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00:00 A lot of eyes will be on him in training camp, you know, thinking that this is the year and

00:06 maybe it is.

00:07 I hope it is.

00:08 I hope he, uh, I hope he goes up there and turns into, uh, you know, everything that

00:13 maybe he hasn't been in the American league.

00:15 You know, that'd be great.

00:16 Yeah.

00:17 I want to see him up because I think the trade value is so low now that I don't think it's

00:22 like he has any trade value.

00:24 Yeah.

00:25 I talk to pro Scouts all the time in Providence that watch them on a regular basis and he

00:31 doesn't have a lot of value.

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01:10 Uh, I am Evan Marinovsky joined by Mark Diver.

01:14 Mark what's up?

01:15 Nothing much.

01:16 Evan, uh, you know, winding the hockey season down here.

01:21 Uh, haven't been in a rink in what?

01:25 Two weeks, two weekends.

01:26 Yeah.

01:27 I'm going to Mount St. Charles tomorrow though for the big alumni tilt.

01:31 So that's right.

01:33 Did I hear Higgins will be there?

01:36 Oh yeah.

01:37 Oh yeah.

01:38 What time is Pelosi?

01:41 It's really to see the roster of the rosters of the two teams.

01:47 You know, you know how good they've been the last, since they started the Academy, but

01:51 you look at those rosters and it's like, Holy cow, this, they got so many good players.

01:57 So many good players.

02:00 What time is that at on Saturday?

02:02 11 am.

02:03 I am.

02:05 Interesting mission.

02:06 I might try to, well, for listeners and viewers who are really into that, who want to go watch

02:12 like Chris Pelosi, you mentioned it'll be their Bruins draft pick James Higgins future

02:18 first, you know, first overall pick probably next year.

02:21 Um, there's a lot of, a lot of talent.

02:24 I'm sure that who else is there?

02:25 You got to send me those rosters.

02:26 All right, I'll do that after, uh, after we finish here.

02:30 But uh, this is how all our conversations go in the ranks.

02:35 Oh my God, you should see what's coming up.

02:37 And I go, Oh, what's going on?

02:38 You got to send me that.

02:39 It's our whole conversations.

02:40 Well, it's going to be good.

02:41 Uh, you know, a bunch of kids who are in division one college hockey now, uh, you know, Guillaume

02:49 Richard of Providence college.

02:51 Uh, um, you know, a couple of UMass guys, uh, it's just a star studded collection of,

03:02 uh, of alums.

03:04 It's really, you know, for years, the Mount program, the high school program has had alumni

03:09 games, not open to the public though, but you know, Brian Burrard, you know, guys like

03:15 that, uh, ex pros would show up for that.

03:19 But that, that's a different, uh, a different thing than, than what this is going to be.

03:23 Uh, and I would suspect that, uh, there will be some young studs there, 13, 14, 12, 13,

03:36 14 with the program, maybe using this as an opportunity to showcase what they got going

03:42 in, uh, in one socket.

03:44 So a beautiful spring day in Northern Rhode Island.

03:48 Uh, why not?

03:51 Why not is right.

03:52 Um, so for those who don't know, Mount St. Charles is an Academy now they're the, the

03:58 great hockey team they have as an Academy.

04:00 And basically they have a U 14, a U 15, U 16 and U 18 team.

04:05 And in each age group, they are one of the top teams in the country.

04:09 And they consistently, especially on the 14 and 15 teams draw a lot of the top kids.

04:15 So I know a lot of Bruins listeners might not relate to that, but a lot might, and they

04:19 had a lot of future potential Bruins, uh, uh, down the road.

04:23 So they, uh, it's been that way for the last bunch of years.

04:27 And obviously it's a historic program, historic school.

04:30 Um, so that'll be interesting.

04:32 Um, if you're in the area, go check it out.

04:34 And I agree with you, it's probably going to be a recruiting tool for, uh, some of those,

04:38 you know, or not recruiting, but you know, uh, say, Hey, look what you could end up becoming

04:42 to some of those younger kids, uh, down the road.

04:46 Um, last time I saw you as the mass hockey festival, a couple of weeks ago, we were,

04:51 uh, uh, we were with, uh, Jay Pandolfo, Freddie Meyer, Jim Montgomery, poor, poor Monty.

04:59 He was getting, uh, every, you know, I gotta give Monty a lot of credit.

05:02 Uh, every little kid came up to him in that, in that new England sports center, they'd

05:06 take a selfie with him and he took a selfie with every single kid.

05:10 A lot of respect to that.

05:11 It was the day after the, uh, the game.

05:13 It was hours after less than 24 hours after the season ending loss on Friday night.

05:20 Yeah.

05:21 He, he, uh, he not only, I mean, he was so approachable, big smile with the kids, you

05:28 know, it just, uh, it was great to see, you know, and I think he's that, he's that kind

05:34 of a guy.

05:35 He, he has, uh, that kind of a personality that, you know, he's open to, uh, he's approachable.

05:41 You can go up and talk to him.

05:43 So good for him.

05:44 Yeah.

05:45 Good for him.

05:46 His son was there.

05:47 Um, so very good to see that.

05:49 And obviously again, I think it wasn't even like 15 hours after the loss.

05:54 And uh, he, he went out and the funniest part, I came out of the bathroom and he was out

05:58 in the middle of the rinks and there was like a group of young kids around him, just like

06:04 with phones, like, can I take a selfie?

06:05 Can I take a selfie?

06:06 Can I take a selfie?

06:07 And he just said yes.

06:08 And he always has a smile on his face.

06:10 Um, uh, so good for him.

06:12 I was happy to see that.

06:14 Um, but, uh, yeah, that was the last time we were in the rinks together.

06:18 So maybe, I don't know if I'll be there Saturday for the Mount thing.

06:22 I, I'll have to see.

06:24 Um, but I'm curious for on the Bruins side of things, um, as a whole, what were your

06:31 feelings on this season?

06:34 I think it was a, it was a really good season, uh, considering, you know, and I, uh, I thought

06:44 that I have a tough time making the playoffs.

06:46 I thought they'd be right on the, on the bubble.

06:48 And, uh, they were certainly a lot better than that.

06:52 You know, I, even early in the season, you know, and I think we, we discussed this, uh,

06:57 numerous times.

06:58 I didn't think they were good.

07:00 I thought they had too many holes, too many, uh, you know, no number one center, uh, just

07:07 holes up and down the lineup.

07:11 And despite that, uh, they, they had a terrific season, a terrific regular season and, uh,

07:18 they beat Toronto in the first round.

07:21 You know, are they a better, you look at the roster side by side, do they have a better

07:24 roster than Toronto?

07:25 Geez, I don't know.

07:26 Yeah, probably.

07:27 I mean, they're better in areas, but I mean, Toronto clearly has the firepower, but Boston

07:34 comes down to a Boston wins, you know?

07:36 So to me, the season was made, uh, when, uh, when pasta scored on the breakaway there and

07:43 at the TV garden, um, I didn't expect them to be Florida.

07:49 Uh, I just think Florida is the better team.

07:52 I think they're proven they're in the process of proving that again against the Rangers.

07:57 Uh, and, but as far as the Bruins, I think, you know, there were a lot of positives, uh,

08:03 this season.

08:04 Swainman obviously had a, had a terrific season, uh, a great playoff.

08:10 Uh, you know, both goalies were, were tremendous.

08:14 Um, they work some kids into the lineup.

08:18 Uh, you know, uh, Mason Lowry over, you know, overcame his, uh, or, or grew, I guess is

08:26 the right way to term it, uh, as the season went on and really in the playoffs, he really

08:31 showed flashes that, uh, that he's going to be a factor in the, in the next few seasons.

08:36 That was great to see Johnny Beecher.

08:38 You know, we didn't spend the whole year up top, but certainly you, I think you gotta

08:44 be happy with, uh, with the progress he made and where he stands, uh, going into his second

08:50 year in the NHL and the guys that they kind of plucked out of, uh, obscurity a little

08:55 bit, the, the guys like, uh, you know, Andrew Peake turned out to be a good pickup.

09:01 Uh, you know, Parker Wotherspoon, you know, I, after years of watching him play for Bridgeport,

09:09 I never occurred to me that this guy could do what he did for, for the Bruins, but he

09:14 was good.

09:15 Uh, so I mean, overall, I, I think, uh, I think you gotta be happy with it or satisfied

09:25 with it.

09:26 Yeah.

09:27 They, they, they weren't real cup contenders.

09:29 I don't, I don't think I never thought that they were, but, uh, I liked the way that they

09:34 hung in, uh, through, you know, just some horrendous refereeing calls that went against

09:41 them, but they hung in and, and they, uh, you know, they certainly, uh, gave Florida

09:47 a terrific series.

09:49 And I, I think, uh, that speaks to, uh, you know, the captain and the coaching staff and

09:56 all of that.

09:57 They, they, uh, there's plenty there to, uh, to build on going forward.

10:03 I mean, I think if we went back to September with the way the roster was with what they

10:08 had lost and, you know, future us told September 2023 us and said, this team is going to be

10:16 in first place for most of the year.

10:18 They're going to finish in second.

10:20 They're going to beat the Maple Leafs in the first round, and they're going to put up a

10:22 fight against Florida in the second.

10:25 And you know, you said, and we said all the things you just mentioned of low Ryan, Patra

10:30 showed you flashes at the beginning and Swain and became the guy in the playoffs and like

10:35 all these different things, you'd be like, Oh my God, that's terrific.

10:38 Like, and, and, and obviously you want to contend for cups and the Bruins, you know,

10:43 definitely let opportunities pass them by against Florida.

10:47 And at times in games five, uh, in six against Toronto, for sure.

10:50 I mean, you know, they were not a perfect team, but I think when you look at sort of

10:54 the grand scope of it, you can't be mad at it.

10:57 And I know that, you know, obviously we have high expectations, but I just think given

11:01 what those expectations were at the beginning of the year, um, I think they surpassed them.

11:07 And I, and, and, you know, I think the fact that now, you know, Jeremy Swain can be the

11:12 guy.

11:13 Now you know, Mason low, right?

11:15 At least showed longterm flashes of being a top four left shot defenseman.

11:20 I mean, you know, um, defenseman, you know, the Bruins had defense in the past look outstanding

11:25 and playoff series before think about like Charlie McAvoy in 2017, Tory Krug in 2013.

11:32 It's on a smaller scale, but like Connor Clifton in 2019, uh, you know, burst in and made an

11:37 impact.

11:38 Um, I think low rise up with, you know, more on the Krug and McAvoy side of like, this

11:44 guy is legit now.

11:46 Like it's a real chance.

11:48 He's a top four guy for them.

11:49 I don't know if he's top four out of camp next year and we can get into that in a bit,

11:54 but you, you know, that I think the ceiling with him is really exciting now.

12:00 It is.

12:01 And you know, the, the way he is, his, you know, the way his offensive brain works, uh,

12:06 you know, there aren't guys, there aren't a lot of guys that, uh, that think the way

12:11 he does.

12:12 I don't think when, when he gets the puck and you know, some of the guys around the

12:17 Bruins, the development people, even going back, I don't know, two years ago, we're like,

12:25 this kid wants to make a difference every time he gets on the ice, he wants to make

12:30 a difference.

12:31 And that sometimes that's great.

12:34 There's other times when maybe it's not, there were times, there are a lot of times when

12:38 it's not, you know, the, the coaching staff didn't quite come, didn't quite come right

12:44 out and say it, but you know, some of the, some of the moves he tried were, uh, not a

12:49 good idea.

12:50 And, uh, but he, but he reigned that in as the season went on.

12:55 Uh, but I mean, his offensive brain and the, the way, the way he can move for a guy, his

13:01 size is, uh, is really an eye opener.

13:05 Um, and you know, one thing going forward that I, I'm sure this will, this will come

13:13 up and people will complain about it or, or projected.

13:17 And while I wish he was a little harder defending, I wish it was a little harder clearing the

13:22 front of the net.

13:23 I wish he was a little more physical.

13:25 Well, I don't think that's who he is.

13:28 You know, I don't think he's going to be a guy in front of the net that just cleans house.

13:33 Uh, so I'm looking at him as I'm, I'm happy with what he is and, and not looking at what

13:40 he isn't at this point.

13:43 You know, if he can continue to develop that offensive mindset and that offensive brain

13:49 and the timing of knowing when to, when to jump, when to hang back, uh, he's going to

13:55 be a good player for them for a long time.

13:57 There's something that low-rise can bring to this team as soon as next year that I think

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15:34 So one of the big issues the Bruins had in the playoffs and throughout the season was

15:38 the power play, um, and especially Charlie McAvoy running it, uh, at the top.

15:45 And there were, you know, question marks about that and they had some issues with that.

15:49 I think your potential future power play quarterback for that first unit probably should be low

15:57 rye.

15:58 I mean, given the way he plays, uh, I know, I don't know if I've, I probably talked about

16:01 this with you, but like McAvoy has so many duties in terms of penalty killing, hard five

16:07 on five matchups, playing physical.

16:10 Um, I know he's the highest paid defense when they have, but if you can take the power play

16:16 off his plate a little bit and give it to low rye, I think you see dividends there as

16:20 soon as next year.

16:22 I agree.

16:24 I think, uh, that, uh, you know, Charlie, you know, let's face it a lot of the time

16:33 he's, you know, you, you, you want more from him on the power play.

16:37 You want more from the power play and maybe it starts with him.

16:41 So, you know, having low rye, maybe take over those duties or kind of ease into them maybe

16:48 at the start of next year could be, uh, could be a positive and, you know, having too much

16:55 on his plate, you know, Charlie, I mean, so Ray Bork was a guy who did it all right.

17:02 He defended, he was on the power play.

17:04 He drove the offense from, from the back end, you know, and what is a hall of famer, obviously,

17:11 but, uh, you know, should we be, why, why should we expect Charlie McAvoy to, you know,

17:19 to reach that level or to, you know, to get to that, that point?

17:24 He's a terrific player, uh, and just entering the prime of his career.

17:30 He doesn't have to be Ray Bork.

17:31 He doesn't have to be, you know, an all timer, uh, in terms of doing everything, defending,

17:38 driving offense, all of it, uh, leadership, you know, let him, uh, take that power play

17:45 off his plate and, uh, see if that, you know, that, that might help him and it might help

17:50 the power play.

17:51 And again, he can still do the second unit.

17:55 And I think, uh, he'll get his time.

17:57 Yeah.

17:58 And I think, you know, if he forces it in and all that stuff, like might be back on

18:01 it.

18:02 I just think you got to change something.

18:04 And obviously I think they'll have different personnel next year.

18:06 We'll get to that in a second.

18:08 Um, but I think with low riot, least you have a power play quarterback, someone who can

18:14 drive off and someone who can facilitate someone who's not afraid to shoot from the point.

18:19 Um, and I think that's a good thing.

18:21 I think that's a positive to have now going forward in your system and he's like six,

18:26 five.

18:27 So you do have that as he has good reach and, and he has great hands for someone of that

18:31 size.

18:32 Yeah, he really does.

18:34 He really does.

18:35 And I just don't see that in players, uh, like, like him, uh, you know, I don't know.

18:44 I hesitate to use the term unicorn because that's maybe that's a little over, uh, overused

18:49 sometimes in, uh, talking about young players, but he can do things that other guys can't

18:54 do.

18:55 So, uh, it's going to be fun to see how he develops here going forward.

19:00 It's interesting.

19:01 I watch a lot of prospects who are in their draft year, obviously locally, especially

19:06 we watch a lot of those guys.

19:07 And oftentimes when you talk to scouts, you know, you hear you want picks that are easy

19:14 to defend no matter what they turn out to be.

19:18 You know, if a player is big, if a player is really fast, different things, the, the

19:23 size element is always a thing.

19:25 The size element, cause you can defend that.

19:27 Oh, he was six, three.

19:28 He was six or he was six, five.

19:31 I wanted to see what they're, you know, a chance on him.

19:33 Like Dean Latorno is a big one this year.

19:35 There's a lot of debate around whether or not he's a first round pick.

19:37 So for those who don't know, Dean Latorno is, I think he's six, seven.

19:40 He was the St. Andrews college this year.

19:42 Uh, they play a lot of prep teams, just a U 18 guy.

19:46 Um, center right shot, really skilled, put up like 80 points in 30 games, absurd numbers.

19:54 And there's a lot of question marks around.

19:56 Is he a first round pick or is he not?

19:57 Because he's still so raw.

19:58 He's six, seven and he's like 18 years old.

20:00 Like that you're going to be raw at that size, at that age.

20:04 And I wonder like, you know, when apparently it seems to be, you know, when Lowry was drafted,

20:09 I think it was a similar thing of, Hey, this is a defense, a defenseman who just became

20:13 a defenseman.

20:14 He's six, five.

20:16 He's raw, but he's very talented offensively.

20:19 Let's take a flyer on it.

20:20 Let's take a chance on him.

20:21 And they took him in the second round.

20:24 So again, that looks to be something that's aging.

20:26 Well, it's aging like fine wine instead of aging like milk, which is a, which is, which

20:31 is a good thing.

20:32 Um, I want to get into the off season.

20:35 I want to talk guys, uh, that, that you like, what, what, what are positions of need for

20:40 them?

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22:36 The off season.

22:37 It's quite the topic, isn't it?

22:40 It's the only topic really.

22:41 So I guess that's what we're going on.

22:44 Well, and they have so much cap space all of a sudden, which hasn't been in the past.

22:54 They've been shopping at the dollar store a lot of times and they got some great buys

23:01 there in some cases, but now they can kind of move up to, I don't know, the Chestnut

23:07 Hill Mall and do some shopping there.

23:12 Not have to worry about the salary cap.

23:17 So it's going to be interesting.

23:19 And I think this has been pointed out several times by other people, I think, and I'll join

23:28 in.

23:29 It's not going to be as good as a lot of fans think it's going to be.

23:34 I don't think they're going to get Jake Ensel.

23:38 I don't think you're going to get, you know, Stephen Stamkos is not coming here.

23:45 I don't think.

23:46 I could be completely wrong.

23:47 He'll be.

23:48 You know, and even if he wanted to, you know, isn't the best part of his career, like in

23:55 the rear view mirror?

23:56 You know, I mean, not to get off on a tangent on that, but you know, the guys I like are

24:04 guys like, you know, I like Tyler Bertuzzi.

24:10 I like what he brings, you know, the attitude, the mindset.

24:15 You know, I think he showed that against the Bruins in the playoffs.

24:19 You know, he's not a perfect player by any stretch.

24:25 He has flaws, but I thought he was good in his brief stretch here last season or two

24:32 seasons ago, and I think he could help again at the right price, at a reasonable price.

24:43 Brady Shea is another guy I really like, you know, they talked about, you know, Cam Neely

24:49 talked about getting faster.

24:53 And while I suspect he was talking more about forwards and about defensemen, you know, great.

24:58 Brady Shea is such a terrific skater.

25:01 I think he'd be an asset to have back there.

25:05 As far as the forwards, obviously they got to get a top flight center.

25:10 That aligned driving center is what they're really lacking that.

25:18 Maybe Lindholm is the answer if he isn't looking for, you know, we don't know what the expectations

25:26 are for some of these free agents.

25:28 Are they looking, is Lindholm looking for 11 million a year for five years or something

25:34 like that?

25:35 Well, if that's the case, then scratch him off the list.

25:38 Have fun in Detroit.

25:39 Get ready to learn Detroit Red Wings, buddy.

25:42 Yeah.

25:43 And so, I mean, I'll be curious to see what are they willing to pay?

25:47 Are they going to make, would they make somebody a top center coming here?

25:53 Would they make him the highest paid guy on the team?

25:56 Would they give him more than pasta?

25:58 Would they, you know, where would he slot in, in the salary structure?

26:03 So I think Lindholm would be a good fit.

26:11 You know, there's other guys out there who would help certainly.

26:15 And there's probably someone that may be a trade or I guess would have to be a trade,

26:21 but there'll be, there could be some under the radar guy.

26:25 You know, the Bruins have done this a bunch of times.

26:29 The guy that ends up coming here is someone you never thought of.

26:32 Oh my God.

26:33 Every time.

26:34 So maybe that'll happen.

26:36 Maybe they'll package Olmark and maybe some other assets and bring in a guy who none of

26:43 us ever thought of.

26:44 But it's going to be fun, you know, starting July 1 and going forward as the summer goes.

26:52 It's going to be, the rumors are going to be flying.

26:54 There's already rumors out there, obviously some ridiculous, some not so ridiculous, but

27:00 I love Swedes talking about how, you know, almost appreciating the ridiculous rumors

27:07 and saying that it keeps attention on the team and all that, even though some of them

27:13 are obviously far-fetched.

27:16 I love the rumors keep us going on like this podcast.

27:19 I do whole shows on rumors.

27:20 I mean, it's perfect for May, June, July.

27:24 Just keep them coming.

27:25 We got to start some for our sake.

27:26 We got to just start throwing stuff out there.

27:28 You know, that's always a good, it's always a good way to do things.

27:30 I'm kidding.

27:31 Of course.

27:32 You mentioned some interesting points in there.

27:36 Brady Shea, that's a name I have not heard brought up for many guests I've had on.

27:43 It seems to me like I've been more advocating on defense for a veteran guy like a Brendan

27:49 Dillon.

27:50 I like him.

27:52 I like what he brings.

27:53 I like his track record to me because of what low-rise can be.

27:57 I think on defense, I would rather spend less, get a veteran.

28:02 Again, I don't know what Dylan's going to cost you, but I think I'd rather have, you

28:06 know, to start the season.

28:08 Let's just say hypothetically, Dylan McAvoy, land home, Carlo low-rise peak as your six.

28:13 And then if low-rise continues to progress, well, that's an easy thing.

28:17 You can put them right up with McAvoy, bring Dylan down to the third pairing and that's

28:20 okay.

28:21 Shea is tough, I think, because Shea is going to get paid.

28:24 And I agree with you, I think it'd be a wonderful addition.

28:27 I just don't know with low-rise coming up, is it worth it for that?

28:32 Now, clearly they are interested in top four left shot defensemen.

28:35 I think they were in on Hannafin and clearly would not mind another guy.

28:41 Do you think that could happen, where they go with a guy like Shea?

28:46 I have no idea.

28:48 No idea.

28:49 That's just somebody I like and I've always liked, you know, from his time when he played

28:55 in the American league.

28:58 But you know, you can't have too many, you know, not to dip into the barrel of cliches

29:05 here, but you can't have too many good defensemen.

29:07 I agree.

29:08 I agree.

29:09 And, you know, a guy who can skate like he can and can move the puck like he can would

29:14 help.

29:16 Obviously, it depends on where he would fit in the, how much are you willing to give that

29:22 guy?

29:23 You know, I think he's 30 years old.

29:25 So you know, what are you going to give him?

29:30 How many years, how much money, that will factor into whether that's a realistic, you

29:37 know, hope.

29:39 But you know, Brendan Dillon, I've never, I think Ryan Moujonel, the Providence coach,

29:48 worked with Brendan Dillon when in the San Jose organization.

29:52 And I know someone else in the pro game who says that Brendan Dillon is like the best

30:00 teammate and the best guy.

30:03 No doubt he would be a good pickup.

30:07 I was worried you'd be like, I heard he was the worst person.

30:10 Damn it.

30:11 All right, cross him off the list.

30:14 That's good to hear.

30:15 How old is he though?

30:16 Isn't he like 33?

30:19 He's older.

30:20 I'll look it up.

30:21 He, I think he's like 34.

30:24 He's 33.

30:25 Okay.

30:26 So, you know, my, I guess my fear or my, I would be apprehensive that, you know, would

30:37 he, would he turn into the next Derek Ford or would he be a whipping boy in short order?

30:45 Sorry, my phone's going off here.

30:48 That's fine.

30:49 That would worry me.

30:50 I mean, I agree with you.

30:51 I agree.

30:52 But for, I think they're different.

30:53 I think they're, they're different in that sense.

30:55 Well, I think, I think Dylan is, is not that, I mean, Forbert was a tough, was a tough guy,

31:03 but I think Dylan's on another level from where Forbert was in terms of fighting and

31:07 stuff like that.

31:09 But I mean, I wouldn't be against Brendan Dillon.

31:13 I, you know, I think that kind of a physical player would be an asset certainly.

31:21 And when you look at these playoffs, you know, and you need guys like that, let's face it,

31:28 you need guys, you need guys that will, that will bang and are willing to fight and will

31:35 stick up for their teammates.

31:36 And he certainly fits that category.

31:39 I agree.

31:40 I mean, the athletic has, Shea is the fifth best free agent and they have this projected

31:44 next contract at seven years, 7.4 million annually, which is, that's a hefty price.

31:49 That's a lot of money.

31:51 But you know, someone will give it to him.

31:53 I just don't, again, I think the Bruins like that, to me, that money should be spent upfront

31:58 on a guy like Lindholm, I think.

31:59 Yes, I agree.

32:01 You got to, you got to slot, if you're going to go after a guy like Shea or someone similar,

32:09 you got to slot that, make sure that fits in the salary structure.

32:12 And if, if you're giving him that much money, then he probably doesn't fit with Boston.

32:17 Yeah.

32:18 And I, you know, I think they have Lindholm at, they have his projected next contract

32:24 at, I just had it.

32:26 I don't know what the article that has it now has previous contract in the space that

32:31 used to say projected next contract.

32:33 So I think the projected next contract for Lindholm, they have it like seven years, 7.9

32:38 million, which again, I'm fine with.

32:41 I agree with you.

32:42 I think that, you know, money needs to be spent getting a line driving center.

32:46 Now you bring up an interesting point of like, would they pay someone more than Pasternak

32:51 and judging by the free agent class of centers, right?

32:54 Lindholm, Chandler Stevenson, who I also really like, he's a guy I think that would bring

32:58 up speed.

32:59 Yup.

33:00 I don't think you're paying more than Pasternak for those guys.

33:03 I don't, and Lindholm is right there with them.

33:05 I don't think you're paying more than.

33:06 Yeah, I don't think anyone's getting more than pasta.

33:09 I, you know, that just would, that would be unbrewing like to, to make a move like that.

33:16 That's just not how they've done business.

33:19 So I like Chandler Stevenson.

33:21 I think that would be a terrific, he's not a number one center.

33:26 Is he a number two center?

33:27 Well, I don't know.

33:28 I guess you can debate that, but he's a very good player.

33:31 He certainly brings speed.

33:34 He brings a lot of speed.

33:37 So I, you know, again, depending on the, how much money you're giving him and what the

33:42 term is, you know, I think he'd improve the, he'd improve the team without a doubt.

33:49 So you, we mentioned rumors and the fun one right now is, I don't know if you saw this

33:54 one in the Ottawa Sun, Lena Solmark to the senators for Jacob Chikran, a first round

34:00 pick and another draft selection.

34:05 That's a very high price.

34:07 So my, what I saw, it is a high price and you know, you got a new GM going in there

34:14 in, in Steve Stahos or is this title GM?

34:18 I don't know, but he's at the top of the, he's the guy making the deals in any case.

34:25 I don't know if it is, is that the trade you want to make right out of the gate when you're

34:30 a new, a new guy in that decision-making hierarchy?

34:34 I don't know.

34:35 I don't know.

34:36 I can't figure that out.

34:37 But the most attractive thing to me, my eyes lit up when I saw a first round draft pick.

34:44 I would first round draft pick.

34:47 Ottawa has a lot of young players in the pipeline.

34:50 I believe they have a lot of picks.

34:53 I mean, that would be, that would be what I would like to see as a first round draft

35:02 pick.

35:03 Does that make the Bruins better next year?

35:06 Probably not.

35:07 Probably not.

35:08 It's probably the pick would be someone who's, you know, playing junior hockey or college

35:13 hockey next year.

35:14 Not a guy who's stepping into your lineup.

35:17 So there's that.

35:18 Chickren.

35:19 Yeah.

35:20 I mean, you know, he's a good player.

35:24 He, no, don't get me wrong, but you know, why does this guy keep getting traded so much?

35:29 I know.

35:30 You know, like that's the thing.

35:32 I don't know.

35:36 So I would rather, I would myself, I would rather have the first round pick and maybe

35:41 another pick or, and or prospect.

35:45 And if you can get that, I I'd like that, but that's not going to make it better next

35:51 year.

35:52 But I think clearly, I mean, all mark, they, they can't, they can't do the two goalie thing

35:59 again.

36:00 They got to, that was great.

36:03 It's been great, but it's time to time to have Swainman be clearly the number one guy,

36:11 have Bussie be the backup and get, you know, hopefully a hall for for all mark, but it

36:20 won't be as much as, you know, when they may, if, and when they make this deal, I can hear

36:25 the afternoon radio show now bashing the Bruins for not getting more.

36:31 Oh yeah.

36:33 I can pencil that segment in right now.

36:35 That's going to, whenever that's going to be a great, yeah, the Bruins blew it.

36:40 Yeah.

36:41 You know, they, they didn't get enough.

36:43 They didn't get enough, you know?

36:45 So I don't know.

36:48 Like I said, the draft pick may makes my, uh, my eyes light up cause they really need,

36:54 they really need a, uh, a top young prospect.

36:59 That's something they don't have at this point and without any picks, it's tough to, uh,

37:05 you know, tough to find those guys.

37:07 Uh, you, you're not going to find those guys in the late in the later rounds.

37:11 You just not.

37:12 And you just hit an interesting point.

37:14 Cause I've been saying all along, if you can get a first for all mark, you take it.

37:18 That's why like Colorado has a first, like all, you know, do it for a first.

37:22 You need it.

37:23 You need to be picking high in the draft.

37:24 You need an influx of young talent, but in terms of getting better for next year, I think

37:28 that added cap space makes you better next year.

37:31 Cause you can go out and trade when else you sign a free agency.

37:35 So like if you can, if you can free up 5.25 million in cap space, I think that's where

37:40 you get better for next year.

37:41 So that's why I'm fine.

37:42 If you want to trade all mark for a first and like a fourth, like auto, you know, again,

37:46 I doubt it'll be Ottawa cause I doubt he would accept a trade there.

37:49 They have two firsts than this draft and they have four fourths.

37:53 Now the Bruins need high draft picks, but if it was a first round pick and a fourth,

37:58 let's just say empathetically, like I'm okay with that.

38:00 If you want to do a first round pick and a prospect, I'm good with that.

38:04 Now I know that people want like, you know, Lena, so Mark for a top six center and a first

38:10 and this is like, if that trade pops up, then sure.

38:13 Or like you want to do something with Marty nature's down in Carolina.

38:16 Okay.

38:17 But this team does need a first.

38:20 This team needs to pick a high level player.

38:23 They need to do it.

38:24 It's been too long since they've done it.

38:26 Um, well one thing Ottawa has is, uh, and he's not, I wouldn't say he's a, he's a number

38:33 one center, but you know, Shane Pinto is a, is a really good player, really good young

38:39 player.

38:40 Uh, probably a number two center.

38:43 Uh, you know, if they got him, you know, I'm kind of thinking out loud here.

38:53 He wouldn't all Mark for Pinto.

38:56 That's not going to fly.

38:57 Uh, you need more than that.

38:59 But what if he was part of it?

39:01 You know, that, uh, that could work.

39:03 That could work.

39:04 You get a young, a top, a top pick and a good young player like Pinto, you know, that's

39:11 not bad.

39:12 That's not bad.

39:13 No, the gambling, the gambling stuff aside, you know, we're not, I'm not even going to

39:18 touch that because I don't know what the hell happened there.

39:20 I don't think anybody does.

39:23 But uh, he's a terrific, he'd be a terrific Bruin.

39:27 Uh, Pinto would, he would be, and he's big too.

39:31 So you do the size things, six, three.

39:34 Um, I think it works.

39:36 And the other thing I mentioned this to Connor Ryan on poke the bear about Ottawa.

39:39 And again, this all hinges on Omar accepting a trade there, which I doubt he would, I think

39:43 it'd be more likely it'd be like Carolina or New Jersey or a team that's just competitive.

39:48 But the interesting thing about Ottawa is they do have like they have as met, they have

39:52 a lot of those young picks coming.

39:54 They have a lot of young players, but they also have current guys who are good to bring

39:58 it.

39:59 Oh, drew.

40:00 Yeah.

40:01 So I don't know, maybe there's a, they can convince them, you know, Ottawa might be kind

40:06 of, uh, uh, what's the word adamant about trying to compete now to satisfy a guy like

40:14 clow drew, um, again, I don't know, thinking out loud here with, with Ottawa stuff, but

40:19 along the lines of prospects, cause you just mentioned it.

40:23 And this has been a topic, a lot of people say, Oh, on defense, you don't need a Dylan.

40:28 You don't need a veteran.

40:29 Just bring up a guy.

40:30 Do the Bruins have anybody in Providence now?

40:32 I'm not counting Beecher or Lauco or low-rider Patra because they're up, but to the Bruins

40:38 have anybody now that can in Providence that can step in next year or could potentially

40:43 step in next year and make an impact off the top of my head?

40:48 I would say no.

40:49 Uh, but then, uh, you know, Parker Wallace spoon did it this year.

40:54 Uh, you know, after a starting in Providence, you know, there's a guy, Mike Callahan.

41:00 Okay.

41:01 I, I feel like he, uh, maybe didn't have the second half of the year that, uh, that it

41:07 looked like he was, he started off strong faded a little bit in the, you know, in the

41:13 second half.

41:14 Uh, I'm thinking maybe, maybe he could be the seventh D playing, you know, as needed,

41:24 but, uh, I wouldn't, uh, I wouldn't take that to the back by any, by any stretch, but in

41:30 terms of anyone else, no, I don't think they've, they've got, uh, guys down there that are

41:37 ready, ready to, uh, to step into an NHL lineup.

41:41 No.

41:42 What about Fabian Lysel?

41:44 Well, I'm kind of hoping that they pencil him in, in, in Boston to start the year.

41:50 One reason being I'm sick of watching them in Providence, you know, uh, and I I'm curious

41:58 to see how it would go in, in Boston, you know, excuse me.

42:06 Because, uh, you know, his, uh, it would be interesting to see if the coaching staff up

42:12 there, you know, what, what would their reaction be to this guy?

42:17 You know, that, you know, for lack of a better term, doesn't play the right way.

42:26 A lot of the time.

42:27 Okay.

42:28 The Bruins talk about that.

42:29 All coaches talk about playing the right way all the time.

42:33 You know, there's too little of that going on with, uh, with this kid.

42:38 Uh, and people, you know, like in the fan base, people are always making excuses for

42:45 him.

42:46 Oh, the Swedish world junior coach.

42:48 He didn't like him.

42:49 He, there was a personality thing there.

42:52 Then, uh, you know, the kid gets hurt and he, it takes him forever to get back in the

42:58 lineup and you know, the team really needs him.

43:01 And he's like, no, I'm not ready.

43:03 I'm not ready.

43:04 I mean, I want to see how that goes over at the NHL level.

43:09 I'm sure it'll go great.

43:10 Oh yeah.

43:11 Yeah.

43:12 And you know, the flip side of that, and this is another thing that the fans keep saying,

43:17 oh, he's young.

43:18 He's young.

43:19 Yeah.

43:20 He's young, but you know, is he all of a sudden going to be this totally committed, uh, blood

43:26 and guts type player?

43:27 Uh, if you put an, an NHL paycheck in front of them.

43:30 We can hope, but, uh, you know, I don't know.

43:35 I, I, I would like to see him in Boston just, just to see what happens, see what happens.

43:41 Oh, this is a kid who thought, came down to Providence talking about what a good camp

43:46 he had last fall.

43:47 Like there's kind of a self-awareness issue there that, you know, he didn't have a good

43:54 camp.

43:55 Nobody, he's the only one saying he had a good camp, but if he had a good camp, you

44:00 know, they're dying to plug a guy like that into the lineup in Boston and when he's ready.

44:06 Uh, so I mean, he's still a work in progress.

44:14 They have been patient.

44:15 They have been patient with him.

44:16 It's only been two years, but you know, at the end of two full years as a pro, even though

44:23 he's, yeah, he's young.

44:25 Uh, I would have hoped for more, uh, more progress from him, but, uh, we'll see.

44:31 Uh, I think he'll be, uh, a lot of eyes will be on him in training camp.

44:36 Uh, you know, thinking that this is the year and maybe it is.

44:40 I hope it is.

44:41 I hope he, uh, I hope he goes up there and turns into a, you know, everything that maybe

44:46 he hasn't been in the American league.

44:48 You know, that'd be great.

44:50 Yeah.

44:51 I want to see him up because I think the trade value is so low now that I don't think

44:55 it's like, I don't think he has any trade value.

44:57 Yeah.

44:58 I talked to pro Scouts all the time in Providence that watch them on a regular basis and he

45:05 doesn't have a lot of value.

45:06 You know, he just doesn't.

45:07 Well, that's the thing.

45:08 And I think a lot of people say, Oh, you know, you can use Lysell as a trade chip and yeah,

45:13 maybe you could two years ago.

45:14 I don't think that's the case anymore.

45:15 I think he's more of a throw in now, at least what is, and that's just stock.

45:19 If he turns into being a great NHL player, then awesome.

45:22 Like, yeah, but I'm saying right now there's not a lot of value.

45:25 Cause I, and I, I concur with you on that.

45:27 Um, and that's why I want to see him up here.

45:29 I think the problem is, I don't know if they have the spots cause you know, is he going

45:34 to be a fourth liner?

45:36 I don't know.

45:37 Like your third line, it seems pretty set for next year with Frederick, um, potentially

45:41 Patra unless he starts the year in Providence, which could be, could do geeky.

45:46 Um, Brazil, like you have, you're full of third line.

45:52 Lord knows you've got enough third liners sink a ship, but I, so I don't know where

45:56 he slots in.

45:57 That's the thing.

45:58 Well, and I mean, this phrase has come up a couple of times regarding him, uh, discussing

46:07 him with, uh, with pro scouts and executives and such is, uh, he's an independent contractor.

46:15 Okay.

46:16 He's an independent contractor and you know, boy, that goes against everything that the

46:22 Bruins like to think they stand for.

46:24 Right.

46:25 Team first, everyone pulling the rope and you know, so I, I mean, you know, like I said,

46:33 I hope, I hope he gets there and I hope he does well, but I'm skeptical.

46:40 And you know what, you watched him for two years now.

46:42 So you get to be skeptical.

46:43 Like I, I, I completely, I get that.

46:46 I completely agree with it.

46:47 Um, yeah, it should be interesting what happens with Lysell independent contractors, a hell

46:52 of a way to describe independent countries.

46:56 He does his own thing.

46:59 He does his own thing.

47:01 Um, anyways, uh, Mark, what can the people look forward to from you over the summer and

47:07 into the fall?

47:08 Uh, probably not a lot.

47:12 Uh, I, uh, I'll be on here.

47:16 You'll be on here.

47:17 Yeah, I'll be on, uh, I'll be on here.

47:21 I'm going to a development camp.

47:24 If, uh, you know, will they have prospects there?

47:29 Will they have draft picks there?

47:31 Well, that would be nice, but I think it's going to be a lot of familiar faces.

47:35 Uh, you know, the guys we saw last year, maybe a couple sprinkled in, uh, from the most recent

47:41 draft, but the guy I'm really, and you know, not to go off on a tangent here, but the guy

47:48 I'm excited to see at development camp is a kid named Gleb Verameev from Colorado college.

47:55 Excuse me, undrafted big kid, six, three, six, four power winger.

48:01 You know, not the great, he's not a, uh, you know, he's not a kid with a set of golden

48:07 hands, but his hands are good enough and I think he'll be a top free agent, uh, in college

48:13 hockey this coming season.

48:15 He's coming to Bruins camp.

48:16 I think that he'll be, uh, he'll be a player to watch.

48:20 Uh, yeah, of course, coming to camp doesn't, you know, you like to think it gives them

48:25 maybe an inside track and signing him, but you know, they had Reese Gaber here.

48:31 They had, uh, Ben Myers here in recent years, you know, top guys in the free agent market,

48:37 uh, in college and neither one of them ended up here.

48:41 So, you know, you can't really count on the fact that he's coming to mean that, you know,

48:48 at the end of next season, he's gonna, he's gonna land a show contract with Boston, but

48:54 it'll be good to see him, see him up close and you know, what he brings.

48:58 I think, uh, you know, I'm, I'm looking forward to that, uh, you know, at that development

49:04 camp.

49:05 Uh, and geez, I don't have a lot else on the plate, uh, this summer.

49:10 It's going to be, uh, it's going to be a lot of, uh, a lot of, uh, rest and relaxation.

49:16 I guess I got, I got my, uh, I got my tomatoes in the ground.

49:20 I got my pumpkins, you know, growing.

49:23 So, uh, you know, think of me like, uh, in the, uh, in the godfather when, uh, when he's

49:31 in the tomato garden with his grandson, uh, godfather with the, the hat, the sun hat,

49:39 uh, that's going to, I'm going to be striking that pose.

49:42 Uh, my granddaughter is going to be running around in and out of the, uh, the tomatoes

49:47 and I'm just going to be sitting there maybe drinking some wine, you know, who knows?

49:50 Yeah.

49:51 Let's get some wine.

49:52 Why not?

49:53 Why not?

49:54 Come on.

49:55 You deserve it.

49:56 Um, that's perfect.

49:57 And you'll be at the Foxborough sports center every Wednesday with me.

50:00 So I will.

50:01 And you know, the rosters there, uh, that's going to be fun.

50:05 That's going to be fun.

50:06 Yeah.

50:07 No good.

50:08 Oh, nines.

50:09 A lot of those kids, you know, will be, there'll be, as we know from past experience, there'll

50:17 be weeks where nobody's there cause they're all at national camp.

50:21 But, uh, you know, there's going to be a lot of good players there.

50:25 A lot of, a lot of, uh, fun players to watch and see.

50:29 And kids will, kids will come out of nowhere.

50:31 Kids we didn't know cause we didn't expect much up, much of will, uh, will emerge and

50:37 it should be fun.

50:38 It, uh, it always is.

50:40 It always is.

50:41 It always is.

50:42 And it's, you're right.

50:43 It's good to see kind of for the next season.

50:44 Uh, and there's a lot, I mean, you been there way longer than I have there.

50:49 Lots of former NHLers have gone through there.

50:51 Um, so it's always a fun event to watch and to see kind of the future.

50:56 Um, anyways, Mark, always a pleasure.

51:00 Uh, that's been this week's Brisby presented by prize picks and game time.

51:04 I'm Evan Baranofsky, Brisby listeners.

51:06 Have a great rest of your week.

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