Shields Gazette and Newcastle United writers preview Sunderland v Newcastle United.
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00:00 We've just been speaking to Eddie Howe, myself and Jordan, and we were just talking before we went on camera.
00:06 A lot was spoke about the Derby and what it means to Newcastle, but what did Eddie Howe really have to say, Jordan, other than that?
00:14 It was very Derby heavy, a lot of colour around the Derby. I think the gist of it is that Eddie Howe understands the meaning and what this game means to the supporters.
00:25 Does he really? Do you think he does?
00:27 I think he does. He's tried to play it.
00:30 It's a new experience for him because he wouldn't have been involved in Derbys like this before, no disrespect to Bournemouth, but you sort of question who their Derby is, don't you?
00:40 Bournemouth or Southampton?
00:42 But they're a Derby in themselves, who the hell is Bournemouth?
00:46 Exactly.
00:47 Come in the comments and tell us what Bournemouth's Derby is.
00:49 Bournemouth or the Middlesbrough of the South Coast in that respect, I suppose. But off topic, it will be a new experience for Eddie Howe.
00:57 I questioned him if he was nervous and he said, "No, it's just like any other game," which it's not, let's be honest.
01:04 He did recognise that.
01:07 But he wants as much as possible to treat it like any other game while recognising that it'll be like no other game he's managed before in terms of what surrounds it.
01:20 Hopefully the 90 minutes on the pitch will go with what Eddie Howe wants and expects from his side and what most people would expect given a Premier League team against a Championship team.
01:32 But quite often, Derbys don't unfold in that way.
01:36 You might think I was just filling my phone out, but I actually just Googled what Bournemouth's Derby rivals are.
01:44 Wow, one of them. Elite.
01:48 I don't know where this has come from, but I'm just going with the first answer and it suggests, "Name their nearest neighbour Southampton as their biggest rival."
01:58 So I actually think your middle-spread comparison would be quite fair because Southampton's Derby is not Bournemouth, it's of course Portsmouth.
02:07 It also mentions Portsmouth, Brighton, Redding and as Jordan mentioned, Leeds.
02:11 What game are we previewing here?
02:13 I just thought I'd make a point. I didn't know that.
02:19 Never mind the time we had Derby on, we had time Derby. It's all about Bournemouth versus Southampton.
02:24 Bournemouth's Southampton!
02:26 He's never going to experience anything like he's going to feel this weekend.
02:32 Even if the black and white carpet has been rolled out.
02:36 Shall we talk about that, actually?
02:39 Do your little preview first and then we'll get involved in the new game.
02:43 The press conference started as usual, injury updates, Calum Olsen out, we knew that.
02:48 Kieran Trevey out of doubt, we knew that. Late fitness test for him.
02:52 Then it was pretty much all Derby from there.
02:57 I guess the one big takeaway you could say is, is this Derby a potential defining one for Eddie Howe's tenure at Newcastle United?
03:06 Given the context of seven defeats in the last eight games out of the Champions League, out of the Carabao Cup.
03:11 This is their best chance of actually making something of this season.
03:15 If they were to exit the FA Cup at the hands of their fiercest rivals, it would be a hammer blow to Newcastle and to Eddie Howe.
03:25 Jordan, Eddie Howe was asked about that. What was your take away from that?
03:30 He was pretty much asked if it could be a defining game in his managerial tenure at Newcastle.
03:36 You look at the previous managers at Newcastle, Derby defeats have been the unravelling of some of them.
03:43 He played that down, he said he wasn't thinking about it like that.
03:47 The only thing he was thinking about was controlling the controllables.
03:50 He didn't use that term, that's my term.
03:53 He was using the, the only thing he can manage is the team, what the team do on the pitch.
04:00 It's probably Newcastle World term now.
04:02 Control the controllables.
04:03 I think we've said that a lot recently.
04:05 A lot of the controllables haven't been controlled recently.
04:10 So in terms of Eddie Howe's future, he was asked about the external noise of being under pressure.
04:21 He said he felt the full support of the owners.
04:28 So in terms of the future, I suppose that can be parked for now.
04:32 If you're asking if Newcastle are to lose the time they had at Derby and you ask about Eddie Howe's future,
04:36 I think there might be a few supporters potentially, I might be wrong,
04:41 I think there might be potentially asking big questions about Eddie Howe.
04:44 Because there has been questions asked in recent weeks about losing to your FIATSIS rivals.
04:48 Let's not forget our division below, you've been knocked out of the FA Cup for the third consecutive season.
04:55 Losing tomorrow in many ways is unthinkable.
05:00 I'm being negative about it, looking at the potential negatives of losing.
05:06 But Newcastle should really hopefully get a win tomorrow because they are the Premier League team.
05:13 They're in bad form but they are the far superior football club.
05:17 Eddie Howe spoke about this game could potentially get Newcastle season back on track if you like.
05:25 After some tough results, they need something to kick start the season again.
05:32 In this game, in the midst of a difficult January, January transfer window as well,
05:37 comes at an interesting time for Newcastle.
05:42 It's almost, where does the season go from here?
05:45 It's so important for them to be honest.
05:48 I asked Eddie Howe if it was more important to Newcastle than it is for them.
05:53 In the context that Newcastle's priorities are to win something, to get into Europe,
05:59 Sundance are probably more just get back into the Premier League.
06:02 Eddie Howe basically dismissed that but he said the importance of this game isn't lost on him.
06:10 It could potentially be season defining for Newcastle.
06:14 Before we get into the nitty gritty of the time we had earlier,
06:18 I was going to talk a little bit about the future thing which is what you're both touching upon.
06:24 Eddie Howe's future.
06:26 I think my stance on it very much is, and I've seen so much on social media,
06:31 which isn't always the best judge of barometer of what the fans feel like.
06:37 I speak to a lot of people. I know what a lot of people feel about it.
06:41 I speak to family and friends. I'm sure these two guys do and everyone else is the same out there.
06:46 I've come down to the idea that I think everybody is disappointed by what they've seen
06:53 and what they've seen from the manager in this run.
06:55 How he hasn't been able to arrest the decline which will again be tested this weekend.
07:00 But I think everybody kind of falls on the idea that he's probably earned enough,
07:04 he's got enough cash in the bank to be given the opportunity to turn that around.
07:09 But I think there is also a caveat that people are asking the question,
07:14 has he got the answers to the questions?
07:16 Because the questions that have been posed in the last few weeks,
07:18 he has not had anywhere near close to an answer to.
07:21 And I think that has concerned people.
07:23 So jump in the comments and let us know if that's kind of what you feel.
07:26 There are different camps. Some that I think have blind loyalty
07:31 and are absolutely determined to no matter what happens, stick by the man
07:34 and think that's the right way forward.
07:36 I think there's a big huge grey area in the middle who tend to sit in that area
07:41 where I've just said that they've got their criticisms,
07:44 but also think he's got enough cash in the bank to move forward
07:48 and be given the opportunity to turn this around.
07:51 How long that lasts, I don't know.
07:53 I don't think that will really change that many people's opinion this weekend.
07:58 I think in the emotion of it, in the immediate aftermath, you'll see,
08:01 if they get beat, you'll see a lot of people shouting for his head.
08:04 But I still think that grey area will be predominant among the fan base.
08:08 Then there is also another area of fans, which I've spoken to a few
08:11 in the last week or two, who were never actually convinced by Eddie Howe
08:16 and almost wanted the club to go further and come from a standpoint of
08:24 still not believing he's potentially the right person,
08:27 but are still happy with what he's achieved at the club
08:30 and are almost surprised by that.
08:32 I think there's a lot of different opinions.
08:34 I think one thing that I want to make clear is that I think criticism
08:40 of what has happened in the last few weeks has been absolutely fair.
08:43 I think it was pitiful.
08:45 The defensive set-up against Liverpool, as good as Liverpool were, was pitiful.
08:50 It was the same against Nottingham Forest.
08:53 I'm concerned that that was what we've seen at Bournemouth under Eddie Howe.
08:57 Now, there's nothing more that I want than him to prove me wrong.
09:01 I think a weekend win will go a long way to doing that.
09:05 But I also think criticism is fair.
09:07 I've been very concerned personally by the lack of answers Nick Hassen
09:11 has had to teams who look to work them out a bit.
09:14 The plan A, is there a plan B?
09:16 Eddie Howe thinks he's got numerous plan Bs.
09:18 I think he said at one of the press conferences you guys were in.
09:21 I'm yet to see one, a legitimate one that actually answers the questions
09:24 in-game to any team who poses questions.
09:27 Some of them will pose questions, they'll pose a different kind of questions
09:31 moving on to the Derby.
09:32 They've got some good players.
09:34 Obviously everyone talks about Jack Clark.
09:37 He'd name-dropped here when the press conference Jack Clark was on
09:40 and the only one was Patrick Roberts who might not play.
09:43 Patrick Roberts is a class performer on his day.
09:46 He's an inconsistent player, but he's a class performer.
09:51 Pritchard is getting on.
09:52 I remember when Raphael was trying to sign him for Newcastle United.
09:55 He's a good technical player.
09:58 They've got other players around the pitch.
10:01 Hume, Ballard, they've got a decent championship side.
10:04 They're not the most physical of sides, but they will pose the type of questions
10:09 having watched them a few times this season that has really caused
10:12 Nick Hassen problems recently.
10:14 The type of transition problems that Liverpool cause them
10:18 and Nottingham Forest cause them.
10:20 I've seen some do that at teams on numerous occasions.
10:23 Can Eddie Howe set his team up to make sure that doesn't happen again?
10:27 If that starts happening and they suddenly get a head of wind early in this game,
10:33 these games are built on emotion.
10:34 They're built on feeling and energy.
10:39 If Newcastle United allow them to have those kinds of breakaways
10:43 and create chances early doors, then the balance of play would be concerning.
10:48 Changing energies and tactics during games has not proven Eddie Howe's strong point
10:56 in recent weeks.
10:57 It might be unfair to say that it hasn't proven his strong point in his time as manager.
11:01 Some people might argue that it is, but I would definitely just use the last few weeks
11:05 as a microcosm.
11:06 I don't think he's managed in-game very well at all.
11:10 He hasn't had a lot to manage.
11:12 It's not like he's been at the call on a bench in five or six
11:15 where he can automatically say, "Right, he could change a game, he could change a game."
11:19 But even when he's had that, I don't necessarily feel that he's been able to influence games,
11:24 even with just tactical tweaks.
11:26 The way I look at it, and this is going back on a history rather than going on to his future,
11:31 rather than the game itself, but I'll go back to the Liverpool game at St. James' Park,
11:37 not the last one, the one at St. James', where Jurgen Klopp made a number of tactical
11:42 and personnel changes that totally flipped a game on its head during the game.
11:46 When he passed an eight with a better team, were dominant and had 11 men v 10.
11:49 Jurgen Klopp made two changes, I think it was Nunes and Jota, Jota, sorry,
11:53 and all of a sudden posed a whole different set of questions
11:57 which Eddie Hall was unable to answer.
11:59 That's the kind of in-game management that I want to see from a manager
12:02 who, this football club has elite ambitions.
12:04 We need to see some elite tactical tweaks to this team.
12:09 You're maybe not going to need elite tactical tweaks to influence the game on Saturday,
12:13 but it's going to need something.
12:15 In my opinion, if he goes into this game on Saturday with his fingers crossed
12:21 and his eyes shut, hoping that that midfield of Miley, Longstaff and Bruno
12:25 is set up exactly the same way that it was at Liverpool and expecting a different result,
12:30 I think it is lunacy because it isn't working, in my opinion.
12:33 I think there's a number of different reasons for that.
12:36 I think Miley's been asked to do a lot at the age that he is.
12:40 I think he doesn't look like he's got a full defensive armoury in his game, he's 17.
12:45 He's been asked to learn at the highest level on the job.
12:49 I think he needs to be cutting a little bit of slack by the manager, in my opinion,
12:53 putting him in at that level.
12:55 Longstaff, for me, is on the wrong side and Bruno's been asked to do far too much.
13:00 Longstaff was an excellent cog in the wheel when he was in a very structured team.
13:04 You've taken him out of that structure and moved him into a totally alien position.
13:08 It might not seem a lot, but it is. It can't matter.
13:11 He had cogs around him that just worked.
13:14 Trippier, Almiron, he knew exactly where Bruno on the inside didn't change.
13:18 It doesn't happen anymore. None of that happens because he's been totally moved out of that position.
13:22 You've taken him out and he looks a much lesser player.
13:25 He's still the same player. He's still the same guy. He's still running around.
13:29 He's still not shirking possession and wanting the ball. He's still trying.
13:33 It's just he's not in the same structured position.
13:36 Bruno, again, is a major symptom of that problem, the moving around.
13:43 How can you expect... He's either being deployed as some kind of defensive shield,
13:48 which clearly isn't the case, or he's having to be in Newcastle's creative spark
13:53 when there isn't any creative spark around him.
13:56 It's problematic because he's caught between a rock and a hard place.
14:00 He's an excellent player. I've seen some massive criticism online.
14:05 I'll argue that, to let the cows come home, personally with anybody who criticises Bruno Guimaraes,
14:11 because you'll realise when he's gone how good he was.
14:14 I think we're not seeing the best of him because he's not been playing in a system that suits him at all.
14:20 I think it would be a real crying shame if he left this football club without ever really unlocking the true potential of him.
14:25 I think this midfield set up as it is at the moment, which is by circumstance as well.
14:30 It's not by choice, but I think something needs to change on Saturday
14:38 because I think that could be a real problem at the stadium.
14:41 You mentioned there about the in-game management, which we haven't seen from any hour of late,
14:48 but I think against someone in the Championship team there can be no excuses.
14:51 You used the comparison to Liverpool there and how Jurgen Klopp changed the game by bringing on the likes of Jota, etc.
14:58 Whereas Eddie Howe doesn't really have any other kind of options at his disposal because of the amount of injuries.
15:06 Even if he had a fully fit squad, he still wouldn't have that quality on his bench.
15:10 I think there needs to be a bit of in-game management.
15:15 I think on the weekend there can be no excuses. They're playing a lesser opposition.
15:22 If Eddie Howe needs to change the game, he needs to show that in-game.
15:26 They're playing a lower class opposition.
15:30 I'd say one thing I would say in that favour, in Sunderland's favour,
15:35 they do have a very tactically astute training ground manager in Michael Beale.
15:41 He's had his critics. I think largely his critics from Rangers came because he mislaid the keys to the vault
15:47 and signed players that just did not work at all.
15:50 He wasted a lot of money, to be honest.
15:53 But in terms of his tactical notes, he's quite a smart guy.
15:57 So I'm pretty sure he'll have seen exactly where Nicasinic's faults and flaws are and will be looking to exploit them.
16:05 But the way I feel about it is, if Nicasinic play at 70% of their potential, they'll win this game.
16:15 I've got no doubt about it. It only has to take a 70% performance.
16:19 The problem is they've probably been operating at about 20% recently.
16:22 They're absolutely nowhere near. So that's the big problem.
16:26 They have better players. They have better...
16:29 Even, we'll look to the bench and it'll be limited in our respect,
16:35 but that bench will almost certainly, I can't think off the top of my head what it'll be,
16:39 but I'd imagine most of them would get into that first team at Sunderland,
16:42 despite what we're saying about its lack of quality.
16:47 But I think the problem is that can Nicasinic raise their levels after really they've become very used to losing.
16:56 They're in a rut that as much as winning is a hard process to break,
17:03 when you get in that mould and you keep winning and winning and winning,
17:07 they're in a losing rut at the moment and it's kind of really picking themselves up.
17:12 For all that were in that game against Liverpool, it was a battering, by the way.
17:16 It was a complete and utter battering from minute one to 90.
17:20 And that takes a toll on things mentally as well as physically when you're chasing the ball all day.
17:28 But mentally, the players know that game, that they never got close to Liverpool.
17:33 So despite what the facts and the result might tell you, 4-2, it was an 8-2 going on 4-2.
17:38 There's nothing even close to the result itself.
17:41 And yes, of course, the key things in games can go their way and things like that,
17:44 but I don't really... You're a footballer and you've played that 90 minutes.
17:47 You know exactly what's just happened to you, despite what the result might say
17:51 and what the referee's decisions might be.
17:53 How do you break that mindset? How do you then suddenly go from that
17:58 to being right where the team turn up, where they send them and say,
18:02 "We're going to go and take this game to you and we're going to beat you"?
18:05 Because you're castinated at their very best.
18:08 You pluck your cast and you go... I mean, they haven't been at their very best this season.
18:12 It's very rare moments, but if they put in a performance like they have
18:18 in some of the Champions League games away from home and things like that,
18:20 they'll win this game at a canter.
18:24 It's just, can they raise themselves?
18:26 They haven't shown any signs of being able to do that.
18:29 I thought they were better at Liverpool, better than they were in the previous two games.
18:34 But looting feels like a fair comparison, in my opinion.
18:38 So, looting... You could probably transplant any of the teams at the top of the Championship
18:43 for looting and say that they're not far off.
18:47 I think if looting were playing Sunderland, it'd be a tight game.
18:50 Sunderland would fancy the chances of beating them.
18:52 Yeah, they would. I think that's probably a point you're going to come on.
18:55 We've been chatting a lot behind the scenes this week about Sunderland's comparisons
19:01 and this small-cub mentality, which is what essentially we've seen a lot of this week.
19:06 Which is quite baffling when they say they were as big as Newcastle United.
19:10 Eddie Howe wouldn't get drawn on that, by the way.
19:12 He was asked who were the bigger club and he basically didn't comment.
19:16 Hey, what a bottle of that!
19:19 You're not having that from your manager.
19:21 He's not my manager!
19:24 No, don't cut that up. I don't want to become a meme.
19:29 Right, where was I even going with that?
19:33 Sunderland small-cub mentality. Let's just come on to it then.
19:38 The half-shown small-cub mentality this week, I don't know.
19:41 It's been terrible.
19:42 How big are you? Are you a big club or are you not?
19:45 There'll be some of them watching this here.
19:47 I hear nothing. You're the same. You're the same.
19:50 You hear nothing about these Sunderland fans.
19:52 They're all like, "We're as big as you. We're as big as you."
19:56 And then all of a sudden, when you're actually playing Newcastle United,
19:58 "Oh, look at the size of your squad. Oh, look at the amount you've spent."
20:02 We'll never win.
20:03 There's been so much of that this week.
20:06 Talk of it being a free hit, and Alexander Isak is worth more than our entire squad.
20:13 You know, you played Champions League this season.
20:16 As I rode for Newcastle World, I think it's very easy to see all that.
20:20 I think deep down, Sunderland will be quietly confident they can beat Newcastle.
20:27 So I don't buy this where we shouldn't be winning.
20:31 I don't buy it.
20:33 They maybe don't expect it, but I do think they are quietly confident.
20:39 And I think if they don't get a result, I think they'll all be disappointed.
20:42 But it's such an easy thing to say.
20:45 You come away from the game and Newcastle have won,
20:47 and Sunderland fans are back on social media saying,
20:49 "Well, we didn't expect to win." It's such an easy out for them.
20:52 So I don't buy this.
20:54 You made a point there, Liam.
20:57 I know Sunderland fans. You speak to Sunderland fans, I speak to Sunderland fans.
21:01 Every time I speak to them, they always...
21:03 They're through gritted teeth.
21:05 A lot of them have told me that.
21:08 Sunderland are a bigger club than Newcastle.
21:10 I've heard the same arguments.
21:12 Well, if you're that big, then why are you playing a smaller mentality against Newcastle?
21:17 If you're that big, take what you want.
21:20 Team that's finished.
21:21 Team that's finished? This is ridiculous.
21:24 We're floating around here struggling.
21:26 Newcastle United are at the bottom end of the top flight.
21:30 Sunderland's a football club that's finished in the top half of the top flight
21:34 I think three or four times in about 50 or 60 years.
21:39 I think two top-ten finishers in the final league from about 2005 or something.
21:47 Newcastle United will have had a bad season if they finish eighth.
21:49 Sunderland don't. Most Sunderland fans of any age have barely experienced that.
21:54 That's the modern day... I'm not just being a funny bugger here.
22:00 I'm actually just talking about facts.
22:03 Historically, Newcastle United and Sunderland are close-ish.
22:08 I think Newcastle United have always proven that it's a bigger city.
22:11 It's a bigger area.
22:13 It's got more national and international prominence.
22:16 It always has since the Industrial Revolution.
22:20 I think there's just levels to this game sometimes when you come to that kind of stuff.
22:25 That's nothing on Sunderland. It is what it is.
22:28 They've always been fighting that corner.
22:30 As football clubs, Newcastle United have probably benefited from that
22:34 in an era of football growth in the last 30 to 40 years.
22:38 Despite a 15-year huge dip and low,
22:41 Newcastle United have consistently been the big football club in the region.
22:47 They are the region's football club.
22:49 Despite what anybody shouting about league titles might want to tell you,
22:53 yes, of course, league titles matter.
22:55 Ask Dom about whether those football titles actually count as much as football titles these days.
22:59 Watch my previous videos for that kind of content.
23:02 But yeah, Newcastle United is...
23:05 Ask a thousand random football fans around the world who Newcastle United are and who Sunderland are
23:11 and I guarantee you more will know who Newcastle United are most of all.
23:15 And quite a lot probably won't know who Sunderland are.
23:18 Unless they've seen Netflix.
23:20 Dom, come on. Stop me with my ranting.
23:25 Yeah, I don't want to go too far into the 'who are the bigger club' and stuff like that.
23:30 Why? Don't be Eddie Howe.
23:34 You're a journalist at the end of the day.
23:36 No, I'm a journalist. I'm an editor.
23:38 Aye, aye.
23:39 But what I will say is this whole Sunderland playing the underdog role,
23:44 which, look, they are underdogs,
23:48 but Newcastle the last three years have been knocked out by Cambridge United, Sheffield Wednesday.
23:53 If they were to get beat by Sunderland it would be the least upsetting of the three.
23:56 It's not another Hefferfad or anything like that.
23:59 So Newcastle, favourites for this game,
24:04 but let's not build this up as a sort of fairy tale meeting for Sunderland
24:10 where they're against some absolute team who've got no hope of beating.
24:16 If Sunderland went and won tomorrow, hopefully from our perspective they don't,
24:20 but it wouldn't be an absolute FA Cup major upset for me.
24:26 It would be a surprise, but let's not build it up as an upset.
24:30 I was going to come on that, like, I've been burying my head in the sand recently
24:34 with regards to the Premier League and the league table,
24:36 but who are the teams that sit either side of Newcastle United in the Premier League at the moment?
24:39 Do you know off the top of your head?
24:41 Chelsea will be one of them. West Ham maybe?
24:43 No, West Ham are a bit further up, aren't they?
24:46 Chelsea's one of the best teams.
24:48 No, get up. She'll go factual.
24:54 It shows our level of research.
24:56 Is this the point I was trying to make?
24:58 Yeah, I think it's a good point as well.
25:00 What I would say is, Sunderland would fancy their chances of...
25:03 It's a really bad example.
25:05 Man U and Chelsea either side of Newcastle United.
25:08 So Wolves are one point behind Newcastle United and Bournemouth.
25:14 If Sunderland have got Wolves at the Stadium of Light,
25:19 are we hearing the same kind of stuff?
25:21 No. But that's the thing. That's the beauty of a derby.
25:25 It's built up, which I think Eddie Howe tried to get onto a little bit
25:30 in one of his answers to my question.
25:32 It's built up for more...
25:34 At the end of the day, it is a game of football,
25:36 but it just means so much to so many people in the area
25:40 that it's built up for more than it ultimately is, if you know what I mean.
25:43 Yeah.
25:44 So yeah.
25:46 And I guess on that, you could almost get onto the Stadium of Light fiasco.
25:51 You come to this video for the journalistic analysis in my rant.
25:56 I think that's what you do.
25:57 So I'm going big crow.
25:58 You've dragged me into it, Eddie.
25:59 I'm going big... Have I?
26:00 You've dragged me into it.
26:01 But you know I disagree with you on a lot of big...
26:04 Who are the bigger clubs side of things that I'm sure we won't get into.
26:07 You do.
26:08 But I think it's a pointless argument.
26:11 It is, isn't it? It actually is.
26:13 But it comes on the point, and I say a lot of it on social media,
26:17 is that, "Woe us, where the minnows make their mind up, lads, landlasses."
26:23 Are you the minnows, or are you bigger than the team that you're trying to beat on Saturday?
26:27 Come in with comments and let me know.
26:29 You might have some comments on what I've had to say or what the guys had to say.
26:33 Get involved. We love it.
26:34 We love the to-ing and fro-ing.
26:36 Is that not what this is all about?
26:37 We're all fans at the end of the day as well as journalists.
26:40 We're obviously going to have...
26:43 You can only hide your black and white colours so much in these kind of situations.
26:47 We'll be the consummate professionals on Saturday, as ever,
26:51 as we always are with the Geordie journalists.
26:53 Right. Where are we going?
26:55 I was saying the Stadium of Light.
26:57 Yes. Madden.
26:58 Which was the big talking point this week.
27:00 But why does that matter, Dom?
27:02 Why does it even matter?
27:05 Because it matters.
27:06 If it's a free hit, then it's just another game.
27:08 But why does it matter?
27:10 It doesn't matter.
27:11 Why wouldn't you like to be welcoming and allow some people who only live 10 miles up the road,
27:18 why wouldn't you just allow them and let them have a few signs?
27:21 Because it means a lot to a lot of people.
27:23 Because it does.
27:24 It sums up the Derby mentality.
27:26 Look, I don't care.
27:28 You try and play down your emotions.
27:30 "Ah, it's a free hit for us."
27:32 No. Sunday won't be saying that if they win tomorrow.
27:35 Sunday won't be saying that if they lose tomorrow.
27:37 If they lose tomorrow, it compounds this disastrous week for them in terms of the ticketing and the Black Cats bar and stuff like that.
27:45 If they lose tomorrow, I think...
27:47 Where's the mentality?
27:49 You've got your biggest rival.
27:51 Soap will talk about this.
27:52 They can lay all the groundwork and the foundations that they like.
27:56 They're just doing it in their own minds.
27:58 Laying the foundations in case they get beat.
28:00 They're just tempering their own expectations so that they don't look like dafties by saying things they shouldn't.
28:06 We can say what we like on here.
28:08 It doesn't really make any difference.
28:09 You get your win, lose or draw.
28:10 It doesn't really make any difference.
28:12 It's still Nick Aston hitting Sunday.
28:14 The way things are.
28:15 We're still standing where we are.
28:16 But this mentality of a football club who have gone into big reverse, by the way.
28:22 And you can see the owner.
28:24 I'm going to say this.
28:25 The owner, pointing fingers left, right and centre, needs to be looking in the mirror.
28:29 Never mind pointing fingers everywhere else.
28:31 To allow that to happen is a disgrace.
28:34 It's a disgrace to Sunderland fans everywhere.
28:36 That they've been embarrassed in the biggest week that our football club has had in a while.
28:41 Apart from the major finals and playoffs, etc.
28:44 Aside from that, which are more important, to be brutally honest, than this.
28:47 To have embarrassed them two days before and taken the focus off.
28:51 Michael Beeler just on his press conference.
28:53 Fans were waiting on what Eddie Howe was going to say.
28:55 To have taken that full three day and ran with it and ruined it.
29:00 Ruined the build up.
29:01 Embarrassed their own fans.
29:02 It's utter lunacy.
29:04 Look, we all have a laugh about it.
29:06 We all joke.
29:07 It's like they say, the Derby Day mentality.
29:10 But that really is astounding.
29:13 That a football club would find that even remotely acceptable.
29:16 If you fear that things might get damaged, whatever it may be.
29:20 Just get them covered up.
29:21 Even make an assignment to pay for it, if that's the case.
29:24 If you come to an agreement.
29:25 But just get the signs covered up.
29:27 Don't be putting the most, I'm talking about league finishers.
29:32 The most successful manager that Sunderland's had in their modern era history.
29:35 Is Peter Reid.
29:36 To have a little sign behind the ball saying, "Cheer up Peter Reid."
29:40 I mean, seriously.
29:41 This has gone beyond just embarrassing.
29:43 This is actively mocking people who the fans respect.
29:48 In their own home end bar.
29:51 It is, I just, I was, honestly, I was absolutely astounded.
29:56 To hear that, genuinely.
29:58 It's the most shocking thing I've seen in relation to the time we had derby.
30:02 To be honest.
30:03 And I've seen some shocking performances and results.
30:06 But this was incredible.
30:07 You wouldn't see any other club do this for any other club.
30:11 To be honest.
30:12 How did it happen?
30:13 Like, you wouldn't do it for Manchester United, anything like that.
30:17 Let alone your biggest rivals, Newcastle.
30:19 I think the only exception I can think of.
30:22 Which goes back to that sort of small club mentality.
30:25 Is if it were like a Blythesportans.
30:27 Hey, hey, hey.
30:29 Whoa, whoa, whoa.
30:31 Let me finish the point.
30:32 If it was a Blythesportans in their thick up, roosting Newcastle.
30:35 And they wanted to put an away day, Bourne, something like that.
30:39 To try and cater for 6,000 away fans.
30:42 Didn't I think the Robbie Dale ultras would be a little bit upset, like still.
30:46 They would.
30:47 But I think that's probably the only time where I don't think there would be a massive kick off.
30:52 So if it was a real non-league minnow against a Premier League heavyweight.
30:58 You could almost go fair enough.
31:01 You're catering for thousands of fans.
31:03 But to do it to your closest rivals.
31:05 When suddenly they're so insistent on there being a similar size as Newcastle.
31:10 In terms of stature.
31:12 It's just embarrassing.
31:14 And I don't think what we're saying is out of the turn.
31:16 Because I think Sunderland fans ultimately won't agree with all our opinions on this video.
31:20 But they'll definitely agree with how embarrassing and how lunacy it's been.
31:27 From the decision makers at the club.
31:30 Just to allow this to happen.
31:31 They can start pointing the fingers at whoever.
31:33 But ultimately you're responsible for what happens in your own stadium.
31:37 And to allow that to happen is one of the most remarkable things I've seen in relation to this fixture.
31:43 I was just going to say, imagine it is a replay.
31:46 Do you see Newcastle United rolling out the red and white carpet for Sunderland coming?
31:51 No, absolutely not.
31:54 It just won't happen?
31:56 If you flip around them.
31:58 I even thought it was me.
31:59 If that's a team, it's partly Newcastle putting up.
32:03 Howe the lads.
32:05 Howe.
32:06 Howe.
32:07 Howe.
32:08 Howe.
32:09 Or Tiara.
32:13 Alan Sheehan.
32:15 Alan Sheehan, yeah.
32:16 Kevin Keegan.
32:17 No all that.
32:18 There would be absolute hell on him, rightly so.
32:20 There'd be fume.
32:21 Fume.
32:22 So, yeah.
32:23 It's far, far there.
32:25 I mean, do we know who's behind it?
32:28 Do we know?
32:29 I don't want to get struck off on his fangy little.
32:34 But I think he's pointed the finger so much.
32:37 What he needs to do is, I don't know who's to blame.
32:41 And I don't know how this has happened.
32:42 I'm not privy to that.
32:44 But realistically, he needs to look in the mirror.
32:46 Because he owns that football club and it happened under his watch.
32:51 He needs to look in the mirror, never mind pointing the finger at everybody else.
32:54 And Sunderland fans, I would just be very wary of what you see and what you hear.
32:58 Because it's ultimately the decision of the man who owns the football club.
33:03 It's on his watch.
33:04 And he's let you down.
33:06 He's really let you down.
33:08 Look, your players might not let you down.
33:09 Your manager might not let you down.
33:11 But your club have let you down this week.
33:14 And it wouldn't happen the other way.
33:17 Even when Mike Ashley was the owner, who would be the epitome of the worst football club owner this Newcastle United could ever have,
33:23 wouldn't have rolled out a red mic carpet for Sunderland coming to St James' Park.
33:28 And didn't on numerous occasions, even if the players and manager on those occasions did.
33:33 So, Sunderland will be hoping for the opposite way around this time.
33:39 Right, I think we've done a lot, haven't we?
33:42 Yeah, unless you want to rant again.
33:44 I love ranting. I don't know if you know how I do it.
33:47 Well, you're in at the Stadium of Light, so that's good. We'll all be there tomorrow.
33:50 Yeah, we'll all be in next Saturday, haven't we?
33:52 Oh, that's great. That's a live reveal.
33:56 We'll all be there tomorrow at the Stadium of Light.
34:01 I didn't know that. I actually didn't know that.
34:03 Did you not?
34:04 No, I've not seen it yet.
34:05 I don't think I did either. I was just guessing.
34:07 I got accepted, Jadon got accepted.
34:09 Oh, great, eh? You're in.
34:11 I came to the door.
34:12 You got it right.
34:13 It's great news, that.
34:14 It is great news. So, all three Jordie JNOs will be at the Stadium of Light tomorrow.
34:20 Let us know in the comments.
34:21 It's going to be a tough one for me if there's a defeat. Do you want us to do a live?
34:25 I mean, I'm happy to do it. I'm happy to do a live if you guys would watch.
34:31 I'm pretty sure I'll be quite Sunder-heavy if I do do a live.
34:34 But I'm quite happy to do it.
34:37 We're all black and white at heart, but ultimately we show our colours left, right and centre on these videos.
34:42 But when it comes to working for the Shields Gazette, the Castle World, we're absolutely consummate professionals.
34:49 You'll never find a more professional three on the job than you'll see game face.
34:53 Game face from the Jordie JNOs tomorrow, win, lose or draw.
34:57 In my opinion, some of the emotions have to go out the window when you do this job.
35:01 And you have to deal with what's in front of you.
35:03 We'll have a game face on. Hopefully Eddie Howe's Mads will have their game face on.
35:08 And hopefully Michael Beale's cats. Black cats.
35:14 Arrr.
35:15 We'll have the...
35:16 Arrr. Pirate.
35:17 Pirate cats. Arrr.
35:20 We'll have the non-game face on.
35:26 The King of Waffle comes back.
35:29 Right, I'm not going to rant anymore. Anything else to add? Anything else you want to say?
35:34 More to talk about?
35:36 No, it's approaching 40 minutes, this video. It's quite lengthy.
35:39 It all comes down to the 90 minutes on the pitch tomorrow and hopefully it turns out in Newcastle's favour.
35:45 I mean, would you take a replay if you were offered at this point?
35:49 I don't know.
35:51 To do it all again for the Jordie JNOs?
35:54 I probably wouldn't but I would like to get the job done on the day.
35:59 You've got to go full strength Eddie. You've got to win this game.
36:03 We'll be there tomorrow at the Stadium of Light.
36:06 steering light.