

32:45 I can't keep my eyes off the wide receivers.

32:46 I'm sorry. It's just where it goes.

32:48 It's, it's hard to do the most,

32:50 on the most important side of the football, in my opinion,

32:56 especially with the number three,

32:57 wasn't paying too much attention to the defense,

33:00 but I think you have,

33:02 and I think you have sort of that sort of side of the ball

33:04 right now than I do.

33:05 So what are you looking for,

33:07 especially in terms of the cornerback position,

33:09 but in general improvements, things

33:11 (indistinct)

33:14 on that side of the ball when we head to practice tomorrow

33:16 down at Foxborough.

33:18 - I'd like to see Alex Soss and keep playing some good ball.

33:20 He flashed a couple of times.

33:22 He had a tip pass in the last practice we saw against

33:24 Javon Baker, the lead doing interception for Jalen Hawkins.

33:27 I think that cornerback group has really been competitive

33:29 all around.

33:30 I didn't get to see it,

33:31 but I know that Isaiah Bolden had a fast breakup.

33:33 Marco Wilson had some competitive reps as well.

33:36 And we've been saying that Christian Gonzalez

33:38 and Jonathan Jones are pretty much penned in to be

33:41 the starters wherever Jonathan Jones is applying it up.

33:44 And you'd like to see,

33:45 especially one of those outside guys emerge

33:47 because that star slot position for the Patriots secondary,

33:51 like Myles Bryant got a lot of crap,

33:52 but that was not an easy spot to play.

33:54 You have so many responsibilities,

33:56 a lot of adjustments that can happen on the fly where

33:59 literally it can just be a matter of Kyle Duggar

34:01 coming down to the box and saying,

34:02 "Hey, you take deep, I'm going to be in the slot."

34:04 Things like that, where you have to be really flexible.

34:07 And Jonathan Jones is the person you'd want to have

34:09 in that position where he's done all that.

34:11 He understands the secondary,

34:12 knows like the back of his hand.

34:13 That's a lot easier for him.

34:15 Whereas Marcus Jones, I think he can emerge in that spot.

34:18 And I'd like to see him have a strong camp,

34:19 especially after last year.

34:21 Wasn't really great.

34:22 You saw him get kind of picked on at times,

34:25 but even still, I think Jonathan Jones is the best fit

34:27 for that slot position.

34:29 And then someone like an Alex Austin or an Isaiah Bolden,

34:32 guys who really shown him pretty impressive flashes.

34:35 If they can show whether it's rotational

34:37 or one guy just stands out,

34:39 having that kind of youth and promise on the secondary,

34:41 but both of them do,

34:42 and then you kind of move guys around that flexibility,

34:45 I think that'd be pretty huge.

34:46 And that's before we talk about Marcellus Dial,

34:48 who I didn't see a ton of him, honestly.

34:50 Again, I was really paying attention to the offense,

34:52 but it seemed like he had a couple of good plays as well.

34:54 So I'll be looking to see which of the corners

34:56 can make plays because it's a really crowded position

35:00 outside of those top two spots.

35:01 So anybody who's kind of gaining ground,

35:04 that's going to be significant as we get deeper

35:06 into the off-season program

35:08 and you start seeing guys really start to work in

35:10 with the top units.

35:11 - Yeah.

35:12 I think too that, I guess my goal for tomorrow,

35:18 for the defense is frankly paying attention

35:22 more to that side of the ball,

35:23 but especially the young guys, you mentioned Dial,

35:25 but look, I know what I'm going to get

35:27 from a Matthew Judd on,

35:30 I know what I'm at least going to get from him,

35:32 same with Anfernee Jennings and sort of D.J. Twyce,

35:34 those older veterans, but I don't know about the young guys.

35:37 So I want to watch those guys in the secondary.

35:40 You mentioned Alex Austin,

35:41 wasn't too like all those young cornerbacks

35:45 who have a lot to prove.

35:47 And it's an interesting room in general,

35:49 because again, we all have these super high hopes

35:51 for Christian Gonzalez.

35:52 I mentioned it to a couple of times last week.

35:56 He's only played three, three and a half games in this league.

35:58 So I guess we shall see what happens there.

36:01 Anything, any other closing thoughts for tomorrow's OTA

36:04 before we get out of here

36:05 and sort of put a bow on this preview?

36:07 - Just want to see how smooth everything goes,

36:09 like make sure it's a well-oiled machine.

36:10 Things may not be perfect.

36:12 Again, this is a coaching staff

36:14 that's still working things out.

36:16 They're finding their chemistry and all of that,

36:18 but I'll probably just be looking out for that,

36:20 seeing if there's any snags.

36:21 And if there's anything that we've seen previously

36:24 that maybe they get a little better on,

36:25 like sometimes one side was moving through drills

36:28 a little bit faster than the other.

36:29 So you want to see them kind of be on the same page

36:31 a little bit.

36:32 Again, it's OTAs.

36:33 This is the time where you iron those things out

36:34 before training camp,

36:35 when truly every single rep matters

36:38 because the intensity is a little bit higher.

36:40 But that's about it for me.

36:41 Just want to see that everything is, you know,

36:43 operating relatively smoothly.

36:44 - Totally. I'm with you.

36:46 Keep stacking those days, keep progressing.

36:49 And again, it's super new.

36:50 This whole thing is insanely new.

36:52 There's a bunch of like, you know,

36:53 reporting that's continued to come out about the-

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36:59 How it talked about last week where like, you know,

37:01 and people made a big deal about like

37:02 Super Bowl banners coming down.

37:04 It's a brand new head coach.

37:05 Mayo's been doing this for, you know,

37:06 just under, call it three or-

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37:11 It's going to be a work in progress.

37:13 So I am interested to see too,

37:14 sort of just how those things work out

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