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The Boston Celtics just won 60 games for the first time since 2009, and have clinched the 1st overall seed, guaranteeing home-court advantage throughout the playoffs in a building where they've only lost 3 times all season.

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00:00 [Music]
00:24 Welcome in to another episode of First to the Floor. Ben Vallis here. Thank you for joining us.
00:29 Hope you're doing well. Coming up on the show, we'll recap the Celtics' 60th win.
00:33 We'll fire up the Schadenfreude Report and check in on our closest rivals.
00:37 And stick around until the end because we'll dive into what is the most likely, or what currently is the most likely,
00:42 playoff picture in the East. Wayne Spooney and Jake Eisenberg are both here.
00:46 Guys, how's it going?
00:48 Doing great, man. You know, my cat just knocked a spoon over.
00:53 It's actually chaos in the storehouse.
00:56 Otherwise great.
00:59 It's all happening, dude. And like, all happening to everybody else and not the Celtics.
01:05 Like, it's just the NBA is in full chaos mode.
01:08 Like, there's like six different seedings races going on in each conference from like the top all the way down.
01:15 Meanwhile, the Celtics have just clinched the number one overall seed with seven games or however many to go.
01:22 And it's just absurd. So I'm just enjoying like sitting back, like getting crazy, convincing myself different matchups.
01:30 Oh my God, seeding. It's just, you know, good times.
01:34 Hell yeah, dude.
01:35 What if Indy's not healthy? What if you're not sick? I know, yeah, it's endless, man.
01:38 We're going to unpack all of that. It's going to be great.
01:40 Well, look, with that clinching, there is an unclenching, at least temporarily, while there's six games or so where we can relax before shit gets crazy for the postseason.
01:48 I just want to start here. Obviously, the Celtics, they beat the OKC Thunder yesterday 135 to 100.
01:53 Great game for the old net rating, which is still, I think, fourth best all time with some potential, depending on how the stay ready crew,
02:00 who hopefully take most of the minutes for the remainder of the season, depending on how they play,
02:04 it might sit around that fourth best all time mark, which I'm personally very OK with.
02:09 Spoonie, we'll start with you because we didn't have you on late night last night.
02:12 60 wins. Pretty fucking amazing. First time since 2009.
02:16 This is a corny way to position this question, but it's such a rarity that I kind of have to ask it.
02:21 And folks in the chat, we want to hear your thoughts as well. What does 60 wins mean to you as a fan?
02:27 So, OK, well, I was watching my child. I looked up some stats here.
02:33 So we've done it 14 times. Six of those teams won the championship.
02:38 Nine times we've won 62. Five of those won a championship.
02:42 So those odds don't sound great, but like, oh, my mom's here.
02:47 But we've only won 60 games three times since 1986.
02:52 And they were right in a row. 07, 08, 08, 09. So it really I mean, I was a fan.
02:57 I watched listen to the radio, watched a lot of those games, but not in the way that I watch them now.
03:03 Certainly this podcast was about a decade out plus for my future.
03:07 So this is easily the most fun season I've had in a very, very long time.
03:15 I think it is Eclipse, the IT season, just because that felt not real.
03:21 Like you just there was no like it was fun. It was awesome. It was magical.
03:26 Yeah, there was a little bit for calling leading this team. Yeah, right. Exactly.
03:31 But they weren't ever going to win the championship, you know.
03:34 So this one's a little different. Like this team has they're just completely loaded the way they just destroyed Oklahoma City in the fourth quarter.
03:42 Like there's not many teams in NBA history who can go on a run like that and dominate both ends.
03:47 So, yeah, it doesn't happen a lot. We should definitely appreciate it.
03:53 Yeah. Yesterday was was really fun watching the game with Spoonie on playback.
03:59 If you're not in there, get playback.tv/CelticsPro. Just watching with the fellas.
04:04 And this team I'm torn on like, is it more fun than that team or not?
04:09 Because there's just something special about exceeding expectations versus like and what's crazy is we actually have exceeded expectations this regular season as well.
04:18 As high as we were on the Celtics coming into this year.
04:22 I'm not sure we, even though I bet 60 plus wins, they could easily, like we got seven games left.
04:29 They probably at worst go four and three, even if they're resting guys, just because of how good the deep bench has been as well.
04:35 So you're looking at 62, 63, 64 wins. That's well over what was expected from these guys as well.
04:42 And so from that perspective, and then like obviously not just the wins, but like all the net rating, the point differential,
04:48 like how much better they are compared to the rest of the conference and the league, at least in the regular season,
04:54 is not something that I necessarily saw coming.
04:56 Like I wasn't super high on the box to begin with, but I wasn't this low on the box either.
05:01 I didn't think that we'd be 13, 13 games ahead of the two seed is so ridiculous.
05:08 They're closer to 10th than us. That's nuts dude.
05:12 Yeah. So it's been awesome. And you know, I was, I was talking to Ben Gulliver, a friend of the program,
05:19 Washington Post, Grace DeVol talk on Instagram. He's going to come on.
05:22 He refused to come on before the end of the season because he says I'm coming on in June before the finals.
05:28 And I was like, don't do that to us.
05:31 He's convinced that the Celtics are going to cakewalk the East because of the rest of the conference falling apart.
05:37 But I'm like, I'm just enjoying this stress-free regular season. It's been beautiful, but I'm ready.
05:44 How or why Ben Gulliver would like negate the opportunity to shit on the Celtics at that moment is very surprising to me,
05:50 but always very happy to have a writer of his stature on the show.
05:54 I'll also add 60 wins, important chapter in the Jays era.
05:58 We've been so fortunate as fans since Jalen Brown's rookie year, where they went to the conference finals.
06:04 We've been absolutely spoiled. They've given us everything we could possibly ask for, with the exception of a championship,
06:12 and maybe just like an epic, like, let's just own everyone throughout the regular season.
06:18 That's what we've just got with 60 plus wins now.
06:20 And it's just an incredible chapter in whatever the Jays book looks like when we close that book one day.
06:26 This is a very vital section of that book. So that's really good.
06:31 You said it was the most enjoyable season of all time. I agree.
06:35 Well, not of all time, but it's sort of in recent history. Sorry, let me rephrase that.
06:39 I agree in that they set the bar really high, impossibly high, and then at least basically maintain that level all season,
06:46 which is fantastic and super difficult to uphold.
06:49 I will say that there have been undertones of stress.
06:52 We've kind of dealt with this psychology of fandom in the past on this show,
06:56 but with high expectations, it's a steep fall down from those heights.
07:02 And there's always this looming feeling of like, when's it going to end, man?
07:06 When's my time going to come up? And we've been so fortunate.
07:10 You know, touch wood, everyone's relatively healthy at this point of the season.
07:14 The team haven't sort of fallen out of rhythm, at least for multiple beyond two game stretches.
07:20 They've looked really good consistently.
07:22 And now we head into the playoffs and we wipe the board clean.
07:25 Everyone's at 0-0 and we start again for potentially the most grueling,
07:30 well, certainly the most grueling part of the season.
07:32 And this is where I want to transition to Chris "Daps" Porzingis,
07:35 who was fantastic last night against OKC, finally kind of looked like himself again
07:40 and was actually quite dominant getting those switches and posting up from the free throw line, if you can even call it that.
07:47 How do you guys think KP will handle the playoffs?
07:50 Because it's been somewhat of a miracle just getting him to this point in the season, relatively healthy.
07:56 Now he's going to, I'll use that word again, grueling.
07:58 He's going to enter the most grueling segment potentially of his entire career.
08:02 And now we've got to keep him healthy through this entire stretch while keeping him impactful on the court.
08:07 Do you guys have any concern? Obviously, this is coming from a place of concern for myself.
08:12 We know.
08:13 About how, yeah. Just do the show so that you guys can talk me off a ledge. That's all it is.
08:18 How do you guys feel about KP going into the playoffs and whether he can maintain his level like all the way through to the finals if we make it that far?
08:27 Real quick, let me ask you this, Ben.
08:29 Do you think Oklahoma City was playing with playoff intensity?
08:34 No.
08:35 Well, you don't.
08:36 See, I thought they were playing pretty damn hard.
08:38 They're kind of a tryhardy Knicks style team, I thought.
08:41 The denials on the entry passes, they were really tenacious there.
08:45 So I do think we have to fight for those KP touches at least early.
08:49 But playoff tenacity, it's a whole nother level.
08:52 Okay, fair enough. Fair enough.
08:53 I guess what I'm saying is that at least that's one data point to the positive of KP being able to handle the playoffs.
09:00 Because they've got these squat strong defenders even when you switch.
09:05 Switching on to Lou Dorr is not easy.
09:07 That dude is built like a friggin' tank.
09:09 I don't know what he's built out of.
09:11 Adamantium? Is that the Wolverine stuff?
09:14 Yeah.
09:15 He's built out of adamantium.
09:17 He's just Canadian strong.
09:19 KP can just turn and shoot over these dudes, and it's a good shot.
09:24 It's not a good shot for very many guys in the NBA.
09:26 But he doesn't need to back people down and put them in the rim and get all the way to the rim and take six, seven shots every post up.
09:34 Shots to the body.
09:35 He could just be like, "Okay, let me get settled here.
09:39 My feet are ready.
09:40 And then I'll turn around, hold the ball 15 feet in the air, and shoot it down into the net."
09:45 Which he did like six times against Oklahoma City.
09:48 It was so good.
09:49 So I think he's doing fine.
09:51 Look, there's definitely an element of that.
09:54 But I think it's also important to remember that everybody else has to deal with this stuff as well.
09:57 And obviously, KP maybe--the furthest he's gone, I think, in the playoffs is the first round.
10:04 I don't think that in either of those Clippers/Mavs rounds, where in the second round--
10:08 I believe they were both in the first round.
10:11 So, yeah, this is going to be the first time he, in theory, experiences the second round of the NBA playoffs.
10:18 Yeah, and so--
10:19 That scared me, actually.
10:21 Yeah, dude.
10:22 It all fucking sounds great until we're down 7-2 in the first quarter of game one.
10:28 And it's like, "Oh my God. I'm shitting my pants."
10:31 Probably will happen.
10:32 Yeah.
10:33 So I'm not especially worried because of what you said, Spriggan.
10:39 The way that he--he likes to mix it up, dude.
10:42 He's kind of got that Eastern European/Latvian toughness to him.
10:46 There's a limit to how physical he can get at times just because of the weight of his ass and the lightness of it at times.
10:57 And we saw that maybe once last night.
11:01 Chet kind of got to the body.
11:03 But then for the most part, when he's really positioned well and the Celtics are allowing him to just roam as a shot blocker
11:10 as opposed to taking hits down low and then defending that way, he really likes to mix it up.
11:16 The rebounding has been really good lately.
11:18 And I really believe in his mentality and his confidence.
11:23 These European dudes--I've said it a bunch this year--they're just not scared of the NBA American playoffs.
11:30 They've been going through serious, serious basketball environments from a really, really young age.
11:36 Way more intense than anything they've had to face in the NBA from a younger age.
11:42 So that's the part that I think I would potentially--I could see being concerned about.
11:47 But he's just--he's got the killer instinct, man.
11:49 He's never going to stop.
11:51 Yeah, well, on his mentality, I teased this on Late Night last night, but watch these clips.
11:56 There's one clip from Jalen Brown, one clip from Peyton Pritchard.
11:59 I've got the clips now after teasing it last night.
12:02 Watch these and tell me that there hasn't been some sort of behind-the-scenes locker room conversation to KP
12:08 about his mentality and his approach to each game.
12:10 Yeah, you know, KP is a key piece in everything that we're trying to do.
12:15 So, you know, just trying to get him going.
12:17 You know, and when KP is physical, when he's challenging guys at the rim,
12:22 when he's alert to the doubles, he's not, you know, flopping and he's holding his ground.
12:27 KP is--he's been, you know, extremely impactful.
12:31 So we just want to encourage to bring that side out because the more we see that KP, the less we'll lose.
12:38 What do you think of the show KP's put on so far?
12:41 It just shows what he's capable of and what he needs to bring every night.
12:45 And he's going to dominate the paint and that will take us a far away.
12:48 Peyton, thank you very much.
12:50 Do you get a sense, Spoonie, from watching those that there have been recent discussions?
12:55 I'm drumming up content here a little bit, but like it seems somewhat pointed. Am I wrong?
13:00 Yeah, their answers were very similar in a way that it feels like that's probably been conversations with KP,
13:08 like maybe in practice, like, "Dude, we need you to like be physical and be tough down there."
13:12 And I thought Chet kind of got him a couple times in the first quarter.
13:16 And then from then on, I thought KP upped the intensity and basically dominated that matchup,
13:21 especially with Chet on offense and KP on defense.
13:24 So, yeah, like they know he is super important to this team and he can't just spot up from three
13:32 and then be soft around the rim defensively because then he's not a particularly valuable player.
13:38 We'd just rather have Al out there if that's how KP's going to play.
13:42 But if he's flying around on the defensive end, protecting the rim and rebounding,
13:46 and then doing the post-up stuff on the other end, it's just magic, dude.
13:50 Like they're unstoppable when he's playing like that.
13:53 Yep, that's the KP yesterday, and obviously missing SGA and JW.
13:59 But like when he's playing like that, that's where you understand the "without KP, the Celtics aren't the same team" type of conversations.
14:07 Because what's crazy is they're 19-3 without KP this year.
14:11 But it's very clear when he's playing at his ceiling that they're kind of unstoppable.
14:16 And when you look at how you defend them, it's like, "What do you do, dude?"
14:22 Because he's such a willing shooter on the pick and the pops, he still gives you vertical spacing.
14:27 And yeah, I really love those comments from Jalen.
14:30 And I think that coming from Jalen is where something like that can come from.
14:34 Because they've developed this really good relationship.
14:37 And it's kind of half-joking, but also probably like, "We need you to f*cking get dirty down there, bro."
14:43 "We know you're this pretty, giant Latvian dude, but we need the Bearslayer, man."
14:48 "We need you to come out here and save all of Latvia for us."
14:52 Yeah, and I'm just glad that conversation's being had now, instead of down 1-2 in the first or second round.
14:58 I'll stop drumming up fake concern about Kristaps Povzhenka-Stanwin.
15:02 Thank you again, guys, for talking me off the ledge.
15:05 One thing also, after the game last night, Al Horford mentioned that--
15:10 I think he said, and I'm not quoting him directly here, but unbiased and thinking clearly--
15:15 that Jalen Brown is all defense.
15:18 Is that a clear bet for you guys? Is Jalen Brown going to make an all-defensive team?
15:23 Remembering, of course, that it's positionless going into this offseason?
15:28 I think the positionless thing really screws him.
15:31 Jake and I were talking about on the playback, how many non-centers are going to be on the all-defensive team?
15:38 Three? Four? The first team's going to be four centers, which kind of sucks.
15:45 Jake, I think you said it doesn't really make sense to do all-defense positionless in the same way it does all-NBA.
15:52 But that's what it is.
15:54 I did a pretty in-depth article on Celticsblog about Jalen's all-defense candidacy.
16:00 He's just not quite there, man.
16:03 Off-ball, he is so much better.
16:06 But look at some of these elite defensive guys like Jaden McDaniels and Herb Jones.
16:12 They're just everywhere off-ball, and they're as good as Jalen on-ball.
16:16 So, huge improvement. He's solid to good off-ball, which is light-years beyond where he used to be.
16:24 I just don't see it, man. I just don't think he's all-NBA level right now.
16:28 I think he'll get some votes because he has campaigned.
16:31 And campaigning works, especially coming from the Boston Celtics and the Boston Celtics media.
16:36 We have very strong powers out here, specifically flowing from this podcast, obviously.
16:43 But yeah, it's going to be tough.
16:46 The positionless thing is nonsense to me for all-defense because it's going to be like Wemby, Gobert.
16:53 All the centers are going to be at the top.
16:57 Bam should be like, yeah, Draymond actually probably won't be qualified for the minimum games.
17:03 But they should be if it's positionless.
17:06 He's been awesome. I'm not sure I quite see the all-defense case.
17:11 But I do love Al Horford, teammate of the year.
17:14 If there's any award we really need to get, it's Al Horford, teammate of the year.
17:17 And I love that. Just very unbiased, very clearly he should be all-defense first team.
17:24 That's just beautiful stuff from Mr. Al Horford.
17:27 That's like us when we're like, without bias, I totally recommend this podcast.
17:32 The most objective.
17:34 Yeah, that's right.
17:36 It's funny though because Jalen Brown and to some degree as well Derek White are the two Celtics players getting some all-defense talk.
17:42 But if you guys had to choose one Celtic player to lock down the opposing team's star player on a given late game possession,
17:51 which Celtic would you choose? Because I bet it might not be either of those two guys.
17:55 It might be someone else.
17:58 This has gotten really difficult because Jalen has his moments on ball where he's just like absolutely incredible.
18:05 Part of me thinks like if it's a bigger wing or a center, it's Al Horford.
18:10 And then another part of me is like if you're just like you pick an all-star out of a hat,
18:15 I'm probably taking Jason Tatum or Drew Holiday.
18:18 It's kind of a ridiculous embarrassment of riches on the defensive end.
18:23 But I think it's probably got to be Tatum.
18:27 Just play back what he did against Shea in the first OKC game.
18:31 Nobody can stop that dude when he's healthy.
18:34 And Tatum did.
18:35 Shut him down, made him pass every time he tried to get into the lane.
18:39 So I think it's got to be Tatum.
18:40 But man, there's a lot of options.
18:42 Yeah, I think if it's a mystery box player and you have to choose one Celtic to defend that player without knowing who it's going to be,
18:50 you're going to go Tatum because he has by far the most versatility.
18:54 Tatum has become underrated because of how good Derek White and Drew Holiday and Jalen playing awesome defense
19:01 and Jalen talking about his defense and everybody talking about how much Jalen's defense has improved.
19:06 Tatum also had a better defensive season this year than I think he had last year.
19:11 And he's so good off ball compared to elite cornerbacks in the NFL all the time.
19:17 He just doesn't get the people attacking him ever because there's just no point.
19:23 And the way that he offers legit rim protection, they use him in the Rob Roving role.
19:30 He's not obviously as good at it as Rob or as Porzingis because he's 6'9" and not 7 foot.
19:36 But he can do that.
19:38 He can switch onto everybody.
19:39 He does this thing, he did it yesterday, where there's a drop coverage and then they trap the ball handler with those two guys.
19:51 And then Tatum's right there waiting for the pass back across the court or back to that player.
19:56 And he's so good at reading those passing lanes and he's been really good at that lately.
20:00 And that's more valuable off ball defense and team defense and that individual defense.
20:07 Even Sam Houser, if you can ISO him, he can be sturdy to be really good ISO.
20:13 But then also be able to offer all that other stuff.
20:16 It's chasing Tatum, especially when he gets to the playoffs.
20:19 Yeah, it is for me as well.
20:20 Which, like you guys said, it's an embarrassment of riches.
20:22 Sorry, Spoonie.
20:23 No, no, I've cut you off Ben, so sorry.
20:25 But he also guards the center a lot so KP can do the roaming role.
20:30 Joe just trusts him.
20:31 He was checking Chet a lot as the primary defender, letting KP just wander off Lou Dort and stuff like that.
20:38 And he's an amazing defensive rebounder now, too, which is a huge benefit because he's basically playing the four.
20:44 So you got to be able to rebound at that position.
20:46 He's been our best rebounder for two years in a row now.
20:48 Yeah.
20:49 Yep.
20:50 Not even that close, really.
20:52 Yeah.
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24:35 Man, this has to be just renamed to the Bucks report at this point.
24:42 What an embarrassing season that they've had.
24:46 And I put up that rant that we had from the last episode on Twitter, getting some bookmarks from Bucks fans.
24:54 I think those bookmarks have started to be unbookmarked as they come to the realization that their team is oh so fraudulent.
25:02 I'm not sure how it's getting worse for them.
25:05 Like they had a nice little easy stretch here to go down against the Wizards and then followed up with the loss to the Grizzlies yesterday.
25:14 Like they need these wins, dude.
25:16 Like they are if the rest of the Eastern Conference wasn't just imploding around the rest of the conference, not the Celtics, of course, they would be into the they would be out of the two out of the three into the four.
25:29 Like they need to win these games and lucky for them, no one's able to kind of like catch them.
25:35 I think the Magic might be able to get up there, but they should.
25:38 They should look like they could fall out of the two into the three.
25:41 It's and then you've got issues with Giannis and Dame now not playing.
25:49 We're going to get to Doc Rivers' comments here, but they aren't the 18-19 Kyrie Celtics absolutely reincarnated.
25:58 Like I can't get over that comparison enough.
26:00 Like the way that the rest of Bucs fans and NBA media fell over themselves getting ready to slobber all over the Bucs because they had one impressive win over the Thunder who like have kind of started to fall apart.
26:13 Like as now Shea is in and out of the lineup with this quad injury, like kind of checks out that he wasn't able to play well against that Bucs team.
26:21 Like they look like they're kind of running out of gas.
26:23 Their one good win, lose to the Lakers, lose to the, like they're two and three since that win.
26:30 They're below 500, like whatever way you slice the Doc Rivers era is a disaster.
26:35 30-13 before Doc, 15-15 after Doc.
26:40 And that's the two realities that we live in, in the NBA.
26:44 It's beautiful, man.
26:47 Go ahead, Ben.
26:48 I was just going to wait, let it breathe.
26:51 What have you got?
26:52 I mean, I want to play this Doc clip, but you got any takes on this team before we get to that?
26:56 I, so I have a real quick, Dame is out, right?
26:59 He's nursing his groin.
27:00 So I looked at that, which, you know, mine needs a lot of nursing.
27:05 So I looked at their on-off combos with Dame, Chris Middleton and Giannis.
27:12 There is not a combination that's in the positive without Dame.
27:18 Every on-off, Giannis and Middleton together, negative.
27:22 Giannis by himself, negative.
27:24 All three of them off, massively negative.
27:27 All the positive lineups have Dame in them.
27:30 So they need him.
27:32 Like he's banged up going into the playoffs and not playing at 100%.
27:35 No matter how bad on defense he is, they got him because it makes their offense borderline unstoppable.
27:40 And if he's not playing at that unstoppable level, like they're terrible.
27:45 Like negative, like not a 500 team bad without him.
27:50 So I don't want to see anybody get hurt, but it kind of bodes very poorly for the Bucks playoff chances.
27:57 If he's nursing that groin for a long period of time or if it's more serious, like who knows, man,
28:02 those soft tissue injuries can really linger for like long time.
28:06 That was not proper English.
28:08 They can linger a long time.
28:10 They can linger a very long time.
28:12 That's great.
28:14 Yeah, well, obviously we don't wish injury on anybody, but there's just hilariousness with how Bucks fans have been
28:23 very active online with gassing themselves up and shitting on the Celtics.
28:27 Contrasted with them, if you listen to the audio pod, there's some great comments here on YouTube.
28:33 You should definitely check out the YouTube show.
28:35 Contrasted with losses to the Wizards and the Grizzlies, like back to back there.
28:40 Just a hilarious mixture of fun for non-Bucks fans there, particularly us here as owners of the Chardon-Frodo Report.
28:47 But then defensively, it's such a nightmare because Brook in drop was particularly effective when you had
28:53 Drew Holiday chasing guys around screens.
28:56 He was easily 50% of the impact of that drop defense.
29:00 Dame Lillard does not even hold a candle to what Drew Holiday is capable of in terms of screen navigation
29:07 and being half of a really impactful drop defense duo.
29:11 Now he's out completely and they've got no one to step up in his wake.
29:15 No one who is even close to a competent perimeter defender.
29:20 Chris Middleton has completely dropped off.
29:22 Offensively, he's been a little bit better, but defensively, he's dog shit to the point where they bench him
29:26 during critical defensive possessions.
29:29 So, just not looking good there for the Bucks.
29:32 And if you ask Doc Rivers, it's anyone's fault but his.
29:36 Another one and two road trip.
29:37 I don't know. I think focus. I don't know what it is.
29:40 You know, it's funny. I've actually been sitting back and watching everything.
29:45 Not just our players, but our travel crew, everything.
29:50 And I've made a lot of notes. I will say that. I won't share that.
29:55 But we don't bring the necessary professionalism, seriousness on the road.
30:03 And that's something that we can fix. That's something we're going to have to fix.
30:08 Do you feel like that just gets cleaned up in the playoffs?
30:10 Have you seen that in the past?
30:12 Yeah, I'm not concerned. Yeah, the playoffs are a new beast.
30:15 But I'm looking at it for the long run, too. I mean, it's not just for now.
30:19 He's the best, dude.
30:24 He's a master.
30:25 What is this?
30:27 I've been taking some notes.
30:29 I'm not going to share them because they could be good or they could be bad.
30:33 But the intonation is definitely that they're bad.
30:36 And that the ball boys.
30:40 What's going on with the Bucks organization from Giannis to Doc talking shit about the ball boys and the towel guys?
30:48 Like the professionalism on the road.
30:50 It can't be the fact that the roster sucks or the Doc doesn't know how to coach or anything like that.
30:56 It's everything else. Professionalism on the road.
31:00 It's just that Kyrie team, dude.
31:04 The vibes. It's all off.
31:06 It's all off.
31:07 And they're going to convince themselves with one good week every week and a half at this point.
31:14 Doc's notes are like my high school girlfriend.
31:16 Totally exists. Just goes to a different school.
31:19 You guys just never met her yet.
31:21 I've got notes that'll fix all this.
31:23 I've got notes, too.
31:24 It's crazy, man.
31:25 Like, did he blame the equipment managers a few weeks ago?
31:28 Like, what are you doing, dude?
31:30 Like, no.
31:31 What does your team think when you go out there just like essentially blast them?
31:35 And like you think the Celtics are professional?
31:37 We've seen those plane rides.
31:38 Everybody's gambling and yucking it up.
31:40 Like, that can be good for team chemistry.
31:43 Clearly, it's not on the Bucks, though.
31:45 And we all know it's not Doc Rivers' fault, though.
31:47 So glad he clarified.
31:49 What's the over/under on emails, inquiries to the HR department of the Milwaukee Bucks?
31:54 Like, "Dear HR, I feel personally targeted by your job was to pack suitcases and put them on the plane
32:00 and suddenly Doc Rivers is talking about me in post-game press conferences.
32:03 I do not get paid enough to handle this kind of thing. Please help."
32:07 I'm getting death threats at the games because I'm not throwing competent bounce passes back to the players
32:14 when the ball comes to me.
32:15 It's like, Jesus Moses, dude.
32:17 Meanwhile, we've got Deuce rebounding for guys in his pre-game warm-ups.
32:21 Everything's fine and dandy so far in Celtics' land.
32:24 So, all right, let's move away from the Chardon-Freuder report now
32:28 because we want to talk about injuries around the league.
32:30 And we've been very clear and unbiased in making sure that those things are decoupled
32:34 from the Chardon-Freuder report.
32:36 But, Jake, things in the land of the New York Knicks have taken a turn for the worse overnight.
32:42 Things were already pretty dicey with what's going on with OG Ananobi
32:45 and the unclear status with his elbow and when he might return.
32:48 Now, Julius Randle tried to come back, apparently, with the shoulder situation,
32:53 re-aggravated it, re-injured it during some sort of scrimmage.
32:56 Now he's getting surgery. He's out for the season.
32:58 What do you think is happening with the New York Knicks?
33:00 Yeah, I went kind of back and forth on the Randle thing
33:04 because I think in a regular season vacuum, I think that the Knicks are kind of better
33:09 with the OG, and then the Ananobi, and the rest of the Knicks without Randle
33:14 he can be such a black hole and kind of like a bit of a downer.
33:17 But reading a lot of Knicks Twitter and stuff today and various reports,
33:22 they're going to miss him.
33:24 And T-Mac in the chat brought this up as well.
33:27 Outside of Brunson, they just don't have enough creation.
33:30 No one can create their own shot consistently at all, really, on that team.
33:35 As good as Spoonie's guy, Deuce McBride, has been in this new run here.
33:40 Brunson's the only guy that can run offense at all.
33:43 Even with OG coming back, he's a good spot-up guy, but he's not a--
33:48 that's a massive weakness of his.
33:50 And I think that actually could be a disaster for them if he comes back
33:54 and he tries to be a guy that's putting the ball on the ground.
33:58 He cannot handle the ball, can't make decisions.
34:01 He's a--get in the corner, he can cut off ball.
34:04 That's the kind of offensive player that he is.
34:06 They're going to miss Randle's creation really badly.
34:09 And then even with OG Ananobi--because, man, these teams and injuries, dude,
34:15 why do I have to be like Sherlock Holmes to figure out what's going on
34:20 with anyone's injuries, whether it's--I mean, Embiid in this case is the worst.
34:24 OG Ananobi's another guy in Embiid's multi.
34:27 But I did find this report from--I think his name's Ian Begley--from the Knicks
34:32 on OG Ananobi here, which I'll play.
34:34 The Knicks wait to hear on OG Ananobi and the medical people involved there
34:39 taking a conservative approach with Ananobi.
34:42 I don't know if he has been cleared to do everything yet.
34:45 Once he gets cleared to do everything, I'm told he has to still get through
34:49 several hurdles before being cleared to get back on the court.
34:52 So it's a wait-and-see situation there, but the Knicks do have a definitive
34:56 answer on Julius Randle. He will not be back this season.
35:01 It's just a nonsense word soup.
35:04 It's like he hasn't been cleared for everything yet, but he will be cleared.
35:09 Once he is cleared for everything, then he'll be back, but then he'll have
35:12 various hurdles to clear after that.
35:15 It's like, what is he talking about, dude?
35:17 And the OG Ananobi thing is interesting because they obviously traded a lot
35:22 to get him, and he's a free agent after this season.
35:25 There's definitely an under-the-table wink-wink thing that's happened
35:28 where they've probably already agreed to a number.
35:32 But if he was to get injured and have a lingering thing,
35:36 I promise you that that number goes away, similar to what happened
35:39 to James Harden and him calling down Omori a liar.
35:43 And then the rest of the league's probably not going to be giving
35:45 OG Ananobi the $40 million that he was expecting.
35:48 So if you're OG Ananobi, what is the motivation for you to come back
35:52 and play through an injury similar to the Isaiah Thomas thing
35:55 that comes to mind when this is his chance to get easily his biggest contract?
36:00 He's been a guy that's struggled with injury throughout his career,
36:03 and there's been the reports of him being someone that doesn't like to play
36:06 through pain and through injuries.
36:08 Take those reports with a grain of salt because stuff's coming from everywhere.
36:12 But you mix that kind of report with Tom Thibodeau,
36:15 it's like oil and water, dude.
36:16 It's like, oh, you don't want to go out there with your arm falling off?
36:20 You're not a TV?
36:22 Yeah.
36:23 You're soft?
36:24 So, yeah, like that's just kind of a disaster for the Knicks,
36:30 and they feel like they're going to run out of gas, man.
36:33 Like Tibbs has been--they have been running out of gas lately.
36:36 They've lost all these close games.
36:38 Josh Hart has been playing 45 minutes a night.
36:40 Devin Chenzo's right at the top of the league in minutes as well.
36:42 And Brunson's carrying, like, the heaviest load in the NBA,
36:45 dropping 60 points against the Spurs in losses.
36:48 Like they feel like they were the team that people were kind of picking
36:52 because, like, the Celtics foil,
36:54 and now it just feels like they kind of have no chance.
36:57 Yeah, to your point on Randall, when OG and Randall are on the court together,
37:01 they have 128 offensive rating, which would easily lead the league.
37:06 When OG's out there without Randall, they have a 95 defensive rating,
37:10 which would easily lead the league.
37:12 But teams were shooting 29% from three.
37:15 So, like, that's fake.
37:16 That's totally fake.
37:17 That would come up.
37:19 The defensive rating would come up.
37:20 So, Randall and OG together, they are extremely good defensively
37:24 and extremely good offensively.
37:26 And then you take one of those guys out,
37:28 and you lose either the defense with OG or the offense with Randall,
37:32 and they might not have either guy.
37:34 And, like, yeah, Deuce is great.
37:36 He is not a primary creator, dude.
37:38 Like, he will never be.
37:40 He's going to be, like, a nice eighth man for the rest of his career,
37:43 which is great.
37:45 So, yeah, I just don't know what you do.
37:47 And that's a good point I hadn't really considered
37:49 about, like, what is the motivation for OG to, like,
37:52 potentially affect his long-term career.
37:56 And, like, are the Knicks with OG added, like, a title contender?
38:00 Not really.
38:01 Like, maybe they can make the Eastern Conference finals.
38:03 I wouldn't really pick them to do it without Randall.
38:07 So, he has no motivation, I guess, is what it comes down to, to come back.
38:11 He just wants to cash his checks and start playing again.
38:13 So, they're in a really tough spot.
38:15 And, you know, I have a soft spot for the Knicks, and it sucks to see.
38:18 And I'd rather beat them with their full-strength team
38:21 because the Knicks fans are getting confident.
38:23 And then, what are we, 4-0 them this year, if I recall correctly?
38:26 So, yeah, we'll see how that--
38:28 hopefully we do that in the playoffs as well.
38:30 So, just a tough spot.
38:31 I'm not really sure what they do.
38:33 But I could see them going down on the first round pretty easily.
38:37 Yeah, I like the Knicks and their fan base.
38:39 So, I felt genuine remorse when I saw this report.
38:42 So, hopefully everyone gets healthy there soon.
38:45 Sticking in the East here,
38:46 kicking around the Eastern Conference a little bit more.
38:48 The Sixers are playing the Heat right now
38:50 as we stream this pod live on YouTube.
38:53 Like, subscribe, score update.
38:55 I don't know, is anyone saving the game for after the show?
38:58 I watched the first half, and then I've got the score.
39:01 I saw someone put an update in the chat earlier.
39:04 So, we can talk about it.
39:07 But, yeah.
39:08 Okay, so the Sixers are up on the Heat currently.
39:11 Joel Embiid has a very efficient 29 points, four boards,
39:15 two assists in just 22 and a half minutes.
39:18 Embiid's looking good.
39:21 That's beginning to be concerning.
39:24 But if the Heat stay out of the playing,
39:27 which if they lose this game, which it looks like they might,
39:29 that's going to be more difficult.
39:30 If they stay in sixth,
39:32 the Sixers are by far the best team in that playing tournament.
39:35 They would likely win out that tournament, finish in seventh.
39:38 And if the Bucks stay in second, we've got this spicy 7-2 matchup
39:42 between Joel Embiid and Giannis Antetokounmpo,
39:44 which I'm really hoping for, while we also avoid the Heat in that scenario.
39:48 Jake, I don't know, what are your thoughts on the Embiid situation?
39:52 Is it beginning to be more concerning for you?
39:54 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
39:55 I think this was always the thing, right?
39:58 Like, the Sixers, before he went down to me
40:01 were the second best team in the Eastern Conference, I thought.
40:05 And him coming back, I know I haven't been able to watch
40:08 this little section here, but I watched the first half
40:11 and he was definitely looking very gassed at times.
40:15 And I think that's going to be something that,
40:17 he's just not going to be able to get close to 100%
40:19 from a conditioning perspective for the playoffs.
40:21 And he's going to need to be in order to play this Celtics team
40:24 in a playoff series.
40:25 So, we'll see from that perspective.
40:29 But yeah, dude, that's the matchup you want to avoid.
40:32 And I was mostly focused on the Heat trying to get them into Six,
40:35 as if I have some kind of power on it.
40:38 But now, the Sixers, they have a chance to move into Six still.
40:45 And so, either we want them in Six or the Seven,
40:48 because that's going to give them a better chance playing at home,
40:50 playing against whoever.
40:51 I'd rather play the Heat than the Sixers at this point.
40:54 Like, a healthy Embiid is just pretty clearly the better team.
41:00 As scary as the Heat is from a PTSD perspective,
41:03 I just don't think this version of the Celtics, they can beat,
41:07 even though I will be terrified of them.
41:09 But yeah, hoping that the Pacers, they play the Thunder tomorrow.
41:13 Hopefully, the Thunder play the guys tomorrow.
41:16 But I ran these numbers today.
41:19 I sounded like I'm a hacker when I say that.
41:22 But breaking down the net ratings in the East,
41:25 using when Doc Rivers took over as the line of demarcation.
41:29 That's a 30-game sample size.
41:31 So, these are the net ratings over the past 30 games.
41:33 The Celtics are laughably at 15.8.
41:36 The next closest net rating is the Heat at 5.7.
41:39 So, Celtics are like three times better from a net rating perspective,
41:42 which is nuts.
41:43 But it's Heat 5.7, Magic 5.3.
41:46 And then it kind of goes down slowly.
41:48 Knicks, Pacers, Hawks, Bucks at 1.9.
41:50 And then the Sixers' net ratings are relevant.
41:52 But so, that's the last 30 games.
41:54 And then you look at the last 15 games,
41:56 Celtics still dominating the field here.
41:58 15.1.
41:59 The Knicks next closest at 8.6.
42:01 Pacers came up at 7.1.
42:03 And the Magic and Heat pretty steady at 5 net rating.
42:07 And the Bucks have a negative 1.5 net rating over the past 15 games,
42:11 which is just astounding that they could be that bad over that long
42:16 on a sample size.
42:18 Like, the Sixers are relevant with those numbers.
42:22 But looking beyond that, the Magic to me look like they might be
42:26 the next best team in the East all of a sudden.
42:29 Like, you might have to just put the Heat ahead of them from an experience
42:32 perspective, but the way that the Cavs have fallen apart, the Bucks,
42:35 and the Knicks for their health reasons,
42:38 the Magic have just been really consistent now for all season.
42:42 And using my philosophy as beating the Celtics is you've got to have
42:46 a really good defense.
42:48 They've got the second best defense in the league.
42:50 So, I think they could prove to be a tough series.
42:53 But I just think the Celtics probably dominate them from a defensive
42:58 side of things.
43:00 All that to say, I don't know what to do, dude.
43:03 Every day, every day, it's changing.
43:06 Every quarter is changing.
43:08 The Sixers went up 17 to 2.
43:09 I'm like, "Oh, fuck."
43:10 And then the Heat came all the way back, and I'm like, "Oh, shit."
43:12 This is me.
43:14 Every day, every day, every minute, I'm like, "I don't know what I want."
43:19 I guess the real answer is just be Joe Mazzuola and be like,
43:23 "We're not mental losers anymore.
43:26 We're mental alphas, and it doesn't matter who we're playing,
43:29 and we're going to kick the shit out of them."
43:31 But I would like to see the Pacers, Hawks, or Bulls in the first round.
43:34 Yes, very much so.
43:35 I'm a little bit afraid of the Pacers, but not compared to the Heat or Philly
43:39 with a healthy M-Bead.
43:41 Yeah, dude, I'm with you, Jake.
43:43 I go back and forth.
43:44 I have no idea.
43:45 Part of me is just like, "Give me the Heat, get it over with,
43:47 slay the Dragon, and then they'll feel so much more confident
43:50 going into the playoffs after that."
43:52 The Magic is interesting.
43:54 I just think that they have a nice, great setup to win a bunch of regular season
43:59 games, and defense, it's more consistent than being a great offensive team.
44:07 So I think that plays into their hands.
44:09 I just think their ceiling is pretty low with Paulo and Franz right now.
44:13 They're just too young.
44:14 They just haven't become who they're going to be in three, four, five years.
44:19 Yeah, but they might be the second-best team in the East because all of these
44:22 teams just have massive, massive glaring holes and injury problems,
44:29 or they're the Miami Heat and don't take the regular season seriously.
44:33 Yeah, it's a tough question, but I would agree that I think Philly
44:37 is the last team I want to play in that eighth seed.
44:42 Just because of the injustice of it all to be this record-breakingly,
44:47 historically good and be like, "Here's last year's MVP.
44:50 He's rested.
44:51 Sure, conditioning is an issue, but he's otherwise the most healthy he's ever
44:54 been going into the postseason.
44:56 Here you go, guys.
44:57 Congratulations on your record-setting season, you fucks."
45:00 So I'd really like to avoid that reality if possible.
45:04 I will say, Rusilo did this spot on FanDuel TV with Chandler Parsons
45:09 and Lou Williams, and they were talking about Heat versus Sixers.
45:13 And Rusilo was like, "I think Parsons would be totally happy to play Philly,
45:19 like the Celtics themselves, like Tatum and those guys.
45:22 I think that they feel the way that the Heat feel about the Celtics
45:27 and the Bucs in that they think that they've got this mental edge over them,
45:31 which I think is totally fair.
45:34 And the way that you guard and be – it's just like it's very simple.
45:40 It's like we know what we're going to have to do, and we just got to execute
45:44 and we're going to win, whereas the Heat just have all the tentacles
45:48 of the off-ball movement and the devil magic of the shooting.
45:51 Like Haywood Highsmith had like 12 points in a quarter today,
45:54 like just nonsense shit, right?
45:56 So I almost would convince myself into being like, "Just give me –
46:00 like the Sixers series might go long."
46:02 It's weird. It's like almost like the higher variance for the Sixers.
46:07 I could see a sweep, but I could see it going longer.
46:09 But I just don't think there's any chance the Sixers win a game seven
46:13 and be able to just be dead at that point, whereas the Heat could just
46:18 devil magic their way into a game seven, and then who knows what happens.
46:24 It's weird. It's almost like I feel like there's a higher chance
46:27 we sweep Miami than Philly, but there's also a higher chance
46:30 they beat us than Philly, if that makes any sense at all.
46:33 Agreed. That's what I'm trying to say. Thank you.
46:35 Yeah. Okay.
46:37 Well, look, I think the real takeaway is that if the Celtics play
46:41 at 80% of their true capabilities, then no one in the East is beating them anyway.
46:47 So we stress about this stuff because we're Sickos and we care so, so deeply.
46:52 But really, if they just come out and play the way they've been playing
46:55 all regular season, then this should not be a problem.
46:58 Let's end on this. Spoonie, curious to hear your thoughts.
47:01 How would you manage the rest of this season?
47:04 There's six or seven games remaining. Are you playing guys, keeping them conditioned?
47:09 Are you just resting folks intermittently? What would your approach be?
47:13 So I think how they've been doing it is the way to go, where you just kind of
47:17 have some guys out every night, maybe once-- I mean, what is there, six games left?
47:22 So maybe one more game, you have the full complement, go full strength.
47:26 Maybe that Bucks game, although do you want to show the Bucks anything?
47:29 But that's beside the point. What they've been doing, I think, is the right way
47:32 to approach it. Just give guys rest nights, but you don't want to get rusty.
47:36 You want to make sure they're still playing competitive games.
47:39 And I would not play Al Horford another second for the rest of the season.
47:43 Sit his ass down. Al's proven everything.
47:46 He doesn't-- rust does not exist on that man.
47:49 He's like a shiny golden dome. He's not going to get rusty.
47:54 Just sit him down so he doesn't get hurt, please.
47:57 He's already played 50 too many games.
48:00 He shouldn't have played from day one.
48:04 Oh man, I think number one is don't let Jalen play again at the moment.
48:10 The hand thing, that's weird, and I don't think he should be playing.
48:14 He was questionable for tomorrow, I saw that.
48:17 I'm not sure who else was questionable tomorrow. I think that may have been him.
48:21 I think it was Springer. Derek White, lower back contusion.
48:25 Man, if Derek White's out, bet the house on the Kings, man.
48:29 3-3 without Derek White this season.
48:32 The Kings are playing right now. They're currently tied going into the fourth quarter
48:37 with the Knicks. Sully's kind of getting a couple of schedule breaks at the end here.
48:42 When you look at the schedules, oh, the Thunder could be tough
48:46 and the Kings could be tough, but you don't do the deep dive and realize
48:49 the underplay, the Sixers the night before and the Kings have to play the Knicks the night before.
48:54 Getting a nice little break here. You'd kind of be surprised if the Celtics drop that one.
48:59 I guess Derek White will play because he always plays.
49:02 But Al Horford, KP, Drew, Jalen, you guys are getting three of the next six games off.
49:10 Tatum and Derek, if I can get you to rest one each, that'd be great.
49:16 Tatum only played 29 minutes yesterday. We've been actually buying him.
49:22 And that's the thing, the minutes of this regular season are not the same as the minutes
49:26 of the last two seasons because they have more 25-point wins,
49:32 or tied for 25-point wins as losses.
49:36 Just losses. That's insane.
49:38 So the minutes that they play this year are not as intense as years past.
49:44 So I do think they're going to be as fresh as you kind of can be going into the playoffs,
49:49 which is fucking awesome. But don't tempt fate here.
49:52 You see what's happening with all these injuries around the league.
49:55 Just lose balls, don't dive on them. Never. Let them go.
50:00 No first to the floor. We haven't had a single first to the floor moment all year.
50:06 Now's not a time to start. We don't need any new clips for the intro at this point.
50:10 We're sitting pretty here. Greeny on Twitter is going on about how Jordan Walsh
50:15 has led the main Celtics to a playoff win and going to the G League Eastern Conference Finals.
50:22 They beat the Sixers affiliate team, the Delaware something or other, the Bluecoats.
50:28 So that's interesting. But we're going to need Walshy back for some of these games.
50:33 Because the last couple of games, Bucks, let's not take that game seriously.
50:36 I doubt the Bucks will even take it seriously. Knicks, OK, like we said, we respect the Knicks.
50:40 And then it's Hornets, Wizards to finish out the season.
50:43 We need to be recruiting playable talent from anywhere but our starting nine players for those games.
50:50 So Jordan Walsh, Drew Peterson, Namias Kader, have fun. Go out there and get 50.
50:56 The Kings we play tomorrow. I put in here space for a preview.
51:01 I don't really give a shit about this game. I know we did the pod like a couple of weeks ago.
51:05 About why you should give a shit about the rest of the season.
51:09 But like now 60 wins, every milestone has been met.
51:12 The Kings play the Knicks tonight. Like they're coming off a back to back.
51:15 Ideally, we see no one important in that game tomorrow, which kind of makes it fun.
51:21 What's going to happen? Who's going to play?
51:23 Who's going to insert themselves in a way they've never before?
51:26 Hashtag PP. What could happen?
51:29 Yeah, we really needed the hashtag PP.
51:34 Maybe some of the new listeners who are just getting up to speed on the tone of the show.
51:39 Richard's got 30 on these bombs, dude.
51:43 He's got to match Malachi Flynn's 50, dude. He can't let the other little wacky outscore him.
51:50 That is Tony Delk levels of "can't believe this dude dropped 50."
51:54 It's Corey Brewer, Tony Delk, and now Malachi Flynn.
51:57 Sadiq Bey's even on a different level compared to those guys.
52:01 He might make a decent Mount Rushmore though, too.
52:06 For right now, I think he's on the Mount Rushmore until someone shittier than him hits 50.
52:12 All right, that's going to do it for this one.
52:16 Thank you so much for watching and listening.
52:18 Please like, subscribe, leave us a comment, and let us know your thoughts on 60 wins
52:22 and how we should play out the remainder of the season.
52:24 We'll be back with another pod early next week.
52:26 Spoonie, Jake, love your work, guys.
52:28 Until next time, go Celtics.
52:30 I love the Celtics!
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