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Off The Record - Kashif Abbasi Sarcastic Comment on Nawaz Sharif's Politics - Important Report
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00:00 Asalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program Kashif Abbasi.
00:14 Last night, the most important developments took place.
00:17 A meeting was held at Chaudhary Shujaat's house.
00:19 All the political parties that are going to become a part of the government, whether they become a part of the cabinet or not,
00:24 they all gathered.
00:26 Some very important decisions were announced.
00:28 Yesterday, Mian Nawaz Sharif decided that Shahbaz Sharif will be the Prime Minister.
00:33 Mian Nawaz Sharif is not the candidate for the Prime Minister.
00:36 In Punjab, Mariam Nawaz Sharif will be the Chief Minister for the Muslim League Noon.
00:43 This was being discussed as a clarification for a long time.
00:46 If the majority of the Muslim League Noon does not get the PM, then it will be very difficult for Mian Nawaz Sharif to become the PM.
00:51 It was also being said that Mian Nawaz Sharif will try to adjust Mariam Nawaz Sharif in politics.
00:58 A big advantage of giving Punjab to Mian Nawaz Sharif will be that he will be in control of the party.
01:04 Because Punjab is where the development funds are.
01:06 People see the PM of Punjab as an MPO or MNA because they need funds.
01:11 That is why this position is very important.
01:13 Mariam Nawaz Sharif will become the CM first.
01:17 I am sure that in the next stint, she will come to the center of politics.
01:21 These decisions were made.
01:23 But the interesting thing is that Mian Nawaz Sharif had to save this country.
01:31 Since the last 6 years, when he left, the government of 16 months of PDM,
01:37 the government of 3.5 years of Tariq-e-Insaf, destroyed this country.
01:44 But only one person could reverse this destruction or save this country.
01:50 And this campaign was made before the election.
01:53 You can see the songs of Muslim League Noon, you can see the statements of their leaders.
01:58 First of all, listen to the song that who saved the country, who made the country.
02:02 Pakistan had to give Nawaz, Pakistan has been given Shahbaz.
02:06 Now Shahbaz Sharif will be the PM of Pakistan.
02:09 The news of Nawaz Sharif was more than the news of Nawaz Sharif.
02:19 The public has given their decision.
02:21 These were the front page headlines of all the newspapers.
02:23 Two days before the election.
02:25 And it seemed that Mian Nawaz Sharif will be given Nawaz.
02:30 Mian Nawaz Sharif will become the PM of Pakistan.
02:34 And he is the one who will save Pakistan from these difficulties.
02:39 This did not happen.
02:40 What did the leaders say?
02:42 What will Mian do?
02:44 Listen to this.
02:45 The next PM will be Nawaz Sharif.
02:48 We will change the condition of Pakistan in five years.
02:51 You will give Nawaz Sharif a chance to serve.
02:54 In days, in months, God willing, your problems will be solved.
02:58 Mian Nawaz Sharif is our candidate, our hope.
03:01 And his team will take Pakistan back to G20.
03:05 The fourth time he will be the PM.
03:07 And all these problems will be solved.
03:09 We have such a great experienced leader in the form of our leader Nawaz Sharif.
03:16 Who defeated inflation.
03:19 Nawaz Sharif is the person who has the ability to remove Pakistan from this role.
03:25 Look, if you want to get out of this crisis, you need a man of the crisis.
03:29 The fourth time he has been announced for Nawaz Sharif on 21st October.
03:34 So it was said that he is a great leader, an experienced leader, a man of the crisis.
03:40 He will come and fix the country.
03:42 But then the country has been handed over to Shabaz Sharif.
03:46 Who was the PM in the last 16 months when the last assembly was in tenure.
03:51 And many people think that the situation in the elections
03:56 is that the government is responsible for this.
03:59 Which was run by Shabaz Sharif in the last 16 months.
04:03 Mian Nawaz Sharif was the factor that was being said to be a different factor that can fix Pakistan.
04:08 The rest of the cabinet was also included in the last cabinet.
04:10 So what will happen now?
04:12 Will the slogan that we will fix it now, work?
04:17 What will happen to Mian Sahib?
04:19 What will happen to Mian Sahib's politics?
04:21 Now it's over. Many people are analysing this.
04:23 I think Mian Sahib may not come in politics after this.
04:26 Or even if he comes, as Mian Nawaz Sharif said,
04:29 he may continue to run as a suppressor, as a prisoner.
04:32 The operational politics, in which elections, election campaign,
04:36 or fighting, winning, running the government, becoming the prime minister,
04:40 may not be possible.
04:42 Is Mian Sahib really out of politics now?
04:48 As always, Mr. Kaira is with us. Mr. Kaira, thank you.
04:51 Senator Abdul Qayyum, the senator of Muslim League Moon, thank you very much.
04:55 But another development is that the people's party, the coming unity,
05:00 is not in the cabinet.
05:02 There has been a lot of debate on this.
05:05 Now we will see what happens. But Mr. Kaira, I will start with you.
05:08 Let's not stick to people's party and us.
05:12 Let's look at the larger political scenario also.
05:15 Are you surprised that Mr. Shahbaz is dying from the ministerial post?
05:17 Or did you think that when the unity, the common people were not there,
05:21 then Mian Sahib would not become the minister?
05:24 It was a possibility that if Mian Sahib got the majority,
05:27 then he would become the minister. This was being said.
05:30 And in politics, you have to make adjustments.
05:33 Naturally, this decision was changed after the election results came.
05:37 And those who thought it better, they made that decision.
05:40 How will the country survive?
05:42 There are some slogans. You hold on to it very tightly.
05:47 Slogans are there to fill people's emotions, to give them strength.
05:54 And they claim it on their own.
05:57 And their claim is that when they ruled in the past,
06:00 they showed the growth of Pakistan.
06:02 They brought Pakistan out of difficulties. This is their claim.
06:05 So they have a way of displaying that claim.
06:09 Some are in the form of music, some are in the form of drumming.
06:13 And you know that speeches become a little enthusiastic during elections.
06:17 But I think the only selling point, the selling factor was that
06:21 Mian Nawaz Sharif is the man who can fix this country.
06:24 Kashif, one thing, every Jamaat has its own...
06:27 I shouldn't say it's saleable, it's not a suitable word.
06:30 They have their own projection, their own symbol.
06:33 But let me phrase this.
06:35 Every political party tries to make a hero before the elections.
06:39 That this is the man who can fix you.
06:41 That's what that party has.
06:43 Like Imran Khan has it with PTI, Nawaz Sharif has it with his party.
06:46 My party has Bilawal.
06:48 So this is a person, because we have hero-worship.
06:52 People attach themselves to their leader.
06:55 And he also has some success stories.
06:57 Similarly, every party...
06:59 They don't become a leader without a success story.
07:02 It takes time.
07:03 So to say that everything was done around him,
07:07 the one who has it will sell it.
07:10 Okay, I'll come back to the People's Party.
07:13 I'll ask Senator sir.
07:15 Senator sir, do you think that Mian sir has really left politics?
07:22 Or is his politics still there?
07:25 Has he adopted Canara Kashi?
07:27 Yes, Kashif, thank you very much.
07:32 No, I think he is very much in politics and will remain.
07:37 And he needs a lot of guidance at every level.
07:41 The statements that have been made by the party leaders,
07:45 that Mian sir will come and solve the problems.
07:47 Many people said that.
07:49 I was also a part of it.
07:51 And all these slogans of ours were based on sincerity.
07:56 And I still think that based on his experience,
08:01 Mian sir's experience,
08:03 and whatever he has been able to do for the country in the past,
08:07 be it connectivity, telecommunication, ports, airports, etc.
08:13 I think, and the way he did for the economy,
08:16 we have always thought, and I still think,
08:20 that Mian sir is as experienced and wise as a politician,
08:27 and mature, and has the courage to lead everyone.
08:32 But Senator sir, the reason for this is that
08:36 there was a government of 16 months,
08:38 and obviously there was his activity as well,
08:40 which was standing in front of you.
08:41 Now you cannot say that if Shabaz Sharif is the Prime Minister,
08:43 people will do what he did in the last 16 months.
08:46 So it was said that not Shabaz sir,
08:48 but these are the people who have destroyed the country,
08:50 who have destroyed the country's economy.
08:52 Because Mian sir said that when he will remove me in 2017,
08:55 then we will see what happens to the country.
08:57 Now I will fix it.
08:59 Because Shabaz sir is a part of that destruction.
09:03 If you look at it, this is the argument.
09:06 Yes, see there are two schools of thought in this as well.
09:11 One is what you are saying that
09:13 the Muslim League, NUN, or PDM has made it.
09:17 One school of thought, which we believe in,
09:21 is that the country was sliding down and was going towards default.
09:26 And you know what was the situation before No Confidence,
09:29 the economy, inflation,
09:31 and to save that default, they took a political step and saved it.
09:35 Sir, I am very sorry to say that your own party people,
09:38 who were the Finance Minister at that time,
09:40 were in your cabinet, Mr. Zubair, Mr. Muftah, and maybe Mr. Khanabasi,
09:44 some said that there was no danger of default,
09:47 some said that difficult decisions were not taken,
09:50 that the situation was not bad,
09:52 that you just had to deal with IMF.
09:54 Mr. Bilawal said that you delayed the deal for 4 months
09:57 and brought it to this state that the country was going towards default,
10:00 otherwise there was no danger of default.
10:02 The day you signed the deal, the danger of default was removed.
10:05 The danger of default is that the situation gets very bad.
10:08 Sometimes, the situation is bad, I am saying,
10:11 but the way was very easy.
10:13 Yes, yes.
10:15 Yes, Mr. Abbas, the problem is that this delay was also
10:19 with the purpose that the agreement that was made before,
10:24 in which you remember that Governor Chaudhary Sharwar said
10:28 that we have cut our hands and given it,
10:31 so we were bound, because it was a government agreement of Pakistan.
10:35 And that is why there was an effort to somehow
10:38 bring it down a little, so these problems happened.
10:41 But I assure you that look,
10:43 the difference between me and today is that
10:46 Nawaz Sharif was out of the country,
10:49 he was outside, he was outside of internal politics,
10:52 internal governance issues and many other things.
10:55 Today he is present here.
10:57 And secondly, I said that we, the people of the party,
11:00 kept saying that Nawaz Sharif is the best leader
11:03 and he should become the fourth time Prime Minister.
11:06 But there were also voices against him.
11:08 Everyone said that he is getting his term,
11:10 why fourth time Prime Minister?
11:12 That is, those people also kept making noise
11:15 and maybe they said that give a chance to new people.
11:18 Today I want to tell you that
11:20 Mr. Shahbaz Sharif also has his own experience.
11:23 And then when everyone is ready to sit together,
11:26 I was listening to Ali from Tariq-e-Insaf in the morning,
11:34 and I was very happy to listen that he also said that
11:37 we will not sit with anyone in coalition,
11:40 but we will sit and talk about national issues.
11:44 This was not his stance before.
11:46 Before he left the parliament,
11:48 he said that we should not shake hands,
11:50 he should not see anyone.
11:51 Yes, from the PTI, it is true that
11:53 a good statement is that we will engage.
11:55 And this is also their right that they should not sit in government with anyone.
11:58 Before going further, Mr. Khaira,
12:01 I come to you, Mr. Senator,
12:04 before I go to the government,
12:06 because obviously for me the confusing thing is that
12:09 this system has to run for five years.
12:11 So this is very interesting, but it was a little difficult.
12:15 I think, I don't think Noon will agree,
12:17 that you are a sword hanging on the head,
12:20 the People's Party will issue to issue.
12:23 But Mr. Bilawal's entire election campaign was that
12:26 he has destroyed the economy because of decisions.
12:29 Who told Mr. Sagar Dara?
12:31 And I will run his own statements first,
12:33 after that I will run Mr. Bilawal's statement,
12:35 that what did his own party say?
12:37 First listen to that.
12:39 Everyone knows that Mr. Indar is going to the wrong.
12:41 Can you afford to do these things now?
12:44 What steps have they taken to bring the exchange rate under control?
12:47 Mr. Ahsan Iqbal was transferred.
12:49 Since he came, the inflation has burst out of the roof.
12:51 I am happy that the people of Pakistan are getting rid of us.
12:54 We have not given them anything but pain.
12:56 There is also shame and regret,
12:58 and we apologize to the people of Pakistan.
13:00 I will add Mr. Mohammad Zubair to this.
13:05 He said that there was no danger of default.
13:08 We have overplayed this.
13:10 As you are saying, political rhetoric.
13:12 Mr. Bilawal has been saying very clearly that
13:14 the economy has reached here because of wrong decisions.
13:18 Mr. Bilawal's statement was that
13:21 the deal with IMF was delayed.
13:24 This was his position from the first day.
13:26 It is still there.
13:27 This is our position.
13:29 On the other hand, look at this,
13:31 we were completely aware of that moment.
13:33 What decisions did that moment make that were wrong?
13:36 It is true that things were going towards a decline.
13:39 And what happened after the government came?
13:43 The flood came after that.
13:45 Oil prices suddenly rose in the international market.
13:50 Now these two things are not in anyone's control.
13:53 If oil and gas prices have increased in the international market,
13:56 what can you do?
13:57 The dollar went to 330.
13:59 The dollar went to the open market.
14:01 It went to the open market, but why?
14:04 Because the government does not have fiscal space.
14:06 And you have to correct your balance of payments.
14:09 Pressure is on you.
14:11 It went because of the government's decisions.
14:13 Yes, it is true that in our time,
14:15 this happened in the 14th or 16th month.
14:18 This is true.
14:19 Was the reason for that internal decision making
14:22 or was there some compulsion or decision making?
14:25 You got the dollar at 172.
14:27 Sir, look, Kashif,
14:28 at one time, the dollar in Pakistan was worth 10 rupees.
14:31 Sir, one thing you said repeatedly,
14:34 which was said by Musnad Iqbal,
14:36 that in 2018, we left 5.8% growth.
14:39 In 2022, you will see a 6.2% growth.
14:44 I don't want to go into figures.
14:46 I am just saying that what you are saying that we will save,
14:50 that argument or Mr. Shabaz,
14:52 The 6.2 figure was never there.
14:54 Sir, check it.
14:55 It is not appropriate to call it fake,
14:58 but it was not there.
14:59 It was just an example figure.
15:01 The question is, Kashif,
15:02 The Bureau of Statistics will give you the figures.
15:05 It will give you a statement.
15:06 I did it.
15:07 You can see it.
15:08 I can see it.
15:09 It was not like that.
15:10 You have to show it.
15:11 We keep doing it.
15:12 The figures keep running.
15:13 I am simply saying that if such situations arise,
15:16 you see, the Pak rupees fell in comparison to the dollar,
15:21 in comparison to the pound,
15:23 the Bangladeshi currency also fell,
15:25 the rest of the currencies also fell in comparison to the dollar.
15:28 Is Pakistan's position so strong that the global pressure
15:32 or the global market will be able to handle the situation?
15:36 It did not fall by half.
15:38 Our position doubled.
15:40 If you have received the dollar at 172,
15:42 at 170 plus,
15:43 and it has gone up to 330,
15:45 then it is almost two times.
15:46 The Bangladeshi currency,
15:47 when the dollar is strong in the international market,
15:50 the currencies of the companies that peg with it are devalued.
15:54 I just asked you, Kashif,
15:55 what was the decision of the government of Pakistan
15:59 due to which this happened?
16:01 As far as the statements of the leaders of the Muslim League are concerned,
16:03 they were the internal arguments of the party,
16:05 the changes of that office.
16:06 Okay, let's come to this.
16:08 You will not be part of the cabinet.
16:11 Will you not be part of the cabinet for five years
16:13 or has the decision been made that in the coming times…
16:16 Look, this is the decision so far.
16:18 And this will be for five years,
16:20 for sure.
16:21 But today, sitting here in this program,
16:24 I will say that these decisions are for five years.
16:27 If the need of politics arises tomorrow,
16:29 for example,
16:30 you also see that we are supporting the government.
16:33 Supporting the government,
16:35 if they do a good job tomorrow,
16:37 then the government will say that it is our credit,
16:39 we have made decisions.
16:40 And if their decisions are not correct,
16:43 God forbid,
16:44 but if their decisions are not correct
16:46 and as a result, Pakistan does not get that stability,
16:49 then you sitting here,
16:50 sitting me,
16:51 you must be doing a program
16:52 that you keep supporting this government.
16:54 You were going to bring it.
16:56 So I will share the burden.
16:58 I will not be able to share the credit.
17:00 Sir, you are not sharing the burden of being part of the cabinet.
17:02 If you are not part of the cabinet,
17:03 then how will you share the burden?
17:05 No, we are just saying that if a timely IMF deal
17:08 had been done,
17:09 then this would not have happened.
17:11 This is definitely…
17:12 You called it inflation.
17:14 No, one thing,
17:15 because of that, inflation happened.
17:17 I have already requested you that
17:19 this happens, you keep on talking,
17:21 you keep on arguing,
17:23 you sometimes even talk about your opponents.
17:27 I understand Kashif,
17:29 that the major issue in Pakistan right now,
17:33 the important issue,
17:34 is that these nitty gritties are less.
17:36 Right now, the serious issue of Pakistan is
17:38 that what options did we have, what should we have done?
17:41 What would the People's Party have done?
17:43 We decided that we do not have a mandate.
17:46 We were hopeful.
17:48 If we had 70-80 seats,
17:50 we would have been hopeful.
17:51 We did not get seats.
17:53 Muslim League has seats.
17:54 But you did not have seats in PDM-1 as well.
17:56 But you were part of that system,
17:58 you were in the cabinet.
17:59 That was because…
18:00 You were there as a junior partner.
18:02 Yes, that was because,
18:03 at that time, to finish Imran Khan's government,
18:06 everyone had decided together.
18:08 There was a lack of trust in them.
18:10 Here, we went to the elections,
18:12 launched ourselves as a candidate,
18:15 took our manifesto,
18:17 and asked people for votes.
18:19 Okay, people did not vote.
18:21 Okay, we think that according to what we gave,
18:23 we have a mandate.
18:24 Therefore, we…
18:26 Now, the people of Punjab and KP in CEC
18:29 strongly opposed us
18:31 not to stand with the Muslim League.
18:33 Kashif, this…
18:34 Actually, this happened.
18:35 The first thing is,
18:36 you are not a member of CEC,
18:37 I am a member,
18:38 I know what happened there.
18:39 You have heard it.
18:40 Tell me, what happened?
18:41 I will tell you what happened there.
18:43 There are different opinions.
18:44 In every Jamaat.
18:46 And this is the beauty of a party.
18:48 You people say,
18:49 generally, you debate,
18:51 that these parties have meetings,
18:53 you sit with your hands tied,
18:54 and the leader says,
18:55 the decision is made.
18:56 At the end.
18:57 If this is the case,
18:58 no, not at the end,
18:59 if this is the case,
19:00 then look at your argument,
19:01 what are you saying?
19:02 You are saying that
19:03 the decision of the party was different,
19:05 there was pressure in CEC,
19:06 you made this decision.
19:07 I did not say that at all.
19:08 You said this.
19:09 You said,
19:10 you said, we do not have a mandate.
19:11 I said,
19:12 there is no mandate,
19:13 or your CEC made this decision,
19:14 or the cabinet of Punjab…
19:15 I did not say that.
19:16 I said,
19:17 we will be at a loss
19:18 to go to India.
19:19 CEC said,
19:20 if this debate takes place in CEC,
19:21 then this is a healthy thing.
19:22 This is a good thing.
19:23 And the decisions of CEC debate,
19:24 means autonomous decisions are made.
19:25 They can be made.
19:26 I, I,
19:27 another thing,
19:28 you should know.
19:29 Let's assume that
19:30 leadership never agrees.
19:31 You interpret this,
19:32 you interpret this.
19:33 But,
19:34 the problem is,
19:35 Kashif,
19:36 no,
19:37 Kashif,
19:38 leave this,
19:39 leave this,
19:40 comment like this,
19:41 then I will also start going that way.
19:42 This will not be good.
19:43 I am putting it very fairly.
19:44 And I am not talking about your Jamaat.
19:45 PTA is also the same.
19:46 Noon is also the same.
19:47 This decision is given to the party leader,
19:48 to the president,
19:49 to the chairman.
19:50 How many times do we hear that
19:51 CEC has given the power
19:52 to make any decision.
19:53 So,
19:54 it happens.
19:55 Like you said,
19:56 our leadership is a hero cult following.
19:57 No,
19:58 it does not happen.
19:59 If you,
20:00 after doing the whole debate,
20:01 after making your own decisions,
20:02 there are two ways.
20:03 One is that you vote.
20:04 And the other is that you do not vote.
20:05 You leave it to leadership
20:06 that it will be a healthy thing.
20:07 But,
20:08 I am not saying
20:09 that you should not vote.
20:10 You should not vote.
20:11 You should not vote.
20:12 You should leave it to the leadership
20:13 that it will be a healthy thing.
20:14 You should leave it to the leadership
20:15 that it will be a healthy thing.
20:16 You should leave it to the leadership
20:17 that it will be a healthy thing.
20:18 You should leave it to the leadership
20:19 that it will be a healthy thing.
20:20 You should leave it to the leadership
20:21 that it will be a healthy thing.
20:22 You should leave it to the leadership
20:23 that it will be a healthy thing.
20:24 You should leave it to the leadership
20:25 that it will be a healthy thing.
20:26 You should leave it to the leadership
20:27 that it will be a healthy thing.
20:28 You should leave it to the leadership
20:29 that it will be a healthy thing.
20:30 You should leave it to the leadership
20:31 that it will be a healthy thing.
20:32 You should leave it to the leadership
20:33 that it will be a healthy thing.
20:34 You should leave it to the leadership
20:35 that it will be a healthy thing.
20:43 In this situation,
20:44 we will provide all support
20:47 as much as possible.
20:48 We will support them in all legal matters.
20:50 We will discuss where it is not legal.
20:54 Kashif, the question is
20:56 that if this is a threat,
20:57 then what do you say about this retrenchment?
21:02 You said that you are with them.
21:04 Obviously, you will not say
21:05 that I have been with you for 6 months
21:06 and you will run the government.
21:07 Initially, when this system came,
21:10 it was said that we will be with you for 5 years.
21:13 What were the people of Noon
21:15 saying about this arrangement yesterday?
21:17 For you.
21:18 If you do not participate in the responsibilities,
21:20 then it becomes very difficult
21:21 to put all this burden on your shoulders
21:23 for a single community.
21:24 One partner should bear all the burden
21:26 and the other partner should sit on the sidelines
21:28 or in the galleries and watch the match.
21:31 Then everyone has to play the match together.
21:33 Such a government cannot be delivered.
21:35 There is no government without a simple majority.
21:37 No government can solve the problems of Pakistan.
21:40 Let me take a look at Senator's view on this.
21:44 I would like to make a small request.
21:47 Let's talk after the break.
21:48 This is his way and the decision is also of his leadership.
21:53 This is not our decision.
21:55 This is the decision of the Muslim League leadership.
21:57 It is accepted.
21:59 They accepted our decision
22:01 and we have talked to them fairly.
22:03 We had a committee meeting today
22:05 and we had a detailed discussion.
22:07 We are having a meeting tomorrow as well
22:09 on how to move forward.
22:10 How will we move forward?
22:11 What needs to be done?
22:12 We will give our preferences.
22:14 We will talk about it.
22:16 We want the Muslim League to have complete autonomy.
22:19 They should have their own government,
22:21 their own cabinet and make their own decisions.
22:23 So that they do not face the problem
22:25 of People's Party putting a barrier on the way.
22:27 They had major ministries.
22:29 Earlier it was said that these were the ministries.
22:31 So what should we do about this?
22:32 This is a good issue.
22:33 So you are saying that it is a good arrangement.
22:34 Senator, let me take a break.
22:36 You are saying that this is a good arrangement
22:38 and that People's Party should support you from behind.
22:40 Kamina is your own.
22:42 You can deliver.
22:44 They have a manifesto.
22:46 We are saying that you should take it.
22:48 It is not their responsibility to take care of your manifesto.
22:50 We will also say that our manifesto is the manifesto of the people.
22:54 It is the manifesto of Labour,
22:56 it is the manifesto of farmers, it is the manifesto of the people.
22:58 But on some issues, the privatisation will get stuck.
23:00 We will discuss that.
23:02 We will discuss that.
23:04 Let me take a break.
23:06 I will come back after the break.
23:08 Welcome back, Nazeer.
23:14 Senator,
23:16 we were talking to Mr. Kaira.
23:18 Now, running this system,
23:20 and you think that
23:22 your leadership was talking about the rest.
23:24 We just heard Mr. Ahsan Iqbal,
23:26 Mr. Rana Sarnawulla,
23:28 Mr. Irfan Siddiqui.
23:30 All of them said that
23:32 how will it work that we will take all the burden?
23:34 Because we will have to take difficult decisions.
23:36 Do you agree with this?
23:38 Yes, look.
23:40 Yes, yes.
23:42 Ideally,
23:44 a Jamaat should have a simple majority
23:46 and it should run according to its manifesto
23:48 and take responsibility.
23:50 But if that is not possible,
23:52 then coalition is the answer.
23:54 And in that too,
23:56 our wish was that
23:58 the people's party should be fully involved
24:00 because then there will be collective wisdom.
24:02 Because you don't just take care of the ministries
24:04 in which you are.
24:06 Your thought process is shared
24:08 in the cabinet.
24:10 And Pakistan benefits
24:12 and the government benefits.
24:14 So, our leaders are saying
24:16 that there will be problems.
24:18 So, there are problems,
24:20 but this is a prolonged period of five years.
24:22 And there will be continuity.
24:24 Sir, this is the same thing.
24:26 We don't know if it will last five years or not.
24:28 If, for example,
24:30 your differences increase
24:32 and there is a fallout.
24:34 Look, fallout is politics.
24:36 There is no fallout in politics.
24:38 It is possible that there will be a fallout.
24:40 If there is a fallout,
24:42 then after taking difficult decisions,
24:44 where will you go?
24:46 You are not able to stand up before.
24:48 Where will you go?
24:50 Why do we consider the worst scenario
24:52 to be the most likely scenario?
24:54 I think Mr. Asif Zardari
24:56 is a very mature,
24:58 experienced
25:00 and very knowledgeable politician.
25:02 And we all know
25:04 that we have to take the country forward.
25:06 So, we have to get out of our self
25:08 and think about Pakistan.
25:10 So, I can assure you that
25:12 sooner or later,
25:14 I have a hunch that
25:16 people from the People's Party
25:18 will definitely come where they need help.
25:20 They are an experienced and honest
25:22 people who can take the country forward.
25:24 The third thing that we were discussing
25:26 is that the country has experienced
25:28 a fallout during the period of PDM.
25:30 Look, the country is facing
25:32 a fallout due to the weak governance.
25:34 But in a more globalised environment,
25:36 the regional situation,
25:38 where terrorism has increased
25:40 from Afghanistan to India,
25:42 or the global situation.
25:44 Sir, but this is an argument.
25:46 Sir, you are saying that the leader is useless
25:48 and that is why there is a fallout.
25:50 But in the same time,
25:52 the international situation is also falling apart.
25:54 Even if you accept your argument,
25:56 during the period of COVID,
25:58 the People's Party,
26:00 you said that there was an international
26:02 global recession in 2008.
26:04 Now, there was no international recession.
26:06 It was COVID that caused the fallout.
26:08 The supply chains were cut.
26:10 The production was cut.
26:12 The country was shut down.
26:14 Despite that, you are saying that the country is useless.
26:16 You yourself are saying that the international
26:18 situation is falling apart.
26:20 We are not able to do it.
26:22 No, no, we are saying that the deal
26:24 with the IMF was not good.
26:26 And because of that,
26:28 it kept moving forward
26:30 and there was no reason to move forward.
26:32 I am saying that the war in Ukraine
26:34 started. For example,
26:36 the prices of oil went down.
26:38 Even today, our viewers in America
26:40 and Europe, they will know that
26:42 the thing that was worth one dollar
26:44 or one pound is worth five dollars
26:46 because of COVID.
26:48 It affected the international situation.
26:50 It must have done justice.
26:52 But then, the beauty lies
26:54 in how you control it.
26:56 I assure you that we should hope for the better.
26:58 The elections have been held.
27:00 By the grace of Allah, a coalition government will be formed.
27:02 And this government will
27:04 move forward on the international level.
27:06 And the country...
27:08 Let's wait for the government to take action.
27:10 Let's do one more thing.
27:12 You do one thing.
27:14 After COVID,
27:16 during COVID,
27:18 foreign remittances were seen in Pakistan.
27:20 The record of foreign remittances
27:22 was broken.
27:24 Why? It was 28 billion.
27:26 It went to 29 billion. Why?
27:28 Have you ever thought about it?
27:30 Mr. Tariqin says that we started this initiative.
27:32 Green Pakistan. Whatever.
27:34 It has nothing to do with it.
27:36 I have taken out the GDP.
27:38 In April 2022, there was 5.9 GDP growth.
27:40 It went down to minus.
27:42 It went down to 0.29 in August.
27:44 I am saying that
27:46 the request is that
27:48 when the world
27:50 was destroyed by COVID,
27:52 the developing countries
27:54 and
27:56 many Gulf countries
27:58 were also affected
28:00 by the payments
28:02 and the jobs
28:04 that were being sent back.
28:06 When the societies were closed,
28:08 they came back with money.
28:10 The governments of the United States
28:12 provided a lot of support.
28:14 They sent the money to their families.
28:16 They gave people a staff loan.
28:18 It was a huge amount.
28:20 How much was the export?
28:22 31 billion dollars.
28:24 Of Pakistan?
28:26 I am talking about exports,
28:28 not agriculture.
28:30 Agriculture was also a record.
28:32 This is why the GDP increased.
28:34 Export, growth.
28:36 All I am saying is that
28:38 we need to increase the export.
28:40 We need to increase the remittances.
28:42 We need to give confidence to the people.
28:44 We need to reduce the focus on remittances.
28:46 We need to increase the remittances.
28:48 The generations that have passed
28:50 are settling there.
28:52 The pressure is increasing on remittances.
28:54 We need to increase the exports of Pakistan.
28:56 Whether it is agro exports
28:58 or industrial exports.
29:00 If the production increases,
29:02 we will not only get remittances,
29:04 but we will also get jobs.
29:06 I want to ask you both.
29:08 This is an economic issue.
29:10 We see the figures and decide.
29:12 Today, Mr. Maulana gave a very
29:14 strict press conference.
29:16 He announced a movement.
29:18 He did not say the details.
29:20 He said, wait for a while.
29:22 He called a meeting of the general council.
29:24 The decisions will be in the field.
29:26 We may leave the assemblies.
29:28 Do you think that
29:30 this is not going to end?
29:32 Kashif,
29:34 I have been saying this
29:36 since the election.
29:38 May the upcoming election
29:40 be a reason for us to stay.
29:42 May this election not become
29:44 a reason for another crisis.
29:46 There is a crisis today
29:48 and there is a crisis in the future.
29:50 Today, the People's Party's decision
29:52 that we do not participate in the government
29:54 but we support the government.
29:56 This was the problem of Muslim League.
29:58 Many friends said that
30:00 it is not easy to make decisions.
30:02 The coalition government has many problems.
30:04 We said that we will work with freedom.
30:06 You have not left the issue to issue.
30:08 You will support the issue to issue.
30:10 It is not about issue to issue.
30:12 The decisions that you are making
30:14 in financial and budgetary matters,
30:16 you are supporting others.
30:18 Remember one more thing, Kashif.
30:20 Coalition governments
30:22 are said to be weak.
30:24 They face a lot of losses.
30:26 They are good.
30:28 In 2008, we had a government.
30:30 We worked so many records.
30:32 There was an Indian Union Amendment.
30:34 There was an NFC.
30:36 Pakistan's record exports were there.
30:38 We supported Pakistan's farmers.
30:40 We started programs like the
30:42 "Mayor of the Union" program.
30:44 We started a program to remove
30:46 Pakistan from the world's solitude.
30:48 We were a weak government.
30:50 What was the benefit of that?
30:52 Musharraf was the darling of the West.
30:54 You know that.
30:56 He was a time.
30:58 And there, darlings are
31:00 needed. They are not permanent.
31:02 They change.
31:04 But the question is...
31:06 I don't know if you are there or not.
31:08 We don't know.
31:10 We are only the people of Pakistan.
31:12 The question is,
31:14 to remove Pakistan from this solitude,
31:16 everyone needs to join hands.
31:18 Many people are making a fuss.
31:20 Mr. Malhana has sent me.
31:22 Do you think you will convince him?
31:24 I am listening to him.
31:26 Will you convince him?
31:28 Will you convince him that these
31:30 circumstances are such?
31:32 Look, Mr. Zardari, everyone will
31:34 go and convince Mr. Malhana.
31:36 Mr. Malhana, remember one thing.
31:38 Mr. Malhana cannot go against the
31:40 interests of the country.
31:42 Anger is necessary.
31:44 It is a crime.
31:46 But it is not possible that the
31:48 country is suffering and he says
31:50 it should be done.
31:52 It can happen to some other people.
31:54 I hope it happens.
31:56 Kashif, apart from this,
31:58 is there any other leader who wants
32:00 to harm Pakistan?
32:02 Yes, but they are looking at it differently.
32:04 Maybe.
32:06 Let's go.
32:08 I will come back to this.
32:10 Mr. Zardari, you saw Mr. Malhana.
32:12 Do you see a compromise in the
32:14 coming days or a non-compromise?
32:16 Because...
32:18 One party has come out.
32:20 Where do you think this matter will go?
32:22 Inshallah, it will be useful.
32:24 We should expect goodness.
32:26 You can keep the past history of
32:28 Maulana Fazlur Rehman in front of you.
32:30 He also did long marches.
32:32 There were also many gatherings.
32:34 But he never became violent.
32:36 Never his protest.
32:38 And then he is a very smart and
32:40 experienced leader.
32:42 If he has any grievances,
32:44 then he should listen to them.
32:46 And I am sure that people on the
32:48 other side are receptive.
32:50 Shahbaz Sharif, Nawaz Sharif,
32:52 or Asad Zardari.
32:54 They have special relations with them.
32:56 They will sit and listen.
32:58 And they will solve these problems.
33:00 The bigger problem is that the
33:02 leadership of justice should also
33:04 learn the lesson and come forward.
33:06 Do not make any deal on principles.
33:08 Do good opposition.
33:10 Sit in the parliament and do
33:12 your best kind of criticism of the
33:14 government and give good suggestions.
33:16 And then you will see that the
33:18 government will come forward.
33:20 The first attitude of the protest,
33:22 long marches, and shouting from
33:24 outside, and yesterday also a
33:26 leader was saying that it was
33:28 possible in the 9th.
33:30 Such things will not bring the
33:32 country forward.
33:34 You remember, you also brought
33:36 a protest.
33:38 You were the leadership of all
33:40 parties on the stage of the protest.
33:42 The protest that came to Islamabad.
33:44 Long marches were done.
33:46 The government was given a difficult
33:48 time.
33:50 It was not only in 2013-2018,
33:52 it was also done at that time.
33:54 We came and held a meeting and
33:56 went to the dispersement.
33:58 They came and sat.
34:00 You endorsed him,
34:02 we endorsed him, but we did it
34:04 at the level of the meeting,
34:06 we blocked the roads.
34:08 We were not sitting.
34:10 Ultimately, we did not go to the
34:12 government.
34:14 We blocked the government.
34:16 There are also halal protests and
34:18 haram protests.
34:20 There is no such thing as a
34:22 halal protest or haram protest.
34:24 People come to the world while
34:26 protesting.
34:28 The protest of Imran Khan and
34:30 our protest should not be
34:32 affected.
34:34 You have closed the roads of the
34:36 people for three months.
34:38 Make us also with him.
34:40 We came one day, held a meeting
34:42 and we were not allowed to go
34:44 to the government.
34:46 I am telling you that it is
34:48 wrong to protest.
34:50 I am saying that it is right.
34:52 Then what are you asking?
34:54 The purpose of the protest was
34:56 to go out of the house of the
34:58 husband.
35:00 What are you doing after that?
35:02 General sir.
35:04 I was saying that protesting is
35:06 your right.
35:08 It is a constitutional right.
35:10 But if you say that we are
35:12 protesting, the chief minister
35:14 is coming from one province,
35:16 from the other side, from Kashmir,
35:18 the throne will be overturned,
35:20 civil war will start, we will
35:22 pull out the prime minister.
35:24 This is not right.
35:26 Finally, on 9th May,
35:28 you saw what happened.
35:30 At that time, the chief minister
35:32 was dancing in the container.
35:34 You must remember the visual
35:36 of Mr. Parvez Khattak.
35:38 But then everyone gives these statements.
35:40 As you said, it is a political statement.
35:42 We will go inside, we will do this,
35:44 listen to us first.
35:46 Mr. Moulana also did a press conference today.
35:48 I think that everyone thinks that
35:50 politics is what we do and
35:52 criticizing the politics of others.
35:54 Everyone is doing politics.
35:56 Someone's method is a little more.
35:58 We are not political parties.
36:00 We have to do politics.
36:02 Not like you are saying.
36:04 We have to do politics.
36:06 You have to do politics.
36:08 It is our job.
36:10 We are political parties.
36:12 We have to run the country with politics.
36:14 Kashif, there is only one need to make a decision.
36:16 But on this point,
36:18 throwing the prime minister out,
36:20 throwing him out,
36:22 everyone should refrain from this.
36:24 Kashif, one thing is very important.
36:26 Let me say this.
36:28 The thing is that you make a decision.
36:30 Disruptive politics.
36:32 You decide how to run this country.
36:34 If we take our history from the
36:36 time of the martyrs of Pakistan,
36:38 we can take it from there.
36:40 You have done a lot of experiments.
36:42 On what basis were those experiments done?
36:44 All those experiments were done on the
36:46 basis that the political governments
36:48 are not working properly,
36:50 we have to fix it.
36:52 So what was fixed?
36:54 One political government was removed
36:56 and a new government was brought in.
36:58 That this political government was not
37:00 working properly, it will fix it.
37:02 What happened?
37:04 One thing is that even today,
37:06 we should make a decision.
37:08 If the people of Pakistan are aware,
37:10 and social media is so much
37:12 aware of people,
37:14 you cannot control them.
37:16 Now you should think.
37:18 Until people do not have trust
37:20 in their system, their vote,
37:22 whatever is happening,
37:24 social media is telling,
37:26 formal media is telling,
37:28 keeping all these practices in front,
37:30 if people do not have trust,
37:32 then what will the government
37:34 deliver, what will the system deliver?
37:36 What is the trust of the institutions today?
37:38 If you are talking against
37:40 your establishment,
37:42 against the court,
37:44 you are maligning the political
37:46 parties, you are maligning the media,
37:48 then which institution are you
37:50 maligning, your religious scholars?
37:52 So everyone needs to think about their
37:54 own behavior, and until we think about
37:56 our behavior and do not make our
37:58 behavior in front of the people,
38:00 then how will we move forward?
38:02 How will we move forward?
38:04 What is this way of correction,
38:06 General sir?
38:08 Is it the time to sit down?
38:10 Truth and reconciliation commission,
38:12 we have started it yesterday.
38:14 No one will speak the truth.
38:16 No, you will have to find a way,
38:18 you will have to make a forum.
38:20 Reconciliation commission,
38:22 in that, you can agree on things,
38:24 that politics will be its own way,
38:26 and this is what Sardari sir said yesterday,
38:28 this is what he said in CEC,
38:30 this is what he said in his
38:32 press conference yesterday,
38:34 which was held by the entire Jamaat.
38:36 But for this, everyone has to be on board.
38:38 He said this, he said it there too.
38:40 Now one sir says that if it was not on board,
38:42 then you do it, please.
38:44 General sir.
38:46 I am saying that political maturity
38:48 and mutual tolerance
38:50 and a little bit of wisdom
38:52 that you have to save the country
38:54 and take it forward.
38:56 There will be some change in the attitude.
38:58 So I can assure you that by the grace of Allah,
39:00 Pakistan is a strong nation,
39:02 it has resources,
39:04 you can definitely take it forward
39:06 on your own terms.
39:08 But we should not
39:10 pull each other's legs,
39:12 throw mud on the institutions,
39:14 make justice suspicious,
39:16 make parliament helpless,
39:18 destroy its dignity.
39:20 So we should not destroy the institutions.
39:22 I will finish my sentence.
39:24 Imran Khan sir,
39:26 I request you all,
39:28 the entire nation,
39:30 there was a time when they were fighting
39:32 and we tried to open the way for jokes,
39:34 Bilawal sir tried to open the way,
39:36 the Supreme Court came in between,
39:38 we also requested the Supreme Court
39:40 and the way was made.
39:42 Even then, Imran Khan sir withdrew
39:44 his team at the last moment.
39:46 You are saying that they also have to go for jokes.
39:48 They will have to leave for Bahrain.
39:50 Let's take a break. We'll be back after the break.