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PMLN Leaders' Statements in Faizabad sit-in Case - Hassan Ayub's Reaction
Faizabad sit-in case commission inquiry report: Is Punjab government guilty?
"Asif Kirmani is not a part of PML-N," Analyst Hasan Ayub made a big claim
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00:00 Asalam o alikum, dear viewers, in today's program we will talk about the political issues of our Tahiyyat leader Nawaz Sharif.
00:16 The pressure is increasing day by day from the party that the political issues of the party should be taken into their own hands and the losses that we have suffered during the 8th February elections should be recovered.
00:32 We have not received the votes that we should have received. What are they going to do? We see Mr. Nawaz Sharif in Punjab daily.
00:46 He is doing a lot of meetings regarding the food prices. But he is ignoring Wafaaq. Wafaaq has his younger brother and he is facing serious challenges compared to Punjab.
01:00 We will try to find out why he is spending so much time in Lahore and not coming to Islamabad.
01:06 The government of Balochistan has not been established yet. What is the reason for this? We have planned to discuss the issue of wheat support prices in today's program.
01:18 But first of all, our top story is related to the past. You know that there is a lot of political pressure on the Faidabad protest case in Pakistan.
01:27 Yesterday, we put our request to the panelists. The summary report of the report was published in the newspapers.
01:43 And all the television programs were discussed at 7, 8, 10 pm. The leaders of the Pakistan Muslim League Noon gave their reaction.
01:56 We tried to understand their reaction. It seemed that all the leaders were opposing each other.
02:09 We will talk about the reason for this. But first of all, Khawaja Asif was asked if he was agreeable with the report.
02:20 But Hassan Ayub told him yesterday that he was not agreeable with the report.
02:25 Khawaja Asif asked him why he took the report from Hassan Ayub. He said that the report is not important.
02:32 How can the report be complete without the two main characters?
02:39 The report is incomplete without the two main characters. There is no authenticity of this report.
02:46 There is no credibility of this report. Will you govern on this?
02:51 I have already told you.
02:53 The commission did not try to reach the right conclusion.
03:00 Rana Sanawla said that the commission did not reach the right conclusion.
03:14 Why did they not reach the right conclusion? When the report will be presented in front of the Supreme Court, there will be public discussion.
03:21 Rana Sanawla, who was the Minister of Punjab at that time, said that General Faiz Hamid was not involved in the report.
03:44 There is no doubt that TLP was involved in the report.
03:51 TLP was involved in some cases.
03:59 TLP was not in the hands of TLP.
04:05 TLP did not listen to General Faiz Hamid.
04:22 There is a point that we found a lot of contradiction between the Prime Minister of that time, Mr. Shahid Khan Abbasi, and the Federal Minister of that time, Mr. Ahsan Iqbal.
04:35 When Mr. Ahsan Iqbal was asked about the protest, he was very unhappy.
04:57 He was very angry that the government did not follow the agreement.
05:10 He was angry that Nawaz Sharif was angry that the operation was unsuccessful.
05:19 Mr. Ahsan Iqbal said in an interview that the protestors reached Islamabad from Lahore.
05:27 They reached Islamabad with an agreement and consensus.
05:40 The government was in complete contact with the protestors.
05:50 The government had an understanding that they would come to Islamabad and end their protest after the prayer.
05:58 The government had a meeting with the Prime Minister of Punjab and all the details were discussed.
06:11 Do you have any evidence of this?
06:13 If you talk to the Prime Minister of Punjab, he will give you all the details.
06:19 In a recent interview, the former Prime Minister, Mr. Shahid Khan Abbasi, said that he was putting all the blame on the current Prime Minister of Punjab.
06:41 We did not have any contact with the Punjab government.
06:49 When the Islamabad police took action, not a single person from the Punjab police came to the area.
06:56 When the attack on Mr. Indusar's house took place, no Punjab police came there.
07:00 Mr. Ayub, you had a reaction on the Ahsan issue. If you had to give a reaction, you would have put all these things in front of the commission.
07:11 Now, we are seeing these contradictions. We have to do this story because it is a big topic of tomorrow.
07:17 This report has to go to the Supreme Court.
07:20 You are seeing so much difference in their statements. What is the reason?
07:26 I don't understand the reason. The media has started programs, newspapers have published news, and are giving analysis.
07:36 What will they do?
07:37 The question is, where is the report?
07:40 The report has not reached the court.
07:42 It has not reached the Cabinet of Ministers.
07:44 The document that you are reading, which I examined yesterday, has not been submitted.
07:56 Until the Cabinet accepts it, it is a piece of paper.
08:01 The main issue is the Faizabad Dharna case. The Supreme Court's judgment is in the field.
08:15 It is the responsibility of the government, the government, and all the states to act on it.
08:22 This is a matter of implementation and the commission has been made in it.
08:26 The judgment is in the field of implementation.
08:31 You read it. The Chief Justice has said that the institutions should act against the people who are involved.
08:42 Now, all this burden is switched towards the government and the institutions.
08:50 Because the institutions are also under the government.
08:52 This is a fundamental matter. We are doing analysis on a piece of paper that may not be accepted by the government.
09:00 Do you think that when our Defence Minister, Senior Member of the Cabinet, and a member of the Pak Muslim League Noon,
09:09 gave an hour-long interview, and commented on that piece of paper?
09:14 Yes, he commented on that piece of paper. Until the Cabinet accepts it, it is a piece of paper.
09:21 You read the law and see. Even if the Defence Minister speaks,
09:25 which is not in the document's status according to the law,
09:29 you want to blame him for the mistake.
09:32 Because the Defence Minister has made that mistake.
09:35 So, Hassan Ayub should also make the same mistake.
09:37 Khawar Ghumri should also make the same mistake.
09:39 And Chaudhary Ghulam Hussain should also make the same mistake.
09:41 I will not talk about the government. Don't feel bad.
09:44 Last night, the former Prime Minister, and the Prime Minister is not a small position,
09:48 Shahid Khakhan Abbasi commented on this.
09:51 The current Defence Minister, Khawaja Asif commented on this.
09:57 The former Law Minister of Punjab, the former Interior Minister,
10:01 and the former Interior Minister of Punjab, Vafaaq Rana Sinaulana commented on this.
10:05 When the Cabinet meeting was held today, the Information Minister, Tariq Sahib,
10:11 was asked if there was any discussion on this.
10:13 He said, "We have not discussed this in the Cabinet yet."
10:16 So, this report, which Hassan Ayub Sahib is talking about,
10:19 this report will be presented to the government.
10:21 Will they send back this commission?
10:23 Or will they have to get the Supreme Court, our Chief Justice, to act on this?
10:28 He has obviously taken notice.
10:30 So, we will see that.
10:31 My question is, are these people, all these ministers,
10:36 are they more reliable, or is the Pakistan law more reliable?
10:40 Absolutely.
10:41 In my opinion, the law is more reliable.
10:43 So, until this report is not made in accordance with the law,
10:47 this is just a piece of paper.
10:49 Whether the Defence Minister talks about this,
10:51 the former Interior Minister talks about this, the former Minister talks about this,
10:53 the Minister of Commerce is more reliable.
10:55 Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam, you heard the conversation.
10:57 So, we are talking about this piece of paper, because all these things are a piece of paper.
11:01 There is a report, a summary has been presented on the report.
11:04 Today, if they don't get breakfast, then they can order it.
11:09 Hassan Ayub Sahib, when you made this commission,
11:13 his members, the chairmen signed it.
11:16 Whether someone likes it or not, rejects it or accepts it, it stays.
11:22 This is not a piece of paper.
11:24 It is a report, duly formed by a commission, formed by the government.
11:30 So, don't do this, don't make it an object of ridicule,
11:34 because you don't like this report, so this is wrong.
11:39 So, whatever you want to say, the cabinet can do whatever they want.
11:44 They have given their findings to the three-member committee or commission.
11:50 They have made some people speechless,
11:52 and they have implicated them on some issues and put responsibility on them.
11:57 And this is not a small matter.
11:59 But, because you have to tie a blindfold on your eyes and do firing like many other matters,
12:07 so, Bismillah, keep doing it.
12:09 I have said something wrong, Mr. Chaudhary.
12:11 Mr. Chaudhary, the point you have raised...
12:13 The commission has given the report, that you are calling a piece of paper.
12:17 Has it been submitted to the cabinet, in the cabinet division?
12:20 The point that Mr. Hassan Ayub has raised,
12:23 and obviously, when it is presented, it will go ahead,
12:27 but no one has raised any questions on its standards, its findings.
12:31 No one has said anything, except for the piece of paper by Hassan Ayub.
12:34 Mr. Chaudhary, you have noticed the Lahore bat,
12:38 just before the program started, I was watching,
12:40 I said, your face is down, what is the reason?
12:42 You are tired.
12:43 He is very tired.
12:44 He is saying that, I don't know.
12:45 He is very tired.
12:46 He is crying because of the way, he was judged.
12:50 Now, you are not able to understand, what should we talk about?
12:53 We have discussed the technical part, now you are not able to get out of it.
12:56 Mr. Nagri, tell us, the problem is that,
12:59 there is a report, its standards have come,
13:01 and at that time, the Prime Minister,
13:03 was a relevant party, he gave an interview at night.
13:06 At that time, the Interior Minister of Punjab,
13:09 he gave an interview at night, you have read the comment.
13:12 Now, the findings of these reports,
13:14 the people of Pakistan Muslim League,
13:16 the statements of these people,
13:17 they are making an argument on their own.
13:20 Now, we are being accused, that why are we discussing this?
13:23 That all the Pakistan media, all the channels,
13:26 all the newspapers, be it English or Urdu,
13:28 they are fools, they are just like that,
13:31 they are just behind the truck,
13:33 that they are just discussing like that,
13:34 they are wasting time, in your opinion.
13:36 Yes, Khawar bhai,
13:37 see, I have always said one thing,
13:41 I will say it again,
13:43 that I don't follow the truck,
13:45 which is being followed by the whole nation.
13:48 This, to see, have you seen the report?
13:51 I have seen it, has anyone else seen it?
13:54 The report that no one has seen yet,
13:56 there is so much debate on it.
13:59 Now, let's talk about the statements of these politicians,
14:03 who, Mashallah, reach such big, big offices.
14:07 Khawaja Asif Sahib is the Minister of Defence of Pakistan at the moment.
14:11 If he has any objections to this report,
14:13 then he should have given a very careful statement.
14:16 Because Khawaja Asif is not a politician at the moment,
14:19 he is the Minister of Defence of Pakistan.
14:22 He should have taken very careful action while giving the statement.
14:25 If he had any objections,
14:26 then he would have brought the objections to his record in such a way,
14:29 that this whole matter would not have become a joke.
14:32 Now, why is Khawaja Asif doing all this?
14:34 Let's try to go into the depth of this.
14:36 Unfortunately, our politicians reach big offices,
14:40 but they don't finish their point scoring, their personal scoring.
14:45 You have seen Khawaja Asif's recent dispute with General Bajwa in the media.
14:50 He gave statements about General Bajwa,
14:52 then he quoted that General Bajwa said this to me.
14:54 And who was the Army Chief at that time?
14:56 The report of the time, in 2017, was General Bajwa.
14:59 That is why Khawaja Asif is talking so much out of the line.
15:02 Maybe Khakha Nafasi Sahib has a problem.
15:05 Maybe Khakha Nafasi Sahib does not like this government of the Muslim League Moon.
15:08 That is why he is blaming the Prime Minister of the Punjab government,
15:13 who is now the Prime Minister of Pakistan.
15:15 So, the Pakistani people will have to see and understand all this.
15:19 What is the background of the statements that these people are giving?
15:23 In what background are they talking all this?
15:26 And as far as the report is concerned,
15:28 tell me, have all the people who are giving statements seen the report?
15:31 Mr. Nagbee, your point has come forward.
15:34 You are young, and with time you will learn more about journalism.
15:40 You will learn more than us.
15:42 The journalism in the world, why are you putting a lid on our food?
15:46 No, no, I am not objecting.
15:48 Listen to me. Let me complete.
15:52 The executive summary has not yet been denied.
15:58 It is contained in 49 paragraphs.
16:00 You should read it. It is available everywhere.
16:03 And all the big journalists of Pakistan are sitting everywhere.
16:07 Whether it is television or newspapers, they have talked about it.
16:11 No one has said that this is a piece of paper.
16:14 Look, my point is that I have understood your point.
16:16 I will ask you a question.
16:19 Now, you say every day that you are not behind the truck's light,
16:24 which the politicians put behind the Pakistani people.
16:27 We want to know where that truck is made from.
16:31 Where do they make special designs on it?
16:34 Tell us about the truck that you are behind.
16:37 So that we are also behind that truck.
16:39 So that we can also put the Pakistani people behind it.
16:41 I am not behind any truck.
16:42 I said that the truck that the politicians put behind,
16:45 or any narrative building in Pakistan,
16:48 the truck that is put behind,
16:50 is a truck of personal interest, not of national interest.
16:53 I wanted to say this.
16:55 The second thing you said,
16:57 that this is a generalist method,
17:01 if there is any news like this, it is talked about.
17:04 I have not objected to talking about it at all.
17:06 I want to tell you about the politicians who are talking,
17:10 what is the background of what the politicians are talking about?
17:14 In what context are they talking about all this?
17:17 I have talked about it.
17:18 Absolutely right.
17:19 Hassan, this is a piece of paper in your opinion.
17:21 It is a very important issue.
17:23 For the past 7-8 years,
17:25 this truck, or the truth,
17:28 or the stories in the air,
17:31 the politics of Pakistan Muslim League,
17:33 the stories of Pakistan,
17:35 the stories that were made after the Faizabad protest,
17:39 everyone put their opinion in it.
17:41 What should we have done as journalists?
17:44 If you had a 49-paragraph written summary,
17:47 what would you have done?
17:48 You would have put it in your pocket.
17:50 I have the Supreme Court order.
17:53 So, I would have followed the orders.
17:55 This commission was made on the basis of the same orders.
17:57 You should have followed the same orders.
17:59 In the same orders,
18:00 paragraph 53 was put in front of it,
18:03 that the order we gave in 2016,
18:07 why is there no action on it?
18:09 When this decision was made in 2018,
18:11 why is there no action on it?
18:12 In 2017.
18:13 So, the people who are behind it,
18:16 identify them,
18:17 the responsible people,
18:18 and punish them.
18:19 This was the punishment.
18:20 So, this commission is responsible for it.
18:22 What should we do?
18:23 The commission is responsible for it,
18:25 but the commission's report,
18:27 first we have to go to the federal cabinet.
18:30 The cabinet will approve it.
18:32 After approval, it will be submitted to the Supreme Court.
18:35 Then, the Supreme Court has the authority.
18:37 Does the Supreme Court accept it or reject it?
18:40 The Supreme Court says,
18:42 what we were telling you,
18:43 it did not look for it.
18:45 Now, it depends on the judges sitting on the bench,
18:49 the matter is sub judice,
18:51 the implementation is their judgment.
18:54 So, that judgment is also theirs,
18:56 the Chief Justice's.
18:57 So, they have to tell.
18:58 Now, I am not the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
19:00 that I sit and talk,
19:01 but you know that the implementation that has to be done,
19:05 has to be done by the Supreme Court itself.
19:07 And the Supreme Court has to decide
19:09 that the commission's report,
19:11 does it accept it,
19:13 does it reject it,
19:15 when someone gives such an order again,
19:17 then why do you make judges?
19:19 What is the point of that?
19:20 But these findings are...
19:21 But this is not the final verdict.
19:22 In my opinion, the final verdict is the Supreme Court's decision.
19:25 The Supreme Court's decision,
19:26 regarding the Faizabad protest,
19:28 that is the final verdict.
19:29 The implementation was not being done on it.
19:31 The Chief Justice, who is present,
19:32 when he came,
19:33 he took a notice on it,
19:35 and after that, this commission was formed.
19:36 Now, the problem is, Mr. Chai,
19:37 that the report has come,
19:40 its executive summary has come in front of us,
19:42 it is present in it.
19:43 Now, the executive summary is saying that
19:45 the responsibility is fundamentally,
19:47 at that time, the Chief Minister,
19:49 who is the respected Shahbaz Sharif of Punjab,
19:51 and the present Prime Minister,
19:52 this comes under his responsibility.
19:53 This is in front of you, whatever it is.
19:55 He said, first of all,
19:56 we needed his record,
19:59 that we had a lot of difficulty in getting it,
20:03 but whatever the findings that have come in front of us,
20:05 according to that,
20:06 the responsibility is on the head of Shahbaz Sharif.
20:08 So, Mr. Chai, what are you seeing?
20:10 What will happen after this?
20:11 How will this matter move forward?
20:13 The point of Mr. Hassan is absolutely correct,
20:15 that the final decision will be when this report will go,
20:18 the Supreme Court has taken a notice,
20:20 and the Supreme Court will give its final implementation,
20:24 will reject the report, will accept it,
20:26 but the report is there.
20:27 No, when you formed a commission,
20:31 they submitted the report according to your wishes,
20:34 whatever facts they got,
20:36 whatever documents they examined,
20:38 whatever evidence they got,
20:40 whatever was presented in front of them,
20:42 now you have, or I have,
20:44 what authority do I have to say that this is a piece of paper,
20:47 Kabina should accept it.
20:48 Kabina should accept it or not,
20:50 the Supreme Court has formed a commission,
20:52 they will submit the report,
20:53 they will say that they should follow it,
20:56 they need further attention,
20:59 or it will be outrightly rejected.
21:02 So, all this is the decision of the Supreme Court,
21:05 who has formed this commission.
21:07 So, now we say that Kabina will not pass,
21:10 I am sorry, this is a bit...
21:12 No, Kabina, I am saying this for the sake of the viewers,
21:14 because this commission was formed on the orders of the Supreme Court,
21:18 and the logistics that had to be provided,
21:20 obviously, the government has to do it,
21:22 they have made it,
21:23 and the matter will finally go to the Supreme Court,
21:25 we will go to the break, viewers,
21:27 after the break we will talk about the politics of the Pakistan League,
21:30 what is going on there,
21:31 because there are a lot of news coming from the party,
21:33 that Mian Sahib will have to be active on the political level,
21:37 because the political damage that is happening to us,
21:40 no one else has the remedy for it,
21:43 only when Mian Sahib comes back,
21:45 he will take care of his secretariat of the Noon League,
21:48 then only will we be saved.
21:50 Stay with us.
21:51 Welcome back, viewers,
21:54 what is happening in the politics of Pakistan Muslim League Noon,
21:58 we will talk about it,
21:59 but before going to this story,
22:01 I would like to ask a quick question to Mr. Naqvi,
22:04 Mr. Naqvi, the government of Balochistan is also being formed,
22:07 you had said that it will be formed in a day or two,
22:09 what is the latest deadline that is coming in front of us?
22:11 Look, according to my information,
22:15 this government should have been formed,
22:17 I don't know if there are issues there,
22:22 because of which it is not being announced,
22:24 No, this is not a truck,
22:26 whose husband is he following,
22:28 he has been following you, me and all his people,
22:31 tell him.
22:32 Whatever happens in Balochistan,
22:34 you know, it has been going on for 20-30 years,
22:37 it is not something new,
22:39 we and you have to accept it in a way,
22:42 it is not something new.
22:44 14 ministers are being formed,
22:46 till when?
22:47 6 of them are becoming machines,
22:49 by the way, a sitting will be done tomorrow,
22:52 some other things are being done,
22:54 the pipeline will be done today,
22:56 the work is already going on,
22:58 the sitting has already been done,
23:00 the meeting has been done in Marcos,
23:02 and the leadership is sitting there,
23:04 I know,
23:05 you know about the meeting,
23:07 he said during an interview,
23:09 I am coming to you, Mr. Chaudhary,
23:11 the minister has asked me,
23:13 it can take 2-2.5 months, what is the problem?
23:15 I will tell you,
23:16 no, no, we are talking about 2 days,
23:18 according to him,
23:20 Mr. Chaudhary, you wanted to say something,
23:22 the way we have seen till now,
23:26 there is a minister,
23:28 he got the vote of trust,
23:30 he became the minister,
23:32 if he is not getting much approval from the ministers,
23:36 he is not getting approval to give him the position,
23:39 then those who have no objection,
23:42 or without whom the government can't work,
23:45 that is the minister of treasury,
23:47 minister of income,
23:49 and the local government,
23:53 and 4-5 people,
23:55 the rest, may not make it for the whole life,
23:58 but I don't understand,
24:00 only she wants that we give him the position in Balochistan,
24:05 and support him,
24:07 when he is with us,
24:09 which is called in Punjabi,
24:11 that Mr. Khabar,
24:13 bring us back to Marcos.
24:15 This is the same news that Mr. Chaudhary talked about yesterday,
24:18 and this is the same news that Pakistan Muslim League is insisting,
24:21 with regards to Pakistan People's Party,
24:23 that Mr. Khabar, come and become a part of it,
24:26 because this is the same news that Mr. Naqvi gave,
24:28 that maybe he will join after Ramadan,
24:30 but in Pakistan People's Party,
24:32 there is a very clear statement,
24:34 that we will not come under this burden,
24:37 and especially Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari,
24:39 Mr. Chaudhary is not telling this news,
24:41 you are telling our news,
24:43 that Pakistan People's Party and Azad Arshan,
24:45 will form a government together.
24:47 Mr. Chaudhary has said that this is possible in the future.
24:51 No, he said this before,
24:53 he said this before,
24:55 I am not ruling out that.
24:57 He is not ruling out that,
24:59 it is based on his own news.
25:01 Let's move ahead, Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
25:03 After the budget,
25:05 maybe People's Party will be invited once,
25:07 after the budget.
25:09 This is a new track.
25:11 And the leader,
25:13 Mr. Aliya Sadiq,
25:15 is in constant contact with People's Party,
25:17 and he is playing a good role,
25:19 as a bridge.
25:21 And I hope that,
25:23 he can be a part of this.
25:25 In the end of the day,
25:27 Mr. Bilawal and Mr. Zardari,
25:29 will decide,
25:31 that they want to join,
25:33 in the Fafagat Abina.
25:35 But their party,
25:37 their MLA's,
25:39 will be there.
25:41 You must have seen,
25:43 when the government was established in Punjab,
25:45 in Fafagat,
25:47 Khawaja Sahib told us,
25:49 that the elder MLA,
25:51 who has grown up,
25:53 will do tutorship,
25:55 and especially in Punjab,
25:57 his daughter,
25:59 who has become the CM for the first time,
26:01 will help her in running the government.
26:03 They are present,
26:05 in their meetings.
26:07 So, this is a good initiative.
26:09 We hope that,
26:11 there is true spirit and letter on this.
26:13 But, we go here to get food,
26:15 and in Islamabad,
26:17 in Rabatunmi,
26:19 there is no action,
26:21 on this scheme.
26:23 Now, the question is,
26:25 there is a lot of pressure,
26:27 from the party.
26:29 You have heard,
26:31 the TV interviews,
26:33 of all the leaders,
26:35 who have been,
26:37 very close to Senator Kamani,
26:39 and advised him,
26:41 critically.
26:43 What did he say,
26:45 when he was meeting,
26:47 in London,
26:49 in Pakistan,
26:51 when he came back,
26:53 what advice did he give?
26:55 I still think,
26:57 that Nawaz Sharif Sahib should be there.
26:59 I had told him,
27:01 that if the people,
27:03 want to serve,
27:05 then please,
27:07 separate the government,
27:09 and the Jamaat.
27:11 I think,
27:13 the time has come,
27:15 to separate the government,
27:17 and the Jamaat.
27:19 Nawaz Sharif Sahib,
27:21 had a regular contact,
27:23 with the workers.
27:25 I am a witness.
27:27 Now, he will have to go there.
27:29 The party's command,
27:31 should be in his hands.
27:33 Because, the Prime Minister,
27:35 does not have the time,
27:37 to give the Jamaat,
27:39 and the Jamaat,
27:41 is run on the basis of contact.
27:43 Javed Ali Ghulam Sain,
27:45 I have spoken to some people,
27:47 of Pakistan Muslim League Noon,
27:49 they are very worried.
27:51 Who are they worried about?
27:53 They are worried,
27:55 that they are telling,
27:57 that Mr. Mian,
27:59 is not going to be there,
28:01 and the political parties,
28:03 are going to be harmed.
28:05 The meeting with the Muslim Journalists,
28:07 in Lahore,
28:09 what is your information,
28:11 or are you in contact with them?
28:13 What are you going to do?
28:15 You are asking,
28:17 Mr. Hassan Ayyub,
28:19 this is enough.
28:21 Having said this,
28:23 when you wish,
28:25 we will take Javed Latif,
28:27 to Lahore.
28:29 Now, he has put a big allegation,
28:31 that 5 seats in Sheikhupura,
28:33 for 90 crore rupees,
28:35 were bought from there.
28:37 Mr. Chaudhary, the party,
28:39 the information minister,
28:41 has said that we do not take,
28:43 Javed Latif's statements seriously.
28:45 So, until there was no clarification,
28:47 from the party,
28:49 from the government,
28:51 we were telling,
28:53 that despite Hassan Ayyub's opposition,
28:55 the party has distanced itself,
28:57 and said that they do not need serious land.
28:59 So, I do not know,
29:01 where did Javed Latif,
29:03 give 90 crore or 100 crore rupees?
29:05 Even Sher Afzal Marwat,
29:07 has said that Saudi Arabia,
29:09 had overthrown his government.
29:11 He has also expressed his discontent,
29:13 on the PTI's Rohit Hassan,
29:15 so let us comment on that too.
29:17 No, no, you go ahead,
29:19 because this is not a good topic,
29:21 let him comment.
29:23 You have been talking about Javed Latif,
29:25 and you have considered him to be a fake,
29:27 but you do not want to talk about Sher Afzal Marwat,
29:29 because he has said that,
29:31 he has put allegations on Saudi Arabia.
29:33 I have said it today,
29:35 because even I have the same heart.
29:37 I am coming to you.
29:39 Both of these people,
29:41 I have said that,
29:43 whether it is Javed Latif,
29:45 or Sher Marwat,
29:47 both of their parties,
29:49 in their party leadership,
29:51 have expressed their discontent,
29:53 with their statements.
29:55 When we were going to do the program,
29:57 we thought that we will do it on this,
29:59 but the party said that we do not want to take anything.
30:01 I am coming to you, Mr. Chheda.
30:03 No, no,
30:05 I am also coming to you.
30:07 Whether it is Haider Naqvi,
30:09 or Khawar Guman, or Hassan Ayub,
30:11 we are a team here.
30:13 When I asked you,
30:15 that Nawaz Sharif,
30:17 who is your,
30:19 who is your,
30:21 and who lost to Dr. Yasmin Rashid,
30:23 in the 130th round,
30:25 and he has now,
30:27 given a request to the tribunal,
30:29 and she is rotting in jail,
30:31 a 75 year old woman,
30:33 I am clear that,
30:35 she is happily,
30:37 going to jail.
30:39 He has lost to her,
30:41 but,
30:43 that night,
30:45 he was going to make a press conference,
30:47 and he was going to say,
30:49 that the money given to so and so,
30:51 I will tell you all the details,
30:53 apart from other things.
30:55 You do not come to that.
30:57 You tell me, I will go to him.
30:59 Okay, Mr. Naqvi,
31:01 let me talk to him first.
31:03 But Mr. Chheda,
31:05 I have this small intuition,
31:07 that when we talk, we will talk.
31:09 If we do not talk, what can we do?
31:11 Yes, Mr. Naqvi.
31:13 I was talking about the statement of Shehrafzal,
31:15 which I had mentioned.
31:17 If that is part of the program,
31:19 I will talk to him,
31:21 otherwise I will talk to the historian you are running.
31:23 No, no, you see,
31:25 the habit of the party,
31:27 which was a big allegation yesterday,
31:29 Mr. Javed Latif talked about his party,
31:31 and some of the initiatives.
31:33 No, I would like to say this to Mr. Javed Latif,
31:35 with due respect,
31:37 with great respect,
31:39 I would like to say this to Mr. Javed Latif,
31:41 that thank God,
31:43 if he had lost in the elections,
31:45 he would have been sitting at every talk show,
31:47 and talking like Mr. Javed Latif.
31:49 Okay, now Mr. Areem Shah,
31:51 Mr. Naqvi,
31:53 brother,
31:55 Sir, Sir,
31:57 tell me,
31:59 are these trucks being driven by themselves,
32:01 or are they behind the lights of the trucks?
32:03 Please explain this.
32:05 Which truck are you talking about?
32:07 He is saying that this truck,
32:09 whatever you have put in the field,
32:11 the truck that is running in the field,
32:13 the one behind the lights,
32:15 who is driving it?
32:17 You are not riding in it,
32:19 are you driving it?
32:21 No, no, I am not riding in it,
32:23 I am driving it,
32:25 I am not behind the lights,
32:27 I am behind, I am not ahead,
32:29 the truck driver is ahead.
32:31 Okay, let's talk about Asif Karmani,
32:33 Asif Karmani is not a part of the Muslim League Nawaz,
32:35 we present him as a Muslim League Nawaz,
32:37 I mean,
32:39 you know,
32:41 once a senator is always a senator throughout life,
32:43 he is not a part of Muslim League Nawaz,
32:45 is your membership cancelled?
32:47 Yes, absolutely.
32:49 Show me the certificate,
32:51 when your membership is over.
32:53 Okay, tomorrow,
32:55 listen to me,
32:57 no, no, no,
32:59 Mr. Hasan Ayub,
33:01 you will show us first,
33:03 that his basic membership,
33:05 if it is cancelled,
33:07 you will show us.
33:09 Mr. Nafee,
33:11 regarding PM Al-N,
33:13 that Mr. Mian is not seeing the challenges
33:15 in the alliance,
33:17 but in Punjab.
33:19 The thing is,
33:21 in Punjab,
33:23 Pakistan Muslim League,
33:25 is the only government of Noon.
33:27 In the alliance,
33:29 there is a united government,
33:31 and there are political parties,
33:33 where whenever a decision is made,
33:35 there is a party.
33:37 Are you listening to me?
33:39 Yes, I am listening to you.
33:41 Sir, Hammad Tangoj.
33:43 So, the thing is,
33:45 in the alliance,
33:47 there is a need for more consultation,
33:49 guidance,
33:51 and I think,
33:53 and there are no doubts,
33:55 that the most experienced politician
33:57 in Pakistan,
33:59 in terms of administration,
34:01 in terms of politics,
34:03 is the one who is the most experienced.
34:05 So, what can we say about this?
34:07 We will talk about this after the break.
34:09 In Pakistan,
34:11 there is a good initiative in Punjab,
34:13 the price of bread has come down.
34:15 Now, in terms of wheat,
34:17 what is the support price?
34:19 What are the farmers demanding?
34:21 How is wheat?
34:23 How is rice being sold?
34:25 And then,
34:27 because the government
34:29 has controlled the prices in different places,
34:31 they give the government
34:33 the money for the wheat and the bread.
34:35 But, without this,
34:37 we don't get anything.
34:39 Because, we are sitting here,
34:41 and the price of bread is going up.
34:43 We will talk about this after the break.
34:45 Welcome back, viewers.
34:47 Obviously, the season of wheat is starting.
34:49 Especially in the rear-end,
34:51 in Punjab, in different areas,
34:53 especially in the south,
34:55 the wheat is being cut.
34:57 The support price of wheat is being discussed.
34:59 The price of bread is being cut.
35:01 We are also discussing this.
35:03 We have with us, Khalid Hussain Bhatt,
35:05 Chairman of the Farmer's Union.
35:07 Let's talk to him about
35:09 the support price of the government,
35:11 what are your demands?
35:13 And this initiative of cutting the price of bread,
35:15 is the government subsidizing it?
35:17 Is it possible?
35:19 Because, the way
35:21 the implementation should have been done,
35:23 it is not happening as per the order.
35:25 Thank you very much, Khalid sir.
35:27 We have put the points in front of you.
35:29 Please comment on this.
35:31 Where is the problem?
35:33 What should be the solution?
35:35 Thank you very much,
35:37 especially to Mr. Irvai.
35:39 Whenever we have the voice of the farmers,
35:41 Mr. Irvai has raised us.
35:43 As you know,
35:45 we held a shroud-cloth protest
35:47 at the Lahore Press Club,
35:49 and on 29th, we announced
35:51 a protest in front of the Punjab Assembly.
35:53 Because last year,
35:55 we bought wheat from the Punjab Assembly.
35:57 At that time, the crop was
35:59 Urea 3500, DAP 10,000,
36:01 the electricity unit was cheap,
36:03 and diesel was cheap.
36:05 Now, the Urea we bought
36:07 was in 6000, and that too in lano,
36:09 DAP was 16,000,
36:11 the unit was 70 rupees,
36:13 and diesel, as you know,
36:15 despite that, the rate of wheat
36:17 we were given was 49 rupees.
36:19 And the policy they have made in 49 rupees,
36:21 they are not buying it in 49 rupees.
36:23 You know that they imported
36:25 wheat worth 22 lakh dollars from abroad.
36:27 They knew that the wheat from Sindh
36:29 and South Punjab
36:31 comes from Upper Punjab
36:33 about a month before.
36:35 So, it is so cruel that in 49 rupees,
36:37 they say that the owner of 6 acres
36:39 will bring the person,
36:41 and we will give 6 sacks to that 6 acres owner.
36:43 The poor guy does not even sell
36:45 the 6 acres owner.
36:47 He has 25-30 people in his house,
36:49 and he is able to survive with great difficulty.
36:51 So, the government is not ready
36:53 to buy it in 49 rupees.
36:55 Whereas, our caste,
36:57 from last year,
36:59 this year, we have taken a lot of
37:01 wheat from lano.
37:03 So, I appeal to the government,
37:05 to Mariam Sahiba,
37:07 they say that they do not have money.
37:09 Mariam Sahiba, if you do not have money,
37:11 CM Sahiba, you distributed
37:13 44 rupees to the poor.
37:15 By God's grace, we went to celebrate Eid in the village,
37:17 we did not see that it was
37:19 a big issue.
37:21 So, it is a very genuine issue.
37:23 What are you accusing?
37:25 The bread,
37:27 the price of bread has been reduced.
37:29 How are you seeing this?
37:31 How will it be?
37:33 Are you giving a subsidy?
37:35 Or the mills
37:37 will take advantage of this?
37:39 Yes, the mills will see.
37:41 You know,
37:43 how much wheat is being sold today?
37:45 Bawalpur division and
37:47 Baltan division,
37:49 100% wheat has been sold.
37:51 And in this rain,
37:53 in this storm, wheat has been lying on the ground.
37:55 Where is the storage of wheat,
37:57 that the farmer can store it in his store?
37:59 The flour mill
38:01 is buying it for 3000 rupees.
38:03 And he is telling the government that he is buying it for 4900 rupees.
38:05 In fact, he is buying it for 2800 rupees.
38:07 Before Eid, people bought it for 2200 rupees.
38:09 The poor farmers have sold it to celebrate Eid.
38:11 So, the flour mill
38:13 and the middle man,
38:15 the government has given them
38:17 so much opportunity.
38:19 They have said that they will not buy wheat from the farmers.
38:21 The middle man of the flour mill,
38:23 the flour mill man,
38:25 he is buying wheat for 2200-2500 rupees
38:27 and he is telling the government that it is for 4900 rupees.
38:29 So, I appeal to the government
38:31 to stop the flour mill man.
38:33 We don't even have a tenant in 4900 rupees.
38:35 So, if the flour mill man
38:37 is buying wheat for 4900 rupees
38:39 and giving it to the farmers
38:41 for how much?
38:43 What is the government giving him?
38:45 Only the government can know.
38:47 We don't know anything yet.
38:49 Mr. Khalid, tell us,
38:51 I am from Barani Raqay
38:53 and I am also a landlord.
38:55 Earlier, we used to save money
38:57 by selling wheat.
38:59 We used to save money by selling wheat.
39:01 We used to save money by selling wheat.
39:03 But now,
39:05 it is not feasible to sell wheat
39:07 even with any trust.
39:09 Do you think that in the coming days,
39:11 the farmer will be able to sell wheat?
39:13 No, no.
39:15 The harvester we use to sell wheat
39:17 does not produce any wheat.
39:19 The harvester produces wheat.
39:21 We don't have the harvester.
39:23 We get the wheat from the thresher.
39:25 Diesel is so expensive.
39:27 We don't have a thresher.
39:29 Can we get the wheat from the thresher
39:31 and save money?
39:33 We are facing so much injustice.
39:35 Believe me, I was in the village.
39:37 I say that the condition of the farmers
39:39 is very bad.
39:41 They used to appeal to us
39:43 not to get wheat from outside.
39:45 They told us to sell wheat
39:47 in the quantity of the wheat we get.
39:49 We sold wheat in the quantity of the wheat we get.
39:51 Now, the government should be happy
39:53 that for the first time in Pakistan,
39:55 wheat is in the quantity of the wheat we get.
39:57 You have to pay dollars to get it.
39:59 The Nagaran government
40:01 has been so cruel to us
40:03 that we have to pay $2.2 million
40:05 to get wheat from outside.
40:07 The office of Mariam Sahiba
40:09 is open.
40:11 She says that it is a problem
40:13 to meet her daily.
40:15 Have you met her?
40:17 Have you negotiated with her?
40:19 Sir, where do we ask the farmers?
40:23 Where do we meet the farmers?
40:25 Where do we call the farmers?
40:27 I go to Mariam Sahiba's office
40:29 in the morning and say that
40:31 we won't let them enter.
40:33 It is a matter of meeting.
40:35 All the doors are closed.
40:37 We don't talk to any party
40:39 or any other party.
40:41 Mariam Sahiba sits with us
40:43 and decides the price of wheat.
40:45 We put slogans for her
40:47 that she has done the best for the farmers.
40:49 We support her.
40:51 I am surprised that
40:53 Mariam Sahiba went out
40:55 and the people who are sitting with her
40:57 and the people who are in the bureaucracy
40:59 say that you did this
41:01 and you have so many followers
41:03 and you have increased.
41:05 For God's sake, go and meet the farmers.
41:07 If you kill the farmers of this country,
41:09 if the country is successful till date.
41:11 Choye sahib, you can ask questions
41:13 and also comment.
41:15 Yes, Choye sahib.
41:17 I know Khalid bhaat.
41:19 He has given many speeches.
41:21 But the thing is
41:23 I got a call from Bahawalpur
41:25 that I have read 12,000 volumes of wheat
41:27 and we are not getting any news.
41:29 And I have asked the food people
41:31 and they said that
41:33 the wheat is already there
41:35 and the imported wheat is also there.
41:37 We have no policy
41:39 to buy wheat from people.
41:41 Whether it rains or it rains
41:43 no one cares.
41:45 And without a doubt,
41:47 Khalid bhaat and all the farmers
41:49 will stop the Istanbul
41:51 or Lahore.
41:53 First solve the matter.
41:55 Mr. Naqvi is also present
41:57 and he also wants to ask you a question.
41:59 This question.
42:01 I don't know Khalid bhai.
42:03 Choye sahib knows him.
42:05 But my brother is more of a politician.
42:07 The farmers' representatives are less.
42:09 First he accused of 24,000-25,000 rupees
42:11 of wheat that he didn't see anywhere.
42:13 Then he accused Mariam sahiba
42:15 that her followers have increased.
42:17 I want to say one more thing.
42:19 Take my answer completely.
42:21 I want to say one more thing.
42:23 See, these small farmers
42:25 are working under big landlords
42:27 and they sell their land.
42:29 And these big landlords
42:31 are all politicians.
42:33 The big landlords are in the governments.
42:35 So the Pakistani people
42:37 will have to see that
42:39 if these prices increase,
42:41 the small farmers are not getting the benefit.
42:43 The big landlords are getting the benefit.
42:45 The landlords sitting in the government
42:47 are getting the benefit.
42:49 It is very surprising that
42:51 if we talk about the poor,
42:53 we have become politicians.
42:55 Allah Hafiz.