Well, the inevitable has happened. The Boston Celtics are facing the Miami Heat in round 1 of the 2024 NBA Playoffs. Dan Greenberg of Barstool Sports joins us to preview a PTSD-inducing series. How will this matchup compare to last year? Is Kristaps Porzingis up to the challenge? Do Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown understand the assignment? What devil magic can Eric Spoelstra and the Heat pull off despite an injured Jimmy Butler? Given the history between these teams, there's much to discuss.
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00:00:25 What is up? First to the floor, playoffs are here. The Celtics haven't played a
00:00:31 meaningful basketball game in what feels like 24 years. I'm joined by Wayne
00:00:35 Spooney but we got a special guest. Barstool, Dan Greenberg, Greeny, how you
00:00:40 doing friend? I'm nervous as shit. I'm anxious, nervous. I feel like we're all in the same boat at this moment in time.
00:00:48 We got these bums dude. We got that. So I've uh check it out tomorrow on Celtics
00:00:54 Blog. Got a series preview coming up. I watched a lot of the Heat Celtics game,
00:00:59 the most recent one where Jimmy Butler did not play. So I feel like it makes a
00:01:02 lot of sense to focus on that one. There, we got him. It's fine. You can see how they played against Philly.
00:01:08 I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. I'm sorry. Keep happening Greeny. I'm not doing it.
00:01:14 Listen, in a year as important as this, I am respecting the opponent. I am respecting
00:01:20 the basketball gods. I have seen Miami count it out and go into Boston and the
00:01:26 Celtics shoot 20% in the first quarter and they can't stop Tyler Harrell. I've
00:01:31 seen it. I'm not doing it. This is too important. It's too important. Respect them.
00:01:37 Yeah, I'm with Spooney. It's like objectively, analytically, I understand
00:01:42 there's a reason the Heat are like 17 to 1 underdogs to win the series. I get
00:01:48 that. But this episode, this time last year, Greeny was on. We were previewing
00:01:54 the Hawks series and I was like... I don't even know what I said. You were similar to this. You were like, I'm just
00:02:01 taking it one win at a time. And like going into the year previous, like the
00:02:05 22 finals run, I was insanely confident. And then coming back to last year, I was
00:02:10 very confident. I've learned my lesson as far as just like, just I'm just taking
00:02:15 everything one game at a time. I do think that the team has probably
00:02:22 learned their lesson as well. Tatum has specifically mentioned the
00:02:26 Hawks series as like maybe taking things for granted, trying to get back to the
00:02:29 finals and not skipping steps this year. So I think everyone's gonna be in
00:02:34 the same boat where it's like, I don't care who's playing for the Heat. It almost
00:02:37 doesn't feel like it matters. Of the three games we played against the
00:02:42 Heat, we won all three. Ironically though, the Tyler Herro game with no Jimmy
00:02:46 Butler was the closest of the three games, Spoonie. Yeah, good. That's what we
00:02:50 want. We want the Heat thinking they're positive and they can beat us
00:02:54 without Jimmy Butler. So I don't know. You just know Jovic is
00:02:58 gonna like come in and go like six or ten from three in game one. Yeah, you just
00:03:03 have to understand that like... And I did the same thing, right? I look back and
00:03:07 I'm like, "Damn, Celts put up 124 a night, over 50 from the field. Every player
00:03:13 was like over 50, 60% shooting. I just... You can't put stock into it. You
00:03:20 have to understand that, you know, there's this heightened... How many times have we
00:03:26 seen this? I mean, we saw it in game seven, right? We have all this momentum.
00:03:29 We're feeling great. The garden's juiced and they can't make a shot to save their
00:03:34 life. Things start to get out of hand. You get tense. I just, you know, I'm
00:03:39 cautiously optimistic, right? Like there's the basketball side. It should be
00:03:44 fine. The matchup problems, they haven't shown any signs of having an answer for
00:03:49 Porzingis. Like, logic, I'd be with you, Spoonie, but this is dark magic that we are
00:03:55 dealing with. It's not a normal situation. Yeah, absolutely. Like, analytically, like
00:04:02 whatever the... I don't have a big chunk of my brain that's smart, but the smart
00:04:06 part of my brain is telling me like, you know, this team should win. But like, we've
00:04:11 gone through the Caleb Martin thing. He shoots 35% from three on the season,
00:04:15 which after shooting 50% in the conference finals, which just is so
00:04:20 painful. But okay, so this is... I looked it up. This is the Tetrology, not the
00:04:24 Trilogy. This is the fourth time the Celtics are playing the Heat, the
00:04:28 Tetrology. That's what it's called. That's what it's called. Apparently, it just
00:04:33 gets called the series usually after you get past the third thing, but we're
00:04:37 calling it the Tetrology. I think the question I want to ask, like, do we see
00:04:42 Jimmy Butler? Because my brain is just like, Embiid's fine, Giannis is gonna be
00:04:47 back, and Jimmy Butler is gonna be fine. I know he's been ruled out for tomorrow's
00:04:50 game specifically, but Greeny, do you think that we see Jimmy in this series?
00:04:55 Yes, they are the zombies. You can't kill him, okay? He's gonna play. That's why it's
00:05:03 important that you don't drop these first two games at home. Because I think
00:05:07 there's, what, two or three games, two or three days in between each? So it's like,
00:05:11 is it inconceivable that he's back game four? I mean, who the hell knows? Maybe
00:05:16 they just inject his knee with God knows what, you know, some Pat Riley blood or
00:05:21 something? I don't know. That's another thing. I'm not ruling that out. I'm not ruling, you
00:05:28 know, I just think it's, it would be silly to think, oh, he's not gonna play,
00:05:32 they're not gonna be able to score a hundred points, and you're gonna cakewalk,
00:05:35 right? Like, if you look at this matchup, Tyler Harrow's gotten whatever he's
00:05:39 wanted in all three of these games. Over 24 game, decent, you know, respectable
00:05:45 percentages. Obviously, things will be different now that he's the sole focus,
00:05:49 and you can really, you know, take that away. But I just, you know, there was only
00:05:53 that one blowout in these three games, right? Like, the Celtics on two occasions
00:05:58 had to execute late down the stretch. Why wouldn't I think that that's gonna have
00:06:03 to be the case, you know, this year? If they come out and they hit 10 threes in
00:06:07 the first quarter, and we can all exhale? Like, that would be great. But I think
00:06:11 it's more realistic that we're at a six to eight point game with four minutes to
00:06:16 go, and you gotta close it out. Yeah, I think we'll see. But I feel like
00:06:22 Butler is, like, the target's probably, like, game four, if I had to guess. And if
00:06:25 it's 3-0 Celtics, he's not gonna play. But if we drop one of these first three
00:06:30 games, we're gonna see Jimmy Butler. And I don't know, like, Butler on one leg, or
00:06:36 how hurt he is. Like, I'm not sure how beneficial he's gonna be for the Heat,
00:06:39 but I think mentally, for the teammates and for the Celtics, it will probably
00:06:44 have an impact in that way. Plus, you know, he's gonna grift his way to, like,
00:06:47 12 free throws on one leg. It doesn't matter. That's what Jimmy Butler does. So,
00:06:51 I hope we don't see him, because I think that will mean it's 3-0 Celtics, and
00:06:56 then it's like, screw it. Let's just pack it in. It's over. But yeah, it, look, the
00:07:01 Black, it's just gotta end at some point, right? Like, it can't be played like this.
00:07:05 Yeah, you agree with that, right? Like, is this the Sox getting over the Yankees? The
00:07:10 Patriots getting over the Ravens? You know, the '08 Celtics getting past the
00:07:15 Pistons? You know, they have that history where it's like, okay, you know, at some
00:07:21 point you have to overcome the boogeyman, right? And we all thought that that
00:07:25 happened in 2022, right? Like, you go in there and you win Game 7, you're
00:07:30 thinking, okay, the Dragon is slayed, and that was not the case. Which is why I'm
00:07:35 entering this series thinking, you know, it's just as likely that we're in for
00:07:39 another seven-game series. And I know that there's nothing that supports that
00:07:43 other than just our own life experience. Yeah, so I mean, like, outside of the
00:07:49 Devil Magic, the PTSD, if we look at, like, the actual basketball stuff, so
00:07:54 obviously there's no Jimmy Butler. The Heat have struggled to really, I mean,
00:08:00 they got going in that Bulls game, but even in that first half, like, if
00:08:03 Chicago had been able to hit, like, they missed so many wide-open threes. I've
00:08:07 never seen so many threes go in and out. And again, you know, that feeling of the
00:08:10 Devil Magic is coming. But in that Sixers game, the only way they were able
00:08:14 to generate offense was by Sixers turnovers. So, I don't know, Greeny, I'll
00:08:18 throw it to you. If I had to choose one, like, a team factor, a team aspect of
00:08:23 the matchup going in, is there one thing you're like, if they can control this,
00:08:27 that's gonna be really impactful? Oh, yeah, I mean, it's turnovers and points
00:08:33 off turnovers, easily, right? If you look at every single game of these, you know,
00:08:38 last four playoffs, I bet you over 15 turnovers, the Celtics never win. Under
00:08:44 14 turnovers, I would imagine, they've either never lost or only lost once or
00:08:49 twice, you know, because the Heat's offense, like you said, it's, it relies on
00:08:55 the chaos, the transition, the points off turnovers, because if you force them to
00:09:00 beat you in the half court, that's just not how they, they can, you know, maybe go
00:09:05 on stretches, but just like we saw in the third quarter, I don't know if there's a
00:09:09 second or third quarter against the Bulls, where like, they scored 11 points in nine
00:09:14 minutes of the second quarter or whatever. All the Bulls had to do was hit an open
00:09:17 three, and they couldn't do it. So, when you play the Heat, it comes down to two
00:09:21 things. Keeping your turnovers low and making your open threes when they go
00:09:25 zone, and you break the zone and you swing the ball. If you can make your open
00:09:29 threes and you take care of the ball, they just can't generate enough points
00:09:33 to stay with you if you're not giving away 20 to 25 points a night through
00:09:38 turnovers. Yeah, for me, it's the matchup of the Celtics offense versus the Heat
00:09:43 defense, because you're right, that's how they fuel their offenses on the defensive
00:09:46 side of the ball. And if you score and make the Heat take the ball out of the
00:09:51 basket and run their half-court offense, you are going to win that game probably
00:09:55 by a lot. That's like, we saw most of Celtics wins against the Heat in the
00:09:59 playoffs are blowouts, and then the Heat scraped by with a couple
00:10:03 point wins or steal it in the fourth quarter, things like that. So, the Heat
00:10:08 have a legitimately great defense. I think they're a fourth or fifth, for cleaning the glass.
00:10:13 I think they cause the fourth most turnovers as a defense. So, that's
00:10:19 definitely the big thing. But the Celtics, especially I think KP is by
00:10:23 far the most important Celtic for this series, because he is the key to
00:10:28 unlocking that Miami defense. When they go that junk 3-2 zone, get it to him on
00:10:34 either isolate, run pick and roll, pick and pops with KP, or get it to him at
00:10:39 the nail. They have to send so much help to him at the nail,
00:10:43 because nobody on that team can guard him one-on-one in the high post. And then
00:10:47 he just picks out shooters, and that's how the Celtics can get them out of the
00:10:50 zone. Then they're playing man, then you just find Tyler Hero. And you make them switch.
00:10:56 And once you switch with Porzingis, they're dead. You know what I mean?
00:10:58 That's it. So much of this series, and pretty much every series
00:11:04 they'll probably play, is who's gonna handle the 7'2" unicorn?
00:11:09 Because if you have to dedicate too much attention to him, well now you're
00:11:13 getting killed by your two all-NBA wins. So, it's like, his health, obviously
00:11:18 we've been saying it since they traded for him, he is the one that unlocks
00:11:21 everything. If you can't go zone against his team, and you can't
00:11:25 switch against his team, how do you defend him? And those are the only things
00:11:29 that he can do to keep it close.
00:11:31 Yeah, it is funny. We traded for Porzingis, Brad traded for Porzingis
00:11:36 because he knew he was gonna be good overall. But, because we had just lost
00:11:39 to Miami in that first sit-down interview, Brad's like...
00:11:42 Yeah, I tweeted it out!
00:11:43 Yeah, I know. You tweeted it out.
00:11:44 It's the only thing you talked about.
00:11:45 He's like, "And by the way, we play Miami!"
00:11:48 And they just kicked our ass. It's like, yeah!
00:11:51 I'm not sure if you've noticed, we play Miami every year. So, we may as well
00:11:55 bring in the guy that should solve both the zone and the switching defense that
00:11:59 has given the Jays so many issues. Because that's the thing, right? Bam is
00:12:04 one of the best defenders in the NBA. When he's allowed to switch on to
00:12:08 whoever, the Jays, then he just causes them so many problems. He causes
00:12:12 everybody, I don't care which style player it is, he gives them problems.
00:12:15 But that means if he's not guarding, if he's guarding the Jays, I don't care
00:12:18 who else is guarding Porzingis. It could be... Their next big is Kevin Love.
00:12:22 Who's that? It's Kevin Love, right?
00:12:23 He's good though. Look, again, talking about respecting your opponent, he was
00:12:27 huge in the last Sixers game in the regular season. He was more impactful
00:12:31 than Bam in the Sixers game as well, because he stretches the floor.
00:12:35 Yeah, but if he's on Porzingis at this stage of Carillon's career, I am very
00:12:40 comfortable with that. So the turnovers is definitely the number one thing.
00:12:44 And getting those shots on goal, because even if you're getting threes, as long
00:12:49 as you're getting threes, and the reason we shoot so many threes, part of that
00:12:53 is you're able to set your defense. Even if you're missing those shots, if you're
00:12:57 taking threes, it's so much easier to get back. So getting shots on goal,
00:13:01 turning the ball over, and then offensive rebounds. It's not something that
00:13:05 the Heat have been really good at, but they were really good at it against
00:13:08 the Sixers. The Sixers are bad at rebounding. The Celtics were seventh in
00:13:12 defensive rebounding on the season. It fell off from February on. I do think
00:13:18 that was just kind of the season. The defense and the rebounding were 12 games
00:13:23 up on the East. Yeah. I believe in this team's ability to rebound. Jason Tatum,
00:13:27 when he gets to the playoffs, turns into one of the best rebounders at his
00:13:31 position in the NBA. So I do think they're going to be locked in from that
00:13:34 perspective. So rebounding would be the other thing.
00:13:36 Yeah, their rebounding is weird because it's like their defense is so good that
00:13:40 they force so many misses that their offensive rebound percent, like that
00:13:45 stuff is high. So it's like, man, they're at like the bottom of the league in
00:13:49 offensive rebounding, but they're number one in the league in total rebounding.
00:13:53 It's like, well, yeah, because they're forcing so many misses. And you've got
00:13:57 to think the Heat are looking at this like, I'm envisioning their approach is
00:14:01 going to try to be, let's recreate last year's Eastern Conference Finals. We need
00:14:05 to match the Celtics on our three point volume and they're going to live with
00:14:09 the results, right? They need Tyler Hero to make three, four or five threes.
00:14:14 They need Duncan Robinson to be taking eight, nine, ten threes because the
00:14:18 Celtics are going to shoot them because of the zone defense, right? Like you're
00:14:22 going to see a lot of pumping into Porzingis. They're going to collapse.
00:14:25 He's going to swing it. There's going to be one pass and it's going to be a
00:14:29 catch and shoot three. So that's why I'm just thinking if this is a game where
00:14:33 you get Miami hot to start the Celtics or maybe slow to make a basket to begin
00:14:39 the game, like those are just the type of black voodoo magic things that we are
00:14:43 used to where it's going to come down to if you're forcing all of these misses,
00:14:48 right? But you're then you're giving up offensive rebounds, right? We saw it in
00:14:52 all of their losses to end the season against the Hawks against the Knicks.
00:14:56 They were given up 15, 16, 17 offensive rebounds. You're just asking for a
00:15:00 prayer. Caleb Martin, second chance three that's contested that he makes and he's
00:15:06 going like this in your face. I hate that celebration. Yeah, dude, it's all about
00:15:12 the possession battle because that's the heat. Can't keep up with the Celtics.
00:15:15 Celtics offense. If we just like straight up one shot per one shot, they need to
00:15:20 generate more looks than the Celtics do in order to keep up with their offense.
00:15:24 But they're frigging good at doing that, which is what's annoying about them
00:15:28 because it feels fake, but it's very real. They've been doing it since Jimmy
00:15:32 Butler got there. They've been doing it for the last five years when we played
00:15:35 them in the playoffs. If they take care, if the Celtics take care of the defensive
00:15:40 glass and the heat are so big on taking away the initial like early first read
00:15:47 that first pass where it's like, oh, there's my escape valve right there. I
00:15:50 know it's always wide open. The heat do not give that to you. They like abandoned
00:15:54 the weak side defensively. So you need to like read that quick and make that like
00:15:59 cross court pass to the open shooter in the corner every single time. And that's
00:16:03 what's tough because your muscle memory is not to make that pass. It's like, OK,
00:16:07 here's the quick swing. I'll hit the guy in the pop or I'll dump it down. But
00:16:11 those aren't there against the heat. And that's why they just play defense
00:16:14 differently than every other team. But that corner shot is there. It's wide open
00:16:19 against the heat. And the biggest pass, the biggest difference will not be can
00:16:24 Jaylen figure it out? Yeah, there you go. There's the if that first initial reads
00:16:28 not going to be there. You know, how many times last series did we see him try to
00:16:33 beat his man driving to traffic? Like if he's going to be able to understand how
00:16:38 the defense is going to rotate and where his reads are going to be and he can keep
00:16:42 his turnovers low, then I think we'll all feel a lot better. I just think there's
00:16:46 that there's not just unknown. We have to see it. We you know, he talked about,
00:16:51 you know, learning from it and getting better and all that shit. And he was
00:16:54 great during the year. Well, everybody always knew it. The only thing that
00:16:58 mattered about his season was how he played once they eventually faced Miami.
00:17:02 And while there's no Jimmy Butler like Caleb Martin was able to guard him and
00:17:06 cause turnovers. You know, I don't think, you know, Terry Rozier or whoever is the
00:17:11 same sort of pesky defender that Lowry was, but like it's not going to shock me
00:17:16 if he pokes a ball loose here or there just because that's how things tend to go.
00:17:20 Yeah, I think yeah, that's a great call. Eric Weiss in the chat, the post-ups
00:17:24 something that they did a lot of through the first like half to two thirds of the
00:17:28 season felt like they kind of put it in their back pocket and we're like, okay,
00:17:32 and that's like something that I don't know why we weren't doing with Jalen
00:17:35 before, but when you talk about turnovers when he's posted up on the baseline,
00:17:39 that's just so much easier for him to not turn the ball over and he's become so
00:17:43 effective down there, whether it's the fadeaway or he just like takes these
00:17:47 powerful dribbles and then goes like the left or right hand with these little
00:17:50 floaters. That is definitely something that he did not have and not something
00:17:53 that he focused on in last year's playoffs. There's just something we got to
00:17:57 hit quickly here from Ben in the chat watching from home. So we always lose
00:18:03 when ex-Celtic stars are in attendance. If I agree and so have I'm not sure
00:18:08 what I'm saying. I've got the clip here from the big four are all together at
00:18:14 the moment.
00:18:15 Which is objectively awesome. I think I found my new playoff battle cry before
00:18:31 every game or after every win is like just chief saying we're fucking shit up.
00:18:35 I love that. But yeah, I mean like the ones that come to mind like the KG
00:18:40 retirement. I know Jalen when they were playing the Mavs, Jalen dunks on Maxi
00:18:45 Kleber, high fives KG in the crowd. They lose to a Luka Jancic game winner. I'm
00:18:49 blanking on the other ones at the top of my head.
00:18:51 He says they lost by, LeBron blew him out by like 30 on his jersey retirement.
00:18:57 I'm with you. I think everyone's always like, oh, Larry Burns, you got to come
00:19:01 back. No, never. Like watch it on TV. Don't even let his ass in Connecticut.
00:19:07 Yeah. No, I'm anti like it'd be cool. You get a huge, you know, pop in the
00:19:13 crowd. But like I can't remember the last time they won a huge game when all
00:19:17 the legends were back in the building. So this is why this season is different
00:19:20 though. All right, we're playing the heat in round one. We're going to cut
00:19:23 off the head of the devil magic. Larry Bird is like left French lick and come
00:19:27 to Boston since for the first time since he's retired. Pretty sure.
00:19:30 I want to know what his, what was his appearance fee to get him to get him in
00:19:36 the city in 40 years. And here he is at Dick's sporting good. I know. Right.
00:19:41 There's a good point from RJ may we should invite Patino to the arena that
00:19:44 we reverse. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So, um, defensive
00:19:52 game plan, initial matchups. I know in the discord people were kind of playing
00:19:56 around with who we want in certain players. Like, so Rosie is out for tomorrow.
00:20:00 Okay. Jimmy Butler's out for tomorrow and Cornette is out for tomorrow for,
00:20:04 with a cough thing, which I didn't, I mean, I'm considering him out for, I
00:20:08 don't think anyway. Well, I mean, a strained calf that's yeah. That's the
00:20:13 honest injury and his was two weeks. So yeah, so we are, I agree, which is a
00:20:17 bummer cause you'd be nice to have him just in case someone gets into foul
00:20:21 trouble obviously. Um, but then we have Tillman, but so kind of, you know, top
00:20:25 eight guys, initial game plan. Um, I'm a D white on hero guy. I know Jalen has
00:20:31 been the guy taking a lot of these matchups. I wonder if we do see that just
00:20:35 because of like wanting to set the tone early, but D white is cause like Tyler
00:20:41 hero doesn't really create in isolation. That's not really something he's really
00:20:45 capable of capable of, but he's awesome in the pick and roll. And Derek's just
00:20:49 like, he's the best screen navigator on the team. Well, that's going to be the
00:20:52 thing, right? I don't think it's going to be come down to who's guarding hero.
00:20:57 It's going to be, how did the Celtics handle BAMs moving screens to get around
00:21:01 him? Cause that's how hero gets into the paint. That's how he comes up, curls
00:21:05 into his pull up three. So it's like, I think you're going to see drew and him
00:21:09 interchange is just going to be, you know, who, who's having a better, you
00:21:14 know, who's executing the screen navigation better. I'm still nervous over
00:21:17 drew shoulder. I don't think we've really seen him fight over screens like he was
00:21:22 pre injury and we know what BAM is going to do. So I just, you know, I'm nervous
00:21:28 of that. I have a crazy idea. All right. The Jays on hero and BAM because their
00:21:35 offense is going to be BAM hero pick and roll handoff game. Like those two are
00:21:40 awesome at it, man. They have really good chemistry. So when they run that, you
00:21:44 can just switch it every time because both Jays can handle BAM in isolation and
00:21:49 they can handle hero in isolation. And it's like, then where do you go if they
00:21:53 shut that down with the switch game and KP is roaming off, you know, whoever
00:21:58 Jovich or whoever, you know, their fifth starter helping at the rim. So I think
00:22:02 like that, yeah, if you switch it every time and it stops you from having to get
00:22:08 over the top on the BAM illegal screens that he sets a hundred of, of a game and
00:22:13 you don't have to worry about trying to contest hero on like rear view contest
00:22:17 and stuff like that, because that, that doesn't really bother him. Like if he
00:22:20 gets to his spot, he's probably going to make the shot. Yeah. Yeah. That's a,
00:22:23 that's a great idea. Spoon. I hadn't thought of that. Cause I've, I've just
00:22:26 been like, you kind of, you want KP near the rim and they have, they have
00:22:29 shooters, but you can, I even hesitate to say you can put him on Caleb Martin.
00:22:35 You know, he's not the most, I know.
00:22:38 But that's what I'm saying. But then like, you know, so hero, I mean, and then
00:22:48 Duncan Robinson, who's questionable, but I'm guessing he played, he played in
00:22:51 the bulls game. It becomes tricky of like, where do you put KP? Right. Cause
00:22:55 I, he can kind of hang with Caleb Martin and stuff, but he, the reason he's been
00:23:00 excellent on defense and why the Celtics defense has been great is because he's
00:23:03 been one of the best rim protectors in the NBA. So like, I think maybe you hold
00:23:07 the Jays on Bam and hero as like a, in your back pocket, maybe for the fourth
00:23:11 quarter or for like later in the series. I do think you just want to go straight
00:23:15 play your drop coverage and let Derek white and Jalen kind of go at Tyler
00:23:20 hero on both ends, but specifically, you know, trying to get around those
00:23:23 screens. So can I just, can I just say real quick, my mom, UMass alumni did not
00:23:30 get that. The Rick Pitino thing was us hating on him. Do you know, go UMass?
00:23:34 Yes. Thank you, mom. Anyway, go ahead. Jake. Sorry.
00:23:37 Oh yeah. And any other things like from a defensive matchup perspective, you
00:23:40 guys want to hit LS? I'll move to a next thing.
00:23:43 Now, do you, do you think that Missoula stays with his Tatum coming out at six
00:23:49 minutes? Like, do you think we'll see the same type of minute split rotation
00:23:55 split where it's, you know, Tatum and drew out first and then they closed the
00:24:00 first quarter with the, you know, the Jays and the whites. I mean, it's, it's
00:24:05 usually how they've staggered those minutes. But then again, you know, does
00:24:11 it depend on what's full shirt does right? Like, do you think they try to, I
00:24:16 guess my question is more, do you think Joe forces spode to adjust to him or do
00:24:21 you think we see them play differently than what we saw all year? Yeah, I think
00:24:28 without Butler, that decision to just go with your normal rotate, normalist
00:24:33 rotation, obviously going to stretch guys for longer minutes in the playoffs.
00:24:36 But I think that's a lot easier decision to make because Butler is the mismatch
00:24:40 killer, right? Like if Pritchard's out there or Hauser's out there, I don't
00:24:43 really trust either of those guys on Jimmy Butler, but obviously if he's not
00:24:46 playing, I feel a lot more comfortable just saying like, go out there, juice
00:24:50 the offense, kill their bench. So I actually do at least for game one, think
00:24:55 he'll probably stick to his kind of standard drew and drew and Tatum out
00:25:01 early and get either like Hauser and Horford in there and then let, you know,
00:25:07 Tatum drew and the white dudes get out there and just kind of score 30 and seven
00:25:12 minutes or whatever crazy shit they can try to do against this heat zone. Now
00:25:16 do they, do they start bam and lover love comes off the bench. Love typically
00:25:21 comes off the bench. Okay. So it's going to say it's recently, you know,
00:25:25 we've just been starting for them. Yeah. So that, so his size doesn't warrant
00:25:29 double bigs for you. Right. What would you do if they have minutes of, of
00:25:33 love and bam? Do you stay, do you stay one solo big? Do you maybe give you, do
00:25:38 you maybe unleash some Porzingis out minutes in those lineups? I think we'll
00:25:43 go, we'll definitely see Al Porzingis lineups. That's been a really good lineup
00:25:47 and something that Joe went to a lot more later in the season, like the minutes
00:25:50 for that, I think partly ticked up a lot cause we were resting guys. And so
00:25:53 there was just a guy out. So we ended up being in that a bit more, but I love
00:25:57 that lineup. And I have been someone that's like, I wonder if in some
00:26:01 scenarios, that's actually going to be our best five. Like you just have so
00:26:05 much size and Horford on this like retirement youth, like generation
00:26:11 program that he's been on has just looked so good all year long. And I trust
00:26:15 him to be able to say, well, that's the, I mean, it's true is the answer, but
00:26:20 like, I, is, is Joe going to be willing to go with the, with the hot hand or
00:26:25 like if Jaylen's having a turnover problem, so you go double bigs and you
00:26:28 put drew in there instead. Like that could be something that ends up
00:26:31 happening politically. I can see how that is tough, but I, I do think that
00:26:35 like, like the sacrifice thing has been something they've talked about all
00:26:38 year. It looks like it's going to impact them all from an awards perspective
00:26:42 as well, which has been crazy, which I think, which I think feeds into
00:26:48 everything though. And it feeds into them being willing to be okay with
00:26:52 those sorts of decisions. I think we'll see it. Yeah, I'm sure Spoe will go
00:26:57 to that, to that double big lineup. I do think it's a Pritchard series now
00:27:00 that Jimmy's out. Like I was like, Pritchard can play in the playoffs.
00:27:03 There's two matchups. I don't like him in it's the heat matchup. He can't
00:27:07 play if Jimmy Butler's on the court and you can't, he basically can't play
00:27:10 in the nugget series because Jamal Murray is so good. And then Jokic is
00:27:15 out there just doing the same thing. So I, but now like you talk about
00:27:19 not turning the ball over and creating space, correct spacing. And like he,
00:27:23 like hero can shoot over the top of him, but he can hang, get around
00:27:25 screens and stuff. I think this is actually a legit Pritchard series,
00:27:28 which is great news. I'd love to know. I forgot to look it up, but I'd love
00:27:32 to know. I know his percentages were good. I can't remember. Hold on.
00:27:36 I want to see. I'm going to check my, cause I bet you in their three games,
00:27:40 I bet you he was very effective. Let me see. Not really seven points a game,
00:27:45 but he shot 61% from the floor and 57% from three. So, you know, not a ton
00:27:52 of volume, but he was efficient. So given the way he's been playing,
00:27:56 I would hope it would be a Pritchard series because who, who on the other
00:28:00 end is staying in front of him, you know, defensively, I think you're going
00:28:04 to be able to see him if they aren't, you know, if they aren't in zone in his
00:28:08 minutes, which why would you be? Cause they'll just put him off ball.
00:28:11 And now he's a, you know, 57% shooter getting open looks. So if he's able
00:28:16 to get into the paint and there's no Jimmy Butler there to, you know,
00:28:20 roam, I don't know. I think it could be a big Pritchard sort of pulling
00:28:24 his Nash dribble craziness and being that way, but it's going to come down
00:28:30 to the, the shooters got to make your open threes, no turnovers, make your
00:28:34 open threes and it'll be a quick series. Yeah, for sure. And if Pritchard's
00:28:37 going against that bench, bench, when bam is out, when he like we're on
00:28:41 offense to like Kevin love has to play drop, there's nothing he can do.
00:28:45 And Pritchard can crush drop coverage with his pullup shooting. And then
00:28:48 if love comes up to like the level of the screen, I now trust picture
00:28:52 to get down, make a player finish at the rim too, which is not something
00:28:56 you could really say for the rest of his career. So definitely a PP
00:28:59 series. I want to see a big veiny PP all series long just crushing the
00:29:04 Miami heat. Yeah. He's been good. He's been good in around one before
00:29:08 I think he would be great. And he's man, he was so good. Just like
00:29:11 March and April that's Pritchard's time. And it definitely felt like he
00:29:15 took a real leap this year, kind of across the board. Like the playmaking
00:29:18 stuff was not something that he had before. And so if he can create
00:29:22 some advantages and then spray out to the rest of these guys, like, yeah,
00:29:25 get that PP spraying out and we'll be, we'll be, we'll be feeling good.
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00:30:40 All right. Is there anything else on the heat series? I like my only
00:30:45 other question was going to be like, how do the heat extend it?
00:30:48 But we I feel like we know we touched on it, right? If you don't take
00:30:52 care of the possession battle, the turnovers and and and look and
00:30:56 they fucking shoot 44% from three again and we shoot below 30% and
00:31:01 that's going to even the battle. We are far more equipped this year
00:31:04 than last year to handle the shooting variance, which has been nice.
00:31:08 So let me ask you both this on what level what percentage I mean,
00:31:15 we're kind of the big question for the two offseason acquisitions
00:31:20 were can drew beat his playoff dropper reputation and what is
00:31:24 forcing us look like in a series that actually has some juice, right?
00:31:29 Like we haven't seen these guys perform as Celtics on this stage
00:31:34 the last three years in terms of true shooting percentage drew
00:31:39 holiday was like under 50% like that's he has to in my opinion, right?
00:31:44 If you look at last year or the last three postseason smart was never
00:31:48 under 59% true shooting percentage and nobody wanted him shooting.
00:31:52 So for me, that's sort of the bar, but we like we haven't seen
00:31:57 holiday be anywhere close to that. I'll buy an entirely different role.
00:32:01 So factoring that in I think him and KP are just as much of a question
00:32:07 mark in this series because we sort of know how the Jays are going
00:32:12 to respond to Miami because we've seen them do it so many times.
00:32:15 So many times we know what Horford is going to be like, but those two
00:32:20 we have no idea. And I think that is going to be my biggest concern
00:32:24 for the entire playoff run until we see it because if he throws up
00:32:29 a 41% true shooting percentage, even as the fifth option, that's going
00:32:33 to be a problem because you know, it was a problem for my for Milwaukee
00:32:38 to be a problem for you. Yeah, I think efficiency is such a different
00:32:42 thing when you're basically the primary ball handler for a team that
00:32:46 kind of like Milwaukee outside of like Giannis is not a great offensive
00:32:51 team, even like in some of the years where they were better than they
00:32:55 I mean this year they're an amazing offensive team, but it's basically
00:32:57 because of Damon Giannis and like Drew's obviously not as good as an
00:33:01 offensive player as even this version of Dame is. So I think what he
00:33:04 he's way overstretched as your second option, but with this Celtics
00:33:08 team, he can basically like occasionally run a pick and roll occasionally
00:33:11 like post up a mismatch and then he's basically just shooting corner
00:33:15 threes and like if the dude's just going to miss wide open corner
00:33:19 threes, which he might because you're right greenie. He has missed
00:33:22 open shots in the playoffs like a lot, but I think his job is so much
00:33:27 easier on the Celtics team that I anticipate his efficiency will be
00:33:32 just fine. I think to me KP is even the bigger question mark just
00:33:36 because we ask so much more of him on the offensive end and like we
00:33:41 saw him kind of struggle with like the refs. I guess just in March
00:33:46 first. We're like, okay, we're calling it like the playoffs for the
00:33:49 rest of the season and he did have some games, especially when he
00:33:52 was coming back from injury where he didn't look great and a lot of
00:33:55 his like highly efficient games after that were when the three was
00:33:58 going down, which is going to be important, but we want to see him
00:34:02 get back to like the unbeatable post-up player. That's what we need
00:34:05 from him. And I think there's a big question mark whether he's going
00:34:08 to be able to bring that into the playoffs, but I think he's up for
00:34:10 it, dude. I really do. Yeah, it's more just like, you know, I'm more
00:34:15 I'm more weary of like, okay, it's the first time. It's the first
00:34:19 game that it's the first time in the garden. They're so over amped.
00:34:23 Oh, yeah. Now you have a two of 10 start and you're down six at the
00:34:28 half like though not that it's going to like, oh my God, they may
00:34:31 never show up. You're smart. Just going to be I don't think you can
00:34:34 give the heat a sliver of life because you give them a sliver. That's
00:34:39 how they steal a game. Then they steal game one. You're pressing in
00:34:43 game two and maybe you go cold and now you're going down to Miami
00:34:47 with your series and you know what I mean? It's like those are kind
00:34:50 of the neurotic worries. I have at 3 in the morning when I can't sleep
00:34:53 us. I'm just like what could possibly if I had to envision what could
00:34:58 go wrong. It's he's not getting the the jump shooting foul on his
00:35:03 you know, turn and face jump shot in the paint, you know, love is going
00:35:06 to be there with his hands up. There's going to be contact and that's
00:35:09 not going to be a foul. He's going to then get struggling. Then he'll
00:35:12 maybe start settling for 35 foot threes. That'll be short. Like there
00:35:16 are ways where we've seen, you know, them sort of disappear at times.
00:35:21 This is now it's like you can't do it now. Like we are at the point
00:35:26 of the season. Like this is why we traded for you both. You have to
00:35:30 come through. So yeah, those are the two guys with question marks
00:35:34 at least on this specific team with with Drew. I mean look he he
00:35:39 won a title like he went through the battles like he was he they've
00:35:43 picked him for the team USA again. Like he has the mental fortitude
00:35:47 to handle struggles like he went through it efficiency wise in that
00:35:51 Bucks finals playoff front ended up coming up huge in both the Hawks
00:35:54 and Hawks and Suns series. I just went looked back at the last
00:35:59 two years of catch and shoot three-point percentage for Drew
00:36:02 holiday because I think that's what you want to look at. So last
00:36:06 year he was at 31% obviously a small of it, but not good. They
00:36:11 play five games the year before he was 41. He was 40.7%
00:36:17 very much. Much better. That's better. Right? And then in and if I
00:36:22 look at the finals run, he was 31.5% not great. We're due for a good
00:36:31 season. It's every other season. He's actually right. So we're good.
00:36:34 Yeah, I would say the key here is though like the the volume is it
00:36:41 like two per game on the box. So I'm just looking at last three
00:36:45 years like he just wasn't really taking them versus like they're
00:36:48 all of his shots this year. So I'm like he like you talk about reps
00:36:52 and RJ in the chat. He was like was true holiday focusing on his
00:36:55 corner three like he was this season like that's what he's become
00:36:59 that he's his specialty now like we don't need him to shoot 60%
00:37:03 from the corners. If he does we will probably cakewalk to the
00:37:06 finals, but like can he just be in the high 30s and that's going
00:37:09 to be everything right? And I mean listen, it's it comes down
00:37:13 to the fact of the matter is they brought him in as the upgrade
00:37:16 over Marcus smart Marcus smart was a playoff riser. He has to
00:37:20 show us that he can be that better option better ball security
00:37:26 better late game decision-making, you know, no turnovers hitting
00:37:30 your open threes. Like these are the things he's done all year.
00:37:34 The only thing that's been the question for him is what we said
00:37:38 when they traded for him is when they get to the playoffs his offense
00:37:42 literally craters like no like nothing you've ever seen and all
00:37:47 year. We said a different role is going to mean a different result.
00:37:51 Well, you know, here we go. It has been so far so that so that is
00:37:56 good. And I think we are more equipped to handle that. So, okay,
00:37:58 this is this is what you're saying is true of not just this heat
00:38:01 series, but the whole playoff run as a whole. So this is a question
00:38:05 for the whole playoffs. Let's say so the red hour back genie comes
00:38:11 to you tonight. He's the night before the Celtics playoff run the
00:38:15 barstool genie could we could say as well. So he comes to you.
00:38:20 There's there's five, you know, there's six main Celtics. I'm going
00:38:24 to give you six options here. You can guarantee one of these things
00:38:28 happen and that's going to be the like the most impactful thing for
00:38:31 the Celtics playoff run. So Tatum maintains his shooting splits
00:38:35 from the regular season 60.5% no true shooting Jalen averages
00:38:40 2.2 turnovers per game. So these are like realistic and he was
00:38:44 at like 3.1 in last year's playoff run. Okay, true holiday has a true
00:38:48 shooting of 58% or above KP hits his two-year post-up points per
00:38:55 possession average. So between the wizard season and this season
00:38:58 1.24 points per possession is what he's averaging across two full
00:39:02 seasons, which is absurd Al Horford hits his career three-point
00:39:06 percentage just 39.6 incredible and Derek White just is Derek
00:39:12 White is aggressive aggressive Derek White. I don't have a number
00:39:15 for Derek White because I don't think it matters. I need Derek
00:39:17 White being like the guy who believes he can take you know,
00:39:21 when you see it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So which which is the most
00:39:25 like indicative of their success or whatever you want, you know,
00:39:29 like it has what's going to help you sleep better tonight knowing
00:39:32 one of those things is going to happen. It's it's Tatum. It's
00:39:36 his efficiency. I think once you get to this time of year to win
00:39:40 a title your best player has to go Supernova. That's you can
00:39:45 have all the you know, the one through six one through eight
00:39:48 go down the list for the team to win the title. The best player
00:39:52 has to be the best player in the world. Jokic did it Steph did
00:39:56 it Giannis did it LeBron did it like that's just to get to the
00:40:00 top of the mountain. That's the final test. So if you're telling
00:40:03 me that Tatum throughout the entire playoffs is going to have
00:40:06 a 60% true shooting percentage that probably tells me he's
00:40:09 averaging close to 30 a night and he's making three four threes
00:40:13 a game. If he's doing that the Celtics can't lose. They just
00:40:17 because you have to focus so much attention on a guy with a
00:40:20 60 shoe shoe shooting percentage now now aggressive Derek White
00:40:24 is getting his now Kate, you know, so I think Tatum at the
00:40:28 end of the day things still end with your best player. So if I
00:40:31 can pray to this genie that a seven for 24 one for 10 from
00:40:37 three, I think I would go with that.
00:40:40 It's impossible to pick but I think I would go with KP post
00:40:46 ups just because it is like such a new weapon. It's a dimension
00:40:52 for the Celtics. I actually I was going to take Tatum but
00:40:54 Greeny already took it. So this is this is my number two
00:40:58 between him and Horford because if Horford's making this
00:41:01 please. Yeah, dude, I was debating between KP and
00:41:04 Horford too. So I but that's a dimension of the Celtics
00:41:08 offense that hasn't existed in the previous like I don't want
00:41:12 to even call the playoff failings other than really last
00:41:15 year because they've been ahead of schedule for so long people
00:41:18 think they're failings, but they're really not. It's just a
00:41:21 young team learning how to win, but I especially think late in
00:41:25 games. That is something we can go to that teams just don't
00:41:30 really have an answer like how do you guard a seven foot
00:41:33 three dude who's scoring what you know an offensive rating of
00:41:37 124 on post ups and it's not like a post up is some
00:41:41 complicated offense. You have to run to like get him in the
00:41:44 right spot like he can just kind of come off a screen stick
00:41:48 pass out there and catch the ball and all of a sudden you
00:41:51 have 124 offensive rating. So I think that's a weapon late in
00:41:55 games. We could go to if we can guarantee is going to continue
00:41:58 that efficiency that just it's a dimension that hasn't existed
00:42:01 in previous Celtics team. So I think I'd probably go with that
00:42:04 one. I just think I was going to take that's going to be the
00:42:07 thing Spill takes away. I think he's going to track it every
00:42:10 time you're going to have to beat me with threes and I'm
00:42:13 going to take my chances. Yep. Yeah. Well, you saw what they
00:42:16 did against the sixes like they went to that zone and it was
00:42:18 like they had three guys just around MB that they could not
00:42:22 get the ball to him. I do think the Celtics are just overall
00:42:26 like the IQ on the Celtics across the board plus the
00:42:29 passing ability is completely different. Like I just don't
00:42:32 have good passes on the sixes like Nick Batum is their best
00:42:34 passer. I'm pretty sure like you got Kelly you bring in
00:42:37 Tobias Harris trying to fucking throw entry passes and they
00:42:39 just can't do it like KP is really good at going up high
00:42:42 and getting that that pass at the top and then just I mean
00:42:45 he had that controlled tip in that Thunder game. Yeah, right
00:42:50 to do what and so I think that like you throw it up there and
00:42:53 he catches it. He's able to make those easy passes. I do
00:42:57 think you're right though. Spurs going to play that play
00:42:59 that game and we're going to have to have to knock those
00:43:02 shots. Yeah, but yeah, I'm torn between Tatum like you
00:43:07 because like and just statistically right he's going
00:43:09 to have your highest usage and muzz in the chat. He said the
00:43:12 same thing like just give me the guy with the highest usage
00:43:14 with the with the good efficiency, but I think KP like
00:43:18 he's he's has limited playoff experience. He's played in
00:43:21 about 10 playoff playoff games. The first the first Mavs
00:43:25 series. He was really good second one not so good and that
00:43:29 was and I felt like kind of a Mavs implosion type thing and
00:43:34 he's just a different player at this point. I was going to
00:43:36 say it's I feel like it's it's tough because like mentally
00:43:39 he's getting he's more mature his game is more developed. So
00:43:42 so that's what but again, like that's what makes it so tough
00:43:45 is like we're going off something that's like a new
00:43:48 version that hasn't a been in a playoff series and be been in
00:43:52 a playoff series where the expectation is you win the
00:43:54 freaking title. Hey, if we could just break through the
00:43:58 second round, that'd be great. It's like he needs to deliver
00:44:02 on the highest of stakes and he just hasn't had to do it yet.
00:44:06 Doesn't mean he can't it just means he hasn't yet. Yeah, I
00:44:09 think I would probably lean the KP if you can go 1.24 on
00:44:13 points per possession because I think they're going to raise
00:44:15 the volume of how much they're going to that as well. Like
00:44:18 they didn't they didn't they barely used it in the fourth
00:44:20 quarter in the clutch this year, which is either just bad
00:44:23 coaching or because they don't or they don't want to and I
00:44:27 mean, I'm sure you watch the part of my take interview with
00:44:31 Jermuzullah. I've never felt better about Jermuzullah going
00:44:33 in. I love that guy. Dude, psychotic. Jesus Christ. He's
00:44:39 awesome. So like I'm a believer like we talked about it. The
00:44:42 JJ Reddick pod did like in the car like an old man in the
00:44:45 three thing and like they basically discuss like that
00:44:47 exact thing and like how it's very odd that they haven't gone
00:44:50 to it and JJ was kind of just like smirking being like I'm
00:44:53 pretty sure they know that's something they should be going
00:44:56 to the D White KP pick and roll. Yeah, did I say they ran it
00:44:59 like nine times all year or something like that? I heard
00:45:02 that I was like, yeah, so I thought the same thing. I'm
00:45:05 like, wait a second. I'm like nobody is seeing what we're
00:45:08 seeing that this is literally an unstoppable set. Yeah, so
00:45:12 it's either it's either we're all they're all just lose their
00:45:15 minds in the fourth quarter and they forget to do it which I
00:45:18 guess is technically possible or they all see the numbers and
00:45:21 they also have eyes and they're going to go to it more in the
00:45:24 fourth quarter. All right, so I guess last question and then
00:45:29 we'll pick the rest of the playoff series. But is there a
00:45:32 result that you can live with that is not like if we don't
00:45:36 win the title, can you live with if we lose the nuggets in
00:45:40 seven games or six games and Yoko is just like, okay, he's a
00:45:44 top 10 player of all time and the Celtics played well, but it
00:45:48 was like it's another you can do about it because for me, that's
00:45:51 the only result I can kind of probably walk away from the
00:45:53 playoffs being like that's that's okay. That's life. No.
00:45:57 I mean, I just look at it. I just look at it through the
00:46:02 lens of NBA history. Every single team in the history of
00:46:06 the NBA who has done what the Celtics have done this season
00:46:10 has gone on to win the title. Your exit. I don't care who you
00:46:14 play your expectation is you should win the title. You have
00:46:20 the fourth or fifth best point differential ever every team
00:46:23 ahead of you and after you won the title, right? You you
00:46:27 crossed over and passed the 72 bucks. So every team that has
00:46:31 an at least an 11.36, whatever the Celtics have you do that
00:46:36 for point differential. You've won the title every team that
00:46:39 has a plus, you know, 15 home differential has won the title.
00:46:43 You have the best offense of all time. You have the best net
00:46:47 rating of all time. Like I think it's okay to be like if they
00:46:52 don't win the title, it's it's not only a failure. It's
00:46:55 arguably the biggest choke job in the history of the NBA
00:46:58 because you will be the only team in NBA history who has not
00:47:02 won the title after doing what they've done. It's that's what's
00:47:06 that's like literally what's at stake. You're either cemented
00:47:09 as one of the greatest teams of all time or you're cemented as
00:47:13 the greatest choke of all time. It's like you've never had even
00:47:17 the even the the Garnett big three didn't have that weight of
00:47:22 possibilities, right? But like, given what they've done all
00:47:25 year, no loss would be justifiable. Even if it's the
00:47:29 yoke age in game seven on a half court heave. I just
00:47:33 come on greedy. I just want them to be just like everybody
00:47:42 else in the history of the week. Just be normal. Please. I
00:47:45 don't want special treatment. I don't mean like just do what
00:47:50 every single team has done and they'll be fine. Yeah, I don't
00:47:54 know how I follow that, but I will say that I mean, I so like
00:48:00 rationally I want to be like, yeah, if they lost in 70
00:48:02 yoke, it should be okay. I would it be okay. Do you like even
00:48:05 last year? I was like, there's a way we could like be okay with
00:48:09 this. If we don't win the title this year, Greeny's right. Like
00:48:13 they got a fucking win this season. They're so awesome. And
00:48:17 like, okay. Tatum Brown, like they're only going to keep
00:48:20 getting better. They're not super old. Like we got KP injury
00:48:23 luck this year. Drew holiday is going to be 34 next year. Al
00:48:27 Horford is going to be 38. Like there's not a better again.
00:48:30 Yeah. There's not a clock on the core guys, but there is a
00:48:33 clock on like the, the tertiary guys who are super important
00:48:38 to how fucking awesome this team was. So like nothing is
00:48:41 guaranteed. This feels like the year it's going to be the damn
00:48:44 year. They're winning the title. Fuck seven games. Fuck yo
00:48:48 kids. Beat them in five. Like, like Jake, how you're feeling
00:48:51 is how I probably would say I felt in 2022, right? Cause they
00:48:56 finally broke through. You lost to an all time player and
00:48:59 Steph Curry, you know, it was your first time there, but at
00:49:02 least you had broken through. Well, now that they have made a
00:49:05 finals, it's like making the finals is no longer the goal.
00:49:09 Like that's for, that's for the sixers. That's for the other
00:49:12 to dream about. Right. Like now that they've checked that box,
00:49:17 it's time to check the final one. Cause it's the only thing
00:49:21 left, man. Like, I think I'm just, I'm just protecting myself
00:49:27 and like building like that in my head. It's like, okay, if
00:49:31 this Celtics team that's if our, our destiny is to just be
00:49:35 really awesome part of this era, but we just lose to top 10
00:49:38 plays in the finals every time. Uh, that's just the destiny.
00:49:42 This team has caused me a lot of pain in my life. I do not
00:49:47 think I will. I cannot imagine the pain that this will cause.
00:49:52 Yeah. Are we Clyde Drexler? Is that what we are? I mean, well
00:49:58 that's sure you want to get crazy. Like think of what this
00:50:01 means for Tane. If he wins the finals, then think of the
00:50:05 legacy type discussions that are in the balance with this
00:50:09 playoff run like that. That's a whole nother side of the coin
00:50:12 where it's like for the rest of our lives, nobody can tell me
00:50:16 anything when it comes to chase the data by 26.
00:50:19 The trolls are done.
00:50:20 No, like that's it. I am bulletproof for the rest of
00:50:23 eternity. If they just like do it for me and my online persona,
00:50:28 that's all I care about.
00:50:30 Like Tatum going 39 and five on 62% true shooting and a six
00:50:35 game finals win, dude, it's over. The conversation is done.
00:50:38 Please. I know. I like you talk about all the net rating stuff
00:50:42 and like, I guess this is just like, if they go and do it,
00:50:44 then you're right. Then they are one of the best teams of all
00:50:46 time. It's just like, I'm not sure. Like I, as good as the,
00:50:49 all the numbers are and it's like, they, I had one of the
00:50:52 time of my life. That's why I almost didn't want the playoffs
00:50:54 to start. Cause like just winning 80% of your games is
00:50:57 just fantastic and stress-free W's it's, it's a good time,
00:51:01 but like, I'm not sure I do. I can, I put them mentally in the
00:51:04 same category as like the KD warriors, but it's like, yeah,
00:51:08 maybe, maybe they are maybe, maybe if they go through and do
00:51:11 it, then, then I hope they own me. Please own me.
00:51:14 Please own me. All right. Before, before we get out of
00:51:20 here, we'll just like, well, I just wanted to, cause we
00:51:22 hadn't had a chance to really pick the series yet. Cause
00:51:24 the play in tournament's awesome. But like, this is why
00:51:26 we kind of had to wait till today to do this podcast is
00:51:28 cause, cause like we didn't fucking know who was eligible
00:51:30 playing until a day before they actually play the series,
00:51:33 which when you add that to the fact that something stopped
00:51:36 really trying in March, it feels like we haven't like
00:51:38 known what to expect for it. We've just been playing the
00:51:41 seedings game for 12 hours every day. We're going to, we
00:51:45 have some of the results already here, but I'll throw
00:51:47 quickly to you Spoonie, Cavs magic, magic go down 0-1
00:51:50 today and kind of important like that in theory will be
00:51:54 the series that we see next round. I picked the magic,
00:51:57 not feeling great about that after game one, but we know
00:51:59 not to overreact to game one. Yeah. I think I picked
00:52:02 magic in seven. I mean, this is a toss up series to me.
00:52:05 I don't really think either of these teams are great.
00:52:08 I do think Donovan Mitchell's the best offensive player
00:52:11 in the series and that might be what it comes down to
00:52:13 period because they're both great defensive teams and
00:52:16 both struggle to score. So I think I'd probably still
00:52:20 stick with magic and seven cause they couldn't get
00:52:22 anything to go today and they've kind of hung tight
00:52:25 for a little bit. So I don't know, this, this is probably
00:52:28 the biggest toss up series to me, period. It's like
00:52:31 maybe the next one that I see on the run sheet, but I'll
00:52:34 stick with magic and seven just cause that's what I went
00:52:36 with. Oh, I think I've been six. I just think it's a
00:52:40 year early. I think this is, we talked about a little
00:52:44 before. This is their classic growing pains type
00:52:48 playoff run. I think, you know, they just don't have
00:52:51 the offense. I think playoff Donovan Mitchell is a clear
00:52:54 playoff riser. He's just, he's just lethal. I think
00:52:58 they're healthy and you know, I, I think that they're
00:53:01 motivated by given what happened last year. They have
00:53:04 the look of a team that's like, okay, you know, we're
00:53:06 not a first round out this year. We may not go further
00:53:09 than that, obviously, cause you know, they'd be playing
00:53:11 the Southern round too, but it feels to me like, you
00:53:15 know, you're going to get one last goodbye Donovan
00:53:18 Mitchell series before he heads to South Beach later
00:53:21 this summer and that'll be that. Yeah, I definitely want
00:53:26 to flip my pick after watching game one today. That's
00:53:28 for sure. Yeah, Donovan Mitchell is clearly the best
00:53:31 player in that series and Opaulo was really good this
00:53:33 year, but yeah, they, the offense, they looked really
00:53:36 young, deer in headlights vibes. I'm going to pivot
00:53:39 away from that one Spoonie, but Nick sixes just cause
00:53:41 we just watched that one. I picked the sixes before
00:53:45 today. I still feel okay about the sixes after today.
00:53:49 Like I I've been saying that Nick's just just take all
00:53:52 the boxes of a regular season team to me. The problem
00:53:55 is that the matchup wise, the offensive rebounding,
00:53:58 which is like, it's such a Nick's thing and they just
00:54:00 destroyed them on the boards today. The sixes just
00:54:02 don't rebound and be just not a good rebounder, even
00:54:04 though he puts up like 11 rebounds a game. Plus it
00:54:07 looked like he, I don't know how you live your life
00:54:10 as a sixes fan. Cause he looked awesome. And then
00:54:12 he does like one of the most incredible plays I've
00:54:14 seen in my life. It looks like he literally, his knee
00:54:17 was going to like, have to be taken to like amputated
00:54:20 in the back. And then he comes back and then it's
00:54:22 still like really good. And they almost pulled out,
00:54:25 but, and Brunson, Hey, he's the only real creator
00:54:29 on that team. I'm going to stick with my original
00:54:31 pick with the sixes. I, even though I know they
00:54:34 engages my period mystery by the end of the season,
00:54:38 their whole matchup obviously has an answer. Cause
00:54:40 you just, you have to wait. Like if he, if his knee
00:54:43 is swollen up after this game, then it's a wrap
00:54:46 for them. And I think them losing today, I think
00:54:49 was their, their missed opportunity to win the
00:54:51 series, right? You got the off night shooting from
00:54:53 Brunson. You got killed by late Josh Hart threes.
00:54:57 Oh man. No, like those are just, those are the
00:55:00 swing role player moments at home that shape a
00:55:04 series. And I think had they been able to go on
00:55:07 the road and steal, listen, if they coming back
00:55:10 when game two, everything I'm saying is irrelevant.
00:55:13 But I think the first game is always the easiest
00:55:16 game to steal. Right. So I think now that they,
00:55:18 they came up short, couldn't get a defensive rebound
00:55:21 to save their life. Like that's not going to change
00:55:23 anytime soon. So I think barring injury, I'd say
00:55:26 Nixon six. Yeah. I, my original pick was Nixon
00:55:30 seven, just because MB, I didn't think he was going
00:55:33 to be healthy. He very much did not look healthy
00:55:35 after he tweaked his knee. So yeah, I'm sticking
00:55:39 with Nixon seven. I just don't, I I'm with you,
00:55:42 Jay. I think we've talked about this a lot on the
00:55:44 podcast. We're both like, we think the Knicks are
00:55:46 try hard regular season team, their half court
00:55:48 offense stinks compare, you know, they get a lot
00:55:51 of buckets in transition, but you know, the
00:55:53 defensive rebound against the six or the offensive
00:55:55 rebound and rather translated against the six or
00:55:57 so we'll see. But I think the Sixers are good for
00:55:59 it. But I don't know how many Kyle Lowry games
00:56:01 you get like that out of this series, but thank
00:56:04 God he's on the hate. Yeah, I know, dude. Speaking
00:56:07 of playoff risers, man, that dude's a fucking
00:56:09 winner, but I'm sticking Nixon seven. All right.
00:56:13 Paces box, another hard one to pick. I'm just,
00:56:17 I'm just sticking with the box. I just, for some
00:56:20 reason, I just think all the guys are coming back.
00:56:22 That's again, probably me protecting myself from
00:56:24 getting my hopes up and being like, and beads
00:56:26 injured Jimmy Butler's out and Giannis is out. So
00:56:28 I'm just thinking Giannis is going to come back
00:56:30 in like game two. And if he plays, then they're
00:56:32 going to win the series.
00:56:35 I'm going to say bucks and seven. I just, again,
00:56:40 it's another team that is inexperienced. I know
00:56:43 that they've destroyed them in their regular season
00:56:46 matchup. I just think it's, it's a different beast.
00:56:49 And I'm, I'm weary of everybody all of a sudden
00:56:52 thinking this is like an easy pacer series. It's
00:56:56 never, it never plays out that way. You know, they
00:56:59 also can't stop, you know, they can't get a
00:57:02 defensive stop to save their life. And I think
00:57:04 if the bucks can just find a way to play a
00:57:07 lick of defense, next thing you know, Giannis
00:57:09 is maybe back game four. I think if it, if they
00:57:13 can find a way to, you know, at least when one
00:57:16 of the first two or at least when one of the
00:57:18 games in, you know, in Indy, I see it going
00:57:21 seven.
00:57:22 I, I, okay. So, you know, sometimes there has to
00:57:25 be a hero, someone willing to take a stand and
00:57:28 say Viva La Revolution Pacers in seven. I got
00:57:32 honest is like, even if he comes back, like he's
00:57:35 going to be hurt, they can run you up and down
00:57:37 the court. The bucks want to play slow. The Pacers
00:57:40 got to make their threes. I think they got four
00:57:43 games where they make their threes and then bow
00:57:45 out in the second round. Like you can get swept.
00:57:47 But I, I mean, if Giannis was healthy, boom, you
00:57:51 know, I would definitely say bucks in six or
00:57:53 something like that, but they can steal a game or
00:57:55 two before he's like totally back. And then, you
00:57:57 know, you make some threes, all of a sudden it's
00:58:00 over what happened, Halliburton celebrating Giannis
00:58:03 is crying. And this is total hope casting as the
00:58:06 kids say, I just want this to happen, even though
00:58:08 I don't think it's going to. So Pacers in seven.
00:58:11 If you're going to have vibes, it's the Pacers.
00:58:13 The Bucks have just been like such a disaster.
00:58:15 There's this dark cloud over them, right? And I
00:58:18 just think, I feel like their issues are more
00:58:22 later round problems than early round. Right? So
00:58:26 I just, I don't know. I respect, I respect their
00:58:30 pedigree in a weird way. I don't know. Like I just
00:58:33 there's, it's just a different environment to when
00:58:36 you've never been in it before and you're relying
00:58:38 on guys. I mean, see how it comes obviously been
00:58:41 there. He's won a ring, but I don't know. I just
00:58:44 I want to give them the benefit of the doubt
00:58:46 until I see otherwise. Yeah, exactly. Like every
00:58:48 time we do it every year, we forget how different
00:58:50 the playoffs is. And then we watch the first day
00:58:52 of the playoffs. I'm like, this is like a different
00:58:54 sport. Like it's just completely different. And also
00:58:57 tell me what Halliburton I'm getting. Am I getting
00:59:00 November Halliburton or am I getting April Halliburton?
00:59:03 That matters. Yep. West, Suns, Wolves. We saw
00:59:07 game one today. Wolves just stood up, man.
00:59:12 Wolves stood up. Fascinating. You know, at first I thought
00:59:15 this was, this was a bad matchup for them, right?
00:59:17 They got killed during the regular season.
00:59:20 Anthony Edwards might be a playoff riser. And if
00:59:23 he's a playoff riser, then today was not an accident.
00:59:26 I think it changes the dynamic of the series. I
00:59:29 probably would have said, you know, Wolves, or I
00:59:32 probably would have said Suns and seven, but I think
00:59:35 I might go Wolves and six after what we saw today.
00:59:38 This is classic Ant. He does this dude. He's goes
00:59:41 insanely hot and then he comes out of nowhere and
00:59:44 has like a complete dump in his pants the next game.
00:59:46 So he might have a good get like it. Maybe he's just
00:59:49 playoff riser. He can keep it going. But like Ant
00:59:51 is so up and down and he's what he's like 22. That's
00:59:55 what happens when you have a 22 year old superstar.
00:59:58 But I think I picked Wolves and seven. I think I'd
01:00:00 probably stick with that. Their defense is legitimate.
01:00:03 They have playmaking. Like, I mean, I don't know if
01:00:06 cats supposed to be back at some point. So he was,
01:00:09 he was good today. This is the game I missed. I did
01:00:13 say this is the game I completely missed. Okay.
01:00:16 Nevermind. Sorry. Yeah. So yeah. Wolves and seven
01:00:19 and that definitely in that case another vibes pick
01:00:22 and it's like if you've gone off vibes, the Wolves
01:00:25 have had a great year and the Suns have just like they
01:00:27 just snuck in even though they had those three wins
01:00:29 against the Wolves. I'm flipping to Wolves. I loved
01:00:32 what I saw today. I think book is going to be like a
01:00:35 really struggle in this matchup. Like the Wolves
01:00:37 defense is like, well, they're there. They're the
01:00:40 map. They have the prototype of the same type of, you
01:00:43 know, when you think of who the Celtics struggle
01:00:45 against, it's can you defend the wings? Can you
01:00:48 make your threes? Do you have a good point guard
01:00:51 who won't turn the ball over? Right? And you have
01:00:53 a guy in Ant that can take over and be the best
01:00:55 player on any given night. So, you know, they have
01:00:59 the formula. I mean, it was them in the Celtics that
01:01:02 didn't lose three games all year. I think they were
01:01:04 the only two teams in the NBA all season. So I think
01:01:07 they have that formula. It's just is their best
01:01:10 player ready to take the jump just like we've always
01:01:13 were worried about young Tatum. Like if he if he's
01:01:16 ready to take the leap that Tatum made then the Wolves
01:01:19 will make a deep run. This to me for Ant is Tatum's
01:01:22 bubble run in where he he took them to the conference
01:01:25 finals and like Tatum was a year younger that year
01:01:28 but this is basically the same. All right. Don't tell
01:01:32 me the score of the Lakers nuggets because I have
01:01:33 avoided it so far, but I'm just taking nuggets. I
01:01:37 don't care what's happening in game one. I think I
01:01:39 saw a comment in the chat earlier that the Lakers
01:01:42 were doing well here, but give me the give me the
01:01:45 nuggets in whatever but give me the nuggets granny.
01:01:48 Yeah, I don't think it's going to be a sweep. I'll
01:01:50 give them I'd say nuggets and six. I just think their
01:01:54 games were close all last year. So, you know, it's
01:01:58 not something where you know, I can't I know what I
01:02:01 can see the score right now. It's actually, you know,
01:02:04 it's it's it's it's recovered a little bit, but I just
01:02:08 think like, you know, they're the champs until
01:02:10 someone knocks them off. You got to give them, you
01:02:12 know, the respect. I just think it will not be as easy
01:02:16 of a series or I mean as quick of a series just
01:02:18 because you know, you almost never see sweet. I feel
01:02:21 like people think everything is going to be a sweep
01:02:23 and nothing is ever a sweep. Yeah. Yeah. We talk
01:02:26 about that a lot is like sweeps are actually rare.
01:02:28 Yeah, one of the closer for sweeps ever. I think
01:02:33 with the Lakers nuggets last year in the conference
01:02:35 finals pretty similar to us against the Nets in
01:02:38 2022. So yeah, I got nuggets and six like yo
01:02:41 kitch is going to do yo kitch things. They're a
01:02:44 better team, but I think the Lakers definitely get a
01:02:47 couple. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean you're never going to
01:02:49 get me to ever root for LA. I mean, yeah, yeah.
01:02:52 What are we doing? Yeah, the Celtics podcast pick
01:02:55 the nuggets. I mean, even though everyone's trying
01:02:57 to talk themselves into the Lakers, maybe having a
01:02:59 shot here. I do. Yo, kitch is just that ridiculous.
01:03:03 Yeah. I mean, I just said they'd win a game and I
01:03:05 want to go take a shower. It's like, yeah, yeah.
01:03:08 Yeah. Yes, Mavs Clippers another weird one with the
01:03:14 injuries. I mean, this is quietly kind of broken
01:03:18 nicely. You've got to get really way too far ahead
01:03:20 of ourselves, but Nuggets playing the Lakers and
01:03:22 then maybe the Wolves and then like whoever comes
01:03:24 out as opposed to being that one seed where they
01:03:27 would have got an easier first round matchup. But
01:03:30 yeah, Mavs against the Kawhi. No one seems to know
01:03:33 I just don't think he's going to be able to make
01:03:35 it through a series for me. This is just a health
01:03:37 pick and I think Luka is and that team's just better
01:03:40 than in years previous when they the Clippers actually
01:03:43 won those series. Luke is better. The team's better
01:03:45 Kyrie's on his best behavior. I think the Mavs are
01:03:48 going to take that Clippers series. Yeah. I just it
01:03:54 pains me to root for Kyrie or think Kyrie's going
01:03:57 to win, but I think I'm with you dude. I think the
01:04:00 Kawhi stuff like who the hell knows man. He's got
01:04:03 a different injury every other day. I do think if
01:04:06 you could guarantee me Kawhi Paul George, we're
01:04:09 going to be fully healthy and Harden. We're going
01:04:11 to be fully healthy for that entire series. I'd
01:04:13 probably take clips and seven but who knows I think
01:04:17 the Mavs floor is a lot higher than the Clippers. I
01:04:20 think the Clippers have a higher ceiling, but I just
01:04:22 don't trust them to hit that ceiling on a game to
01:04:25 game basis. So I think the Mavs feel like a classic
01:04:28 second round out to me. So I would say Mads and six
01:04:32 maybe yeah, I was I'll say this. This is the no more
01:04:37 excuses Lucas playoff series, right? Like this is it.
01:04:40 It's a year. What's five six for him? He's being
01:04:43 talked about as MVP. You can't lose in the first
01:04:46 round. You can't lose in the second round like at
01:04:48 some point he has to be held to the standard that
01:04:51 everyone holds Jason Tatum to as one of the best
01:04:53 young players in the league. So, you know, I don't
01:04:57 love hearing that Kawhi's getting mystery knee
01:04:59 injections like yeah, the day before the game. I
01:05:02 got great. So if he comes back in his 90% Kawhi, I
01:05:07 would I would probably say Dallas and seven if he's
01:05:11 if he's hurt and isn't the same guy I'd pick Mavs
01:05:14 and six just because I think they solve their big
01:05:16 man issue, you know, they got Kawhi, you know
01:05:20 playing with, you know, his head on straight Lucas.
01:05:24 I mean, it's undeniable what his production is in
01:05:27 the season that he's had and I just think, you know,
01:05:29 if they can get their bench shooters and I just feel
01:05:33 like they are ready, you know, they've gotten killed
01:05:36 by the Clippers and what both of their previous
01:05:38 matchups. This is another one of those like can they
01:05:42 beat their boogeyman series like this is the moment
01:05:45 where Luca needs to establish himself as you know,
01:05:49 one of the best players in the league. He can get
01:05:51 over his his playoff demons to do that. I think they
01:05:54 win pretty decisively, especially if why is not, you
01:05:57 know, ready to go. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Luca. It's it's
01:06:01 time man. It's all it's all fun and games until you
01:06:04 start getting knocked out when before everyone wants
01:06:06 to tell me all these people are better than Jason
01:06:08 Tatum. Yeah, prove it and actually actually brother
01:06:12 exactly right. Yeah, and you went seven to 24 today.
01:06:17 Like I will obtain them go seven to 24 tomorrow. I
01:06:20 don't want to hear it. Yeah, he won't be going seven
01:06:23 to 24 tomorrow. I actually just got a pit in my stomach
01:06:25 thinking about the playoffs starting tomorrow. That's
01:06:28 terrifying Thunder pills. I mean like the last week
01:06:32 couldn't have gone better for anybody than the Thunder
01:06:34 like the fact that the Nuggets end up on the other
01:06:36 side of the bracket Zion goes down and they get the
01:06:40 Pelicans without Zion like as someone that could
01:06:42 probably be a matchup problem with Chet but like
01:06:44 without him, I think I think this one actually could
01:06:46 be a sleep but four or five for the Thunder Greeny.
01:06:49 Yeah, I'd say I'd say five or six, you know, just
01:06:52 because I do believe in the the Pelican wing defenders.
01:06:56 I think when they're when when Herb Jones is locked
01:06:58 in and they're causing chaos, you know, I think they
01:07:02 can still wanted to just because again, we're going
01:07:05 to be dealing with a team that's never gone through
01:07:07 this before right that well actually both teams, right?
01:07:09 So both teams are so so, you know new to this
01:07:13 environment. I feel like you have the higher range
01:07:16 of variants where you could tell me the Thunder are
01:07:19 going to be a machine and they're just going to you
01:07:21 know, prove to be the team we saw all year as she is
01:07:24 going to lead the way but you can also tell me CJ
01:07:27 McCollum is going to have 35 Brandon England will show
01:07:30 up and Herb Jones will shut down Jalen Williams. Like
01:07:33 I just think you know, your gut says go with the team
01:07:36 that was better all year, but this is one that it
01:07:38 wouldn't shock me if the Thunder or the winner
01:07:41 higher seed that loses their first round series
01:07:43 just or they could win it in in four or five. I'm
01:07:47 pretty Pels brained. I like their team a lot for some
01:07:50 reason like I feel like Ingram's offense translates
01:07:53 to the playoffs really well because he likes to work
01:07:55 in the mid-range and he's so friggin big that it's
01:07:58 almost like KP as a wing where he can just kind of
01:08:00 get that mid-range shot off of anybody. But I just
01:08:04 think the Thunder are kind of a well-oiled machine
01:08:06 one of the best half court teams in the NBA on both
01:08:09 sides of the ball to which I think is really important.
01:08:11 So I and they're efficient. It'll take a lot of
01:08:14 threes, but they should I think like 38 or 39. Yeah.
01:08:17 Yeah, the threes they take they make in SGA. He's
01:08:21 going to do his thing. Like I wonder if you put herb
01:08:24 on him almost. I don't know. Yeah, so I but in like
01:08:28 JV just has no place in this series to me. That's
01:08:31 what worries me for them. Yeah, it's a bad. I feel
01:08:34 like the Pels with a different matchup could have
01:08:36 won their first round series. I don't love this
01:08:38 matchup for them, especially with Zion. That's what
01:08:41 it sucks. They can't go Zion at the five and do
01:08:46 some weird shit and see what happens. Yeah, so I
01:08:49 but I do think the Pels will snag a game or two. So
01:08:52 I'll take okay. See it's six. There we go. Awesome.
01:08:55 Well, Greeny. It's been a pleasure everybody in the
01:08:58 chat. This is it. That's no more. No more stress-free
01:09:03 wins. No more playing the Wizards or Peyton Pritchard
01:09:07 dominating for 35 minutes and dropping 35 points.
01:09:10 So my you still have me. Hey, please. Please own
01:09:13 again. I have another person. Please own me. I know
01:09:16 any any closing thoughts Greeny. You want to you want
01:09:19 to put out into the universe. It has to be this. It
01:09:23 has to be the year. It just has to be. I just
01:09:26 everything we've seen everywhere. They they've
01:09:29 approached it like at some point. They need to be
01:09:33 rewarded for going about and doing things the right
01:09:35 way, right? Like at some point, you have to reward
01:09:38 Brad Stevens for building this type of roster, right?
01:09:41 Like things have just gone so well. It's either
01:09:45 going to go and finish it off or we're going to be
01:09:48 dealing with a classic like something like beyond
01:09:52 incomprehensible is going to happen and it'll be the
01:09:55 end. Right? I just I just I've been smiling for
01:09:59 like all day. It's like a nervous coping mechanism
01:10:03 because every dribble is going to be terrifying.
01:10:07 It's just like there's no better way to live but it's
01:10:10 also the worst way to live Celtics in five.
01:10:13 Five. We're calling it. Please Celtics. Please.
01:10:18 Please. That's all. It's all we have left. We're
01:10:21 going to do our best to be analytical as the playoffs
01:10:23 go along but it's really just going to come back to
01:10:25 please. Please. Please. I'm on our knees. Everybody
01:10:31 in the chat. Thank you for tuning in. We're all
01:10:33 terrified. We're going to go through this together.
01:10:35 It's going to be the year until next time. Let's go
01:10:38 Celtics. I love the Celtics.
01:10:43 I love the Celtics.
01:10:46 You.
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