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00:00 Assalamu Alaikum, you are watching Kashif Abbasi with the national assembly meeting.

00:06 You have seen the events and the issues.

00:10 How in today's meeting, the same scenes were seen in the last 5 years of the assembly.

00:19 At that time there was a government and the opposition was protesting like this.

00:25 The Prime Minister was not allowed to give a speech at that time.

00:27 Even today, Imran Khan's poster was raised.

00:30 People of Tariq-e-Insaf are present in the assembly.

00:32 In the speeches, the same allegations were made and the mandate was stolen.

00:38 How they will be treated in the elections.

00:40 This was said by Barrister Gaur, who is the chairman.

00:45 Now we also understand who is the chairman and who is not.

00:49 Sometimes the election commission makes someone the chairman and sometimes it finishes someone.

00:53 But what will we see in these situations and incidents?

00:56 There is a lot of noise and commotion in this assembly.

00:59 During the assembly speech, Khwaja Asif Sahib used his watch.

01:03 There were slogans of thieves.

01:05 On one side, there were slogans of vote thieves and on the other side, there were slogans of watch thieves.

01:08 Will this assembly take out its time in these slogans or will it try to do so?

01:14 Shahid Khakha Nawaz is present.

01:16 Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar is present.

01:18 Thank you very much for both the guests.

01:19 Shahid Sahib, let's start with you.

01:21 Till when do you intend to make it a party?

01:23 The assembly has just started.

01:26 The party, God willing, is in people's minds.

01:30 I have said before that it is needed.

01:33 But when will you make it?

01:34 We are still thinking.

01:35 It will be made.

01:36 When?

01:37 It took four weeks to make the government.

01:40 It should take four months to make a party.

01:42 It has been four months since you made a party.

01:44 No, no.

01:45 You went to London.

01:46 I think it has been how many months since you went to London to meet Mian Sahib.

01:48 We had said that we will not talk about this before the elections.

01:51 Now the elections have taken place.

01:52 Now we will consult with people.

01:54 So, the possibility is still there.

01:57 Yes, yes, absolutely.

01:58 Is it possible or will it be made?

02:00 It will be made, God willing.

02:01 There is a need.

02:02 There is a need to fulfill that need.

02:04 If you had a party today, what would you do first?

02:07 What would be the first thing you would do?

02:09 In what?

02:10 If you had a party today.

02:11 If there was a political party.

02:12 Let's say there was not even one in the assembly.

02:14 In these incidents, what is your first order of the day as a political party?

02:18 What should be done first?

02:21 First of all, we should try to end this division.

02:26 This is a big issue.

02:28 Whatever happened in the elections, this issue has become a big issue.

02:31 Now there is a division in the society.

02:33 There is a disappointment.

02:34 Now believe me, if you leave this place, no one in this assembly is ready to accept it.

02:40 They are not ready to accept this government.

02:42 They are not ready to accept this election.

02:44 You don't see anger in the people when you go out.

02:49 Whenever we used to sit before the elections, we used to tell people to use their right to vote.

02:55 This is your right.

02:56 The government is made by your vote.

02:58 You will do it.

02:59 Now they are saying, sir, what has happened?

03:01 No, the matter has gone beyond anger.

03:04 It has gone beyond anger.

03:05 It has gone beyond disappointment.

03:06 People say, sir, it is just like that.

03:08 There is a drama.

03:09 This is a fair, this is not a circus.

03:12 This is not an election.

03:13 But Mr. Miyasa was very happy yesterday.

03:16 Yesterday he said, I don't understand at all.

03:19 Yesterday I tried to understand.

03:21 I want to tell you too.

03:23 You translate for me.

03:24 We used to give tests in Urdu.

03:26 It used to be in the test of Islam.

03:28 Translate the verse.

03:29 It is not a verse, it is a statement of Mr. Miyasa.

03:31 Translate the verse and tell me.

03:33 I read it yesterday.

03:34 Yes, read it.

03:35 Read all of it.

03:36 We can talk in our own language if you give us a chance.

03:39 I don't think it's good for more people to understand.

03:41 But come on, tell me.

03:43 Tell me what Mr. Miyasa said yesterday.

03:45 You fought a very tough battle and reached here.

03:48 You crossed the sea of fire and reached here.

03:51 This had never happened before.

03:53 Today you fought a very tough battle and reached here.

03:56 I was worried yesterday too.

03:58 What fight are you talking about?

04:00 First I thought that maybe this is Mr. Tariq Khan's parliamentary party.

04:02 And Mr. Miyasa is considering himself Imran Khan.

04:04 He said, you fought a big battle and reached here.

04:07 What kind of fight are these people from Noorli?

04:10 My sister also asked this question yesterday.

04:14 I think she also didn't understand.

04:16 No, no, on your program,

04:18 Respected Mair Sahiba,

04:21 I said that this election was very difficult for Muslim League.

04:25 Because there was no narrative and no performance.

04:28 So it was a very difficult and impossible election that the boys came.

04:32 That's one way of looking at it.

04:34 I said this yesterday,

04:36 Maybe Mr. Miyasa didn't remember.

04:38 Maybe he was told that

04:40 what is happening with Mr. Tariq Khan,

04:42 he thought that maybe it is happening with Muslim League.

04:44 That they took the symbol,

04:46 didn't let them campaign, didn't let them put the panaflex.

04:48 Then I also thought that

04:50 maybe Mr. Miyasa is saying that

04:52 you must have fought with your conscience and reached here.

04:54 That someone else won in Form 45,

04:56 you were made to win in Form 47.

04:58 There is a lot of fight,

05:00 there is an internal fight for many people.

05:02 I heard that maybe Mr. Nisar Cheema said,

05:04 I was also offered to win this election,

05:06 but I didn't give up.

05:08 And that I will give respect to the vote like this.

05:10 What are you thinking?

05:12 Which fight are you talking about?

05:14 Did I ever get an offer?

05:16 First question,

05:18 if you were offered, what would you do?

05:20 God forbid.

05:22 A person who is not satisfied with something,

05:24 and he knows that

05:26 this mandate is being given to him through a paper,

05:28 it is limited to the extent of a paper,

05:30 it has nothing to do with people.

05:32 So he should not accept it

05:34 in any way.

05:36 And neither does the voter.

05:38 Was it an offer?

05:40 No, there was no such offer.

05:42 Why did you get an offer?

05:44 I saw your billboard,

05:46 the slogans you wrote on it,

05:48 who offered you after that?

05:50 I thought it was a big deal.

05:52 After that, no one tried

05:54 that I should not come in.

05:56 Look, Mr. Kajub,

05:58 our country has been traveling in circles

06:00 for 76 years.

06:02 We are not able to get out of those circles.

06:04 And today one is acceptable,

06:06 the clip you showed of Mr. Mian,

06:08 this clip also brings out the same reality.

06:10 Today they are saying that

06:12 we fought a four-sided battle,

06:14 crossed the river of fire and reached here.

06:16 In the entire election campaign,

06:18 and before that,

06:20 the impression that was given,

06:22 the impression that is still there,

06:24 that impression has become a dirty thing.

06:26 So when you will enter the field with this impression,

06:28 and especially that community,

06:30 who a few years ago

06:32 talked about giving respect to the vote,

06:34 and made that statement popular,

06:36 and people responded to that statement.

06:38 And today you have come to the point

06:40 where you started your politics,

06:42 all those revolutionary stages

06:44 from which you passed

06:46 and reached here,

06:48 in which you established the Republic of MISA,

06:50 you put everything behind you,

06:52 all those things.

06:54 Give respect to the vote.

06:56 Where do the creatures of the universe come from?

06:58 So today, just for power,

07:00 for power,

07:02 you not only knew,

07:04 but also knew that

07:06 your comrades, your colleagues,

07:08 were only standing on the pages of the paper

07:10 under which they became MNAs,

07:12 not under the mandate of the public,

07:14 you were standing with them and taking their votes.

07:16 And today you are trying to justify that.

07:18 - In which the seat of the MIA is also suspected.

07:20 - And the form 47,

07:22 which was discussed in the media,

07:24 their own seat,

07:26 which was criticized a lot,

07:28 many people did it,

07:30 and did it justifiably,

07:32 that what a funny thing came out of it

07:34 that the votes of some candidates

07:36 came out to be zero.

07:38 - And I think the total votes

07:40 that were polled,

07:42 came out to be more than the total votes.

07:44 - So the request is...

07:46 - Something to that effect.

07:48 - The election that took place on 8th February,

07:50 I see it from this perspective,

07:52 that it was an unprecedented election

07:54 in the history of Pakistan.

07:56 Unprecedented in this regard,

07:58 our traditional wisdom...

08:00 - It was an election of 1985,

08:02 for one Jamaat.

08:04 - No, I want to say in another context,

08:06 that our traditional wisdom,

08:08 the political pandits of this country,

08:10 we all thought that

08:12 a Jamaat whose opposition

08:14 is the establishment,

08:16 who does not have its electoral sign,

08:18 whose leader is in jail,

08:20 - 50 years of punishments have been given,

08:22 but the campaign is not being done.

08:24 - No permission to run the campaign,

08:26 no flag, no banner,

08:28 no permission to set up polling camps,

08:30 so that was a lot.

08:32 So 20 seats, 25 seats, or 15 seats,

08:34 this is what our traditional wisdom

08:36 used to say.

08:38 So what happened after that,

08:40 was unprecedented.

08:42 That people, the public,

08:44 had to cross many rivers of fire

08:46 to reach the polling station,

08:48 there they had to go and get a stamp

08:50 from another camp, and go and cast their vote.

08:52 - That means people ate biryanis too.

08:54 - So this unprecedented thing

08:56 that happened,

08:58 I think that the credit that goes to

09:00 the people of Pakistan,

09:02 you cannot take that credit away from them.

09:04 - Absolutely.

09:06 - Going out and casting their vote,

09:08 there was a rebellion

09:10 involved in this.

09:12 And they did that in the

09:14 76 years that the system

09:16 is in this country.

09:18 And I think it is important to say

09:20 that the way the Muslim League

09:22 has been able to move away from the

09:24 Muslim League, and has no say in it,

09:26 the way the Justice Movement

09:28 has been able to move away from

09:30 the Muslim League,

09:32 there is nothing left for them.

09:34 So the principle contradiction

09:36 that the people of Pakistan want

09:38 to resolve is, who is going to run this country?

09:40 Look at the other countries in the region,

09:42 look at India, where it has reached,

09:44 you have started a journey together.

09:46 And today this country is 25 crore people,

09:48 it has become a governance complex,

09:50 and you are saying for the sake of this country,

09:52 for the sake of good intentions,

09:54 that we will have to leave all this old

09:56 nonsense, we will have to end

09:58 this journey of circles,

10:00 we will have to make the people the owners of their fate.

10:02 We will have to bow our heads

10:04 in front of their decisions.

10:06 And this is not an ordinary thing,

10:08 we use it often,

10:10 that the voice of the people is the voice of God.

10:12 So learn to bow your head

10:14 gracefully in front of it.

10:16 And give people a chance to govern.

10:18 Like you said, who is going to run the government?

10:20 It is the government's job.

10:22 Who is going to elect the government?

10:24 It is the people's job.

10:26 Our problem here is that,

10:28 the big problems that are increasing,

10:30 that we are eliminating the trust of the people

10:32 in this process.

10:34 But if you start from 1988,

10:36 then 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 elections.

10:38 Yes.

10:40 So, if you start from 1988,

10:42 then 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 elections.

10:44 Yes.

10:46 So, if you start from 1988,

10:48 then 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 elections.

10:50 If you were offered,

10:52 you have been in the assembly 8-9 times,

10:54 you have been the minister,

10:56 or even if you are not the minister,

10:58 you have been a very important minister many times.

11:00 And if you are offered,

11:02 that we will win the seat.

11:04 What would be your first reaction?

11:06 What would you do?

11:08 It is difficult.

11:10 I have been offered twice in the past.

11:12 In 2002 and 2018.

11:14 It is difficult for me to bear the burden.

11:16 Isn't it difficult for those people

11:18 who are sitting in the assembly seats today?

11:20 No, it is their decision.

11:22 It is a difficult task.

11:24 Believe me, you cannot sit in those seats.

11:26 I don't know how people will sit.

11:28 I thought it would be very difficult.

11:30 It was very difficult.

11:32 It was very difficult to bear the burden

11:34 that you know that you have lost.

11:36 And yet you go.

11:38 I mean, I understand a lot of people

11:40 will say that this was the same

11:42 situation in the past.

11:44 But the way it was in the last assembly,

11:46 this time it is very different.

11:48 The last election, the last election,

11:50 to a large extent,

11:52 the pre-election was managed.

11:54 No, no, whatever happened,

11:56 it happened in the elections too.

11:58 I said to a large extent,

12:00 there was pre-election,

12:02 then the election day was also managed.

12:04 But at this time,

12:06 what we are talking about now,

12:08 why are we talking about this now?

12:10 I said that the election was managed.

12:12 I said that the election was managed.

12:14 I said that in 2002 too.

12:16 Absolutely.

12:18 But then it means that

12:20 the one who has the right to manage

12:22 does not have a problem.

12:24 I said that form 47 always wins.

12:26 I was talking to my colleague,

12:28 he said that

12:30 even after Fatima Jinnah,

12:32 there was form 45.

12:34 What did 47 do?

12:36 It was with Ayub Khan.

12:38 Form 47 always wins.

12:40 The people who wanted to,

12:42 will win form 47.

12:44 This is a big debate.

12:46 But this story should end now.

12:48 It should end.

12:50 Listen to me,

12:52 I am trying to give it a little twist.

12:54 If you can allow me.

12:56 On one hand you say that

12:58 it is an establishment.

13:00 Tell me, there are also politicians

13:02 who should make decisions

13:04 and say that this is not my seat,

13:06 where are those politicians?

13:08 How many?

13:10 They are in the elections.

13:12 They are also in the elections.

13:16 You will find them in the elections.

13:18 Imran Khan is also like this.

13:20 Exactly. Do you understand what I am saying?

13:22 How many people are there who

13:24 refuse to do it?

13:26 When you talk about principles,

13:28 who should I expect from?

13:30 I will expect the principles from you.

13:32 The people who talk about the constitution,

13:34 who talk about the principles,

13:36 I should expect from you

13:38 that you will stand on the principles.

13:40 Not just for your rights,

13:42 but for my rights and for the rights of others.

13:44 But how easily we say in this country,

13:46 and in Pakistan, no election was held

13:48 except for the 70th.

13:50 How easily we say this.

13:52 Because we have accepted this reality.

13:54 And we did not accept the result of 70.

13:56 That election also failed.

14:02 Now, what should we do?

14:04 What should we do?

14:06 I have been saying this for a long time.

14:08 What should we do?

14:10 I say that you should

14:12 hold three elections in this country.

14:14 The country will move forward.

14:16 There will be pain.

14:18 The people will make a mistake once.

14:20 They will make it better the second time.

14:22 The third time it will be better.

14:24 It will be fine.

14:26 The people have always delivered.

14:28 You can see this in the elections.

14:30 People have voted.

14:32 And they have voted without any fear.

14:34 But, obviously,

14:36 they say, where is this?

14:38 This was a very unique election.

14:40 What Mr. Mushtaq said is a reality.

14:42 It was a unique election.

14:44 They were fighting in two rings.

14:46 It is unique because

14:48 people like them are not alone.

14:50 I have seen in many rings that

14:52 candidates for the second and third

14:54 are saying that this is my form 45.

14:56 It will be wrong.

14:58 But, tell me about the politicians.

15:00 There is a political angle to this.

15:02 I will come to that too.

15:04 Why didn't the new politician

15:06 stand up in 2018 and say that

15:08 he doesn't need your help?

15:10 Why didn't he stand up in 2024 and say

15:12 that he cannot win like this.

15:14 I cannot bear this burden.

15:16 Look, Kashif bhai, frankly,

15:18 the political circles I was

15:20 talking about,

15:22 all political parties have

15:24 accepted that the path to power

15:26 is through Rawalpindi and Islamabad.

15:28 Where big political parties

15:30 and big leaders have

15:32 accepted this,

15:34 then what is the status

15:36 of the people who follow them?

15:38 So, we don't have anything

15:40 called morality, even personally.

15:42 Look, there are very few.

15:44 People remain silent in political

15:46 parties under their compulsion,

15:48 keep talking, but their words

15:50 are not heard, they are not followed.

15:52 We have so many friends in different

15:54 political parties who are ashamed

15:56 of the style of their leaders.

15:58 But they have become a part

16:00 of that system in such a way

16:02 that they cannot get out of it.

16:04 But there are many things.

16:06 I want to say something.

16:08 Being ashamed of the style of the leaders

16:10 and their own style of action.

16:12 Look, this decision is to be made

16:14 by any political party leader.

16:16 I know I have lost.

16:18 And I will go and do a press conference

16:20 because I have won.

16:22 But in this election,

16:24 some people have come forward.

16:26 Khwaja Saad Rafiq is being named.

16:28 Khurram Dastagir Laq is being named.

16:30 Today, someone told me about another

16:32 person, I could not confirm him.

16:34 But people came forward

16:36 and they also gracefully

16:38 accepted their defeat.

16:40 Hoti sahib from Mardan,

16:42 Haider Hoti sahib, he did this.

16:44 Samar Bilore sahiba,

16:46 she did this in Peshawar.

16:48 She went to her opponent's house

16:50 with a bouquet.

16:52 So you will see these examples

16:54 with time and process.

16:56 But as Shahid bhai was saying,

16:58 in Pakistan's history,

17:00 in the 76 years of history,

17:02 no Prime Minister could complete his term.

17:04 We remember the third year of

17:06 Imran Khan's era,

17:08 as Prime Minister,

17:10 he was in power.

17:12 Local government elections came

17:14 under Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

17:16 People were not satisfied with

17:18 the elections.

17:20 Being Prime Minister,

17:22 being in power,

17:24 the local government lost the elections.

17:26 If they were allowed to complete

17:28 5 years, then after those 5 years,

17:30 when they had to come out in public,

17:32 they would have to face the question

17:34 of 1 crore jobs, 50 lakh houses.

17:36 It was about issues.

17:38 When you remove a person before time,

17:40 then he goes to people with

17:42 sympathies and victimhood statements

17:44 and people vote for him.

17:46 But the people are not satisfied.

17:48 Yesterday, electricity was made

17:50 7 rupees per unit expensive.

17:52 People are getting gas bills.

17:54 In villages, there is a common house,

17:56 a common well,

17:58 which does not have much consumption.

18:00 No one has received a bill less than 40,000.

18:02 People are screaming at the moment

18:04 because of the inflation.

18:06 But there is no discussion

18:08 about these issues.

18:10 Today, in the National Assembly,

18:12 when someone was talking to each other,

18:14 people's issues were left behind.

18:16 The society has become so polarized.

18:18 The distribution of resources

18:20 has increased so much

18:22 that people's issues are not being discussed.

18:24 We have to keep this fact in mind

18:26 that this is a country of 25 crore people.

18:28 All political elites,

18:30 including all of us,

18:32 including the media,

18:34 including the bureaucracy,

18:36 including the judiciary,

18:38 including the establishment,

18:40 have all together failed

18:42 the people of this country.

18:44 If people are not able to live

18:46 a respectable life in this country,

18:48 then it is because of our mistakes.

18:50 They have not made any mistakes.

18:52 They made the right decision in this election.

18:54 They made the right decision

18:56 in the previous election.

18:58 People always made the right decision

19:00 based on the options they had.

19:02 But we failed.

19:04 And our failure,

19:06 if we do not fix our issues,

19:08 then today you are only

19:10 a few days away from the elections.

19:12 You have seen the Modi's case.

19:14 You need a program of 6-7 billion dollars.

19:16 We know and we are thinking

19:18 about the cost of that program.

19:20 You will have to increase

19:22 the taxation.

19:24 Your energy prices will be more expensive.

19:26 You will have to close

19:28 state-owned enterprises.

19:30 There will be layoffs.

19:32 Nobody does this in my opinion.

19:34 You tell me, how much tax do Karachi and Lahore generate?

19:36 Exactly.

19:38 We will have to pay tax.

19:40 Where is the discussion of reforms?

19:42 First tell me,

19:44 where will the discussion of reforms

19:46 be when everyone is thinking

19:48 about it.

19:50 I am talking to a journalist

19:52 and he said that we have been thinking

19:54 about the Punjab government for a year.

19:56 Whatever has to be delivered,

19:58 whatever time has been added,

20:00 we have been thinking about it for a year.

20:02 How will the country work in this way?

20:04 The country does not work in a year.

20:06 The country has been standing for a year.

20:08 This is a matter of decades.

20:10 If the loyalty of the people does not work,

20:12 how will it work in the morning?

20:14 If the cost of living is not reduced,

20:16 how will the condition of the country

20:18 improve?

20:20 If you do not generate much revenue,

20:22 you will take more loans,

20:24 all your money will be spent on interest.

20:26 How will the country work?

20:28 Where will you grow from?

20:30 Where will you create jobs?

20:32 What will you do?

20:34 I am telling you the truth.

20:36 The country can never work in this way.

20:38 Is there a way to end this division?

20:40 Or is there a way to increase it?

20:42 This is a failure of leadership.

20:44 You said that how can we sit today?

20:46 Why did you accept the election?

20:48 This is a failure of leadership.

20:50 Political leadership is the most important.

20:52 If political leadership was in the principles,

20:54 we would not have reached here.

20:56 Now, difficult situations are for you.

20:58 Even today, try to end this division.

21:00 So, it is a bankruptcy?

21:02 Let's be honest.

21:04 It is a bankruptcy.

21:06 Which institution do you see

21:08 and say that it is working?

21:10 There is no bankruptcy in the public.

21:12 I am telling you again that

21:14 this is our dishonesty.

21:16 If there was a bankruptcy in the public,

21:18 they would have decided

21:20 the way they decided.

21:22 It was a challenge.

21:24 It was decided against the system.

21:26 It was decided against the system.

21:28 If they have rebelled,

21:30 they have done it through their vote.

21:32 This is also a good thing.

21:34 But when we see the election commission

21:36 of Pakistan,

21:38 they are still discussing

21:40 whether to give reserve seats or not.

21:42 Kashif bhai,

21:44 you said in the beginning of the program

21:46 that people are angry.

21:48 Shahid bhai said about disappointment.

21:50 We should not take these things for granted.

21:52 Today, we have a good thing

21:54 that we have a good thing.

21:56 Today, we have a good thing

21:58 that people have decided through their vote.

22:00 If we do not accept it,

22:02 people will have the fear

22:04 of going to another extreme.

22:06 And as a result,

22:08 the society in which

22:10 unprecedented events started,

22:12 the unprecedented event happened on 8th February,

22:14 in response to that,

22:16 an unprecedented event came.

22:18 Form 47.

22:20 Before this,

22:22 there was a pretense in the elections.

22:24 People were saying,

22:26 we will manage it.

22:28 We knew where the election was going.

22:30 We pushed a little.

22:32 Here, it was brazenly.

22:34 Then, the next day or three days later,

22:36 you had to issue form 47.

22:38 The law says that the election commission

22:40 will issue all forms 45, 46, 47

22:42 within 14 days.

22:44 It will put all these forms on its website.

22:46 It is not able to do it till date.

22:48 Because it is not there.

22:50 They are distributing it.

22:52 We have entered into

22:54 the territory of unprecedented events.

22:56 And this pretense

22:58 that is being made by the government,

23:00 this fraud will not work.

23:02 And now...

23:04 How much will it work?

23:06 Let's talk about it after the break.

23:08 I am being told to take a break.

23:10 Let's take a break, Nazeem.

23:12 We will come back after the break.

23:14 Welcome back, Nazeem.

23:16 How much will it work, Shahid sir?

23:18 Whatever,

23:20 the government is running it.

23:22 How long do you think it will last?

23:24 The parliament and all,

23:26 it can run for five years.

23:28 The country will not work.

23:30 I am telling you.

23:32 When you say the country will not work,

23:34 what do you mean?

23:36 The country cannot improve.

23:38 The condition of the country will remain the same?

23:40 Yes, it will.

23:42 We will spend time and it will work.

23:44 I am saying that there is no time.

23:46 This problem has arisen.

23:48 The political parties should have

23:50 the troubleshooters and resolution problems.

23:52 They are the ones who find the solutions.

23:54 The institutions have only one solution.

23:56 That is their solution.

23:58 They say, this is our solution.

24:00 Take it or leave it.

24:02 The politicians find the solutions.

24:04 In this system,

24:06 the ones who solve the problem,

24:08 the ones who talk about discrimination,

24:10 the strictness,

24:12 the polarization, the problems,

24:14 who do you see?

24:16 Nawaz Sharif.

24:18 Let me flip the question.

24:20 If you were Nawaz Sharif, what would you do?

24:22 The PM has already decided.

24:26 He has already said everything.

24:28 The problem is that

24:30 the government that you are building

24:32 is not in accordance with the public opinion.

24:34 This is the problem.

24:36 What will you do now?

24:38 How will it work?

24:40 What would you do if you were Nawaz Sharif?

24:42 What would I do?

24:44 If you had accepted the results of the elections,

24:46 then your opinion would have been different.

24:48 Once the whole thing is done,

24:52 the public opinion is negated,

24:54 then the situation will get worse.

24:56 Then you will not have any option.

24:58 You will not have any option.

25:00 Both parties did not want to form a government,

25:02 then they had to form one.

25:04 If you were in power,

25:06 you would not have formed a government.

25:08 You would have said, he won, we lost,

25:10 we accept our defeat,

25:12 we accept our defeat.

25:14 I would not have formed a government

25:16 even if I was in power.

25:18 This is my opinion.

25:20 I can be wrong.

25:22 But you would have taken political steps.

25:24 You would not have said,

25:26 I would not have formed a government

25:28 and sit at home.

25:30 What political steps would you have taken?

25:32 You talk about the country.

25:34 You say that we have to solve the country's problems.

25:36 We need to sit together.

25:38 Because today,

25:40 if we look at the selfish political interests,

25:42 then PMLN will be at a loss.

25:44 What is the party saying?

25:46 We will support,

25:48 but not support.

25:50 Mr. Mukhsoor has written

25:52 a statement,

25:54 I will send it to you.

25:56 Can't it be told on TV?

25:58 No, it can't be told on TV.

26:00 You said, I will send it,

26:02 I understood it was on TV.

26:04 You did not put a wrong comment.

26:06 What is this?

26:08 It is a good thing that we will not support,

26:10 but support.

26:12 When you support, you will become a supporter.

26:14 Will you sit in the opposition or the government?

26:16 You said you are a girlfriend,

26:18 you don't want to get married.

26:20 Yes, I am not.

26:22 You want to go ahead,

26:24 I will stop here.

26:26 I know he is going ahead.

26:28 I am a little behind him.

26:30 If you were Mian Shabaz Sharif,

26:32 what would you do?

26:34 To get out of this problem?

26:36 If I was Mian Sharif,

26:38 I would do exactly what I am doing.

26:40 If I was Mian Sharif,

26:42 I would not accept this as the last leg of my political career.

26:44 I would not even go to pick up the sledgehammer.

26:46 Mr. Shabaz always talks

26:48 about the wrong, negative things.

26:50 No, he is on record.

26:52 He has a style of politics,

26:54 and he does not even consider it bad.

26:56 He thinks it is right.

26:58 He thinks it is good.

27:00 I am the star of the army.

27:02 He is on record with these things.

27:04 I am the star of the army.

27:06 But Mian Nawaz Sharif...

27:08 You know,

27:10 that conversation

27:12 was held in front of 50 people.

27:14 After that, I denied it.

27:16 But we remember the inauguration

27:18 of the bridge.

27:20 When he built the Barakobu Bypass,

27:22 he also talked about this.

27:24 He has always had a view

27:26 in politics.

27:28 And it is okay,

27:30 we respect his view,

27:32 we do not agree with it.

27:34 But the way he passed through

27:36 the inauguration,

27:38 his political career

27:40 started earlier,

27:42 but there was a moment

27:44 when he said that he will not

27:46 take the dictation in 1993.

27:48 After that, he also formed his own Jamaat.

27:50 And in his

27:52 rise,

27:54 he also freed himself from those chains.

27:56 After freeing himself,

27:58 he started taking his positions

28:00 in politics.

28:02 At least, this should not have

28:04 happened to his positions.

28:06 I would have been in his place.

28:08 Believe me, I would have said

28:10 that I did not accept victory

28:12 under Form 47.

28:14 I would not have gone to pick up the hulf.

28:16 With my example,

28:18 the people of my party,

28:20 they would have stood behind me.

28:22 And I would have said that I will

28:24 sit in the opposition, let the people

28:26 who have been mandated by the people

28:28 of my party,

28:30 they are national leaders,

28:32 and they had to go up.

28:34 But the thing that they have

28:36 accepted,

28:38 I would not have expected

28:40 this.

28:42 Mr. Shah, you have been with him

28:44 for a long time, since 1988.

28:46 When was the last time you saw

28:48 such a deal,

28:50 so entrenched, so deep?

28:52 But who do you call a deal?

28:54 This whole matter was born

28:56 in 2022.

28:58 On 9th April

29:00 2022,

29:02 Pakistan Government

29:04 took majority on

29:06 Form 45.

29:08 Form 47 was not needed.

29:10 On 45, you had majority.

29:12 On 9th April

29:14 2022.

29:16 Which led to the lack of confidence.

29:18 After lack of confidence,

29:20 if you had gone to the elections,

29:22 your situation would have been different.

29:24 Completely, politically,

29:26 you would have been bankrupt.

29:28 You would have been left with no place to go.

29:30 That has caused a lot of loss,

29:32 which you have seen in the elections.

29:34 Now, the decisions you have taken,

29:36 have widened the ocean.

29:38 Your politics will be weakened.

29:40 This is my suggestion.

29:42 But sir, I want to ask something else.

29:44 If I see Mr. Mian's political

29:46 history,

29:48 Mr. Nawaz Sharif in 1985,

29:50 Mr. Mian in 1988,

29:52 Mr. Mian from IJI,

29:54 Mr. Mian from IJI,

29:56 who was a rich man,

29:58 I think that period,

30:00 we did not see it like that in the last 20 years.

30:02 We saw that Mr. Mian said

30:04 no to dictation from Lehenga,

30:06 against Musharraf,

30:08 then clearly denying General Raheel Sharif,

30:10 you deal with him, Mr. Mian,

30:12 you go away,

30:14 then take punishment, etc.

30:16 This

30:18 2024, I think,

30:20 after that, he decided

30:22 to do an anti-deal.

30:24 Is this right?

30:26 I am saying it right, or did you deal like this before?

30:28 No, this has never happened.

30:30 No such elections were held, unfortunately.

30:32 But,

30:34 the right decision Mr. Mian has taken,

30:36 which is not to come himself,

30:38 at least, this will not affect his personality.

30:40 God forbid, what are you saying?

30:42 Okay, it has a very negative effect.

30:44 I am telling you.

30:46 Listen to me, he flew from London,

30:48 he went to see off the High Commissioner of Pakistan,

30:50 he flew a pigeon here,

30:52 he knew that I had to go to Lahore from here,

30:54 I have arranged for the Jalsa,

30:56 my case is over.

30:58 He knew everything,

31:00 he was a sabre instrument.

31:02 What are you saying that he will not get anything?

31:04 He has made the deal.

31:06 If he had become the Prime Minister himself,

31:08 it would have had a very negative effect.

31:10 This is my opinion.

31:12 Would it have had a more negative effect?

31:14 I mean, because of your deals,

31:16 the party has come to 18-20 seats,

31:18 let's do 30-40 seats.

31:20 What would have been a more negative effect?

31:22 Are you talking about Form 45 or 47?

31:24 A little bit of 45 and a little bit of 47.

31:26 A little bit.

31:28 Do you realize?

31:30 Yesterday someone told me that

31:32 Maryam Nawaz has now become the CM of this party,

31:34 what else will you do to lift her?

31:36 I said, the party is sitting,

31:38 first we have to see from there,

31:40 how to lift the party from there.

31:42 Is that not true?

31:44 We should examine what happened in the election.

31:46 A lot of introspection is needed.

31:48 Very serious.

31:50 All the parties.

31:52 This election was a very extraordinary election.

31:54 Believe me.

31:56 More extraordinary than the need.

31:58 No, no, leave the extraordinary part.

32:00 The people who have voted,

32:02 it is very extraordinary.

32:04 For any country,

32:06 for our country,

32:08 it is very extraordinary.

32:10 This is the first time I have seen

32:12 people in Pakistan

32:14 who have defeated the system.

32:16 Let's be honest.

32:18 People have won.

32:20 In the last election,

32:22 they gave 50-55 seats to Mian Saab

32:24 in Central Punjab.

32:26 But that was not winning.

32:28 People have won.

32:30 If you were there, what would you do?

32:32 Instead of People's Party,

32:34 instead of Bilawal Saab,

32:36 there is a rift between Zardari Saab and Bilawal Saab.

32:38 They wanted to go to the new government.

32:40 Zardari Saab.

32:42 What would you have done?

32:44 Look,

32:46 in the politics of People's Party,

32:48 Zardari Saab

32:50 has leaned towards power politics.

32:52 And Bilawal Saab

32:54 thinks,

32:56 in my opinion,

32:58 that in Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,

33:00 they will not be able to take back space

33:02 in other Pakistan until

33:04 they do not do such politics

33:06 which has a strong imprint

33:08 and a glimpse of their

33:10 martyr mother.

33:12 So this is basically

33:14 what is being drawn in People's Party.

33:16 And in that, the prevailing...

33:18 The fight of the views.

33:20 You can't say fight,

33:22 perhaps fight is a stronger word.

33:24 But in that, the difference is

33:26 that the one who prevails

33:28 is Zardari Saab.

33:30 And if we

33:32 look at the way

33:34 politics is going on in the country,

33:36 if we look at it in that context,

33:38 then power politics is going on.

33:40 Your mandate,

33:42 if you are not

33:44 plugged in power politics,

33:46 then you are denied.

33:48 So in that sense,

33:50 that politics is perhaps right.

33:52 But the big politics

33:54 which has to get 25 crore people

33:56 out of this crisis,

33:58 in which we are stuck,

34:00 we have to end our contradictions,

34:02 then this politics

34:04 cannot solve the problem.

34:06 When you accept that system,

34:08 then you are not able to

34:10 rectify it.

34:12 So this is basically

34:14 the flaw and I am

34:16 surprised at this.

34:18 We...

34:20 Two wars took place

34:22 in our neighborhood.

34:24 Pakistan became a part of those wars.

34:26 And they also had an impact

34:28 on our thinking, which completely

34:30 transformed us into a security state.

34:32 Today, this is happening,

34:34 the media Asatoor,

34:36 Twitter is shut down.

34:38 I want to run this program

34:40 in the last part,

34:42 Asatoor is under arrest,

34:44 Imran Riaz Khan

34:46 is also under arrest.

34:48 Yesterday I spoke to Arif Batty,

34:50 Arif Batty is not able to come

34:52 on the TV screen, he cannot come,

34:54 he has been offered.

34:56 So this is also a problem

34:58 in this issue.

35:00 This is because we

35:02 are not able to understand

35:04 that as a security state,

35:06 Pakistan cannot continue.

35:08 Its functioning

35:10 is directly

35:12 in clash with

35:14 the evolution

35:16 of our society.

35:18 It is a fundamental thing

35:20 that people say,

35:22 the intellectuals say

35:24 that you get awareness first,

35:26 and by getting awareness,

35:28 you get awareness.

35:30 And the third stage is

35:32 after getting awareness,

35:34 you ask for your rights.

35:36 So the change that has come

35:38 in our society,

35:40 we are still refusing

35:42 to accept that change.

35:44 This is the new age.

35:46 And I think this is the problem

35:48 probably that the system

35:50 is not working with the new age.

35:52 If I may say the last point,

35:54 I think that in these elections,

35:56 the biggest thing that has come

35:58 out is the failure of the

36:00 mainstream media.

36:02 I am talking about the

36:04 entire mainstream media,

36:06 on which you could not

36:08 show the campaign of a

36:10 community, their signs,

36:12 their candidates.

36:14 Despite that,

36:16 you only showed the

36:18 specific communities,

36:20 you did not show the

36:22 justice movement.

36:24 But that is there.

36:26 Technically it is fine.

36:28 We have shown all the big

36:30 competitions here.

36:32 But what I want to say is that

36:34 when you took the people's

36:36 signs in this country,

36:38 someone told me an example

36:40 of a circle and I was very

36:42 surprised to think about it.

36:44 One gentleman had a radio sign,

36:46 one had a harmonium sign,

36:48 both looked the same,

36:50 the difference was only

36:52 visible to the people.

36:54 He knew this too.

36:56 That is why it was such an

36:58 impossible campaign.

37:00 I will take a break.

37:02 We will come back after the break.

Off The Record | Kashif Abbasi | ARY News | 29th February 2024

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