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00:00 And so I think they're going to get off to a slow start.
00:02 They might wake up at some point.
00:03 That's why it's important for them to get off to a good start.
00:06 But I like the spot after the Eagles, before the Chiefs.
00:10 It's a perfect spot for the Patriots.
00:11 I do think they have a chance at an upset.
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00:21 He's Greg, I'm Nick.
00:22 Greg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick Cattle is with you this week, wrapping things up,
00:27 getting ready for the Dolphins and the Patriots on Sunday.
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00:36 Greg, just a couple of headlines today.
00:39 It's quieted down a little bit.
00:40 Funny how that happens after a Patriots win.
00:44 Things calm down a little.
00:46 But first, Jalen Rager this morning was assigned to the 53-man roster.
00:51 Your thoughts on Rager and also your thoughts on the fact that the Patriots now have eight
00:56 wide receivers on this roster.
00:59 You mean, wait, we're not firing everybody this week and already before the midpoint
01:04 of the season?
01:05 I mean, it's just, and I know, and I hear from people, I get emails, I get tweets from
01:09 people, like, for example, after what was their most recent defeat?
01:15 It wasn't the Saints, the Raiders game.
01:19 And some people are basically pronouncing time of death for the Patriots.
01:24 And I'm just like, I just want to see how the season plays out because that's how it's
01:29 judged and you never know in this game what can happen week to week.
01:34 And that's why I don't try to overreact.
01:36 I know fans have the, they're allowed to do that.
01:40 That's why they're fans, they're passionate.
01:43 I get it, but I just, I'm not in the same spot.
01:46 I don't have the luxury of that.
01:47 I have a team to cover and there's now, there were 11 games, now there's 10 games left in
01:53 the season and we'll see what happens.
01:55 So Jalen Rager, of course, former first round pick that they picked up off the scrap heap
02:03 from I think the Vikings released him, I think.
02:06 But anyways, what I've seen of him, his speed is real on film.
02:11 It's good.
02:12 It seems like on film he reasonably knows where to go as far as his routes and things
02:17 like that.
02:18 He did have a nice in-cut in the last game against the Bills.
02:25 One of those sort of trust plays where the Bills are playing off and Mack knows three
02:30 step drop, boom, you need to believe that the wide receiver is going to be in the right
02:35 spot, and he was.
02:39 It's certainly interesting, Nick, that they have signed him to the roster.
02:44 There's been a lot of roster shenanigans going on.
02:46 The Patriots, by my count, now have eight wide receivers on the roster.
02:51 Parker, Bourne, Smith-Schuster, Douglas, Thornton, Booty, Rager, and Ty Montgomery, however you
03:00 want to put him.
03:02 It hasn't really come to fruition that he's the third down back that we thought he was
03:08 going to be or sort of Swiss Army knife like he was going to be when Matt Patricia was
03:12 here.
03:13 He seems mostly on special teams, but whatever.
03:17 Obviously, that's a lot.
03:21 That's too many wide receivers.
03:23 You have to think that there's a roster move coming.
03:27 I thought it might be Booty, and maybe he gets a case of the Foxboro flu.
03:33 He came up last week with an ankle injury, but I checked the injury report.
03:37 He's not on the injury report this week.
03:43 Look, he keeps getting passed on the depth chart by a variety of people.
03:48 I think it would be wise, if they can, to shut him down for the year.
03:53 We talked all along, and I think we're going to have a question about this later in our
03:57 mailbag, so we won't get into it too much now.
04:03 It was going to be tough for him to play a lot this year.
04:05 I think the other possible move, Juju Smith-Huster going on four game IR to heal everything that
04:14 ails him.
04:15 He had the concussion.
04:16 He's obviously dealt with the knee thing.
04:18 Considering where they are right now and coming off their best offensive game and look like
04:22 the pecking order, sort of Kendrick Bourne and then Demario Douglas, and then filling
04:28 in beyond that, I think they can afford, and it might be better for the team, just to put
04:33 Juju, let him get healthy.
04:37 If there are depth issues later on or they need him, it'd be nice to have a veteran receiver
04:41 more at 100% later on in the season.
04:45 I think that's a legit possibility.
04:50 I mean, certainly, there has to be an injury concern.
04:55 Somebody has to be going on IR for them to make this move.
04:57 Well, you know what the saying is, Greg, "Quantity, not quality."
05:01 That's what they got at wide receiver right now.
05:05 I'm interested to see the wide receiver mix of snaps this week.
05:09 Last week, we had Kendrick Bourne with the most snaps, thank God.
05:12 Finally, somebody that can give you some yak, give you some electricity when they catch
05:16 the football, somebody that Mack trusts.
05:19 He was number one in snaps at that position.
05:21 Douglas was number two.
05:23 Devontae took a slide back.
05:24 Rager took a step up.
05:25 Does Rager get even more snaps and Devontae gets less?
05:29 Tyquan Thornton, is he out?
05:31 I would imagine he's going to be inactive with his big fat three snaps last week.
05:35 You mentioned it on the pod earlier this week, one of those snaps he ran the wrong route.
05:40 And Juju, Juju's out there on the practice field for the second straight week.
05:44 Are they going to play him?
05:46 As you mentioned, could they actually put him on IR?
05:49 Could they stash him away for a few weeks?
05:52 If he does play on Sunday, is he taking snaps from who?
05:56 How many snaps does he play?
05:59 That whole kind of juggling game at wide receiver fascinates me.
06:02 Yeah, you know, absolutely, Nick.
06:05 You're totally right to point that out.
06:06 And it's just, you know, it's interesting.
06:08 Like I think, you know, I have a lot of patience with Tyquan.
06:13 I know there's a lot of fans that that aren't that don't have that considering his draft
06:17 status and and, you know, speed and upside and things like that.
06:22 They think they want to label him a bust already.
06:25 He has had a rough go of it as a youngster as far as his health has not been optimal.
06:30 He has not been on the field enough.
06:32 But, you know, look, I know internally one of the big sort of complaints about the personnel
06:39 and their lack of ability to do certain things in the early part of the season was centering
06:46 around they had no vertical option in this game and you in this team and you you need
06:52 to have that.
06:53 You need to have that at least threat where, you know, at least one safety is like, all
06:57 right, I got to stay over the top of this guy.
06:59 And that that creates space underneath of your, you know, building levels into your
07:05 your passing attack, which the Patriots like to do, which, you know, all good offenses
07:09 like to do.
07:10 And they've just lacked that.
07:11 And so, you know, I still have a lot of hope for Tyquan.
07:15 I think he's bright.
07:16 His speed is absolutely real on film.
07:20 It is legit.
07:22 And you know, I think between him and Ragoor, somebody has to present the vertical element
07:28 in this passing game.
07:29 I would I would continue on with Tyquan at least until he gets hurt again.
07:34 But then maybe that's just me.
07:36 Yeah, I'm not writing him off by any means.
07:39 People want to write off these young guys immediately.
07:41 It's silly.
07:42 And especially given the injury situation now, the injury situation is real as well
07:47 as his speed.
07:48 Can he stay healthy?
07:49 As you just mentioned, that's that's a huge question.
07:52 I just wonder if they trust him at all.
07:53 You know, does Mac trust him at all?
07:55 When he's gotten out there, he really hasn't proven that he knows what he's doing consistently.
08:00 So we'll see how all that comes together.
08:02 Last headline for you quickly here.
08:03 Malik Cunningham was released.
08:05 Then they get him back on the practice squad.
08:07 I don't know about you, Greg, but it is borderline amazing to me that the guy that was QB to
08:15 a couple of weeks ago in Vegas, you're a Mac Jones injury away from Malik Cunningham being
08:19 your quarterback the rest of that game.
08:22 And then within two weeks, that same guy is getting released.
08:25 This this QB to tap dance is insane to me.
08:29 Is it insane to you?
08:31 Yeah, it's it's absolutely ridiculous.
08:34 But you know, it just it just goes along with all the you know, and I guess we have no other
08:40 choice but to, you know, pin this on Bill Belichick.
08:44 But you know, this just goes along with like they he just has zero feel for offense.
08:49 He offensive personnel.
08:51 He really does.
08:52 He has no feel for it.
08:53 I mean, you know, look back on the like the little Jordan Humphrey stuff, you know, from
08:57 last year where the guys like playing a buttload of snaps early on in the season when they
09:02 can't generate any offense, including against the Ravens, where, you know, they were going
09:06 to need to score in the 30.
09:08 And then, you know, a couple of weeks later, he's he's released.
09:11 And, you know, I I'm sure it will be explained away and has been in in different circles,
09:20 you know, around the beat that like, oh, you know, there were a lot of injury issues and
09:24 they had to do this and they had to do that.
09:26 I mean, you know, that's the sort of minutiae, the margins that Bill Belichick gets lost
09:33 in and they lose sight of the big picture oftentimes on offense.
09:37 And, you know, that Malik Cunningham was one heartbeat away from playing quarterback.
09:42 I mean, just Nick, just think of it this way.
09:44 And everybody knows I did my rant on this, you know, when it happened.
09:47 But, you know, just think about this now that like say say they, you know, say Matt Jones
09:54 got hurt in that game, the Raiders game, and Malik Cunningham had to go in and they didn't
09:59 do anything and they had a chance to win that game.
10:00 And then they go, you know, they beat the Bills the next week.
10:03 I mean, you know, Bill Belichick willingly left a possible win on the table with what
10:09 he did at the quarterback position.
10:10 Now, you know, Malik, you know, if if this this is the second time Malik Cunningham has
10:17 been released and available to the league and nobody has picked him up.
10:21 So please stop telling me about Malik Cunningham.
10:25 And you know, he should play quarterback and he's a weapon.
10:27 He should do this and that.
10:29 Like nobody in the league believes that.
10:32 You know, he's a developmental player.
10:33 That's what he is.
10:34 I don't understand the need to.
10:36 They should have kept him on the practice squad.
10:37 They should have elevated him again for that game, for whatever package that they were
10:42 going to do.
10:43 And then and then put him back on the practice squad.
10:46 You know, this dance is just silly.
10:48 But you know, the bottom line is this.
10:50 Malik Cunningham is a talented kid, but he's very much a developmental kid.
10:54 He belongs on the practice squad.
10:56 Just leave him be.
10:58 Let's see where he is next year in camp and then we can go from there.
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11:36 All right, so Greg jumped on X today and asked for your mailbag questions.
11:45 If you don't follow Greg, which I find hard to believe, but if you don't follow him, it's
11:49 at Greg A. Bedard.
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11:54 Let's get to some of these questions.
11:56 Matt Ryan first on the docket here today.
11:59 Greg, not going to make this too complex.
12:03 So what happened to the booty hype?
12:06 Should have never bought into it.
12:08 As we told you here on the podcast, during everything, he got off to a slow start.
12:13 Look, he was a late round pick.
12:17 No question about his, you know, he has a pretty good ceiling as a prospect and has.
12:23 Look at what he did his freshman year at LSU.
12:26 But after that, he's had a lot of injury issues.
12:28 He's had off-field issues.
12:29 There are a lot of teams that wouldn't even entertain drafting this guy because of some
12:33 of his off-field issues.
12:34 Now, as we've said before, everything that I've heard from the building, like they've
12:39 really liked him in the building.
12:40 He has been a professional and all that stuff.
12:42 We don't know.
12:43 Well, that was a while ago.
12:44 I don't know if that has continued.
12:48 Him not having much of a role on this team when he could have, you know, is he still
12:54 doing the right things behind the scenes?
12:56 You know, I don't know.
12:58 But I think, you know, the booty hype was typical training camp, rookie, wide receiver.
13:03 We never have any wide receivers hype.
13:05 Like, look, I was guilty of it when I was growing up a Dolphins fan, like, you know,
13:09 especially at the running back position.
13:11 Like I used to go nuts because they never had a running game.
13:14 And then they'd bring somebody in, whether it was like Sammy Smith I got a little excited
13:18 for or remember, you know, Cecil Collins.
13:22 Cecil Collins, man, I was so excited.
13:24 I went out to training camp practice or mini camp practice.
13:26 And like, I was like, he's going to be the answer.
13:28 He's going to give Dan Marino finally a rushing game.
13:31 And so, you know, I understand.
13:33 I understand it.
13:35 But you know, you just got to, especially with these younger guys, I mean, look, they
13:39 popped on pop as a six round pick.
13:42 Don't get greedy.
13:43 You know, if if, you know, booty can be a long term developmental guy, maybe he can
13:48 get his legs back to where he was as a freshman being in a professional program and being
13:54 a professional wide receiver now, then, you know, maybe it pays off a year from now.
13:58 But, you know, to think that two six round wide receivers were going to come in and make
14:02 an impact in your offense, it's just it just doesn't happen that way.
14:06 So, you know, pop is the guy he is legit.
14:09 They hit on that great pick, you know, awesome job by the scouting staff, you know, but,
14:16 you know, booty just, you know, like Malik Cunningham, like just just let it play out.
14:22 Let him be a young player in his career.
14:23 Let him develop.
14:25 And you know, they have they have plenty of other options.
14:29 Some I don't love like Parker and Juju, but this is the bed they made for themselves.
14:33 Yeah, I still would have given booty a shot over Parker, especially coming off of that
14:38 Raiders game.
14:39 But it feels like since they didn't do that and I know he popped up last week, I think
14:43 it was a hammy.
14:44 I know you said ankle hammy ankle, whatever it was.
14:47 So maybe that's why he didn't get a chance.
14:49 But it certainly seems like Rager has surpassed him.
14:52 They want something out of Thornton, obviously, after investing that second round pick, I
14:56 would have given him a shot over Parker, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen.
14:59 All right.
15:00 Next question.
15:01 Eric Larrabee contractually.
15:02 How does the team get out from under the Juju and Parker contracts, Greg?
15:07 So I am just looking those up right now at over the cap dot com and you yourself can
15:12 do that over the cap dot com.
15:14 Great place.
15:15 Almost all of their stuff is is free on there.
15:19 So Juju Smith Schuster has 16 million dollars guaranteed.
15:24 By the way, his over the cap valuation right now is one point six five million dollars.
15:31 So let's say let's say they wanted to say they want if they cut him before June 1st
15:43 or trade him or what?
15:44 Let's see if trades and trades different.
15:48 They can they can trade him.
15:49 And basically the dead money is sort of the same.
15:53 It offsets.
15:54 They would save money if they trade him.
15:56 If they cut him.
15:58 Before June 1st, it would be it would be nine point six million in dead cap.
16:06 Basically they would save like a million dollars.
16:08 That's that's it.
16:11 And you know, so it's really Juju is really a two year deal.
16:15 You can you can get out any time you want to.
16:18 This is also one of my complaints when, you know, they were one in five and everybody's
16:22 talking about the future.
16:23 And I was thinking about doing a column about like, all right, well, you know, what steps
16:26 would I take as far as the Patriots in the future?
16:30 And one of the one of the primary things I would do, Nick, is.
16:35 And I don't know if this is just Bell Tech refusing to do it or them not having the personnel
16:39 in the house.
16:40 But one if I was general manager of the team, one of the first things I would do is find
16:45 the smartest cap person in the league.
16:48 And I would start doing some modern day cap gymnastics that the Patriots absolutely refuse
16:54 to do.
16:55 Everybody else is doing it.
16:57 The best teams in the league are doing it.
16:59 To me, the Patriots are leaving a lot on the field that they did, that they aren't, you
17:03 know, adding more in future years with all their cap space, with all the TV revenue that's
17:08 coming in.
17:09 You know, look, we don't know if it's sustainable.
17:11 One of the reasons why the Patriots were so good for so long is because they did have
17:15 cap discipline.
17:16 To me, that's when the cap was tighter.
17:19 I think the rules have changed.
17:20 The rules of engagement have changed on cap management.
17:22 I don't think the Patriots have kept up with the times.
17:25 It's another another way that I think they've fallen behind the rest of the league.
17:31 You know, so Juju, you know, you can get out any time on Juju after the season.
17:37 It wouldn't be a huge issue, especially with the amount of cap space that they have.
17:43 Devontae Parker, if they cut him, it would be six point three million in dead cap.
17:49 They wouldn't save a lot if they traded him.
17:53 It's a tradable contract.
17:54 They would probably they would basically save three point four million if they traded him.
18:00 By the way, his OTC valuation right now is five million dollars.
18:05 What?
18:06 How does that happen?
18:07 But anyway, yeah, I don't understand that.
18:10 But yeah, so look, none of those contracts are albatrosses or anything like that.
18:15 They can do anything they want.
18:16 And but Devontae is definitely, I would say, easier to get out of.
18:20 Yeah, I agree with that.
18:23 All right.
18:24 Larry Speedstick, Belichick, Kraft, Matt Jones, kill one, Greg, marry one and sleep with one.
18:31 Who you got?
18:33 Well, let's see.
18:35 It's just tough.
18:38 Yeah.
18:39 Well, I'm definitely I'm definitely marrying Kraft.
18:43 I mean, he's got the deeper pockets.
18:45 He's the billionaire.
18:46 You get the money.
18:47 I was just thinking the same exact thing at the same exact time.
18:49 Yeah.
18:50 And I'm definitely marrying him because, you know, and he's getting older.
18:53 So, you know, the marriage wouldn't have to last all that long.
18:57 And then, you know, I'm inheriting places in Palm Beach and New York City and Brookline
19:02 and you know, all that stuff.
19:04 You know, all due respect, Robert.
19:05 I'm not you know, we're just having a little fun here.
19:10 You know, kill one, kill one or sleep with one.
19:17 You know, I guess I guess if I had to, quote unquote, kill one, I guess would be Belichick
19:22 because, you know, he's not getting any younger.
19:23 I don't think, you know, he's going to be around for very much longer.
19:29 And you know, and you can always find a replacement for him.
19:34 Sleep with one.
19:35 You know, I guess Max, the last one left.
19:38 I don't exactly know what that means, but I'm trying to have fun and play along.
19:46 So Greg would marry the 82 year old billionaire.
19:51 Then he would quickly move on to Mac and Greg would be the cougar in that relationship and
19:59 he would sleep with Mac and then he would then move on to Belichick and he would take
20:03 Belichick out and he would kill Belichick.
20:06 I actually marry.
20:08 Maybe I should marry and kill Robert Kraft.
20:10 You know, like one of those like movies, you know, like cyanide or something.
20:14 No, I can't do it.
20:16 Can't do it.
20:17 Won't do it.
20:18 You only got one one option for each person.
20:19 I actually agree with all of that.
20:21 Like Belichick's legacy.
20:22 It's solidified.
20:23 Let's get older.
20:24 Like, you know, he's done all that he could do or he's done most of what he could do with
20:28 with football and with his life.
20:30 So, you know, and Kraft, you talked about a deep pockets and Max got plenty of life
20:35 to live.
20:36 So there you have it.
20:37 Although you have to make sure that you cut the relationship off after that one shot with
20:41 Mac because, you know, you've got Kraft's money, Greg, and you don't want Mac chasing
20:46 Kraft's money that you got from Kraft, you know, eventually.
20:52 I think Mac would be a little needy and stuff.
20:56 He would get ready for dinner and Mac be yelling
21:04 at you across the kitchen.
21:05 Sit, Greg, sit like he was doing last week.
21:08 Sit.
21:09 All right.
21:10 Anyway, Troy Brown, is he getting a pass?
21:13 This is from Mike six.
21:14 Oh, three is Troy Brown getting a pass on the inconsistency with the Patriots wide receiver
21:18 core.
21:19 Not if you've listened to this podcast for the last two years.
21:22 I mean, I can't speak to what other people are writing and saying.
21:29 And I think I've mentioned this before.
21:31 I don't read and listen to a ton of other stuff during the season because I like to
21:36 keep my mind uncluttered and sort of have, form my own opinions.
21:41 I don't want to be unoriginal and unknowingly cribbed from somebody else.
21:47 And when I do hear things, you know, whether it's from like Chris Sims or Greg Cosell,
21:52 or you know, I did mention on Felger and Maz that I did think it was interesting about
21:57 Rick Spielman was on Tom Curran's podcast and they talked about his philosophy for building
22:05 around Kirk Cousins and when he was GM of the Vikings and you know, how he sees Mac
22:11 and Kirk kind of similar in that, you know, they're not the, they're not the, you know,
22:16 they're not the most dynamic athletes at the quarterback position.
22:20 And you know, Kirk Cousins likes to step up into passes into the pocket.
22:23 So it was a premium for him to build up the three interior offensive line positions.
22:29 It didn't, he admitted it didn't work what he tried to do.
22:32 But you know, but I thought that was interesting.
22:35 But you know, look, as far as Troy Brown, if you'd listened, if you've listened to
22:40 this podcast and my issues with the route running on this team, I've been very critical
22:45 of Troy the last two years.
22:48 And you know, I gave him somewhat of a pass Matt Patricia's year because you know, you
22:53 need a coordinator and offensive coordinator in the NFL should be able to coach the assistant
22:58 coaches.
22:59 And I don't, I don't think Troy was getting that at all last year.
23:03 And I think it showed and you know, Bill O'Brien has a lot of fires to put out and, and you
23:09 know, I think, you know, you can make the argument that it's getting better.
23:12 It was better this week.
23:14 I still had some issues with the routes, including Kendrick Bourne on the second play of the
23:18 game, running the wrong route and Matt getting mad about that.
23:21 And Pop Douglas ran a wrong route and you know, that stuff's going on.
23:26 But look, I think it's a legitimate question to, to ask, you know, is Troy Brown a good
23:32 wide receivers coach?
23:33 Is he good enough or could they do better?
23:35 You know, we'll like everything else, we'll let the season play out and, and, you know,
23:39 have more of an answer after it.
23:41 All right.
23:42 Michael Quirion has a question for you.
23:44 Trade deadline coming up soon.
23:45 Yes, it is.
23:46 It's on a hot, it's on Halloween.
23:48 So it's five days away.
23:50 We're creeping up on it.
23:52 Could you see the Patriots actually buying, trading for some additional help?
23:56 Greg on the O-line, he mentions Jerry Judy.
23:59 He mentions DeAndre Hopkins.
24:02 Broncos Titans seem to have a fire sale going on right now.
24:07 Could you, do you see the Patriots adding instead of maybe subtracting before the deadline
24:13 is up?
24:14 I, I do not.
24:17 Nothing major.
24:18 Is it on the offensive line?
24:20 I, I don't see it.
24:22 They put in enough it and, and look, I'm just putting myself in Bill Belichick's shoes and
24:26 sort of, you know, the way he thinks and the way I've observed him over the years, I think
24:31 at this point he's like, I put enough resources into the offensive line and, and, you know,
24:37 with, you know, they made those two late camp trades right before the season for two tackles.
24:43 Calvin Anderson is back on the list with an illness.
24:45 I don't know if this is still the thing that kept him out a while, but man, what a rough
24:49 go for this guy.
24:52 And he's, you know, even before that he was a healthy scratch behind a bunch of guys.
24:56 Tyrone Wheatley Jr. is on IR.
24:59 Vidarian Lowe is not good right now.
25:03 I do think he still has potential with the right, if, if he has a good offensive line
25:07 coach to develop him.
25:09 The skills are there.
25:10 The technique is not, it's not even close, but I think they've settled on you know, and
25:16 they should get Riley Reif hopefully back at some point.
25:18 I don't know how serious his injury is and I do think they liked him at guard, but you
25:24 know, you do worry a little bit about the tackle depth.
25:27 You know, Trent Brown got beat up last week.
25:32 Michael Wenu is dealing still, you know, with the ankle.
25:35 He's not a hundred percent.
25:37 I think they feel okay about City Sill at right guard.
25:41 You know, he's the weak link, but you can deal with one weak link on the offensive line.
25:45 They have Moffey behind him who's, you know, okay and developing.
25:49 There's also Jake Anders is out there.
25:51 You have James Ference on the practice squad.
25:53 I do worry a little bit about offensive tackle depth with what they're doing.
25:57 You know, Trent Brown and Michael Wenu, you know, you're one injury away from being back
26:01 into it, but are they really going to put more into it and get somebody decent?
26:05 I doubt it.
26:07 And as far as the other stuff, I mean, maybe I've never been a Jerry Judy guy.
26:11 I certainly didn't like his attitude with the Steve Smith stuff.
26:14 That's a bad sign to me where, you know, Smith was being critical of him and then Judy got
26:19 all sensitive about it.
26:20 Like, you know, be a pro.
26:23 Don't be a big baby.
26:25 Would love to have Dehop here.
26:27 I don't know if they're getting him in a trade.
26:32 He's been really good this year.
26:34 You know, as far as getting open and stuff like that, that offense stinks.
26:39 You know, and so I don't know.
26:41 I don't really see it.
26:42 I would be, I'm more interested in them being sellers.
26:46 I don't think it helped Josh Uche's cause here that he missed last week and the pass
26:50 for us was great and did a great job against Josh Allen.
26:53 Do you really need Josh Uche?
26:55 If you can get a third or a fourth for him, I would do it.
26:59 They'll probably hang on to Duggar, which unless they're going to franchise tag him
27:03 or give him a boatload of money, which I wouldn't do.
27:06 He was bad last week.
27:08 I would entertain trading him.
27:09 So, you know, I don't know.
27:11 I mean, Nick, what do you, I mean, do you think there's a trade that they could make
27:15 that's going to make them a lot better?
27:17 I do think they're competitive and I want to play out the season and I think they'll
27:20 be in it somewhat, but I don't know if there's really one trade that sort of puts them over
27:25 the top.
27:26 No, not really.
27:27 I mean, I, there are just so many questions, you know, at so many different spots.
27:33 There's a lot of holes in the boat that you're trying to plug as is.
27:36 And I just, I don't know if there's that one player, that one marquee name that you could
27:40 bring in.
27:42 I agree that the Hopkins thing could be interesting.
27:44 And I'm not the biggest guy on Judy.
27:46 I don't think you're going to give up what you would need to give up probably to bring
27:49 in Courtland Sutton.
27:50 He's another interesting name in Denver, but there's, there's not really a ton out there.
27:54 Like Derrick Henry is the name everybody's talking about.
27:56 You're not bringing in Derrick Henry.
27:58 So yeah, as, as far as the offensive line, I hope Trent Brown's out there on Sunday.
28:03 He's been their best offensive lineman this year.
28:06 That video from when he got hurt in the Buffalo game, I think it was Mike Reese who posted
28:11 that earlier this week.
28:12 And that video looked bad.
28:14 Like he went down awkwardly.
28:17 Somebody hit his leg awkwardly.
28:20 He did like a split that didn't look great.
28:23 Hopefully he's okay.
28:24 But if you end up with, if this, if this offensive line is healthy, relatively speaking, and
28:29 you end up with Brown, Strange, Andrews, Reef, and Owenu, I think you could do much worse
28:35 up front than that.
28:36 So we'll see if they can stay healthy.
28:37 All right.
28:38 Last question from the mailbag.
28:39 I know you have another one or two that you wanted to get to, but the last one I've got
28:42 on the list, this is from water boys.
28:45 If Belichick is back, will craft bring in someone to handle personnel?
28:50 Water boys throws a name out there, Jeff Ireland with the saints.
28:55 That's one of the big question out there, you know, water boys as far as after the season,
29:01 you know, a lot of this stuff.
29:02 And I get a lot of questions about like, who do you want to see as the next coach?
29:05 What do you think the Patriots to do?
29:07 I, I just, I can't get there yet.
29:09 Like let's, you know, if they're eliminated with like a month or, you know, whenever they're
29:14 eliminated, we'll start to talk about that stuff.
29:16 But you know, there's a season to be played and there's, you know, they can win this game
29:20 on Sunday and then they have a lot of winnable games.
29:24 You know, late, you know, after that and later on in the season and they'll have a bye week
29:28 to get healthy and things like that.
29:30 Like you know, I'm all about the season and you know, but as far like I do think the crafts
29:39 need to take a hard look at their personnel.
29:41 I mean, we've been over it.
29:42 Their offensive personnel is just not good enough and their approach to offense isn't
29:46 good enough and you know, how they are brought into the modern age.
29:52 You know, do they give, do they give somebody in personnel does macro work hand in hand
29:57 with Bill O'Brien?
29:58 You know, do they bring somebody else in?
30:00 I have a hard time seeing them bring somebody else in from outside the family on top of
30:06 Belichick to pick personnel.
30:07 I mean, I just don't think Belichick would stand for that and you know, maybe that's
30:10 one way to move on from him, but I, yeah, I, I don't, I don't see something like that
30:16 happening.
30:17 I mean, could they empower somebody more?
30:19 Yeah, but I still, this is all written into Belichick's contract.
30:23 It would, it would get really thorny.
30:25 Yeah.
30:26 And Ian Rappaport this week with Greg Hill, I think it was Greg Hill.
30:31 He mentioned that his reporting is that Bill does have final say.
30:36 He has not heard that anything was taken out of Bill's contract about that.
30:39 So because the Dale Arnold post from earlier, everybody was reporting stuff on Belichick's
30:44 contract.
30:45 Dale Arnold had posted that there was some responsibilities laid out and people started
30:49 to wonder if that meant that Bill no longer had final say or that he gave up some of the
30:54 power as GM that he once had.
30:57 Rappaport said that's not what he has heard and what he has, you know, reported.
31:01 So it seems like Bill still has final say.
31:05 I think as far as the bigger picture and the question of whether or not you keep Bill at
31:10 these positions, it's like, I have fallen into this trap as well saying, oh, if they
31:15 get the seven wins or eight wins, then Bill will stay as head coach, but the GM title
31:19 has to go.
31:20 I also think it depends on who you're beating, right?
31:23 Like if they finish with six or seven, if they finish with seven or eight wins, but
31:27 those wins, like if you look back and Buffalo was by far the best win of the season and
31:32 they lost to all the good teams they played, then really how much better did they get?
31:36 They just beat up and, you know, they just beat up fellow mediocre to bad teams.
31:41 If they stack up wins against the Giants and the Commanders and the Colts in Germany, and
31:46 you know, Zach Wilson still playing at the end of the year with the Jets and they beat
31:50 the Jets, you know, here at Gillette.
31:53 I mean, even seven, eight wins, I think you have to kind of evaluate all of it.
31:57 Who did they beat?
31:58 How did they look?
31:59 There's a lot of football left and you know, I said last week, my, my hope percentage about
32:04 this season before the Bill's game was at 2%.
32:08 I officially more than doubled my whole percentage.
32:10 It's now up to 5%.
32:11 Yeah.
32:12 Big movement, big movement in the whole percentage this week and we'll see how they do in Miami.
32:16 If that'll affect that number again.
32:18 So that's where I'm at.
32:19 All right.
32:20 You have a question or two, Greg, that you wanted to address from the people.
32:23 Yeah.
32:24 So, uh, Champ to Pug, as I said, PFF graded JC Jackson high.
32:30 How do you feel about his play?
32:33 If you've listened to this pod, you know how I feel about PFF.
32:35 Um, I take it with a grain of salt and you know, there's a lot of context that needs
32:40 to be put in to stats.
32:42 Like for example, I think I read somewhere that they had Siddy So as the highest rated
32:46 rookie guard this season with his performance against the Bills.
32:50 I mean, come on, give me a break.
32:52 The guy gave up like three quarterback pressures, three and a half run stuffs.
32:56 He was by far the worst on the offensive line.
32:59 Like get out of here with that nonsense.
33:01 Um, you know, I, it wouldn't surprise me if JC Jackson graded high in, in this game.
33:08 Um, you know, I do think, well, I mean, first of all, he gave up the touchdown to, um, to
33:14 Stefan Diggs, you know, when he didn't tackle him, like, how can you be rated high when
33:18 you don't even tackle?
33:19 It's, you know, you're only going to touch the guy down.
33:22 Um, you know, so there's that, but, uh, look, there's gotta be context, you know, into things.
33:29 And when, you know, when the Patriots are getting pressure, pressure as much as they
33:35 did, um, you know, on Josh Allen, like there's, there's not a lot of time, um, you know, for
33:43 you to cover.
33:44 And they did a great job of that.
33:45 They got, they were able to get pressure before the Bills routes developed and, and Ken Dorsey
33:50 never adjusted.
33:51 He kept running the same sort of deep level routes where, you know, that was just, wasn't
33:58 a winning strategy against the way the Patriots were playing coverage.
34:01 Um, but in general about JC Jackson, I think he's, I think he's really good in man coverage.
34:07 He's still really good in man coverage.
34:09 He's, he's had some huge coverage mistakes.
34:12 Um, he's been playing man when everyone else has covered three and vice versa.
34:18 I didn't see, I didn't see that this week.
34:21 Um, you know, but, uh, he, he's, he's really good in man.
34:25 The more man that the Patriots are able to play and Jack with Jack Jones being back,
34:29 they're able to play a little bit more man.
34:32 Um, that allows JC Jackson to be at his best.
34:35 If he has to play a lot of zone and have different responsibilities, he can get into trouble.
34:40 Um, so far they haven't had to do that.
34:43 You know, we'll see how it goes, you know, this week against the dolphins.
34:46 Oh, and, uh, one more question.
34:48 And this is actually for me, uh, just because I think some people, if they were listening
34:53 to Felger and Maz yesterday, uh, might not have understood the context, but that you,
34:58 you basically, the question is, is it true?
35:01 You flipped off, uh, Felger and Maz producer, James Stewart after the show on Tuesday.
35:06 Um, it is true, but there's context.
35:11 So, uh, Jimmy came in hot.
35:13 Um, we were all sort of hot.
35:15 I had a feeling going into Tuesday's telecast that it was going to be one of those tractor
35:19 pull middle of the week things where we're all sort of on each other's nerves.
35:24 And I didn't like, you know, and I knew it from the day before where they were mocking
35:28 my column about Mac Jones, which I thought I was accurate.
35:31 I was given the kid as flowers for a great
35:33 virtual.
35:34 So, but yeah, exactly.
35:37 I had to turn it off.
35:38 I heard them doing it.
35:39 I heard the tone.
35:40 I had to turn it off because I knew it was going to make me mad.
35:43 And so I came in and I'd be like, all right, you know, you guys want to, you know, virtuoso
35:46 to my face and stuff like that.
35:48 And you know, Jimmy Stewart, anytime you, anytime you criticize the show, he gets his
35:53 backup pretty quickly.
35:54 Anytime you, anytime you criticize their content or their approach to something, he doesn't
35:59 like it.
36:00 Hey, I understand it.
36:01 I do the same stuff with my, my work and you know, my columns and things like that.
36:06 And but just for the record, they could criticize everybody in the job they do.
36:10 But if you criticize the job they do.
36:14 Little sensitive.
36:15 Yeah.
36:16 Yeah.
36:17 They're like, you know, the sensitive patriots and sensitive Bruins fans, you know, like
36:20 how about the dad now that, you know, that, that sort of thing, you know, but so as I,
36:28 when I leave the show, I always make it a point to go by Jimmy's window and sort of
36:32 giving him a salute, like, Hey, you know, thanks for the show.
36:35 And he does it back to me.
36:36 And so yesterday I did it to him, Tuesday, I did it to him, but I also tossed in a bird.
36:42 I was smiling, we were laughing and he gave me the double bird back and he was laughing
36:46 and smiling.
36:47 You know, we were just busting each other's chops.
36:50 You know, because sometimes we get on each other's nerves and that's fine.
36:53 That's what happens with these shows.
36:54 But you know, it was not in a mean spirit.
36:56 We were just joking around.
36:57 It was sort of locker room banter.
36:59 So I just wanted to make that clear.
37:00 Yeah.
37:01 And from what I know, Jimmy, he's a good dude.
37:04 All right.
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37:16 All right, Greg, before we get to picking this game, Tyreek Hill could be out reportedly
37:22 a hip issue did not practice yesterday.
37:25 And if you heard what to a tongue of Iowa had to say at the podium, what Jalen Waddle
37:30 had to say, it did not necessarily come across as he's going to play this weekend.
37:37 Could this be a legit injury?
37:39 Is there maybe some shenanigans?
37:40 What do you think's going on with Tyreek?
37:42 Yeah, I don't know, Nick.
37:44 I mean, you know, does anybody else find it funny that like, you know, he all of a sudden,
37:50 you know, has an injury issue and might miss a game the week before he's supposed to play
37:55 his former team?
37:56 I mean, you know, I don't know.
37:59 And maybe the Dolphins aren't all that worried about the Patriots.
38:02 Maybe they're just like, all right, well, we'll give him sort of a bye week.
38:05 You know, we need him against the Chiefs.
38:07 He's going to want to play against the Chiefs.
38:10 You know, that sort of thing.
38:12 But you know, I don't know, maybe I'm reading too much into it.
38:14 But that's that was my first thought.
38:18 Changes the landscape of the game if he's not out there.
38:20 I mean, yeah, you could argue you could argue that earlier in the season, you know, and
38:26 really not even early the entire season so far, you could argue that he should be in
38:30 the conversation of MVP.
38:31 He's been that good.
38:33 He has been that dynamic.
38:34 So if he's not out there, that would help the Patriots cause, of course, if he's not
38:40 out there in the Patriots end up winning, then how, you know, then we then we have to
38:44 deal with all the questions next week of, well, would they have beaten them with Tyreek
38:48 Hill and all that stuff?
38:49 So I don't know if I'd rather have Hill out there on Sunday playing against the Patriots
38:53 so we don't have to deal with that crap the next week or if I want them, you know, out.
38:58 So the Patriots have an even better chance of winning this game.
39:01 Speaking of their chance of winning this game, Greg, FanDuel line still Miami nine and a
39:06 half point favorites over under a forty five and a half.
39:10 How are you feeling?
39:12 So I was surprised.
39:14 I thought especially given the Tyreek Hill news, I thought that I thought the number
39:18 would be more around like seven or seven and a half.
39:20 And we did we saw the line drop against the Bills last week as we got up to game time.
39:27 I haven't watched a ton of Dolphins film.
39:29 I probably I watched like three quarters of the Eagles game and you know, but I did listen
39:33 to people like, you know, that I trust, like Chris Sims and Greg Cosell, you know, who
39:37 watch these guys, you know, week after week.
39:40 And especially Greg Cosell talked about like he could he he didn't think that the Dolphins
39:45 did very much motion with Tyreek Hill.
39:47 Like he couldn't think of one instance.
39:49 I did not see that on film.
39:52 And while they certainly had their issues against the Eagles, I didn't think the Dolphins
39:57 were all that bad in that game.
39:59 I mean, if Tyreek Hill catches that ball late in the third quarter, it's a tie game.
40:06 It's 17 17.
40:07 The Dolphins, their biggest issue was they had a ton of injury.
40:11 I mean, penalties in the game every time they did something, including I think, you know,
40:16 their opening drive.
40:17 They scored a touchdown to get called back by penalty.
40:20 You know, they had 10 penalties.
40:21 The Eagles had zero in the game.
40:25 You know, while the final score, you know, was rough and in the end of the game was rough
40:30 where I think they were just getting manhandled.
40:31 I think the Eagles finally wore on them because they're so big on both lines.
40:37 I didn't think that I didn't think that the Dolphins played all that poorly in that game.
40:43 You know, so I think their demise is somewhat exaggerated and, you know, their performance
40:49 against the Eagles, that loss, I think has been somewhat exaggerated.
40:54 You know, I do think that the Patriots the first time around had a decent plan against
40:59 the Dolphins.
41:00 I was definitely critical of it.
41:01 Too much three deep safety.
41:03 You know, they gave up a lot of stuff underneath and that ended up killing them in the game.
41:07 And yeah, I was more critical of, look, the team's built on defense and special teams
41:13 and you know the offense is going to be slow out the gate with a new coordinator and injury
41:18 issues in the offensive line.
41:19 And I'm sorry, the defense has to make plays and you have to be more aggressive.
41:23 If that means you might give up a big play, them's the brakes.
41:27 But this is the way you built the team and so I thought they were way too conservative.
41:31 Now contrast that and I just posted a column last night on BSJ about the defensive approach
41:36 against the Bills.
41:37 I thought it was awesome.
41:38 It was tremendous job by Steve Belichick and Gerard Mayo.
41:42 Certainly, you know, and I've been very critical of them against the Bills.
41:46 They took the fight to the Bills and it ended up winning them the game.
41:49 I mean, they blitzed like 50% of the time.
41:52 Half of those blitzes were heavy blitzes.
41:56 Six plus guys.
41:57 I mean, it was unbelievable and that determined the game.
42:04 Now I do think there's a lot of things that the Eagles do that the Patriots can replicate,
42:09 including how they're big up front, they're somewhat fast on the edges.
42:15 You got to contain, you got to condense.
42:18 I would look for the Patriots to put a premium on the edge with speed guys.
42:22 You got to try to keep those motions as much as possible inside.
42:26 You got to make it an offensive line game because their offensive line is not very good
42:30 at all.
42:32 And you got to play in front.
42:34 If you play from behind against that Dolphins team, it's over.
42:38 And so it's important for the Patriots to get off to a really good start just like they
42:42 did against the Bills.
42:44 But I do think they have a puncher's chance in this game.
42:47 I am definitely picking them to cover the point spread.
42:51 I think it will be more anywhere from three to seven points.
42:56 But I do like this spot for the Patriots.
43:00 I do think, yes, the Dolphins might be a little bit grumpy coming off the Eagles game, but
43:04 I think more importantly, that's a very big physical team that takes a lot out of you
43:09 when you're a finesse team like the Dolphins are.
43:12 And so I think they're going to get off to a slow start.
43:14 They might wake up at some point.
43:16 That's why it's important for them to get off to a good start.
43:19 But I like the spot after the Eagles, before the Chiefs.
43:23 It's a perfect spot for the Patriots.
43:24 I do think they have a chance as an upset, but I'll probably end up picking the Dolphins
43:29 by about three or four points in this game.
43:32 I like the point about the Eagles coming off the Eagles game.
43:34 They are a physical, tough team to play.
43:37 So Miami's got a ton of injuries.
43:40 The offensive line is all banged up by Isaiah Wynn on the IR.
43:44 Armstead is out.
43:46 Connor Williams has been banged up, although he's been on the practice field.
43:48 That's their starting center, if you're wondering.
43:51 Eikenberg has been replacing him lately, but it does look like he has a chance to play.
43:57 Williams has a chance to play, but that whole line is banged up and they're not very good
44:00 to begin with.
44:01 Defensive backs.
44:02 Jalen Ramsey is out there practicing.
44:04 Today, Fangio said that he's not sure if he's going to play on Sunday.
44:07 They're just trying to get him more involved.
44:09 We'll see if Ramsey is out there.
44:10 He was supposed to get out there by December, so this would be a very early return.
44:14 But Ramsey has been out there this week.
44:16 Holland, who's a tremendous safety, he's in concussion protocol.
44:20 He might be out.
44:21 Xavier Howard did not play last week due to a groin injury, so their defensive backs are
44:26 all sorts of banged up.
44:28 Tyreek Hill, we mentioned him.
44:29 Raheem Mostert wasn't out there on the practice field yesterday.
44:33 He's a little dinged up.
44:35 A-Chan, A-Chain, A-Chun, A-Chun, he's on the IR with an injury.
44:40 So this team is just ravaged right now with injuries.
44:44 Red Zone's going to be a big deal.
44:47 They're a really good Red Zone offense.
44:49 And if we remember back to the game earlier this year, the defense for the Patriots, the
44:54 plan, didn't have an issue with it.
44:56 Him laying back and not giving up big plays.
44:58 They did a great job on Tyreek Hill, even though Jonathan Jones was not playing in that
45:03 game.
45:04 The issue was in the first half, they gave up touchdowns and not field goals.
45:07 Their Red Zone defense broke.
45:10 They have to be better defensively inside the 20 when the Dolphins get into that red
45:14 area.
45:15 And I'm interested, Greg, I'm just fascinated to see the approach from the Patriots.
45:19 Will they build off of what we saw against the Bills?
45:21 Will we see that consistent motion from O'Brien?
45:24 Will Bourne and Douglas get most of the snaps at wide receiver?
45:27 Will we see some of those things, more play action from Mack and getting him into a rhythm?
45:33 Will we see more of that continue or is that going to be a one week thing?
45:37 Will Juju come back and clunk it up, so to speak?
45:40 So I'm interested to see the approach offensively and defensively.
45:44 As you mentioned, their approach worked.
45:48 I think Bill would tell you that their approach worked for the most part earlier this year
45:51 against this team.
45:52 Do they go back to that or do they mix it up like they mixed it up against Buffalo?
45:57 Very interesting game to watch.
45:58 Yeah, I will say the biggest, the biggest, the one thing I wanted to mention, the biggest
46:02 key for the defense and the Patriots did a reasonable job of this in the game, but the
46:08 most important thing against Tua is to take away his primary read.
46:11 When you do that, then he starts to panic and, you know, starts throwing off his back
46:15 foot and pitter pattering and stuff like that.
46:18 So that's the most important thing in this game.
46:20 I think they'll obviously change from what they did the first time.
46:23 Belichick never likes to play somebody the same way twice, but that's the premium when
46:28 you play against Tua.
46:29 Take away his first read.
46:31 Yeah, I think the nine and a half is a little heavy, so I'm leaning with the Patriots to
46:36 cover this and I'd go the over.
46:38 I'd go the over 45 and a half.
46:40 I think both teams could score some points on Sunday.
46:42 All right, BSJ, check them out.
46:44 50 bucks for the year.
46:45 Bedard, Giardi, obviously doing great work with the Patriots.
46:49 Corrales rolling with the Celtics with that win last night against the Knicks at Madison
46:53 Square Garden.
46:54 Hags has joined the crew as well to cover the Bruins, so Joe Haggerty is there as well.
46:59 So check them out.
47:00 One last thing to squeeze in here, Greg, you love the name deflator.
47:04 We're going back to the BSJ member question, which we haven't done in a long time, but
47:09 deflator asks Taekwon Thorn lack of snaps.
47:12 Are they easing him back in?
47:14 Does this tape look bad or is it more of a case of him missing time and being behind
47:17 the eight ball so he needs time to get re-acclimated before they trust him?
47:22 Yeah, I think it's just the lack of practice time.
47:26 When you're a young player, especially a receiver in a complicated offense, you need to be on
47:31 the practice field.
47:32 You need to play games.
47:33 You need that tape.
47:34 You need the teaching points from it.
47:36 You need to earn the quarterback's trust.
47:38 And Taekwon's just missed way too much time.
47:41 And I think the best you can hope for for him this year is to slowly stack success.
47:46 It would be nice at some point here if he hit a shot play.
47:50 I would assume they're going to dial one up for him if he's active and all that stuff
47:56 in one of these games coming up here.
47:58 And you just sort of build from there.
48:01 But I think against the Bills, the way the Bills play with the zone and the two safeties
48:07 that they have who are really smart, I think it was more of a short intermediate game,
48:13 which it was because Mac Jones had the second lowest average depth of target at like 4.3
48:18 yards last week.
48:19 There will be other games against, especially once they play more man-to-man teams.
48:25 And the Dolphins don't really do that.
48:27 But against man-to-man teams, they're going to need more speed on the field and somebody
48:31 who can just take somebody and go and beat somebody.
48:34 And they don't have enough of those guys.
48:37 So he's not much of a zone guy.
48:39 Look for him more against man teams, but you just want to slowly build him up.
48:44 He's missed too much time.
48:45 He needs to practice.
48:46 He needs to play.
48:47 He's Greg.
48:48 I'm Nick.
48:49 Back next week, recap this game.
48:51 Peace.
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