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00:00 Welcome back in everyone to another live edition of the Patriots Beat podcast right here on
00:05 the CLNS media network.
00:08 Brian Hines from Pat's Pulpit here as always with Alex Barth from 98.5 The Sports Hub.
00:13 And Alex, my guy Drake May looked pretty good Saturday against Syracuse.
00:19 So I don't know if you caught that game.
00:21 Quinn Ewers did not against Oklahoma.
00:25 But yeah, that's where we're kind of at with the Patriots right now because if you thought
00:30 the embarrassing loss to Dallas last week, if you might have wrote that off as kind of
00:36 a one week thing, you know, some teams they come out flat like look at Dallas last night
00:41 against good team on the road.
00:43 But it was not that because the Patriots got skunked, embarrassed, whatever you want to
00:49 call it against the Raiders at home yesterday 34 nothing.
00:55 It was bad.
00:56 It was embarrassing.
00:57 Any stat statistic metric you want to look at their dead last offensively, they can't
01:02 move the football.
01:04 They haven't had a touchdown drive since Farrow Browns touchdown against the Jets, which I
01:09 believe was 33 drives ago.
01:12 So if you thought last week was rock bottom, it looks like this is in fact rock bottom
01:17 right now.
01:18 I would excuse me.
01:21 I'm even a little hesitant to call it that because you know that clip from we have 12
01:26 weeks left since movie that clip from the Simpsons movie, right?
01:29 Where Bart has to skateboard naked at Krusty Burger and Homer comes and pick him up and
01:35 he goes, Bart goes, this is the worst day of my life.
01:37 And Homer goes, this is the worst day of your life so far.
01:41 And boy, it says this does this kind of feel like that?
01:46 You know, like you said, the Cowboys game.
01:48 I mean, you come out, you play a bad game against the talent, the team.
01:51 It happens.
01:52 I said that last week.
01:53 It's not an excuse for it or anything, but it does happen.
01:57 This was the worst home loss under Bill Belichick.
02:02 It was the second shutout at home, but the first one, they only had one quarterback on
02:07 the roster and he had a broken thumb.
02:09 That was the Jacoby Berset start the last game before Brady came back.
02:12 So for that was a 16, nothing game.
02:15 So for all intents and purposes, like the first real shutout at home under Bill Belichick,
02:20 I don't know how you from Bill's point of view, you had the worst loss of your career.
02:29 And then for the team to look as unprepared as they did coming off of that, they fight
02:36 back, fight back.
02:38 We're all sitting here talking about how Bill's washed fight back.
02:42 Tell it, show, show a reason why he's not like he needs to show a reason why he's not.
02:47 And that was just to get whooped away.
02:50 They didn't Dallas and come out.
02:52 This was the response.
02:55 It's like they're not even playing for pride at this point.
02:57 And it starts from the top down.
02:58 It starts from Bill down because it's his job to get the team ready.
03:02 And that you tell me, was that team ready?
03:04 Because I don't think it was.
03:05 They did not look ready by any stretch of the imagination.
03:09 Yeah.
03:10 And like even going back to the Dallas game, you could say there were some like some positives
03:15 early, like those first two drives, right?
03:17 I failed Tush push.
03:18 They were moving the football pretty well.
03:21 Like Mac had a few good throws to Hunter Henry, the drive starter.
03:25 Then he hit the Mario Douglas out of structure.
03:26 So there were some, some positives you might've taken away from that, even though most of
03:30 it was pretty gross.
03:32 But like, yeah, yesterday it was just flat, no energy.
03:35 They, they didn't look ready to go offensively or defensively.
03:39 Like even if they had Matthew Gion and Christian Gonzalez, like that defense was getting blown
03:44 off the ball in the run game.
03:45 They were missing tackles in the secondary.
03:47 Like it wasn't good all around.
03:48 And it, it's just bad vibes on that team, right?
03:53 Like the energy is just low.
03:55 And I get like when you're a good team and winning, that's where a lot of your energy
03:58 comes from.
03:59 But they just, they look like a team that they know they have to do every little thing
04:03 perfectly to win a game.
04:05 And they just know that isn't really possible.
04:08 And they just, they're playing like that too.
04:11 Yeah.
04:12 It's just, it's, it's all bad.
04:14 It's all snowballing.
04:15 Yup.
04:16 So I don't know, do you want to talk about Bill or Mac first?
04:22 Like what, what direction do you want to go there?
04:25 I kind of said my piece on Bill.
04:27 I just, I, or are you talking about like long-term?
04:30 I guess long-term.
04:31 Yeah.
04:32 I don't see how you keep them after this.
04:37 If this is going to continue to trend this way, cause let me ask you this, Brian, do
04:40 you have any faith that it's going to look any better next week against Vegas?
04:44 No.
04:45 Right.
04:46 So I, I don't know that they'll fire him in season.
04:51 I think there are some benefits to doing so mainly Gerard Mayo would likely be the interim
04:55 and you get to see what he looks like as a head coach.
04:58 I just don't, it all comes back to roster talent.
05:02 Yeah.
05:03 And like I said, like Bill didn't have the team ready.
05:07 They, you can, Bill not having the team ready was the issue last week.
05:15 The overarching problem with the season, and this is not a hot take at this point, they
05:21 don't have talent.
05:23 They simply did.
05:24 They never had talent on the offensive side of the ball.
05:27 And the defensive talent is now thinning out.
05:30 You saw just how bad I think Matthew Juneau's injury specifically.
05:33 He really showed up in that game.
05:37 Who's the guy that put it together?
05:40 You have to look at that and we can get into Mack Jones comments about, you know, you can't
05:46 make garbage taste good no matter how good of a cook you are.
05:50 He hasn't been a great cook, but I agree with his premise.
05:53 It's hard to look at Brock Purdy last night.
05:56 Brock Purdy was the last pick in the draft and there was a reason Brock Purdy was the
05:59 last pick in the draft.
06:01 Some of his college highlights are going around today.
06:04 The one where he bats the ball.
06:06 Yeah.
06:07 It throws the backwards interception saying, wow, look how far this guy's coming.
06:09 Brock Purdy's put in a ton of work.
06:11 This is not to minimize what Brock Purdy's done, but you know what helps a quarterback
06:15 develop?
06:17 Putting talent around in the Niners have done a great job of allowing Brock Purdy to maximize
06:22 what he does best.
06:23 Brian, what is the last positive personnel move the Patriots made?
06:28 And I'm not counting like Ezekiel Elliott making the best of a bad situation.
06:32 Like when's the last time we added a plan where like, boom, yes, the offense is better
06:36 now, like significantly better.
06:43 I don't know how many all I did.
06:46 How many times have they tried to make such an acquisition?
06:50 Oh, a lot.
06:51 I mean, is it a lot?
06:53 Well is it a lot of the last three years they drafted Taekwon in the second round?
06:56 The whole all they threw a lot of money around, you know, Hunter Henry, Nelson Aguilar.
07:02 That's 2021.
07:04 That's three years ago.
07:06 I would argue the last good offensive move they made was drafting Matt Jones and that's
07:10 going to drive people wild.
07:12 But I'm sorry, they needed a quarterback was the right pick at the time.
07:15 If you want to say drafting Ramond Ray Stevenson, fine.
07:17 That was 40 hours later.
07:21 They signed Hunter Henry before those guys.
07:23 Remember that happened in March drafts in April, right?
07:25 And I under Henry great signing nothing against that.
07:28 What have they done since to invest in the offense?
07:31 They drafted Taekwon second round.
07:32 That didn't work.
07:33 They've made zero premium additions to tackle.
07:36 They traded for Devante Parker and that's it.
07:39 When you look at what the other quarterbacks in that in max draft and the previous draft
07:42 have gotten to a got Tyree killing Jalen Waddle.
07:45 Jalen hurts got AJ Brown.
07:49 They went out and got Zach Wilson, Garrett Wilson, and I mean, they didn't get him out
07:52 on those are, but you know what I mean?
07:53 They built talent there.
07:55 Herbert already walked into stack receivers and then got Quentin Johnson.
07:59 They went out.
08:00 The Jags got Trevor Lawrence, Calvin Ridley, the bears.
08:04 It didn't work, but they tried with Chase Claypool.
08:06 DJ Moore to oh, and DJ Moore.
08:09 Thank you very much.
08:10 And DJ Moore.
08:11 I mean, the Niners are already stag and then they went out, got Christian McCaffrey.
08:14 So like this is where I'm at with Bill.
08:19 Is it going to be any different if he sticks around because they can replace Mac and they
08:25 probably have to replace Mac at this point.
08:27 I think the clocks are out on that, but if you're going to do the same thing with the
08:33 next guy, what's the point?
08:36 You're going to waste him.
08:37 We're going to be right back in this spot, whether it be in a year and two years in three
08:41 years, we're going to be right back in this spot.
08:44 Yeah, that's like he always talked about 2020 as kind of like this reset year.
08:49 Right.
08:50 Like that covid year after Brady.
08:51 And then after that, he like everything was laid out perfectly where he takes his pick
08:56 as a first round quarterback.
08:58 He spends all this money in free agency and then all the personnel moves, as you just
09:03 kind of summarize from that point on, have just been duds like they haven't worked.
09:08 Coaching decisions, too, is another part of that.
09:10 And now you're looking like you're going to enter a second, like a second chance at that.
09:15 Right.
09:16 Like you might have a top 10 pick.
09:18 They have boatloads of cap space every year because they don't have anyone to pay.
09:23 Right.
09:24 Like they have so much money now.
09:25 So are you going to trust Bill to kind of run this back and give him a second chance
09:29 at it?
09:30 I don't know how you can look at what he's done these last three years and trust him to
09:34 run it back again.
09:36 Right, exactly.
09:37 And that's kind of whether he finished out, finishes out the season at this point is inconsequential.
09:44 I shouldn't say inconsequential, but.
09:49 If this is who the team is.
09:51 What does it matter?
09:55 Right.
09:56 It's more about how do they dig out of this and is Bill the right guy to dig them out
09:59 of this?
10:00 Yeah.
10:01 And I don't know where you like.
10:03 Do you think he can still coach?
10:05 Because I know like that's a big part of it.
10:08 So that was the thing last year.
10:09 Like I think he stole them some games last year.
10:11 And you go back to Cam Newton here, the fact that he got seven wins out of that team, that
10:15 team didn't have a ton of talent.
10:16 That team might've had less talent than this team.
10:19 But that, I mean, it made sense.
10:21 They were tearing down the roster post Brady.
10:22 They had to do that.
10:23 That was supposed to jumpstart the reset.
10:27 I don't know now.
10:28 I mean, it, it hasn't been good.
10:30 There's the end game coaching, the decisions you go back to that punt, not challenging
10:34 that Kyle Duggar pick.
10:35 And I know it's 24, nothing, but again, try show some fight.
10:39 I was a pick.
10:41 It has on the GM side has been an issue for a couple of years now.
10:47 This is as bad as the coaching side is.
10:49 Look.
10:50 Yeah.
10:51 Yeah.
10:52 And maybe like, I still think he's like a top half coach in the league or whatever,
10:56 but maybe he's not the right coach for this team going forward, the direction of this
11:00 team going forward.
11:02 Cause again, they, they look flat and some of that is, can be traced back to the coach.
11:07 Maybe if his message isn't getting home or whatever, but I think you have to kind of
11:11 start with, with the GM duties.
11:12 Like he, he can't be trusted to go forward with that role anymore.
11:16 Then maybe if you strip that he's not even interested in sticking around and coaching
11:20 anymore.
11:21 And I mean, you got guys like Julian Edelman on the herd today, even coming out and saying
11:26 like, I hate to do this to coach, but like he's whiffed on the offense.
11:30 And we heard to have a McCordie last night, Sunday night football broadcasts.
11:34 They like, this isn't getting any better.
11:36 Like new England top five pick shout out Devin McCordie for retiring when he did too.
11:40 He must've saw this coming smart man right there.
11:43 But so I, again, to go, to go back to it too, when they drafted Mack Jones and they had,
11:50 as I said, they tore the roster down, they had multiple needs that year.
11:53 And this is cancerous enough, not defensive Mac, just using it for the timeline.
11:58 Their tackles were Trent Brown on a one-year deal.
12:03 Isaiah win in the final concrete year of his rookie contract.
12:08 Justin her on Yanni could just, we knew they needed to tag.
12:12 They, we knew that he attacked.
12:13 I was all right.
12:14 You can't add everything in one year.
12:15 You're going to build on this.
12:17 What have they done to add a tackle since then?
12:20 They drafted Andrew Stuber in the seventh round.
12:23 They drafted a guard in city.
12:25 So and tried to move them out there.
12:27 They signed a 34 year old Riley reef and Calvin Anderson.
12:30 Who's just been a backup his whole career.
12:35 You can't look at that and say that the position was properly addressed into not address a
12:40 position that crucial for three years is just kind of mind blown to, I don't know whether
12:49 they didn't recognize it as a need or build trusted Matt, Patricia and Adrian Clem is
12:54 offensive line coaches to fix it.
12:56 I think we seriously have it.
12:59 This is not necessarily a conversation to have today, but maybe at the end of the year,
13:02 whenever it is that bill walks away, Dante Skarniecki his departure never got nearly
13:08 enough attention because he, they would just draft Lyman in the fifth, sixth, seventh round
13:14 every year and turn them into players.
13:16 And they, they can't do that right now.
13:18 Obviously it's just, and there's other wide receiver, Julian Edelman left.
13:23 They never really had a concrete plan to replace him.
13:25 Jacoby Myers sort of worked out and then they let him walk and bring in Juju Smith.
13:31 Juju hasn't been good.
13:33 Um, they, they let Shaq Mason walk.
13:36 They did have a plan to bring them to replace him, but that was drafting a guard in the
13:40 first round when they had other more pressing needs.
13:44 It's just, it's, it's, I don't know.
13:47 I look at it all and I say, can, can bill build this roster back up?
13:51 Cause he'd never really built it back up from 2020 and not on the offensive side of the
13:56 ball.
13:57 He's now defensively is a little different.
13:58 They, you know, Matthew Jude on was a great signing.
14:01 They've made some good draft picks on that side of the ball.
14:03 Kyle Duggar, Christian Gonzalez, Christian Barmore, Keon way.
14:06 Like they've got players over there.
14:07 So that's a little different, but you need both sides of the ball.
14:11 That's just the reality of it.
14:13 Yup.
14:14 So you know what, what the offensive line, like Mac is running for his life.
14:20 The, like the last three games are the highest pressure percent out of any of his games in
14:24 his career.
14:25 So back to, you know, we can talk about that little, like, you know, to be a good cook,
14:30 you can't cook with garbage and like, he's not in a good situation.
14:34 We get that.
14:35 And that's like, I was tweeting, I tweeted a Drake May clip yesterday and someone was
14:39 like, Oh, if he's in this offense, it's still going to be the same.
14:42 Like obviously they need to improve the skill around the quarterback.
14:48 But I think you're also at a point with Mac where it's just beyond repair, like his internal
14:54 clock seems just broken.
14:57 His footwork that we talked a lot about last week is just bad.
15:01 He's fading away on all these passes.
15:03 And I think it's just gotten to a point where like, even though he's on a rookie contract
15:08 for another year, like I don't think he's going to be in the plans here moving forward.
15:14 And maybe not even the rest of this year.
15:16 You know, we heard Schefter on Pat McAfee show said the offense will look different
15:21 and Vegas next week didn't really explain more.
15:25 Bill did say Mac would start next week, but again against Vegas, but Mac just looks like
15:31 to the point where like you got to move on and you got to kind of start this thing fresh,
15:35 even though he hasn't been in the best situation.
15:37 Yeah.
15:38 Yeah.
15:39 And Mike Reese put out a column about, you know, what are their options at quarterback?
15:42 And he kind of led with potentially benching Mac Jones also floats the idea of a trade.
15:47 He named Brian Tannehill, Kirk Cousins and Brian Hoyer.
15:50 I don't know the trading for a veteran quarterback, especially guy on an expiring contract is
15:54 the answer right now in terms of the, at least Tannehill and cousins.
16:00 I don't know what that does.
16:02 Yeah.
16:03 Cause I, you're not making the playoffs from running for it with the rest of their schedule.
16:07 You're just not like, I don't trying to salvage it.
16:09 I would hate to see them move future assets to try to salvage the season.
16:13 Cause like you say, whoever it is, it's Kirk Cousins, Brian Tannehill, whoever Bailey's
16:18 happy, they're still behind this offensive line.
16:20 This is still the group they're trying to throw to.
16:24 It's not going to be enough.
16:25 It's just not going to be enough.
16:26 The kind of quarterback that could fix this is not becoming available.
16:28 Yeah.
16:29 Yep.
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17:26 So I guess we could talk some people, a lot of talk in the chat here about some college
17:38 quarterbacks.
17:39 I mean, I've seen Mac, I mean these four, Caleb Williams, Drake May, JJ McCarthy, Michael
17:45 Penix kind of like the top four guys right now.
17:48 Patriots are picking fifth currently.
17:52 Looks like Williams and May will be one, two, or if the bears have like the first two picks,
17:57 may might be third.
17:58 But if the Patriots are like outside of that top area, like are you still going quarterback
18:04 there with all these roster needs?
18:06 Is it like, let's get an offensive tackle with the fifth, sixth pick, maybe get one
18:11 of these veteran quarterbacks or Jacoby Brissett, the guy for a year and build your roster out
18:16 like there and then address the quarterback that may be the 2025 draft.
18:22 I think so.
18:23 Like how far off are they?
18:25 Right.
18:26 I think if you have a chance to add a great quarterback, you do that, especially because
18:31 next year's class, the 2025 class, I should say, just there's really not much there.
18:36 In terms of the quarterback position, you don't want to be in the spot where you've
18:39 built the whole thing to draft a quarterback and not one's not available.
18:42 I think if you have a chance to get one, you have to get one.
18:44 I, I, I think Caleb Williams is tier one.
18:47 I still put Penix and Drake May together in tier two.
18:50 I do.
18:51 I really like Michael Penix.
18:52 I like what he brings.
18:53 Um, I think he's a very modern quarterback.
18:56 Um, I'm a little shaken by Quinn Ewer's performance against Oklahoma.
19:00 I won't lie.
19:01 That drops him a bit for me.
19:02 I thought that was a game he needed to show up and then we'll, we'll see what happens
19:05 this Saturday between Bo Nix and Michael Penix.
19:08 The big knock on Bo Nix is he can't win on the road.
19:10 So if he goes into Washington and beats a good Huskies team, you know, he's checked
19:15 a lot of boxes this year.
19:16 He's come a long way from the player he was at Auburn.
19:18 So winning that game, I think would do a lot for him.
19:21 I'm not super big on JJ McCarthy.
19:24 I think he's a good college quarterback, but that's what he is.
19:26 He's a college quarterback that Michigan offense is not super similar to what he'll run in
19:32 the NFL.
19:33 He doesn't have to do that much.
19:35 Um, I, he does have some mobility, but I, it's an offense that's built to run the ball.
19:41 And I think that, that, that helps.
19:44 He's a little Mack Jones-ish in the makeup and that a lot of the concerns people had
19:47 about Mac about, you know, all he's done is one and he's done it with talent around him.
19:51 I'm just, he's done it himself.
19:53 Yeah.
19:54 I don't love JJ McCarthy at that point.
19:56 I look a little further down.
19:58 We've got like KJ Jefferson, Travis, uh, Jordan, Travis, Jane Daniels, like those sorts of
20:02 players, Joe Milton, even, but I, that's might be another level after that.
20:07 Um, but yeah, I don't, I change.
20:11 There's been a lot of love for JJ McCarthy.
20:13 I honestly can't tell you where that's coming from.
20:15 Uh, other than maybe just people being Michigan football fans or seeing Michigan and no look
20:20 is Brady.
20:22 Um, that team runs the ball as much as any in the nation.
20:26 They they've been that way for a long time.
20:31 They averaged 219 passing yards per game last year.
20:34 They ran for two 38.
20:36 You're just not going to be, you're not going to be able to run that kind of offense in
20:39 the NFL.
20:40 So, and, and let me say, there's a caveat on all of this.
20:45 That is, there's more games to be played and we're going to learn a lot more about these
20:48 guys.
20:49 So this is all subject to change, but that's where I'm at.
20:51 That's where like, and yeah, I just, I am working under the assumption.
20:55 I believe Dionne when he says shitter is going back in 2025, I was thinking there's a chance
20:59 shitter is the first overall pick in 2025 and Patriots may be bad this year.
21:03 You should not be picking that high two years in a row.
21:05 That just, that can't be your plan.
21:07 Yup.
21:08 That's where I kind of am.
21:09 Like if you identify one of these guys as like, can't miss, you have to take them.
21:13 But if you do maybe get some wins and you fall in that six to 10 range, like you could
21:19 be looking at one of these really good offensive tackles.
21:21 So so Williams may yours panics are the guys I would take if they're on the board.
21:29 I like some of what I've seen from Bonics.
21:33 I'll take my shot on one of the day two guys at that point.
21:36 Too late to Jalen hurts thing.
21:37 Like I said, I don't love JJ McCarthy.
21:39 I don't love Riley Leonard, Spencer, Rattler, cam ward.
21:43 Like it's, it's those four at the top.
21:47 Yeah.
21:48 It's it's Williams.
21:49 You were as may panics.
21:51 Anything short of that.
21:52 If those guys are gone, I would assume Marvin Harris is going to be gone, but that's where
21:56 you're looking at a guy like a Mecca Buka from Ohio state.
22:00 You start talking about whichever one of the tackles falls, whether it's Olu Fashanu from
22:04 Penn state, Joe Alt from Notre Dame, JC Latham.
22:07 Those would kind of be the other two.
22:09 You're looking at probably a wide receiver and tackle.
22:11 And in those two spots, maybe, maybe if a guy like Jared verse is on the board and it,
22:20 you know, Josh UJ leaves, but I think it, it would be tough to, to use the, I only say
22:25 that because Jared versus that good, I think it would be really hard to justify using the
22:28 first pick on defense at all.
22:31 Jared verse Dallas Turner, probably the only two ways you can do that.
22:34 And even then it's like, all right, it was, was a Buka also gone and the tackles were
22:39 gone and like, yeah.
22:40 Like edge could be a need here depending on who chain Jude on is going to be 32 coming
22:46 off this bicep injury, but like you got to put these top investments into the offense
22:51 at this point.
22:52 I mean, you just took Keon white, they're kind of that a similar mold there and the
22:57 second round last year.
22:58 But so yeah, like if you identify one of those quarterbacks in the top 10 there that you
23:04 think like, that's the guy who can't miss on him, you have to take them there.
23:07 But we heard Bill say yesterday, like we're going to start over starting over in October
23:13 is are they going to be in range?
23:15 You think like, well, they finished in the top five or do you think there's a path to
23:19 get some wins here and kind of kick them back to that maybe double or early double digit
23:25 range and what do you think that starting over process even consist of at this point
23:29 in the year?
23:30 I don't know.
23:32 And it would be nice if we knew when Bill was referencing, like they started over, obviously
23:36 we're not going to get that.
23:37 I mean, they started one of three last few years, probably the depth chart I would think
23:43 and just, you know, you go in and you basically go like it is a training camp and everybody's
23:47 competing for their job and what is the offensive line going to look like?
23:49 We, and we already talked about quarterback, right?
23:52 Is if you start them from even footing, can Bailey's appy out pace Mac Jones, which he
23:57 probably is a better chance now, because we talked about this back in the summer, the
24:01 way Bailey's appy was beating out Mac Jones for the quarterback job was more than just
24:04 Bailey's appy playing well, Mac Jones was going to have to come back to him.
24:07 And he's certainly done that now that he's sped up, um, you know, things like that.
24:12 Maybe it's evaluating, uh, the, the installation process itself.
24:16 It can mean so many things.
24:17 None of them good though.
24:18 None of them good.
24:20 I don't know that you're going to dig yourself out of a top 10 pick, like top five.
24:25 Could they sneak a couple of wins in down the stretch here?
24:27 I mean, they still got Washington who just lost to the bears.
24:30 They're going to play the Colts.
24:31 It seems like without Anthony Richardson, who was a shoulder spray now.
24:34 So there's a couple of wins.
24:35 Now you're at three.
24:36 You got the jets in the last week of the season.
24:38 That's four.
24:39 Um, you know, can they in Pittsburgh's bad.
24:41 So now you're at five.
24:44 Is that going to get you top five, pick five wins?
24:46 It might put you just outside of that.
24:49 So I mean, they, they could fall out of that range.
24:51 They absolutely could.
24:54 Um, but I don't, I don't think starting over is going to suddenly turn them into like an
24:58 eight or nine win team.
24:59 Cause again, the, the talent level is what it is.
25:01 Yeah.
25:02 The talent level is what it is.
25:04 That's just the plain and simple of it.
25:06 Yeah.
25:07 Um, I just blanked on what I was going to say, but yeah, starting over, uh, like the
25:12 big, big ones, big games for draft stock will be like the giants, the Broncos, the jets
25:18 probably late in the year, but yeah, like the starting over Mac or Zappy will obviously
25:24 be a big, big part of this.
25:25 You know, there were the reports on Sunday that Zappy saw more first team reps in practice,
25:32 but I mean, when he came in, like he was, he over had two really bad misfires to Henry
25:37 and Kendrick Bourne.
25:38 So I'd say the only thing he really gives you there is his internal clock probably isn't
25:43 shattered like max.
25:44 Maybe he can just deal with this pressure a little bit better.
25:48 And then, you know, I thought Riley reef was better than anything they had on the offensive
25:54 line.
25:55 So maybe you kick him the right tackle, but now you have Michael and when new who left
26:00 the game with a ankle injury, we still haven't seen Cole strange in a while with that, that
26:04 knee injury.
26:05 So like there, there's still question marks all on the offensive line.
26:10 They're still can't run the football.
26:12 Like they didn't even feel confident with the Tush push this week.
26:15 They had a fake it.
26:16 They couldn't even get that.
26:18 I know you had all the stats on their third and one or third and shorts.
26:21 They're just not even attempting to run the football.
26:23 So like they, they could have a lot of change on the depth chart.
26:28 Another one at receiver, like Juju and the Mario Douglas had head injuries.
26:32 So you're probably not going to see them this week based off how the concussion protocol
26:36 has worked the last few years.
26:38 So get maybe some more case on booty in here next week, but like, so they can make all
26:44 these moves on the depth chart, but where's that going to bring you in the long run?
26:50 Probably just not that many more wins, especially with Buffalo, Miami, all these tough teams
26:55 coming up.
26:56 Right, exactly.
26:57 Yeah.
26:58 So if you do kind of bottom out, how you look in trade deadline here, you know, Kendrick
27:04 Bourne contract year, you have the younger, like Josh Uche, Kyle Duggar, are you fielding
27:10 calls on all these guys or, you know, is the guy like Doug or someone you're still looking
27:14 to extend here, but how are you kind of handling this trade deadline if you get there and you're
27:20 two and six, I don't know the exact week, but.
27:23 So it would be, they have three games between now and then it's the Raiders.
27:27 The dolphins in the bills.
27:28 So best case, best case.
27:29 And that's assuming you sweep all three of those games here, four and four.
27:32 And look, if you beat the dolphins in the bills and back to back weeks, maybe you don't
27:36 sell, but there's six guys I look at as like potential trade candidates.
27:42 And there's one, I don't that I think some people are expecting.
27:44 I'll explain that at the end.
27:45 Kendrick Bourne, Kendrick Bourne's guy, you can move and you look at some of the deals
27:50 last year.
27:51 Tony went for third and a fifth.
27:54 Calvin Ridley, who was suspended, went for a second.
27:58 Chase Claypool before he totally lost his mind, like had numbers comparable to Bourne's
28:03 at about this point.
28:05 He went for a second.
28:07 I think you can get a top 100 pick for Kendrick Bourne.
28:09 I think you can.
28:10 You have maybe one in a six for a third, something like that, but I think you can get a top 100
28:16 pick for him.
28:17 Hunter Henry is another guy that's continued to play well with it all falling apart around
28:22 him.
28:23 The only tight end trade last year was TJ Hawkinson and that's very different.
28:29 Maybe you get a third for Henry.
28:30 I think he's probably in that third, fourth range.
28:33 What doesn't help is you can't.
28:36 Most of the top teams don't need a tight end.
28:39 You think about the top teams in the league, the chiefs are obviously set.
28:43 They've got Mr. Taylor Swift.
28:46 You've got the dolphins don't really use tight end, so that's it.
28:49 You're probably not going to trade them in the debate.
28:50 You're not going to make it.
28:51 Maybe they trade you to Vontae Parker, so maybe the dolphins.
28:53 Who's the bangles tight end?
28:55 Are they?
28:56 Is that one in three?
28:57 I don't know what the bangles are buying.
28:58 Yeah, I don't know what the bangles are buying.
29:00 I don't think they're going to roll over, but the Eagles obviously have good tight ends.
29:04 The Niners obviously have good tight ends, right?
29:05 The team I look at if 100 is going to move is Dallas.
29:09 I think Dallas is very logical fit for him.
29:13 Trent Brown is another guy.
29:14 I think you can move.
29:15 I wonder if he started the year good.
29:17 He didn't.
29:18 He did not play well yesterday, but he started the year strong and maybe a team looks at
29:22 that and says, you know, we're a contender.
29:25 Change of scenery might get him going.
29:26 I don't know how much you get for Trent Brown.
29:28 Maybe a fifth, sixth round pick, but it's a fifth, sixth round pick.
29:31 You didn't have before.
29:34 That's him and he's a he's a pending for agent.
29:35 It gives you a chance to maybe play some younger guys, get them experience.
29:39 See what you have.
29:40 Tyrone Wheatley, maybe Andrew Stuber.
29:43 On defense, Josh Uche, edge rushers don't go for a lot.
29:47 Robert Quinn went for a fourth round pick last year, but it's kind of the same thing
29:50 as Trent.
29:51 If you get a fourth rounder for Uche, which feels about right, it's fourth round.
29:55 He didn't have.
29:56 And I don't think he's resigning at this point.
29:58 I think that ship has sailed.
30:00 This is going to surprise a lot of people.
30:03 I think there might be, you might get something if you traded Miles Bryant, who's also on
30:08 an expiring contract.
30:10 He's been one of their better defensive players this year.
30:13 Yeah.
30:14 If you look at it objectively, I don't think you're getting a lot for him.
30:18 It's probably a six or a seven.
30:20 That's a late day three pick.
30:21 But again, it's a pick you didn't have for a player that's going to walk and they shouldn't
30:27 be in position to receive compics this year.
30:29 It's just the reality of it.
30:30 They should be paying free agents.
30:32 And then the last one, the most interesting one is Kyle Dutter because regardless of what
30:39 happens with bill, Kyle Duggar is a player you can build around their defensive talent.
30:47 Still there.
30:48 The defense does not need to be torn down.
30:49 The reality is whoever it is in the off season, bill or somebody else, the defense should
30:53 not be torn down because you need as many of those assets to add players, uh, going
31:02 towards offense as possible.
31:04 So I would love to see them find a way to keep Kyle Duggar to work on a longterm deal
31:08 with him.
31:09 I mean, you know, if somebody, you know, really wants to get stupid and give you like
31:12 a first round pick, I mean, yeah, go ahead.
31:15 But in, in, in terms of second round picks, you're not getting them from the teams that
31:21 are gonna be picking early in the second round.
31:23 I don't know.
31:24 I might do Kyle Duggar for a second.
31:25 I don't know.
31:26 Maybe a second.
31:27 And I would just keep him holding out hope that there's a chance they get a longterm
31:31 deal.
31:32 They could get something for him, but that's a guy you're going to have to use a high draft
31:36 pick basically to replace them.
31:38 So at that point, just keep them because whatever pick you trade them for that picks going to
31:43 a safety.
31:44 The one guy, a lot of people have on their, their trade, um, list that I don't is Michael
31:49 Nguyen who is on expiring contract.
31:53 You're not going to get the value for him.
31:54 He's he hasn't played well.
31:56 He's hurt.
31:57 Guards generally aren't worth that much to begin with.
32:02 You might get a six, four, probably fifth, six, seven, somewhere in there might have
32:05 to be a pick swap.
32:06 Another guy kind of would like to see them sign maybe whoever it is up next, or maybe
32:11 just bill gets his head on straight and just says, let's bring this guy back and play him
32:15 a tackle.
32:16 I don't know.
32:17 I wouldn't rush him out of the building again.
32:20 If somebody wants to give you like a fourth round pick for Michael and whether, yeah,
32:22 you take that all day, but I just, I don't think the offer will be there for him to really
32:29 make it worth trading him at this point.
32:31 Yeah.
32:32 I'd love them to keep Duggar around and, you know, pay him and build around him as
32:38 one of these fundamental pieces.
32:39 But I think Bourne is kind of the most logical one on a one year deal.
32:44 You mentioned how, you know, what pass catchers can get you in the market.
32:48 And I know, you know, we both love Kendrick Bourne.
32:51 We think he's, you know, a really good receiver that hasn't been properly used here correctly
32:57 the last few years.
32:58 But if a team's giving you a top 100 pick for him, like that's something you have to
33:03 take and then you can, you know, you roll out Keishon Booty, Tyquan Thornton gets more
33:09 snaps, Demario Douglas when he returns.
33:12 Maybe that even opens a path for a guy like Jalen Rager to just see what's down there.
33:17 But yeah, I think Kendrick Bourne is a really logical one.
33:20 Hunter Henry is an interesting one because I get he's in the contract year, but I feel
33:26 like he's, you know, he's a captain now and I feel like he could be someone they're looking
33:30 to extend.
33:32 What do you think the odds are he wants to come back?
33:34 So that's a good point now because he seemed pretty down in the dumps obviously yesterday.
33:40 I, I, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't.
33:43 Yeah.
33:44 If there's no extension talk, if there's no talk in the spring, if he's just trying to
33:47 get out of here.
33:48 Yeah.
33:49 And I don't blame him for that, but yeah, not at all.
33:51 That's the guy I think you, I, I think he can maybe get a top 100 pick for him.
33:54 I think you can definitely get a top 150 pick for him.
33:57 You do that while you can.
33:59 I'll bring this one up to, uh, what can you get for Mac Jones?
34:03 I don't think you can.
34:05 I wouldn't trade Mac just cause you're not going to, what good is trading Mac for a seventh
34:10 round pick?
34:11 I'm you know, there's very, very few instances in people who watch the show.
34:15 No, this, I have this day across sports.
34:18 You don't trade a player just for the sake of trading a player.
34:21 There has to be a goal for it.
34:24 And I don't know max at the point quite yet where it's just like, get them off the roster.
34:28 So that would be an off season.
34:30 If you draft Drake may or sign like Jacoby percent or something like you bring him, you
34:37 bring back to camp, you try to put him in some spots where he looks good.
34:41 You wait to see who's quarterback gets hurt in the preseason and then he moved from that.
34:44 You'll get more for him then than you will right now.
34:46 I, I get that caveat of like, if somebody is going to come along and give you a third
34:50 round pick for Mac Jones, take it.
34:53 But I don't know that anybody's giving you anything for Mac Jones right now.
34:55 Yeah.
34:56 What did you trade?
34:57 Would trade Lance go for a fourth?
34:58 Uh, I believe so.
35:00 Yeah.
35:01 I, I don't think you're getting much for it.
35:05 For a seventh round pick, whatever.
35:06 I'll hold onto him essentially.
35:07 He's depth at the position at that point.
35:10 And what about a, one more name?
35:13 Adrian Phillips.
35:14 Oh yeah.
35:15 I, he's on expiring con.
35:17 Yeah.
35:18 Anybody on an expiring contract for the most part, um, I was just kind of going with names
35:22 that are maybe a little more front facing bigger names.
35:24 And I know I put miles Brian on there that I think was just to have some fun myself,
35:29 but yeah.
35:30 Uh, yeah.
35:31 It, if they get a call on Adrian Phillips again, I don't know what you're necessarily
35:34 getting for him.
35:35 Cause he hasn't plain played, but if somebody's comes calling, we'll give you a fifth round
35:41 pick for Adrian Phillips.
35:42 Yeah, sure.
35:43 Why not?
35:44 Why not?
35:45 I'll give you actually one more interesting one while we're on this JC Jackson.
35:51 Let's say he plays well here the next couple of weeks, which he was 50% of the snaps yesterday.
35:57 He'd look pretty good, like back in the Patriots defense.
36:01 So, so part of the reason he had no value before with the charges, one, they had to
36:05 get rid of them.
36:06 They didn't have time to wait to, we had that massive contract that made it harder to move
36:10 them.
36:11 That contract's no longer an issue.
36:13 If he plays well, I don't know what they would.
36:17 I think they liked the idea of maybe having him, you know, having leverage over him to
36:20 renegotiate next year.
36:22 But if he played offensive line, wide receiver corner, those are the three positions teams
36:28 are always going to want at the trade deadline are always going to be overvalued.
36:33 If there's a contender that loses a corner again, maybe Dallas cause they lost, um, they
36:40 lost things a couple of weeks ago.
36:41 Right.
36:42 They put some good tape out there with the Patriots.
36:45 They gave up a six form, right?
36:47 Uh, well, like they got a seventh back.
36:49 They, so, but they gave up a six, right?
36:53 You get a fifth, somebody offers you a fifth for JC Jackson.
36:57 I take, I take that now.
36:58 Yes.
36:59 Put a couple of good games out there.
37:00 Cause he left the chargers on bad terms and he wasn't playing well.
37:03 And I, I don't think this is automatic right now.
37:05 I don't think you're getting that form, but if he comes out, plays a couple of good games
37:09 and he'll have a chance.
37:10 I don't know.
37:11 I think Devante Adams is supposed to play tonight.
37:13 So we'll see if he plays next week.
37:16 And then obviously Miami and Buffalo, like he's going to have a chance against some good
37:19 receivers if he plays well and they're still losing.
37:24 I try to flip them.
37:25 Why not just get all the, keep them next year.
37:28 They can't keep them in a $14 million cap.
37:30 They can't do it.
37:31 Just get all the draft capital.
37:32 You can, right?
37:33 Cause how about this one?
37:34 You may be in that spot where you have to move up a few picks to get a, get whoever
37:39 you want so those picks can be useful down the line.
37:42 Who else?
37:43 So how about this one?
37:46 What can they get for bill Belichick in a trade?
37:50 Nobody's trading for a coach mid seasons.
37:52 It's just not going to happen.
37:54 It's that would be probably the most, the Patriots trading bill Belichick mid season
38:01 would probably be the most surprising event I've ever covered.
38:04 I can now the off season, I don't think it's likely, but maybe like, yeah, I could see
38:11 the path to where that happens in season.
38:15 So the other team is going to have to fire their coach.
38:18 They're also going to have to fire their GM cause bill's going to want to be the GM.
38:22 So now is that GM negotiating the trade?
38:25 That's going to get him fired.
38:26 Or do you have the owner negotiating the trade and who are they negotiating it?
38:30 Is it with bill?
38:31 Cause he's not going to want to give up too much from his new team.
38:34 And then there's also the element of his bill Belichick going to want to take over a team
38:37 in the middle of the season.
38:38 It's probably not a team that's good if they're trading for a coach.
38:42 Yeah.
38:43 They're like logistically.
38:45 I just don't see how it happens.
38:47 We need like Mark Davis and Robert Kraft negotiating a trade.
38:52 If anybody does it, it's Mark Davis.
38:53 I'll give you that one.
38:54 If it does happen, it's probably, he probably wouldn't be able to afford them though.
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38:58 Yeah, you're right.
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40:35 Um, all right.
40:36 So obviously some draft talk over here.
40:40 Thoughts on Xavier Worthy.
40:42 I love speed, so I'm all for it.
40:45 Uh, what might be a weird spot where they're picking?
40:49 Like that might be something he's like late first round project.
40:52 Yeah, he's, he's small.
40:55 He's not a big guy.
40:56 Now I'm not one of these people who says, Oh, he's too small.
40:59 I can't play in the NFL.
41:00 He's 6'1", 172.
41:01 Uh, we're seeing it where, you know, he's basically this year's Zay Flowers.
41:06 And I think Zay Flowers, I think Zay Flowers is a good player.
41:09 I do.
41:11 I think Xavier Worthy is a good player as well.
41:14 I really like him.
41:17 I'm not going to say you don't draft him because of DeMario Douglas.
41:20 That's not what I'm saying.
41:21 If they identify Xavier Worthy as the guy you take him, but I want to see them get that.
41:27 Not like, not this is going to come across as me saying I want Devante Parker.
41:30 I don't, but I think if you hit on Douglas and booty gives you something and then you
41:40 add a guy like Keon Coleman or Johnny Wilson or Romo Dunze, I, I think here's the best
41:48 way to say it.
41:50 I think worthy is very, very, very good at what he does, but I do wonder if he's a little
41:56 bit one dimensional as just kind of a speed receiver.
42:02 There's guys in other guys in this draft in the first round that I think had their games
42:08 are much more well-rounded and that like Xavier Worthy, I think his ceiling is like a top
42:14 number two.
42:15 I think if he's a number one, you have to build your offense in a certain way.
42:18 Whereas if you go out and get a guy like Keon Coleman or Malik neighbors or Romo Dunze,
42:23 these are guys that what do you need them to do?
42:26 They're going to do.
42:27 And obviously Marvin Harrison too.
42:28 Marvin Harrison jr qualifies as those.
42:30 Um, that'd be like, I like the idea of them getting a more complete receiver.
42:34 Like Xavier Worthy is the guy.
42:35 If you have one really good receiver and nobody else, that's the guy.
42:40 Like I'm trying to think of the team, um, that that would fit that.
42:43 I was going to say like if, if T Higgins somehow hits the market and you pay T Higgins leaves,
42:47 right?
42:48 And then you draft worthy as that second guy.
42:51 Right.
42:52 Um, no, again, I think he's really good.
42:53 I think he's a first round pick.
42:54 I think he's a late first round pick.
42:56 I want the guy that he's going to win running routes.
42:59 He's going to win with his speed.
43:00 He's going to win with his size.
43:02 He's going to win with his catch rates, like all of it.
43:03 I think there are guys in this draft that can do that.
43:05 I think Xavier Worthy can win with his speed.
43:07 He can win with his route running.
43:09 I just think there's a chance to get a little more than that too.
43:11 I wouldn't be mad if they took Xavier Worthy.
43:13 He's a good player.
43:14 I can't stress that enough.
43:15 I'm talking about a team that could potentially be picking in the top 10.
43:20 I think they can shoot a little higher than Xavier Worthy.
43:22 This is like last year, right?
43:23 They were picking 15th.
43:26 I would be like, yeah, Xavier Worthy is a real con a guy to have a conversation about.
43:30 I just think right now that's not, they can do it.
43:32 They can, they can shoot a little higher.
43:35 Yup.
43:36 Uh, the main focus here, talk, kale Williams, he is our future.
43:40 I still don't know if there'll be first overall or be willing to trade up the first overall
43:47 if they're not there.
43:49 So, uh, I think the bears having those top two picks makes it so, and I've said this
43:58 before, let's say they do end up somehow first overall and the bears end up two and three.
44:02 What trade it.
44:04 I would trade one for two and three.
44:05 I would take Drake may and Marvin Harrison over just Caleb Williams, especially for the
44:11 spot they're at.
44:12 Um, I would do that all day.
44:14 Yeah.
44:15 So, cause I think, I think Williams of may are really close to start.
44:18 So if you could do that and even add like Marvin Harrison there, like that's a no, no
44:23 brainer to me.
44:24 But um, with, with Williams, there's been a lot of Zach Wilson comparisons because they're
44:33 in that kind of offense in college where it's, you know, he's got all this time, he's not
44:39 under pressure.
44:40 He's just dancing around back there for a lot of, a lot of, you know, a lot of time,
44:43 right.
44:44 And just kind of playing street ball.
44:45 Like you saw Zach Wilson at BYU.
44:47 Now I'll agree there, there's some of that, but I wouldn't necessarily make that comparison.
44:52 Like I think he's obviously a much better player is that's something you're potentially
44:56 worried about with Caleb Williams at all.
44:59 Um, no, it's just, I, cause I've seen him, Zach Wilson never beat good teams.
45:06 Basically.
45:07 That's what it comes down to.
45:08 Caleb Williams is doing this against good teams and I, I'm not too poor.
45:13 I, he's going to be the first overall pick.
45:15 I there's definitely, he's not the perfect prospect.
45:18 I'm not gonna sit here and tell you as he isn't.
45:21 He's as close as you're going to get.
45:23 And no, honestly, Zach Wilson comp for me in this draft is JJ McCarthy.
45:26 Like he's kind of mobile and he plays for a winning team, but on top of those two things,
45:31 like he's going to look real good in shorts and a t-shirt JJ McCarthy, the pads come on.
45:37 I really don't know what he's going to be able to do.
45:39 Yeah.
45:40 That'll be an interesting one.
45:41 Uh, let's see.
45:42 Where else do we got here?
45:43 Um, just a lot of draft talk.
45:44 So you guys want, I guess, um, let me, let me see.
45:45 I'm going to go with the draft.
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46:55 I don't even know who the other top guys are from college ranks because you don't even
46:58 see it anymore.
46:59 What about Jim Harbaugh?
47:01 I don't want Jim Harbaugh.
47:03 I don't want Nick Saban.
47:04 I mean, part of me wants Nick Saban.
47:05 I love Nick Saban, but I don't want Nick Saban.
47:09 Who was the last college coach, Brian, to come to the NFL and have sustained success?
47:14 Oh, man.
47:17 I don't know, honestly.
47:21 We can talk about Urban Meyer.
47:23 We can talk about Matt Rule.
47:25 We can go through all these guys.
47:27 It's probably Harbaugh.
47:33 He went to Super Bowl.
47:34 He was good, but he didn't last.
47:37 Before him, it's probably Pete Carroll coming from USC.
47:42 You're talking about two in the last 30 years.
47:46 I think as much of it, it's as much an off the field thing as it is on the field.
47:49 I just think the type of leader you need to be is so different at the college level than
47:55 in the pros.
47:57 I don't want a college coach.
47:58 I don't.
47:59 I just, I, it's been done.
48:01 It's been Chip Kelly's another one.
48:03 Somebody put Chip Kelly in the comments.
48:05 It's been done.
48:06 I've seen it.
48:07 It doesn't work.
48:08 I, I know a bunch of people are going to get all hot and bothered about Lincoln Riley.
48:14 And some people say Dion.
48:16 Shoulders staying Dion saying shoulders saying, cause he's staying, he's going to see that
48:21 thing out.
48:22 He wants to win national title.
48:23 I don't even think he's in.
48:25 I don't think he's taking NFL calls yet.
48:28 Yet.
48:29 Now when it's sugar, it's time to go to the league to set change.
48:32 Maybe I don't think I think Dion's locked in a Colorado for at least another year.
48:36 I hope honestly, I hope he is just cause I think it would be cool to see him, you know,
48:40 finish out what he started.
48:41 I think, you know, leaving after one year would be on fault and Ford it gets paid.
48:45 He gets a payday, but I kind of want to see that thing play out.
48:49 Don't you?
48:50 I think we all do just as fans of the game, what it looks like.
48:53 And I think Dion would too.
48:54 I think he's a guy that's going to finish what he started.
48:57 Yeah.
48:58 I think Mayo would be a good coach, but there is something enticing, especially if you're
49:01 bringing in one of these new young quarterbacks to bring in an offensive mind with him.
49:07 And you know, we talked about just like the bad vibes with this organization earlier,
49:12 just kind of maybe start fresh completely like coach quarterback, throw the uniforms
49:18 in the trash and start new on those again to those contribute to the bad vibes like
49:23 so that's why I would kind of be interesting to see Mayo get this maybe a 10 game trial
49:28 here and see how the locker room responds to him and the team responds to him and kind
49:33 of base it off that.
49:34 So that would be interesting.
49:36 But kind of building off that, the GM candidates, because you'd assume if it is like Mayo, they
49:44 might keep Matt Groh around, kind of keep that familiarity.
49:48 And I think we are both on the same page that Matt Groh kind of deserves a shot and seems
49:54 like he'd be good in that role.
49:55 But are you looking at anyone else in that GM role or any other ideas there that kind
50:02 of cross your mind besides Groh?
50:05 Um, just go with somebody from Miami or San Francisco.
50:09 I don't know.
50:10 I'd like to see Groh get a shot.
50:11 I think that I don't know that Groh agrees with everything they've done personnel wise.
50:17 I mean, I thought his comments about wide receivers this summer were very interesting.
50:23 I'd like to see him get a shot.
50:24 If not, yeah, just go get somebody from Miami or San Francisco because those teams are just
50:28 bringing in talent by the truckload.
50:29 I mean, they're just, they can't miss when it comes to the personnel stuff and to steal,
50:34 I guess maybe Philly, Philly too.
50:36 I throw Philly in that.
50:37 And the Steelers wide receiver coaches, right?
50:39 Yeah, exactly.
50:40 Yeah, exactly.
50:41 Well, I guess so if it's, cause I think Ben Johnson was in San Francisco, right?
50:47 Isn't he Shanahan tree?
50:49 I believe so.
50:50 If it's Ben Johnson, maybe you go get somebody from San Francisco.
50:53 If it's the enemy, maybe like there, even though the GM, we kind of think of as the
50:57 boss of the head coach or whatever, right?
51:00 The coach kind of needs to pick his GM as much as the GM needs to pick the coach.
51:05 It, that's a tougher one to answer.
51:07 Cause I think you hire a coach before you hire a GM and who the coach is, is going to
51:13 dictate a lot of who the GM is.
51:17 Yep.
51:18 Just like someone asked if Bill O'Brien leaves, who would be the OC?
51:24 Like that's again, it depends who the head coach is.
51:28 Yeah, Josh McDaniel.
51:31 No, it's, it's, it's way too soon to answer that question.
51:35 Unless, I mean, I guess maybe if he means like if Bill O'Brien leaves mid season, um,
51:43 I'd probably give Adrian Clements shot just cause he's coordinated before he was the run
51:46 game coordinator at Oregon and they interviewed him for that job and they interviewed him
51:50 for that job.
51:51 So I don't know that he's the right person.
51:54 He's probably the best option they would have.
51:57 I would think maybe Troy Brown just cause he's been around so long.
52:00 Those would be the two guys I would look at.
52:03 Well speaking of Troy Brown and someone mentioned it here, how do you think he's doing?
52:08 Cause his receivers have not been great the last few years with, you know, last year there
52:15 was all the massive spacing and route details and this year like the operations look cleaner,
52:22 but his guys still aren't getting open.
52:23 Do you think this is all just personnel or are you putting some of that blame on Troy
52:28 Brown who was a fantastic player here obviously, but maybe he's not the best coach for that
52:34 wide receiver room.
52:35 Uh, yeah, I mean, I think you, you put it well, it's just the results haven't been there.
52:41 Yeah.
52:42 And then one more going forward this year, the one everyone wants to know any shot from
52:51 Malik packages.
52:52 I mean, we gotta be close to it, right?
52:55 Try it.
52:56 Why not?
52:57 I was at us talking to somebody and we were walking out of the game the other day and
53:00 somebody was like, well, this is will Greer get a start this year.
53:02 And I was like, well, does will Greer get one before Malik Cunningham?
53:06 I wouldn't, why not?
53:07 I wouldn't hate seeing him.
53:09 Let's let's see.
53:10 I'm not saying start them, but yeah, elevate him for a game.
53:13 Have like five, 10 plays in the playbook and see what it looks like.
53:15 Why not?
53:16 Yeah.
53:17 Yeah.
53:18 I don't think they're going to start him.
53:19 I don't think they're going to start him.
53:20 I don't think they're going to start him.
53:21 But yeah, like we saw them kind of tinker with that package where he just comes in for
53:24 a player to hear short yard situation or, you know, plays in the red zone.
53:30 And, you know, they did that throughout training camp, obviously the preseason drive against
53:33 Houston.
53:34 So look like it can't get much worse and you need a spark or something to run the ball
53:41 or make something happen.
53:43 So it would be worth a shot just to kind of kind of see what happens.
53:47 Maybe not as a full time, full time starter, but just getting getting that look on the
53:51 field to see what you got there would be would be pretty intriguing.
53:56 Right.
53:57 So any other else, anything else you see in there or have thoughts on or we can kind of
54:05 wrap it up, get on our way here?
54:08 I don't know, man.
54:10 Yeah, I think that's pretty much it.
54:13 To bury the ball games in a row.
54:15 This is where we are.
54:16 I don't blame anybody if they're looking towards the draft.
54:20 I guess you try to look for for pauses from here, like long term.
54:23 I was going to say, like, can Mario Douglas continue to play well?
54:26 But now, you know, I looked like he had a concussion in the last game.
54:29 So, yeah, it's getting grim.
54:32 It's getting grim.
54:33 But the show goes on as the Patriots go on.
54:36 They have a game out in Vegas again.
54:39 Surely nothing bad would happen to this team out in Vegas.
54:42 Right.
54:43 Certainly bad has happened there.
54:46 But Alex and I will be back to break that game down, preview that game on Thursday.
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55:09 Thank you all as always for tuning in and we'll see you guys later this week.