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Want to meet the team? FREE tickets to the CarExpert Melbourne Showcase Event HERE: https://car.expert/melbourne-showcase-free-tickets  Sean, Jade and Scott chat about how we will fuel our cars in the future with Hydrogen front and centre at the recent Munich motor show. Scott throws on some PPE to teach Jade how to drive a manual and the team explains how you can meet them at the CarExpert.com.au Melbourne Showcase Event!  Welcome to our new video podcast! While we've been publishing the CarExpert Podcast as an audio podcast for some time, we wanted to change things up with a video podcast! It’s hosted by Sean Lander (one of our videographers), resident CarExpert Scott Collie and our Social Media guru Jade Credentino.  Skip Ahead: Intro: 00:00 Meet the team: 00:45 Hydrogen is the future? 05:00 Jade learns manual: 15:45 Question of the week: 26:24 Our picks of the week: 28:11 Outro: 31:17  We review every new car on the market, bust car myths, cover the latest car tech and answer your burning questions.  Whether you need new car advice, purchase validation or simply love learning more about new cars and technology, we are your car experts.  Subscribe to Car Expert: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7DvMhvy3H7ntEgn9n3xQcQ?sub_confirmation=1  You'll find us dropping new video content three times a week. If you'd like to ask a question about one of our videos, simply leave us a comment. If you'd like to give us any feedback on our content, feel free to email us, or alternatively, hit us up on social media.  Finally, we want this channel to grow with your support and feedback. If there's anything you don't like or would like to see us change, we'd love to hear from you!  Follow us on social media to see what we're up to and to ask any questions!  CarExpert: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CarExpertAus Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/CarExpertAus Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/carexpert.com.au  Paul Maric: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/PaulMaric Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/PaulMaric Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/PaulMaric

Transcript

00:00 I'm Sean and welcome to the Car Expert podcast.

00:02 We have a massive show for you today.

00:04 It involves Jade Credentino.

00:05 Hi, Jade.

00:06 Hello, Sean.

00:07 Learning to drive a manual car.

00:09 It's finally happening.

00:11 So stick around till later on the episode to see that happen.

00:14 And Scott, you were there to teach her.

00:17 I am, yeah.

00:18 Fresh back from the chiropractor.

00:19 Are you okay?

00:20 I am, yeah, yeah.

00:21 You've gone over it?

00:22 It's incredible.

00:23 Insurance companies will sort most of it for you these days, which is, yeah.

00:25 Very impressive.

00:26 We've got a few other things we're going to talk to you about today.

00:28 We're going to talk to you a little bit about the future of car fuels, I guess.

00:33 Renewable energy.

00:34 I don't want to give away too much, but stick around.

00:35 Yeah, renewable energies in cars.

00:37 And but we're going to just dive straight in.

00:39 Jade has a little announcement that's separate to her learning to drive a manual that she

00:43 wants to talk about.

00:44 So Jade, take it away.

00:45 I am so excited for this.

00:46 So this has been something that's been in the works for the last few weeks.

00:49 Guys, mark your calendars, the 14th of October down here in Melbourne.

00:54 We're going to have a showcase of the cars that are going to be coming to Australia towards

00:59 the end of 2023 and early 2024.

01:02 The whole team, except for Sean, is going to be there.

01:06 But we are so excited.

01:07 All the details are going to be on social media.

01:09 So you can find that at carexpert.com.au.

01:11 I'll also get Sean to put the details in the description of the podcast episode.

01:18 Wow, Jade, I'm intrigued.

01:19 Tell me more.

01:20 What cars will be there?

01:22 So at this stage, we've got probably about 11 or close to cars.

01:27 We've got the Ineos Grenadier, the Hyundai Ioniq 6 EV, which I know is not new, but it's

01:32 going to be on display with V2L capability.

01:36 So if you guys haven't seen that before, that is very exciting.

01:38 The new Ford F-150, the electric Ford Mustang Mach-E, the CX-60 and CX-90 from Mazda, the

01:48 Nissan Patrol Warrior, which I am probably most excited about, the BMW i5, the Porsche

01:54 Cayenne, the new facelifted model, and the BYD Dolphin.

01:59 So we've got quite a lot of cars that are going to be there.

02:02 I'm super excited, definitely.

02:04 It is going to be a ticketed event and for limited availability.

02:07 So make sure that you guys head to all of the social media channels and find out all

02:11 the information from there.

02:12 So Jade, I'm curious a little bit.

02:14 This has been your brainchild.

02:16 So where did this idea come from?

02:18 I think it was just something that you guys, before my time, kind of did the Experience

02:22 Centre down in Sydney.

02:24 I was somebody who actually visited it.

02:26 I think it was really awesome.

02:27 Did you visit the Experience Centre?

02:28 I did.

02:29 I don't remember that day.

02:30 It was in like its last days.

02:31 Okay.

02:32 And I didn't recognise who was there.

02:34 They were all bowled out by that.

02:36 They showed up for the opening and did a final op and then they left again.

02:39 I'm going to go on the record and say I spent a lot of nights at the Manly Warringah Travelodge.

02:43 Oh yeah.

02:44 And then we were locked down in Melbourne.

02:46 We couldn't go back to Sydney.

02:47 So that's probably why we weren't there.

02:48 Yeah, that's exactly what's during.

02:49 We had just opened up, I think, for lockdown.

02:52 So yeah, I think it was really cool.

02:53 I think the idea and the premise of it was really good, especially like I mentioned being

02:58 a female walking into a car dealership or something like that is quite overwhelming,

03:02 especially having that sales pitch right on you.

03:05 So this event will be for everybody to come and have a look and no, obviously, hard sales

03:10 pitch on there.

03:11 But there's going to be some exciting stuff there as well, which I can't release just

03:15 yet.

03:16 But make sure that you are following all of our social channels and we'll slowly release

03:20 that.

03:21 This is something we used to do at Car Advice.

03:25 Paul was the one who organised a lot of this stuff initially.

03:27 But it was really cool as well to meet people face to face because there are regular commenters

03:32 who you just know as a username, who you actually get to chat to.

03:37 The Car Expert team will be there.

03:38 So if you've got any burning questions for us or you want to abuse us about something,

03:42 please feel free to do it in person.

03:43 Yeah, I think it's really cool.

03:49 James Wong is the ambassador for Drive Against Oppression and we've done quite a few of those

03:54 drives this year.

03:55 And it's always really cool meeting the Car Expert fans and the Car Expert people that

03:59 actually follow what we do.

04:00 So I'm super excited to meet all of you guys.

04:03 We've given you guys enough notice.

04:04 It's going to be about a month's notice.

04:05 So again, the date is the 14th of October 2023.

04:08 So mark it in your calendars.

04:09 If you're going to forget it, it's the same date as the referendum.

04:12 That is correct.

04:13 So make sure you either vote in the morning or vote straight after.

04:16 Voting will be open from 8am to 6pm.

04:18 I have done my research.

04:20 This podcast is sponsored by the Australian Electoral Commission.

04:23 Australian Electoral Code of Things.

04:25 Yep.

04:26 So we've counted all that in.

04:27 I'm super excited.

04:28 I think it's going to be hopefully one of many to come in the future.

04:31 So if you can't make this one, let us know what cars you maybe want to see in the future.

04:35 And comment down below which car you're most excited to see.

04:38 So yes, if you're in Melbourne or if you're not in Melbourne and you can make it down

04:41 here for it, well worth coming along.

04:43 There is parking at the event.

04:44 And there's also a hotel in the same complex.

04:48 So if you're from out of Melbourne and you want to make a weekend of it.

04:50 So no excuse not to come along.

04:52 So yes, do head to the Car Expert website and we'll have all the details there.

04:56 We'll also put a link in the show notes for today.

04:59 All right, let's move on now that we've gotten Jade's little plug out of the way.

05:02 Did you say a little plug?

05:03 A huge effort in the background.

05:04 Yeah, I wouldn't put together a big event.

05:05 Don't you sound a bit short?

05:06 I'm very excited.

05:07 I am very excited.

05:08 Yes, I can't wait to see how it turns out.

05:09 Yeah, me too.

05:10 Even though I won't be there.

05:11 Yeah, I'm so excited.

05:12 Next time.

05:13 Yes, I'm very excited to hear how it turns out.

05:14 So I'm sure there'll be plenty of things posted from it.

05:19 But yeah, we'll probably talk about it more as more things come to light over the coming

05:22 weeks as well.

05:23 I want to move on to an interesting thing that came out of IAA Mobility or the Munich

05:27 Motor Show, which is what we spoke about last week.

05:30 Hydrogen seems to be making a little bit of a comeback, doesn't it, Scott?

05:33 It does.

05:34 It was sort of pitched as the fuel of the future for quite a while there.

05:37 I remember watching old Top Gears and James May was driving the Honda Insight in California

05:41 with a little glowing green bulb in the dashboard.

05:45 But it's been put on the back burner by car makers because it's expensive to develop.

05:48 And all of a sudden, we have these really strict emissions targets.

05:51 And the best way to meet them is electric cars right now.

05:54 I think the reason it's come back into sight is brands like BMW and Toyota are investing

05:59 really heavily in it.

06:00 BMW is now bringing more iX5s to Australia.

06:04 The Toyota Mirai we're going to get more of in 2024.

06:06 And Jade, was it the Hyundai Nexo was already on government fleets?

06:10 Yeah, that's right.

06:11 So it is currently on government fleet.

06:14 And I have been chatting to a few government bodies as well, and they're also considering

06:17 it.

06:18 So it's very exciting to see more hydrogen come through.

06:21 Well, just just to give people a quick history lesson here.

06:25 What is it that made sort of hydrogen come and go?

06:28 Because it's huge in the space race.

06:29 NASA uses it to launch rockets into space.

06:32 But from a car perspective, why?

06:35 What's the difficulty with it?

06:36 Why'd they go away from it?

06:37 So there's a couple of challenges with it, one of which is the fact that we don't have

06:41 any infrastructure.

06:42 The reason that petrol engine cars or diesel engine cars are really easy is because within

06:48 the range of a fuel tank, there is usually a petrol station to fill up.

06:50 And that's the promise of hydrogen.

06:53 That promise only works if the fuel stations actually exist.

06:55 And the fuel stations only come about if there's enough cars on the road and you end up in

06:59 this really tricky chicken or egg situation.

07:01 Where you don't have a chicken or an egg, really.

07:03 Exactly.

07:04 You have the idea of both.

07:05 Whereas with electric cars, although the infrastructure is not incredible, you can charge those cars

07:09 at home as well.

07:10 And that solves that problem to an extent.

07:12 The other challenge with hydrogen is, for one, the PR disaster that was the Hindenburg.

07:16 Don't know anything about it.

07:19 But it's quite difficult to transport and store.

07:22 So petrol, although you still need reinforced tanks that aren't going to blow up into a

07:25 million pieces in a crash, they don't need to be heavily pressurized and bulletproof

07:30 like hydrogen tanks in cars are at the moment.

07:33 And that means that there is a lot of investment car makers need to put into, for one, making

07:36 their cars safe, but also to actually moving this fuel around.

07:40 It's also hard to harvest hydrogen, even though it's the most abundant resource in the universe.

07:44 It's actually very hard to get it, store it, and put it into a car.

07:48 One of the problems we have with electric cars is they're only as clean as the energy

07:52 you put into them.

07:53 And if the energy coming from the grid is dirty coal power, ultimately then they're

07:58 still cleaner locally because there's no tailpipe emissions.

08:01 But over the course of their life, they don't save the emissions they could relative to

08:04 an internal combustion car.

08:06 It's a similar story with hydrogen.

08:08 There are ways to get it into tanks cleanly.

08:12 But ultimately, they are still fairly young technologies.

08:14 And they're quite expensive.

08:15 It's the sort of thing the CSIRO is working on in Australia.

08:18 You can also do it a dirty way.

08:20 But doing it a dirty way and then putting it in a car designed to be clean doesn't make

08:23 all that much sense.

08:24 Very counterproductive, yeah.

08:25 OK, so I know that BMW have the iX5 is going to come with limited numbers in hydrogen.

08:33 Yeah, there are three of them coming to Australia.

08:35 But they're the biggest hydrogen car that will be available in Australia, right?

08:39 Yeah, so I think it's cool.

08:41 Yeah, so as we said, Hyundai launched the Nexo here in the midst of COVID.

08:46 So I went in a Nexo, really cool.

08:50 It feels like an electric car to drive around.

08:52 Refueling it was really fascinating because it was, I think it was three minutes.

08:56 And it fully refueled the six or eight liter tank that it had.

08:59 So it was actually a really impressive thing.

09:01 And they built that car out of mostly recycled materials.

09:03 So credit to Hyundai for that one.

09:06 BMW bringing three iX5s.

09:08 But I know INEOS, which the INEOS Grenadier is a very, very cool Land Rover-ish off-roader.

09:14 But they've got a hydrogen version that they're working on, right?

09:17 Yeah, so INEOS is committed to developing a hydrogen version of the Grenadier

09:21 or one of their off-roaders.

09:22 We know they've got more cars coming as well.

09:24 And that is one of the spaces where hydrogen really does have potential.

09:28 Ultimately, it kind of makes sense to have an electric car if what you do mostly is drive it around the city.

09:34 Because you don't need to carry around these hydrogen tanks.

09:36 You can charge it at home.

09:38 It's when you go into more remote places or you want to carry something really heavy on the back,

09:42 like on a truck, for example, that hydrogen kind of makes a bit more sense and offers more options.

09:47 And we're even seeing some brands talk about the idea of a fuel cell plug-in hybrid, for example,

09:52 where you get 100 k's range from the battery and you've got the hydrogen fuel cell to extend your range further.

09:58 I'm really curious, Jade, we are nerds, Sean and I.

10:02 We love this tech.

10:04 You are less of a nerd.

10:05 Is there anything about hydrogen that scares you or worries you?

10:08 Look, I think it's definitely behind electric in the sense of its reach in Australia

10:15 and how many people actually know about it and know fundamentally how it works.

10:19 So I think with what Toyota and BMW are doing, it's in the right direction.

10:23 I'd love to see a lot more education around it and actually a lot more everyday people

10:27 or businesses who have large fleets actually kind of take it up.

10:31 Yeah, I think it's exciting.

10:33 I just really hope the government can get behind it.

10:36 Other question for you is, I think of hydrogen and I just think of Hindenburg explosion and really high pressure.

10:41 I thought we weren't going to mention that, Scott.

10:43 Yes, there's a hydrogen PR first.

10:47 Is that something that ever crossed your mind when we started talking about hydrogen?

10:50 And does the idea of filling up at really high pressure worry you or is that just an us thing?

10:55 Look, I think, again, I'm not too all over that hydrogen PR disaster.

11:01 It was a while ago, to be fair.

11:03 It was in black and white.

11:05 I have the blessing of ignorance.

11:07 I think if it's done right, I think there does need to be some sort of training around it

11:12 and needs to be used in controlled situations at first.

11:15 I don't think you can bring a whole lot of hydrogen cars here and expect the public just to completely adopt them.

11:20 So that would probably be my only concern.

11:22 I know more about electric cars and I know more about the safety concerns around those as well.

11:28 So I think they're equally hand in hand, have just as many concerns than the other.

11:33 I suppose I'm curious for both of you here.

11:36 Theoretically, hydrogen cars would be a cleaner carbon car overall from the building of the car to the fuel.

11:44 Theoretically, because you don't have to mine all the precious metals that you do for a battery.

11:50 So I'm curious and I'll start with you Jade.

11:52 Would that affect your buying decision or do you not care?

11:56 It's not that I don't care because I don't care about the environment.

11:58 I think it's no because I've got places to be and people to see and that's what it comes down to.

12:05 I think a lot of people when they look at what they can get for their money, how convenient it's going to be in their everyday life.

12:11 Those factors will probably play a more important role than the environmental factors that come into it.

12:17 I mean people are still buying V8s, people are still buying and importing massive American utes that have a lot of tailpipe emissions.

12:26 That's a hybrid one to be fair.

12:28 So yeah, to answer your question, I don't think people will have too much of a concern around the environmental factors.

12:36 And that's mostly because a lot of people don't actually know what it means.

12:38 So you care more about your individual footprint that you're creating whilst using the car rather than what may or may not have happened to make the car to get to you?

12:49 Yeah, I think the short answer is yeah.

12:51 What about you Scott?

12:52 I think convenience is king and it always will be.

12:54 Ultimately, the reason people buy cars, although there are people out there who buy big electric cars to make a statement,

13:00 they buy them because they take them from home to work and to school and on holidays and all those things.

13:06 And that's why we love cars as well, right?

13:08 They're freedom in your pocket in the form of keys.

13:12 So as much as I love the idea of the hydrogen footprint being cleaner potentially,

13:17 and again it depends on how you source the hydrogen, how the power is being sourced to build the car and to charge it and all that sort of thing.

13:23 Ultimately, I'm with Jade, if an electric car better suits my needs,

13:28 or there's an option to have an electric car and then a fun petrol weekend car,

13:32 I think that fills my needs in the same way that maybe a hydrogen car would and based on current pricing, it'll do it for less.

13:38 So I guess the future is murky in terms of the fuel we might use because Porsche are working on an e-fuel to keep their old 911s running.

13:49 It's really, really cool tech.

13:51 They take hydrogen, they capture carbon from the atmosphere, they use renewable energy to power the process

13:57 and they come out with this petrol that can run in current petrol engines and actually has fewer bad byproducts than organic petrol.

14:05 It's a really interesting idea and although it might be expensive,

14:09 it might be what lets us enjoy fun petrol cars for a long time into the future.

14:13 So you're saying that our 930 turbo on the wall could still keep working for the next 100 years?

14:17 We're not going to make a widow of the widow maker.

14:19 Well, that is some good news because I'd like to keep my XRA running for a few more years.

14:23 I want a 911 GT3. That's for me.

14:26 Please like and subscribe so one day Scott can afford a 911 GT3.

14:31 And if it goes really well, you might get the RS. You never know.

14:33 I want a manual. Besides the point. We're getting sidetracked.

14:36 So there's a lot of this tech going on. It does make a lot of sense for an industry standpoint, as you said.

14:42 I think there's also no reason why we can't have both because we have petrol and we have diesel

14:46 and there was a while there where we had leaded fuel as well. We've moved on from that.

14:50 Yes. But speaking of moving on, we should keep this ball rolling.

14:53 Leave us a comment. Let us know. Would you prefer a battery electric vehicle,

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15:13 We do. We do have a solution. And it's really simple. You head to Google and type in Help Me Car Expert.

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15:28 and you don't get stiffed at the end of the whole road there, which is, I guess, one of the things that can happen quite easily.

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15:36 So head to Google, type in Help Me Car Expert. And if you do buy a car through Help Me Car Expert,

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15:44 All right, Jade, it's time. We're doing it. The other day we went out and we, well, Scott,

15:52 I sat in the back seat, it was not much help. But Scott decided to teach you how to drive manual.

15:58 Don't give away too much because everyone's going to get to see how it went.

16:01 But you were nervous going into it?

16:04 Yeah, mostly because of it had been a little while since I had done it. And when I say done it,

16:13 it was in a car park in a 2004 Hilux. So it's very different to what I'm going to be driving when I'm learning manual.

16:23 And look, I think the first bit went well. I'm just frustrated at how the second bit went.

16:29 Well, don't give away too much.

16:31 But yeah, I'm optimistic.

16:33 Yeah. All right. Well, here it is. This is how Jade went learning to drive a manual car.

16:38 Jade, time for you to learn how to drive a manual car. Are you excited?

16:43 I'm worried for you. You left your safety kit at home.

16:46 No one has ever been hurt wearing a high-vis vest.

16:49 I can't argue with that fact.

16:51 I'm going to clip my helmet up as well.

16:53 I shouldn't have. OK, well, I've got your seat so far back that that should keep me safe.

16:58 You ready, Jade?

16:59 Yes.

17:00 All right, Scott, take the lesson away.

17:02 Let's start the car clutch and brake.

17:04 And we're on.

17:07 Good start.

17:08 Do me a favour and turn off start/stop using the button to the right of the steering wheel.

17:11 Yeah.

17:12 I'm going to mute the radio as well.

17:14 Perfect. OK, so take the park brake off.

17:17 Now, remember when you're changing gears, the clutch is on the floor, which it is at the moment.

17:23 All right, first gear.

17:25 Now we're on a flat surface. You can let go of that.

17:27 We're on a flat surface here, so you should be able to step off the brake and the car won't roll.

17:32 So to start with, no accelerator and just bear in mind that that wall's in front of us there,

17:37 so you're going to need to steer a little bit and just really slowly come off the clutch

17:40 until you feel the car start to sort of groan a little bit.

17:43 Awesome. All right, that's your take up point.

17:45 So just hold it there for the second.

17:47 Yeah, really good.

17:48 And now off the clutch completely.

17:50 Off it all the way. Awesome.

17:52 Wow, that's how good is this?

17:54 That's awesome. Well done.

17:56 I'm so scared.

18:00 Well, we've done well. We've got first gear down.

18:03 All right, so we're going to try for second.

18:04 Once we've gone around this corner, maybe. Keep it in first for the moment.

18:07 Hug the apex.

18:08 Slow in, fast out.

18:10 There you go.

18:11 Awesome. So when you're changing gears, it's clutch to the floor, off the accelerator,

18:15 and then you want to gently feed. So clutch to the floor, second gear.

18:19 Awesome. Now gently off the clutch through that point and feed the accelerator back in.

18:24 Ooh, that's okay.

18:26 So the reason that happened is you just came a little bit too quickly off the clutch.

18:29 Yeah, I did kind of feel that clunky.

18:31 So you just want to go slowly through it, and it's easy when you've got more speed as well.

18:34 That's really good.

18:35 What did we wreck? Time to hit the open road?

18:36 I think it's time to hit the road, Russell Quaid.

18:38 So, yeah, leave it in second, and it'll go almost all the way down to standstill,

18:43 and you can either accelerate away, or if there is something coming,

18:45 just clutch in and stop, and you put it back in first and start again.

18:48 It is worth mentioning, with a manual, one of the good things you can do is actually use the gears to brake.

18:52 You don't need to use the brake every time you come up to something like this.

18:55 We just haven't gone fast enough yet, so that's a bit of a problem.

18:58 So, Jade, it is worth keeping in mind that as you pick up speed,

19:00 if you're slowing down for a speed bump, you can just come off the throttle,

19:03 and the engine braking will do a lot of the work for you.

19:05 And so, again, you can see third gear happily goes down to low speed.

19:09 Now, coming up to here, what do you need to do?

19:11 Put the clutch in.

19:12 Yep.

19:13 And brake.

19:14 Clutch in.

19:15 All right, so with the clutch in, you don't need to worry about the gears.

19:18 Just leave the clutch in, roll to a stop with the brake, put the car in neutral.

19:22 There's no rush. There's nothing behind us.

19:24 Nice and easy.

19:26 That's so good.

19:28 Well done.

19:29 And I'll just indicate right up here, and we'll just do a U-ey,

19:31 rather than end up on the main freeway.

19:33 Nice and easy. There's no rush. Nothing behind us.

19:35 Oh!

19:36 All right.

19:37 There's our clutch and brake to start the car again.

19:40 I didn't like this green anyway. We'll wait for the next one.

19:42 That's the best.

19:44 Hey, we made it a long way.

19:46 We made it a long way.

19:47 That's pretty solid effort there, Jade.

19:49 Okay, so what I did that time was what?

19:52 So you came off the clutch a little bit too quickly.

19:54 If you want to come off it quickly, that's fine, but you need more accelerator.

19:57 Oh, okay.

19:58 Or you've got to be really slow.

19:59 To match it.

20:00 Yeah, exactly.

20:01 I think we're going to get the green.

20:02 Oh, we should be good here. All right.

20:03 No rush. Nice and slow off the clutch.

20:05 Just take it nice and easy.

20:07 Give it a bit of gas.

20:08 I did it again.

20:10 You're moving forward.

20:11 All you need to think about is just getting the car.

20:12 Here we go.

20:13 First gear.

20:14 Slow, slow, slow, slow, slow, slow, slow.

20:15 Yeah.

20:16 Nice.

20:17 There you go.

20:18 There we go.

20:19 Oh, we're going down a dead end straight.

20:21 I thought you were going to do a U-turn.

20:22 That's okay.

20:23 Okay, Jade, clutch in.

20:24 You're stopping.

20:25 Clutch in.

20:26 Clutch in.

20:27 Nice.

20:28 Okay.

20:29 So, first gear.

20:30 That's first.

20:31 All good.

20:32 Nice and slow.

20:33 He's got, he's miles away.

20:34 There's absolutely no-

20:35 He's laughing at me.

20:36 No, he's not.

20:37 He doesn't know.

20:38 You're not in gear.

20:39 You're not in gear.

20:40 So, first, no rush.

20:41 Just slow, slow, slow.

20:42 Awesome.

20:43 Well done.

20:44 I'd just like to point out, I think the helmet may have been overkill, but you kind of nailed

20:45 it, Jade.

20:46 Nice and done.

20:47 Well done.

20:48 Scott, I think we should get some lunch and leave Jade to practice her.

20:50 You have the keys to the automatic?

20:52 I do, yes.

20:53 Let's go, baby.

20:54 All right, I'm out of here.

20:55 Good luck, Jade.

20:56 Well, there you go.

20:57 Scott, you've recovered from that experience?

21:00 There wasn't that much to recover from.

21:02 I've taught a few people to drive manual.

21:03 You think nice?

21:04 No, I'm not.

21:05 Genuinely, you did a really, really good job.

21:06 I know that sounds patronizing, but I've taught a couple of people to drive manual, and that

21:10 was one of the smoother experiences I've had.

21:13 Well, I think the car that we drove was great.

21:15 Yeah.

21:16 So, it's been a little bit now since you learned to drive a manual, how you're feeling.

21:21 Are you getting a bit of a hang of it now?

21:23 Yeah, I think I still have that anxiety going on the road.

21:26 I think I would love to go on the road late at night when I can not be surrounded by a

21:32 lot of pedestrians walking and traffic moving and just kind of get into the rhythm of a

21:37 traffic light stop and all that type of stuff.

21:40 It's so much easier knowing how to drive a car and learning manual than I think learning

21:44 manual and learning how to drive a car at the same time.

21:47 So, I think it's definitely not a dead thing yet.

21:50 I've had a few people message me on Instagram when I posted about it, and they're like,

21:55 "Oh, well, I know how to drive.

21:57 Now I can just learn manual."

21:58 And I was like, "Yes."

21:59 Yes, you can.

22:00 I'm not starting a revolution, but yes, learn manual.

22:02 Well, this wasn't a sports car.

22:03 This was a Mazda SUV, right?

22:04 Which does have a lovely gear shift.

22:06 Oh, it was great.

22:07 I know that this is a nerdy thing to talk about.

22:10 But driving that car, it's got one of the slickest gear shifts in a normal passenger

22:15 car on the market.

22:16 It's just fun.

22:17 I took the keys for a night.

22:18 Jack's driven it for a night.

22:19 Anyone who drives it comes back and goes, "That is lovely."

22:22 There you go.

22:23 One thing I did want to point out on that car, and I think it's fairly common, is that

22:27 they essentially have an anti-stall system in them.

22:29 And I know you fell foul of it a couple of times when we were stuck at the lights there.

22:34 It would stall.

22:35 You'd throw the clutch back in, which would start the engine again, but you hadn't realized

22:38 it.

22:39 By that point, you'd press the start/stop button again.

22:40 It's actually an auto start/stop thing.

22:42 Yes, so it's restarted the engine, but Jade hadn't realized, so she's turned the car off.

22:46 I think it's a bit of a column A, bit of column B.

22:48 I think I pressed the engine on once, and that restarted the start/stop.

22:53 At which point it then got in the way.

22:55 Yes, that actually makes total sense.

22:57 Yes, one of those things.

22:59 The anti-stall is actually quite cool.

23:01 It's quite a neat little, I-stop or whatever they call it.

23:04 So what the car essentially does, and if anyone's driven a really old, not even a really old,

23:09 a recent manual car, a lot of them don't do this.

23:12 But as you start to come off the clutch, obviously the revs start to die.

23:15 And in a car that doesn't do this, you've got to be really slow on the clutch if you

23:18 don't want to use the accelerator, or it'll stall.

23:21 In this Mazda, and it was a system I think Ford potentially pioneered with the Focus RS.

23:25 It was one of the first cars to do this.

23:27 But as you come off the clutch, as the revs dip, the car just gives you a little bit more

23:31 to keep it above idle and stop it stalling, which if you're in traffic, you're not feeling

23:36 confident, and you want to go slowly on the clutch, makes it so much easier.

23:39 That's where I kept getting stuck, yes.

23:40 Because you kept leaving your foot on the brake.

23:42 Well, no, it was more just-- that also happened.

23:45 It was more just when I pulled my foot off the clutch in certain situations, I would

23:51 have to pull it all the way off before I pushed the accelerator, because I had enough revs.

23:55 I had enough power to give me that momentum.

23:58 But when I was at that traffic light, and I was stuck there for quite a significant

24:02 amount of time, I forgot that I had to give that extra push.

24:07 So yeah, I quite enjoyed that car.

24:09 I'm keen to go out and do it a little bit more when I go out by myself again.

24:15 Ah, you'll be fine.

24:16 I've got a driving test date booked in.

24:18 Lovely.

24:19 We're going to sort it out.

24:20 Excellent.

24:21 So I know a lot of people will comment and be like, oh, if you can't drive a manual,

24:23 then you shouldn't be driving a car.

24:24 But there are a lot of people that have never, ever driven a manual.

24:27 And I think, Jada, I'd love for you to go straight down the barrel there.

24:31 Any tips you have for someone the first time, if they've been driving a car but have never

24:35 driven a manual before, and they're going to have a crack, any tips?

24:38 Straight down the camera there.

24:39 Let them know.

24:40 Oh, this is really tricky.

24:41 One tip, I asked so many social platforms this question, and I kept getting different

24:45 tips.

24:46 One tip that I really enjoyed is wear flat shoes.

24:48 Like, right now, the shoes that I'm wearing, and I'll show you on this camera here, they

24:51 have a bit of a heel, not a lot.

24:53 But the shoes that I had were so flat that I could feel the clutch the whole way through,

24:58 and it just made it so much more easier.

25:00 Another thing that I personally recommend, don't overthink it.

25:03 I think I went in there, the first bit in the car park,

25:07 I kind of got my confidence up, and I was ready to go,

25:10 and then my ego really clopped a beating when I couldn't get started at that traffic light.

25:18 So I think just take it super easy.

25:20 Find roads or car parks that you're familiar with as well, and that are not too busy to

25:26 start with, and it's all about practice.

25:28 This is what it comes back to, right?

25:30 The worst thing, as long as you're in an environment with a bit of space,

25:33 the worst thing that's going to happen is you're going to stall the car.

25:35 And that was one of the first things we did.

25:37 I put Jade in the passenger seat and just stepped off the clutch and said,

25:39 "That's all that's going to happen."

25:41 There's nothing to be scared of, except for other cars, but that's a different story.

25:45 Look, this doesn't apply to people who've never driven a car,

25:47 but if you have been driving a car for a few years already and you go to learn manual,

25:50 just remember you already know how to drive a car.

25:52 That was the easiest part, was that I have in the back of my mind subconsciously

25:56 all the tools and all the skills that I need to drive the car.

26:00 It's just physically putting the clutch into consideration

26:03 when I'm doing everything else.

26:05 So, highly recommend.

26:06 If you're thinking about doing it, give it a crack.

26:09 Yeah.

26:10 And leave us a comment with your top tips for learning to drive a manual.

26:12 We'd love to know what you think.

26:14 All right, we'll move on.

26:15 Congratulations, Jade.

26:16 Thank you.

26:17 Haven't officially got my manual license yet.

26:20 Need some more tips.

26:21 We'll print one off for you after this.

26:23 We do have a question from YouTube.

26:25 A Mode8761 wrote in and said, "How many kilometers do run flats last?

26:30 E.g., if you're driving from Sydney to Melbourne and you get a puncture

26:32 and no tire shops are open, do you call roadside or do you keep driving?"

26:36 I have a really dumb thing to say.

26:38 Go on.

26:39 When I was about 12 and I would never forget this,

26:41 and every time someone brings this question up I remember,

26:44 I thought the speed limits when it says 80 kilometers on the wheel,

26:48 I thought that was as far as you can drive.

26:50 Oh, right.

26:51 The road ends in 80 kilometers.

26:52 No, that's as far as the tire will go.

26:54 After 80 kilometers, it's not…

26:56 Oh, on a spare wheel you mean?

26:57 Yes.

26:58 Oh, okay.

26:59 In this case, you are absolutely bang on

27:01 because a lot of the literature around run flats,

27:03 depending on how flat they're running,

27:05 obviously if the thing's running on the rim, you can't drive anywhere.

27:08 But if it's a slow leak or something like that,

27:11 about 80 kilometers at 80 kilometers an hour

27:13 is what some of the manufacturers say you can do.

27:15 Although, again, if the car starts making horrible metal noises,

27:19 stop, call roadside, get help.

27:22 I think it's a very straightforward answer.

27:24 I think the thing is if you're planning on doing a long trip

27:27 and you have a car with run flat tires,

27:29 go to Bob Jane and just get a spare wheel.

27:32 It's very much worth having just the spare in the boot

27:35 or at least a puncture repair kit.

27:37 Yes, most new cars, if they don't have a space saver or a spare,

27:40 they will have a puncture repair kit.

27:43 Having tried to use one of those though.

27:45 That was going to be my next thing.

27:46 Learn how to use it.

27:47 Learn how to use it before you go on a long trip

27:49 because you don't want to be struggling with that for hours.

27:52 I think if you're going off the beaten track,

27:54 if you're going off the Hume or the Pacific Highway

27:56 or the other routes, just get a spare wheel

27:58 because you never know what you're going to run into,

28:00 where it's going to happen

28:01 or how far away the closest tire shop is.

28:03 I think that's it.

28:04 But in answer to your question, 80 for 80 is the general rule.

28:07 Or 50 for 50 if you're in America.

28:09 Just to make that one clear.

28:10 All right, guys, we're nearly at the end of this.

28:12 We'll move on to our picks of the week.

28:14 Jade, you've got a timely one, I think.

28:18 Yes.

28:19 Very good.

28:20 Very well played.

28:21 I didn't get it for a second, then I did.

28:23 It took me a while.

28:25 It took time.

28:26 This happened about a week ago now.

28:29 So Carlos Sainz.

28:31 Sainz?

28:32 Sainz.

28:33 I want to make sure I got that right.

28:35 Carlos.

28:36 Carlos, easy, smooth operator.

28:37 Yes, so according to 7 News, I was reading the article about it.

28:40 Three people tried to steal his $500,000 watch off his wrist.

28:46 That's why I haven't bought one.

28:47 Yes, that's why.

28:48 Yes, exactly.

28:49 Now, according to the news article,

28:52 reportedly Sainz first got Sainz, Sainz, Sainz.

28:56 I need to get this right.

28:58 First got in his car and then ditched the car

29:01 and then ran on foot after this guy.

29:03 Following the typical Ferrari strategy.

29:05 Yes.

29:06 So, yes, it was a really interesting story.

29:09 I think because we've spoken about it in the office a few times,

29:13 the drive to survive success and obviously all these people.

29:16 It's really scary now, I think, for Formula One drivers.

29:19 And that was something that kind of brings me back down to earth

29:23 a little bit.

29:24 And that's also the dumbest thief in the world

29:26 because to put this into context, this was on the Sunday

29:30 after Carlos had placed third on the podium in Italy for Ferrari.

29:34 And then he's still in Italy

29:36 and someone tried to mug the Ferrari driver.

29:38 You've got to be the dumbest thief on the planet.

29:40 And the watches, the Richard Mille watches that they wear,

29:43 some of them are one of one, but they're all incredibly limited.

29:46 So if it pops up on eBay...

29:47 Oh, yeah, you're going to know.

29:48 You're not going to look and go,

29:49 "Oh, someone's bought Carlos Sainz's watch.

29:51 "Obviously it's been stolen."

29:52 Yes.

29:53 So if you are a would-be watch thief, pick not a Formula One driver.

29:56 Just don't... Pick a new career.

29:59 Don't go stealing watches.

30:00 Plot twist, it was actually Mattia Bonotto

30:02 because he's out of a job at the moment.

30:04 He's Ferrari severance, yes.

30:06 Scott, what's your pick of the week?

30:07 I've also gone Ferrari, but I've gone old school.

30:10 A video came up on Instagram recently

30:12 of an Enzo being absolutely thrashed around a Croatian racetrack.

30:15 I don't know who it is driving, but they are a very good driver.

30:18 A very good driver.

30:19 At one point, this Enzo is fully sideways in fourth gear

30:21 and he has the foresight to take his hand off the wheel

30:24 and put the number four up to show his passenger how fast they're going.

30:27 It is so impressive.

30:29 Very cool.

30:30 Well, my pick of the week is, if you haven't seen it already,

30:32 Supercheap Auto released their new best-performing alls

30:36 under the one roof.

30:37 Very, very cool.

30:38 It has some of Australia's top motor racing people in it

30:41 and they're drifting through a caravan park in Queensland somewhere

30:44 but they're all dressed up in old people's gear

30:47 as if they're all retirees.

30:49 Like grey nomads.

30:50 Grey nomads.

30:51 Very, very cool.

30:52 Really good stunts.

30:53 Really cool to see these people.

30:55 So definitely check that one out on, I think it's on YouTube

30:58 and also Supercheap Auto social.

31:00 So well worth a watch and some very cool car stunts in it.

31:03 But I think that pretty much brings us to the end this week, guys.

31:05 Got any final thoughts before we wrap it up?

31:07 If your Carlos signs his watch, Dave, please reach out to us.

31:10 Explain to us what you were doing.

31:11 That's what I want to know.

31:12 Yes.

31:13 Write to us at imawatchday@carexpert.com.

31:16 Yes.

31:17 All right, guys.

31:18 It's been a lot of fun this week.

31:20 Next week, Jade, you're not going to be here

31:22 so we are going to have a special guest on the podcast

31:24 so make sure you tune in for that one.

31:26 If you haven't already, subscribe, give us a like, leave us a comment.

31:30 Let us know what you think.

31:31 If you have any questions, write to us, podcast@carexpert.com.au.

31:34 We'd love to know any feedback you have or any questions you have

31:37 because we like to answer them on the podcast.

31:38 Absolutely.

31:39 Guys, thanks for joining us

31:40 and thank all of you for joining us and tuning in.

31:42 Thank you for coming along with my manual journey.

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